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Greg Schiano is a tool (1 Viewer)
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Buck Bradcanon
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Buck Bradcanon
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unckeyherb
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He pulled some bush-league move where the D-Line shifted in unison and all called out the cadence at the same time to try and draw an offsides from the FG unit. Which is not legal in the NFL..Link
RUSF18
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Yeah I'd like an update too. I was still celebrating the currently 7-0 Rutgers team he left when TB played yesterday.
GregR
Footballguy
Thanks for the link.'unckeyherb said:
Wow. You'd think even if Schiano was that ignorant of the rules that someone else would have told him you can't do that. Unless he's created an environment where players and coaches fear speaking up even when it's for the good of the team.
B-Deep
Footballguy
He knows the rule, just ask him!
He knew the rule. Did it anyway.
B-Deep
Footballguy
That's actually a good question though. One would think SOMEONE in that organization had to know this rule. Why didn't one player or coach say "Ya know G.... we'll get a 15 yarder if we try that crap"
steveski
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Whether it's a rule or not and whether Schiano was aware of the rule or not, it doesn't change the fact that he's a tool and it's a tool move, just like all his other "tactics" he's been pulling this year. He's probably already the laughing stock of all the coaches. A couple more of these calls that cost his team the game and he'll hopefully be sent back to college.
steveski
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That is a terrible comparison.
B-Deep
Footballguy
analogy fail
dgreen
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OK.
Schiano keeps pulling these little bush league maneuvers. He really is a joke. Can't get back to the minors fast enough. He doesn't belong in the show.
unckeyherb
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dgreen
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Sorry, I don't see why this makes him a tool.
He might be a tool, but I don't get what this has to do with it. It might make him a bad coach, but that's different than being a tool.
B-Deep
Footballguy
This doesn't make him a tool, but he is a tool and this was a dumb thing that this particular tool did. Screaming at the ref about it and insisting he knows the rule when every ref on the field would contend he did not along with his other antics in the NFL and compounded by his antics at Rutgers all combine to make him a tool.Sorry, I don't see why this makes him a tool.
steveski
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It's just bush league football. Similar to rushing the QB in victory formation, except this one is actually against the rules. There are reasons no other coaches in the NFL try to pull this kind of stuff. Win football games by winning football games, not pulling shady moves.Sorry, I don't see why this makes him a tool.
jojoh07
Footballguy
well his snarky response of him knowing the rule might contribute to his douchinessSorry, I don't see why this makes him a tool.
dgreen
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Hey, don't blame me for not reading anything and just assuming that everyone was saying he's a tool just because he shifted his DL and had them try to trick the offense into committing a penalty. I do my best to not fully read things. Usually a waste of time.This doesn't make him a tool, but he is a tool and this was a dumb thing that this particular tool did. Screaming at the ref about it and insisting he knows the rule when every ref on the field would contend he did not along with his other antics in the NFL and compounded by his antics at Rutgers all combine to make him a tool.Sorry, I don't see why this makes him a tool.
GregR
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And if you're going to try it... a field goal is the play the refs are best in position to hear a defensive player try to simulate the snap count. Normally the closest refs to the line are pretty far back, the two behind the offense. On a field goal, you have two refs right up by the line of scrimmage making sure the defense doesn't line up over the center.
dgreen
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Yeah, I didn't really have a problem with that victory formation thing either.It's just bush league football. Similar to rushing the QB in victory formation, except this one is actually against the rules. There are reasons no other coaches in the NFL try to pull this kind of stuff. Win football games by winning football games, not pulling shady moves.Sorry, I don't see why this makes him a tool.
B-Deep
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I am not blaming youI am just saying it's a body of work that makes him a tool, this was just an example.And it is not that he broke a rule, like going out of bounds. He designed a play that was against the rules. He used it and cost his team at least 4 points in a game they ultimately lost by 7 (with the ball well inside field goal range when the game ended). HE yelled at a ref for calling the penalty, even though multiple refs all threw flags for the same thing, and then afterward gave a smart ### "I believe I know the rule" response to reporters about the situationHey, don't blame me for not reading anything and just assuming that everyone was saying he's a tool just because he shifted his DL and had them try to trick the offense into committing a penalty. I do my best to not fully read things. Usually a waste of time.This doesn't make him a tool, but he is a tool and this was a dumb thing that this particular tool did. Screaming at the ref about it and insisting he knows the rule when every ref on the field would contend he did not along with his other antics in the NFL and compounded by his antics at Rutgers all combine to make him a tool.Sorry, I don't see why this makes him a tool.
