dagwood
Footballguy
And the fact that no one would reply if posted in AC forum.
I applied the effort to backdoor this into the Shark Pool. :golfclap:
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RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, PIT (1 Viewer)
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I applied the effort to backdoor this into the Shark Pool. :golfclap:
Red River Ninja
Footballguy
No sir, it is a discussion thread about CP and I read many, many pages of this in order to discern whether my view of Patterson is skewed or justified. I am also trying and make a comparison between a home-run hitter like CP and a route-running machine like Allen. I feel the views on both are split and don't want to trade Green away to get someone I don't need should Allen prove to be the better receiver. My post was created in the construct of a trade question but the discussion on CP and his present/future relevence is important to a situation/question like mine as many owners and near-future drafters are high on his potential, and sometimes that can create a false hope or expectation that traps a fantasy player and dooms them to make poor and/or uninformed decisions. I have been searching high and low for some next-level information on Allen and CP - which would be based on a 1 year sample size in the NFL and whatever amount of time they played in college - but was hoping the knowledgable folks here in the Shark Pool would be able to help me differentiate between the two while also aiding in this dilemna I face in a league. Any situation like this is as relevent as saying 'I like him' with the counter-argument of 'Why?" as this is at least a fantasy-relevent situation that applies to CP, his skill level, and a comparison made between him and another 2nd year WR with a totally different offense and skill set. So thank-you for your applause, good sir; it is greatly appreciated. Sadly, it is also misguided.
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Red River Ninja
Footballguy
13 12/1 CIN 10 8 106 - 13.2 6 1 8 14 12/8 NYG 3 3 59 2 19.7 3 - 17 15 12/12 @DEN 5 2 29 2 14.5 2 - 14 16 12/22 OAK 7 3 26 1 8.7 2 1 6 17 12/29 KC 8 5 89 - 17.8 2 - In the last 5 regular games of the year (many leagues don't use week 17 in the championship but it is included for arguments sake) Allen had point totals of 8/17/14/6/8. His average receptions in that stretch was 4.2/game, average yards were 61.8/game. He only got over the double-digit mark twice because he scored 2 TDs in each of those games. Could he have scored more in other games and raised his totals? Of course, and you can't hold TDs against a player as that is what the goal of an offense. The thing is, I am not sure he can overcome any downgrade in the passing game, and if the TDs don't occur and with so many weapons coming back this year then any decrease in targets/red-zone targets could turn him into 'just a guy'. Everything with Allen or CP is going to be based on small sample sizes and/or personal preference, I just don't see Allen being anything special.
Red River Ninja
Footballguy
Thank-you. I shall post the question itself there but that doesn't change the fact that I am enamoured with CP. I bought his jersery even though I am a Dolphins fan, have watched his highlight packages many a time, and am excited from strictly a football fan PoV about watching him this year. If I wanted straight trade advice i could go many places, be it the AC section or another site. As is, I find his talent titillating and came across this post in this forum. Thank-you for pointing out the AC section as I am new to this site. Best of luck in your league(s) this year, MoveToSkypager!
steveski
Footballguy
Not sure why we're talking about this here but I don't see why Allen is definitely that guy? Rivers has always had a good connection with Floyd and he's back now. All reports of Floyd have been spectacular so far. I think Allen will be good long term, but I wouldn't be shocked to see his numbers regress quite a bit this year.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Malcolm Floyd has been on the Chargers for TEN YEARS and still has never been that guy for even a single season. He led the team's WRs in receiving only once and even in that season he was clearly second fiddle to Danario Alexander once Alexander got on the field.
Red River Ninja
Footballguy
People talking on this post are debating the potential of CP and having a point of comparison between him and another highly touted 2nd year WR makes for an interesting point/counterpoint. Both Allen and CP84 could have highly successful careers but if they do it will be in totally different ways. While people are asking if Allen can maintain his decent numbers from last year almost everyone who is discussing CP is asking just how dominant can he be. I am one of those people that looks at Patterson and feels we are watching the next big thing, someone who could be as good a WR as we have seen recently.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
We're badly straying off topic here, but the only years that Floyd has been at the top of the SD WRs were the year that Vincent Jackson got hurt early (a year in which he barely out gained Patrick Crayton, who only played 9 games that year) and a year in which Danario Alexander missed the first half of the season but came in and clearly overtook Floyd immediately (Danario put up 659/7 alongside Floyd's 349/4 after Danario entered the lineup).
Floyd has been with the Chargers 10 years and in several of those years we entered the season thinking SD had no one else on their roster to catch passes from Rivers, but Floyd never stepped up. He had ample opportunity to become a go-to guy for Rivers and failed every time to do what Keenan Allen did on his first try. I'm not sure why Floyd, who is now on the downside of his career and coming off an injury, would be any more likely to do so now than he was over the last 10 years.
hoopvillian
Footballguy
psychobillies
Footballguy
I'm seeing CP settling in at the early 4th heading into this weekends drafts. Looking more and more likely that people picking in the middle rounds are gonna have to take him in the 3rd. Not sure if I can pull the trigger that early. I'd love to have him, but it's getting a little crazy.
Dismattle
Footballguy
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_26372271/vikings-cordarrelle-patterson-return-some-preseason-kicks
Cordarrelle Patterson has been returning more kicks in practice this week
As a rookie in 2013, Patterson earned Pro Bowl honors during a season in which he returned kickoffs for touchdowns of 109 and 105 yards while leading the NFL with a 32.4-yard return average.
http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Should-Patterson-Remain-Vikings-Full-Time-Kickoff-Returner/0bd2ba52-7490-409a-a79f-17e09ce19e93
Should Patterson Remain Vikings Full-Time Kickoff Returner?
