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8 minutes ago, Northern Voice said:

Was coming in here to see if anyone watched it/was it worthwhile. 

It was cool. I thought there would be more interaction with the actors but the crew deserved the love. 

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Watched Return of the Jedi last night...wondering if a board like this or Twitter was around how many would have complained about Boba Fett getting such a lame death by Han accidentally activating his rockets sending him into the sarlacc pit

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3 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Watched Return of the Jedi last night...wondering if a board like this or Twitter was around how many would have complained about Boba Fett getting such a lame death by Han accidentally activating his rockets sending him into the sarlacc pit

That would have been buried under the Ewok travesty.

TBH, I didn't get that bent about Boba Fett's death, and I had 2 Boba Fett action figures that you got by sending in the Proof of Purchase 'tags' from other merchandise.

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5 hours ago, otb_lifer said:

empty Sunday night ... it was a helluva run.

recalling the power of the earlier writing - the show had unparalleled brilliance; the latter seasons just don't compare :shrug:

i'm not TIRED!

pops laying it down

jugglers and singers require applause

favorite scene of the lot

That scene with Robert and Cersei was incredible.  Probably the first time in 17 years they spoke honestly with each other.

Cersei's "Our marriage " still cracks me up, but it is also very sad

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54 minutes ago, Charlie Steiner said:

That would have been buried under the Ewok travesty.

TBH, I didn't get that bent about Boba Fett's death, and I had 2 Boba Fett action figures that you got by sending in the Proof of Purchase 'tags' from other merchandise.

And talk about poor planning...hiding Luke from his father and the empower by placing him with...Skywalkers? Yeah great plan there.  Big power the dark side is they couldn’t figure that one out. 

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2 hours ago, Northern Voice said:

Was coming in here to see if anyone watched it/was it worthwhile. 

I didn't finish it, but I thought it was really interesting. It really gets into how much insanely glamorous work there is behind the scenes to pull it off.

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7 hours ago, otb_lifer said:

empty Sunday night ... it was a helluva run.

recalling the power of the earlier writing - the show had unparalleled brilliance; the latter seasons just don't compare :shrug:

i'm not TIRED!

pops laying it down

jugglers and singers require applause

favorite scene of the lot

Excellent list.  Tywin was friggin awesome.  Here's my personal fave:  I will be your champion

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11 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

GOT season 8 "making of" documentary > GOT season 8

Pretty sure the extra they focused on had more screen time in the special than Cersei did all season 8

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3 hours ago, Yankee23Fan said:
3 hours ago, Northern Voice said:

Was coming in here to see if anyone watched it/was it worthwhile. 

It was cool. I thought there would be more interaction with the actors but the crew deserved the love. 

The extra they focused on was hilarious.

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4 hours ago, sho nuff said:

Watched Return of the Jedi last night...wondering if a board like this or Twitter was around how many would have complained about Boba Fett getting such a lame death by Han accidentally activating his rockets sending him into the sarlacc pit

Would’ve been a nightmare and the same people complaining about everything else now probably love that movie. 

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42 minutes ago, Capella said:

Would’ve been a nightmare and the same people complaining about everything else now probably love that movie. 

Please take your false equivalence over the the PSF where it will have some friends to play with.  

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4 minutes ago, Captain Cranks said:

Please take your false equivalence over the the PSF where it will have some friends to play with.  

Sorry don’t go there this thread is my yearly allotment of dumb people who think they and only they know best. 

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1 minute ago, Capella said:

Sorry don’t go there this thread is my yearly allotment of dumb people who think they and only they know best. 

That's too bad.  You might be able to pick up on the irony of it all.  

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Just now, Captain Cranks said:

That's too bad.  You might be able to pick up on the irony of it all.  

Well I’m hoping here I pick up some skills for how to write scripts for a mega-huge tv show. 

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2 minutes ago, Capella said:

Well I’m hoping here I pick up some skills for how to write scripts for a mega-huge tv show. 

I’m not sure what you’re getting at?  One can’t have an opinion about the quality of the writing if they have not written a screenplay themselves?