Wadsworth
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He has his team make a shift designed to make the other team flinch. He tells the refs before hand and they call a 15 yard penalty. He then says afterwards that "I believe I know that rule, and I'll leave it at that." If he knew the rule, why did he do it? Or is it that he thinks he knows the rule better than the refs? That is the toolish part.Sorry, I don't see why this makes him a tool.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Interesting. Article said refs were tipped off that they would do this, and that its a little enforced rule. How many other times have thy done this in 2012? I'd be interested in seeing if it worked then?
B-Deep
Footballguy
how many other players have done it? I am sure a few. how many other teams have had the whole D-line do it in unison?
none
sometimes when you try and go too far outside the box the UPS truck runs you over.
dgreen
Footballguy
OK, just to play devil's advocate since I've dug myself a hole here...What about when the offense designs plays to try and get the defense to jump offside? Is that OK? Sometimes they even teach the QB to move his shoulders, head, or hands a lot to make it look like the ball is about to be snapped.As for his reaction, coaches do that stuff. Coaches yell at refs even if they know they are wrong and will keep a lie going about what they know and don't know. I don't know, maybe there are just a bunch of tools out there.
dgreen
Footballguy
I remember the Redskins being called for imitating the snap several years ago. Can't remember which toolish coach it was, though. Maybe Gibbs.
B-Deep
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this was not some stealth thing, the entire line did it and every ref in sight flagged itIF he knew the rule he is even dumber than i thought. Instead of a long field goal the siants got a first down scored a TD and won the game by 7An analogy would be the jets running a play where Sanchez throws the ball forward to Tebow who throws the ball forward to a WR, then yelling when they flagged them for illegal forward pass and then Rex saying he knows the rule about only one forward pass. Even Rex, kind of the tools, would not do that.This was a play that had no chance of helping the Bucs and was guaranteed to help the Saints because it was so clearly against the rules. The rules which, according to Schiano, he knows.I hope he keeps doing this stuff, it is great TV
brewer
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GregR
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I wouldn't give that statement any credence as worded without seeing something that supports it. "Little enforced" suggests refs catch it but don't flag it.I suspect he really meant "it isn't called frequently". And the reason probably is that it isn't committed frequently. Or if it is, it isn't caught.
You do see it called every once in awhile.
He's not an innovator. He's the tool pee wee football coach that tried the gatchetry and went out of his way to push the envelope on the rule book rather than trying to win with talent, X's, and O's. Or the guy who yelled 'look out' on a hard ground ball in Little League or 'swing' when a guy was batting. Just a general idiot. Also tries too hard to be different and have people think he's clever. He's probably already the most disliked head coach in foorball amongst his peers and I doubt he'll still be in the league in two years.
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Leroy Hoard
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His only previous NFL coaching job was in the 1990's so he lacks any connections in the current NFL. His next job will be at the college level for sure.
dgreen
Footballguy
That's "The Shift"? Not much there.Doesn't matter because the shifting isn't the penalty. They yelled "HIKE" (or "HUT" or "OMAHA" or whatever). The yelling was the penalty. Now I really don't get the complaints about the shift. That was nothing.Do we know that Schiano instructed his players to yell something? Or did he just design the shift? Maybe he was so mad because he didn't know somebody yelled?
steveski
Footballguy
Are you related to him or something? I guess I can understand some of your points, but you are blindly praising this guy and disputing the obvious facts.
Do we know that Schiano instructed his players to yell something? Or did he just design the shift? Maybe he was so mad because he didn't know somebody yelled?
GregR
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Wanted to confirm if my impression it happens rarely is correct. Asked former Texans DT Seth Payne, in his experience how often D-linemen simulate the snap count to try to draw false starts. He said they'd call out defensive line shifts, but never called out actual cadence calls like the offense uses.
B-Deep
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The home team was down 28-21 when a New Orleans drive, which began at their own 5-yard line, stalled on 3rd and 9 at Tampa Bay's 33. New Orleans was about to attempt a 50-yard field goal when the Bucs' defensive line abruptly shifted and, according to Saints players, shouted in unison.
Do we know that Schiano instructed his players to yell something? Or did he just design the shift? Maybe he was so mad because he didn't know somebody yelled?
they all could have spontaneously decided to yell when shifting