Cordarrelle Patterson has been returning more kicks in practice this week
As a rookie in 2013, Patterson earned Pro Bowl honors during a season in which he returned kickoffs for touchdowns of 109 and 105 yards while leading the NFL with a 32.4-yard return average.
http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Should-Patterson-Remain-Vikings-Full-Time-Kickoff-Returner/0bd2ba52-7490-409a-a79f-17e09ce19e93
Should Patterson Remain Vikings Full-Time Kickoff Returner?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He ran by the safety got behind everyone. I wouldn't say blown coverage, he is just really fast.
steveski
Footballguy
His ADP hasn't gone up this preseason. It's the same as it was during the offseason/OTAs. Whether you think that is too high or not is not the point.
identikit
Footballguy
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Yeah, he smoked the DB, and made an over the shoulder catch with some degree of difficulty. His hands not only don't look like they are a concern, but could actually be pretty good. If Norv Turner uses him in more of a vertical role like Josh Gordon last year, he could really be positioned to shine.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
It was a great play and what I have been waiting to see from Patterson.
He got behind the rookie covering him and Cassel had a lot of room to step into that pass.
I notice he also ran this route out of the slot.
If he can connect on some of these deep plays it will open up some of the short passes for him as well. Could be a big year for him if he has put it all together now.
He got behind the rookie covering him and Cassel had a lot of room to step into that pass.
I notice he also ran this route out of the slot.
If he can connect on some of these deep plays it will open up some of the short passes for him as well. Could be a big year for him if he has put it all together now.
Football Jones
Footballguy
As good as Patterson could be this season, he'll be even better next year. We're looking at a kid who has the potential to be the #1 WR in FF in the near future. The quarterbacking could hold him back a bit this season, but in time, Bridgewater should be plenty good enough to help Patterson become a monster.
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Chaka
Footballguy
The DB he smoked is an undrafted free agent who is slow. Later in the game Patterson dropped a wide open crossing pattern that might have been a TD. Just painting a full picture. Nothing I saw tonight changes my opinion that he's going to be very good.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I speak jive.
He's saying that playing in a Norv Turner offense is a boon to Patterson's potential. He thinks that the 4th round in a draft is the right place to take him.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Id like to think of it as this year will be your last chance to get him with any pick later than the 3rd round. In most leagues he's going to be there in the late 4th and if youre lucky he slides to the 5th.
More targets is more opportunity. I watched the Buccaneers preseason game a few days ago and Vincent Jackson really stood out to me. He was crafty and quick. If I was an Offenseive Coordinator, I would be using Cordarelle Patterson the same exact way the Buccaneers are using Vincent Jackson. Patterson has ridiculous change of direction and speed, I want to see how many targets he gets.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Okay guys, I'm getting excited he's sitting in my flex position with Dez and Jordy as my two WRs. He's going to be an absolute ton of fun to watch this season, he's just so explosive.
The price versus risk may be something to consider, but I personally place some value in having explosive and exciting players on my team, the types of which that can have monstrous ceilings if it goes right. In my briefish experience of FF so far, I've found that you can't beat having players on your team that have the capability to pull off enormous plays/games. Its a great feeling when they come off and post something huge.
The price versus risk may be something to consider, but I personally place some value in having explosive and exciting players on my team, the types of which that can have monstrous ceilings if it goes right. In my briefish experience of FF so far, I've found that you can't beat having players on your team that have the capability to pull off enormous plays/games. Its a great feeling when they come off and post something huge.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
His ceiling is a top 3-5 WR with upside in the near future, there aren't a lot of WRs like that, and most of them cost more than Patterson.
It wasn't an accident that Patterson topped NFL.com's Making the Leap Top 25 Countdown during the Summer, he is as primed as any player in the league at any position for a massive breakout, imo.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000357032/article/around-the-leagues-making-the-leap-countdown
psychobillies
Footballguy
Yeah. I got him in all three leagues that I drafted this weekend. Late 4th in two, early 5th in the other.
Yea that's a correct analysis of the post. I didn't know there were English teachers critique these posts in here , my mistake. But Yea auto spell on my phone messed it up a bit as well. Honestly , even though I'm skeptic of Bridgewater , I think Patterson will outperform his 4th rd adp. On a ppg basis of course. I'd be ecstatic to have him as my wr 2 or even one if I went rb heavy early . I also wouldn't be surprised if he is the #1 wr in return leagues this Year at all. He wasnt far from it in the one league I have him in that counts for kr/pr yards.
John Paul
Footballguy
I took CP in round 1 today in my keeper league. We keep 3 each year so consider it a 4th rounder at pick #9 if you will. I just want the ball in Patterson's hands. Bubble screens, KRs, hand-offs, crossing patterns, deep seams, I don't care.
Watch him when he gets the ball, special things happen. I hope they happen more often in '14.
Watch him when he gets the ball, special things happen. I hope they happen more often in '14.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Mr. Flashy
Top-5(ish) WR on a PPG basis in return leagues during the 2nd half of last year. This year he gets a veteran training camp and Norv Turner.
Almost time to get crunk for everyone who drafted this hell on wheels!!
Biggitty BUMP!!!
Top-5(ish) WR on a PPG basis in return leagues during the 2nd half of last year. This year he gets a veteran training camp and Norv Turner.
Almost time to get crunk for everyone who drafted this hell on wheels!!
Biggitty BUMP!!!
AAABatteries
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
Funny you mentioned Cobb, because in my draft this year, my round three (pick 3.6) targets were in order - CP84, Harvin, Cobb and the draft went:
3.3 Cobb
Me - 3.6 Patterson and 5.6 Harvin
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I'm not sure how you could be going into the season without some piece of CP. It's going to be a fun ride.