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Just now, zoonation said:

I’m not sure what you’re getting at?  One can’t have an opinion about the quality of the writing if they have not written a screenplay themselves?

No. Somebody said in here last week that half the people in this thread could have written a better season. 

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5 minutes ago, Capella said:

No. Somebody said in here last week that half the people in this thread could have written a better season. 

Oh. Lol.  

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Definitely a bit disappointed in the story the last season or two.  Just felt like too many interesting storylines were left unresolved or brought to abrupt endings.  Everything else remained good, but part of the appeal of GoT was all the intriguing hints and side plots and too many of those were abandoned or didn't have satisfying payoffs.  I'm sure plenty of people have come up with better ideas, but a few threads could have been tied together by connecting the Night King, Faceless Men and Lord of Light.  Maybe something like the NIght King represents death and seeks to make all living things die.  The Lord of Light represent Life and seeks to spread life.  The Faceless Men represent balance between life and death...they kill those who are supposed to die and allow life for those who are supposed to live...life and death are two sides of the same coin.  Instead of Arya killing the Night King just being her stabbing a bad guy to death, she could be using Faceless Man abilities to bring balance back to the world and send the Night King back north for another few thousand years. 

The idea of "power resides where men believe it to be" could have been tied into this too.  When too many people despair, the Night King's influence grows.  When too many are overoptimistic, the Lord of Light becomes too strong.  So whatever actions Arya took could have been something that gave people hope and reduced the Night King's power that way.

The point of the Three Eyed Raven could have been that by seeing that past, Bran was able to see that no matter how bad or how good things look at any time, they cycle back and forth around some balance.  So his sharing of what he saw in the past could have also brought enough hope to people to limit the power of the Night King.

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2 hours ago, Capella said:

Would’ve been a nightmare and the same people complaining about everything else now probably love that movie. 

I was thinking about this thread while watching S1 of the Sopranos a few days ago on a flight...I mean, both of the hired hit men basically handed their guns to Tony in his truck...they couldn’t have stood back 10 feet and fired away? I chuckled and kept enjoying.

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40 minutes ago, gump said:

I was thinking about this thread while watching S1 of the Sopranos a few days ago on a flight...I mean, both of the hired hit men basically handed their guns to Tony in his truck...they couldn’t have stood back 10 feet and fired away? I chuckled and kept enjoying.

Exactly. 

Heck, we could point at the episode in S2 of Game of Thrones where Littlefinger clearly recognizes Arya when talking to Twyin, and even though he reacts to seeing her and his eyes follow her as she crosses the room, Tywin, a guy who never missed a thing, didn't notice despite the fact that he was looking right at Littlefinger the entire time.   But, oh wait, that is Season 2, and the writers never did a thing wrong when using the book material,  according to some. 

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5 hours ago, Capella said:

No. Somebody said in here last week that half the people in this thread could have written a better season. 

To be fair it wasn't that they could write a better season, just better dialogue.  

 

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Finished watching last two episodes. I was very disappointed. This season and much of the last pale in comparison to the previous. They were some of the most interesting TV I had watched. Rich in detail and texture.

I've heard that Martin didn't know how it was going to end yet and maybe that's part of the problem with this version of the ending. So much time and money spent and they missed the landing.

I think a good ending is the hardest part of any story, book or movie.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

Exactly. 

Heck, we could point at the episode in S2 of Game of Thrones where Littlefinger clearly recognizes Arya when talking to Twyin, and even though he reacts to seeing her and his eyes follow her as she crosses the room, Tywin, a guy who never missed a thing, didn't notice despite the fact that he was looking right at Littlefinger the entire time.   But, oh wait, that is Season 2, and the writers never did a thing wrong when using the book material,  according to some. 

I think the main criticisms of the writing that so many people have are not in the lack of attention to momentary details, but rather huge narrative plot holes and lack of cohesion generally.  

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56 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I think the main criticisms of the writing that so many people have are not in the lack of attention to momentary details, but rather huge narrative plot holes and lack of cohesion generally.  

Its obvious they spent all their time on the burning of kl. And the nk battle....

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On 5/25/2019 at 11:03 PM, beer 30 said:

As always, well done MoCS :thumbup:. These rereads are going to be interesting to be sure but be careful not to focus too much on what the show has shown us. That’s my fear, that I’m going to read these again through the glasses of GoT’s the show as opposed to GoT’s the story.

Thanks. You are so right. I rewatched the part of the TV show that is the book Prologue. Man, it is sooo different in most all the things that I wrote about in the Reread thread. After that experience, I fully understand why some of my opinions make little sense. 

Thus, I'm going to try to keep my book comments out of here unless I see something that relates to the show. I'll post some about it maybe in the book thread, but only as a spoiler-tag.

 

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I forget who but one of the contributors in this thread summed it up well, GRRM gave them the ending and a rough outline how to get there but I think they used a lot of latitude. They made it a Hollywood story as opposed to a GoT’s story.

Yeah. I agree here too. I still liked it a lot though. I may rewatch bits and pieces during the read to compare some things. But I am going to do my best to follow your idea. I want to read it through the book first and then see how the show did it. 

 

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On 5/27/2019 at 5:34 PM, zoobird said:

Definitely a bit disappointed in the story the last season or two.  Just felt like too many interesting storylines were left unresolved or brought to abrupt endings.  Everything else remained good, but part of the appeal of GoT was all the intriguing hints and side plots and too many of those were abandoned or didn't have satisfying payoffs.  I'm sure plenty of people have come up with better ideas, but a few threads could have been tied together by connecting the Night King, Faceless Men and Lord of Light.  Maybe something like the NIght King represents death and seeks to make all living things die.  The Lord of Light represent Life and seeks to spread life.  The Faceless Men represent balance between life and death...they kill those who are supposed to die and allow life for those who are supposed to live...life and death are two sides of the same coin.  Instead of Arya killing the Night King just being her stabbing a bad guy to death, she could be using Faceless Man abilities to bring balance back to the world and send the Night King back north for another few thousand years. 

The idea of "power resides where men believe it to be" could have been tied into this too.  When too many people despair, the Night King's influence grows.  When too many are overoptimistic, the Lord of Light becomes too strong.  So whatever actions Arya took could have been something that gave people hope and reduced the Night King's power that way.

The point of the Three Eyed Raven could have been that by seeing that past, Bran was able to see that no matter how bad or how good things look at any time, they cycle back and forth around some balance.  So his sharing of what he saw in the past could have also brought enough hope to people to limit the power of the Night King.

Whoa. This is great. 

I'm going to think more about it.

I really like:

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The idea of "power resides where men believe it to be" could have been tied into this too.  When too many people despair, the Night King's influence grows.  When too many are overoptimistic, the Lord of Light becomes too strong.  So whatever actions Arya took could have been something that gave people hope and reduced the Night King's power that way.

I especially like how you use the bold.

 

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The point of the Three Eyed Raven could have been that by seeing that past, Bran was able to see that no matter how bad or how good things look at any time, they cycle back and forth around some balance.  So his sharing of what he saw in the past could have also brought enough hope to people to limit the power of the Night King.

Yeah. And the bold is kind of like what Gandalf did. At one point it is explained (somewhere) that Gandalf's main purpose was to inspire and bring hope to the forces of good. Yeah - he could have nuked the opposing army like he did the balrog, but he didn't.

Instead, he used his power only when necessary and mostly to inspire hope. He needed to let the others achieve the victory - so that the new Age of Men would replace him and the elves and other forms of magic in Middle Earth.

This is a huge part of why I see Bran as the Merlin/Gandalf type. Also, both of those guys either deny using "magic" or don't understand why that term is used in regards to what they do (Galadriel also). Thus, for Bran to sit on the Throne, it also means that Gandalf and magic have not left the world in the show ending. That is a twist that I did not expect, but love.

 

As for the rest,  I need to think a lot more.

If you have any other thoughts, I'd love to hear them.

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18 hours ago, zoonation said:

I think the main criticisms of the writing that so many people have are not in the lack of attention to momentary details, but rather huge narrative plot holes and lack of cohesion generally.  

It is both.  They did a great job bringing page to life, but when they had to come up with original material, it lacked in some regards.  And it was more noticeable as they veered further from the books (entire Dorne plot) and even more so when they went well past them (Seasons 7 and 8).  

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On 5/27/2019 at 6:27 PM, Ghost Rider said:

Exactly. 

Heck, we could point at the episode in S2 of Game of Thrones where Littlefinger clearly recognizes Arya when talking to Twyin, and even though he reacts to seeing her and his eyes follow her as she crosses the room, Tywin, a guy who never missed a thing, didn't notice despite the fact that he was looking right at Littlefinger the entire time.   But, oh wait, that is Season 2, and the writers never did a thing wrong when using the book material,  according to some. 

That whole Arya as Tywin's cup-bearer and Little finger showing up at Harrenhall did NOT happen in the books.

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On 5/27/2019 at 6:27 PM, Ghost Rider said:

Exactly. 

Heck, we could point at the episode in S2 of Game of Thrones where Littlefinger clearly recognizes Arya when talking to Twyin, and even though he reacts to seeing her and his eyes follow her as she crosses the room, Tywin, a guy who never missed a thing, didn't notice despite the fact that he was looking right at Littlefinger the entire time.   But, oh wait, that is Season 2, and the writers never did a thing wrong when using the book material,  according to some. 

I just assumed Tywin knew.  :shrug: 

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Did any of you guys see the recent movie about Queen?

The Little Finger actor was in it...

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Bran said him being King was Martins idea.... SUCK ON THAT NERDS

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26 minutes ago, belljr said:

Bran said him being King was Martins idea.... SUCK ON THAT NERDS

Can you imagine if Murrica picked a President this way, and you had like 7-8 power brokers, and one guy gives a monologue and then everyone just kinda shrugs and says "Yeah, that sounds good."

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27 minutes ago, belljr said:

Bran said him being King was Martins idea.... SUCK ON THAT NERDS

Who doubts that?  It is more about how the show half-assed his storyline. 

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2 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Can you imagine if Murrica picked a President this way, and you had like 7-8 power brokers, and one guy gives a monologue and then everyone just kinda shrugs and says "Yeah, that sounds good."

And the one guy is a prisoner in chains?

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On 5/26/2019 at 10:35 PM, Kevrunner said:

Lena  Headey (Cersei)  refused to do any scenes with Jerome Flynn (Bronn).   Seems they use to date and evidently had a bad breakup.  They don’t even speak to each other.

It was in her contract that she would not be in any scenes with him. If you recall, when team Dany meets with Cersei in the decayed dragon pit, Bronn grabs Pod and says, "Alright then, let's go get a pint, shall we," and the two wander off right before all the major players come together. That's because he couldn't be on set with her. 

Seems a little unprofessional to me. Maybe Headey isn't acting as well as everyone thinks and maybe she's just channeling her inner {female dog} that comes so natural to her?

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3 minutes ago, TheFanatic said:

It was in her contract that she would not be in any scenes with him. If you recall, when team Dany meets with Cersei in the decayed dragon pit, Bronn grabs Pod and says, "Alright then, let's go get a pint, shall we," and the two wander off right before all the major players come together. That's because he couldn't be on set with her. 

Seems a little unprofessional to me. Maybe Headey isn't acting as well as everyone thinks and maybe she's just channeling her inner {female dog} that comes so natural to her?

so you're speaking from a vantage point of knowing all the inner machinations of their relationship?  we are to believe it's all Lena's fault because she had the clause? yeah, don't think it's that cut and dried. 

i know she is very close with both Clarke and Dinklage offscreen ... those two are pretry laid back and fun loving folk irl ... doubt they'd maintain such relationships with Lena if she were the mega-#####. 

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8 minutes ago, TheFanatic said:

It was in her contract that she would not be in any scenes with him. If you recall, when team Dany meets with Cersei in the decayed dragon pit, Bronn grabs Pod and says, "Alright then, let's go get a pint, shall we," and the two wander off right before all the major players come together. That's because he couldn't be on set with her. 

Seems a little unprofessional to me. Maybe Headey isn't acting as well as everyone thinks and maybe she's just channeling her inner {female dog} that comes so natural to her?

how did it go down when she gave the crossbow to Bronn to kill her brothers?  I honestly can't remember....they had to be in the same room for that, right?

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9 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

so you're speaking from a vantage point of knowing all the inner machinations of their relationship?  we are to believe it's all Lena's fault because she had the clause? yeah, don't think it's that cut and dried. 

i know she is very close with both Clarke and Dinklage offscreen ... those two are pretry laid back and fun loving folk irl ... doubt they'd maintain such relationships with Lena if she were the mega-#####. 

I'm not saying who's fault it was they broke up. I'm just saying it seems a bit unprofessional to have it written into the contract that she is never in a scene with the guy. These people are actors. If she can pretend to be a queen in a world with dragons, she can pretend to be a professional around an ex boyfriend for a few scenes. That's all. 

 

ETA - for the record, I'm assuming Bronn was the complete dill hole when they broke up and that's why she has the clause in there. I just think it's unprofessional of her to put that clause in. 

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Just now, Tiger Fan said:

how did it go down when she gave the crossbow to Bronn to kill her brothers?  I honestly can't remember....they had to be in the same room for that, right?

Bronn got his marching orders from Qyburn.

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1 minute ago, Tiger Fan said:

how did it go down when she gave the crossbow to Bronn to kill her brothers?  I honestly can't remember....they had to be in the same room for that, right?

Qyburn delivered the message and the crossbow. 

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6 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Bronn got his marching orders from Qyburn.

 

6 minutes ago, TheFanatic said:

Qyburn delivered the message and the crossbow. 

ah...that's right.  my bad

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3 minutes ago, TheFanatic said:

I'm not saying who's fault it was they broke up. I'm just saying it seems a bit unprofessional to have it written into the contract that she is never in a scene with the guy. These people are actors. If she can pretend to be a queen in a world with dragons, she can pretend to be a professional around an ex boyfriend for a few scenes. That's all. 

if you stop to think about this deeper you'd realize that what you're saying actually defends Headey's actions ... e.g. -

i'm sure the producers voiced the exact same sentiment to her as you laid out when she presented that demand - ergo, methinks she has dirt of an egregious manner on Flynn which they saw grievous enough to acquiesce granting her "no scenes w/Bronn" rider. 

 

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1 minute ago, Tiger Fan said:

 

ah...that's right.  my bad

And wouldn't that scene been much more powerful if Cersei herself gave those orders? To have Tyrion killed is one thing, but to order the death of Jamie? That would've been huge, but that clause robbed us of that scene. 

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1 minute ago, otb_lifer said:

if you stop to think about this deeper you'd realize that what you're saying actually defends Headey's actions ... e.g. -

i'm sure the producers voiced the exact same sentiment to her as you laid out when she presented that demand - ergo, methinks she has dirt of an egregious manner on Flynn which they saw grievous enough to acquiesce granting her "no scenes w/Bronn" rider. 

 

Now who's in someone's head. I don't think it's dirt at all. Just a bad break up and she's still pissed about it. And I'm not defending her actions at all. I wish I could've seen a scene where she gives Bronn the crossbow and tells him to murder both Tyrion and Jamie which would've been quite powerful. Instead we get Qyburn doing it. That robbed us of what would've been something great. 

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1 minute ago, TheFanatic said:

Now who's in someone's head. I don't think it's dirt at all. Just a bad break up and she's still pissed about it. And I'm not defending her actions at all. I wish I could've seen a scene where she gives Bronn the crossbow and tells him to murder both Tyrion and Jamie which would've been quite powerful. Instead we get Qyburn doing it. That robbed us of what would've been something great. 

 not buying any of this #### for a minute ... not once have you even allowed that Flynn may actually bear some culpability here ... #### that, keep your head in the sand. 

oh, and the crossbow scene, ya mean the one where the payoff was Bronn somehow gaining unfettered access to those two in a heavily fortified area?  the one that fizzled the #### out and went absolutely nowhere?

and, btw, Qyburn was her flunkie ... the Queen need not consort wif a sell sword to order a hit - she has minions like Q to do that legwork - didn't bother me at all. 

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