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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (12 Viewers)
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
People get so defensive if every post in here isn't stroking the show. It was a great season with lots of interesting stories, but you can certainly make the case that bigmarc27 did that it was more focussed on the inner workings in the locales than the overall quest for the throne/winter is coming that they've been building to from the start.
In terms of getting to the throne, Stannis is further away and going to be more focussed on north of the wall (but we haven't actually seen anything happen here this season either), and Dany has been twiddling her #### for the better part of two seasons, and as you said lost her most trusted advisor. Littlefinger emerged as a wildcard this season but that's about it in terms of persuing the throne.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Bingo. I wasn't even criticizing. Just saying that since the battle of blackwater, Stannis has been spinning his wheels. Dany hasn't been interesting aside from the unsullied part in almost three years, and the wight walkers have maybe 15 minutes of screen time in 4 seasons. I enjoyed the stories in season 4, but in a global sense we crawled along a bit.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
She's also part of the richest family in the kingdom, while the kingdom itself is in debt and the Lannisters are broke.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I preferred Tenspeed and Brownshoe.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
When you are the richest family in Westeros - you are a leader, even if you are not a king, or warden of the north...
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
The Hound started off as a personal body guard. Then took Barristan's place in the kingsguard when Joffrey got rid of him. The Hound was never a gold cloak.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
re: the throne without quoting everyone, the focus is shifting from the throne at King's Landing to the control of the north. That seems to have actually expanded the players vying for the throne. two characters who were not mentioned in the finale whom I feel will be very significant in the upcoming season are Jorah, who was last seen casted off from Dany's world, and Ramsey along with the Bolton family in general whom I haven't figured out whether they are going to be a force against Stannis. I need to look up the family tree to see how these two families are related, a bit lost there on how the Bolton family fits into all of this.
Rick James
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
True. Cersei really threw down the gauntlet hen she stood up to her father, which surprised me and makes me think that she will continue to get stronger. But to your point, maybe the family just doesn't have the juice to hold KL alone anymore.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Yep definitely Braavos. She originally asks to go north to the wall until the captain tells her he's going to the free city of Braavos. Thats when her face lights up and she pulls out the coin.She's going to Braavos
Sabertooth
Footballguy
So we've probably seen the last of Dany's ta tas on the show huh? Big star now?
Tywin was the key to holding up the illusion that the Lannisters were rich and therefore powerful. Now he's dead and left the bankrupt family business to his twit of a daughter and carefree son who has little knowledge of the trade. If Tyrion were still around in King's Landing, perhaps he could turn them around. Alas he's not, I'd expect the Lannister's to take a Stark like tumble down the standings.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
i thought they were going north also but thinking back all he agreed to was something like "of course you will have a cabin" after seeing the coin. he didn't say he was changing his destination.Yep definitely Braavos. She originally asks to go north to the wall until the captain tells her he's going to the free city of Braavos. Thats when her face lights up and she pulls out the coin.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
I actually threw my hands in celebration when Tyrion choked out Shae. good riddance, #####.
and the music of "Rains of Castamere" playing after Tyrion put that second bolt into Tywin was amazing. I took that to mean that Tywin is done.
and the music of "Rains of Castamere" playing after Tyrion put that second bolt into Tywin was amazing. I took that to mean that Tywin is done.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
don't think he ever said they were going north. he said he was going home.i thought they were going north also but thinking back all he agreed to was something like "of course you will have a cabin" after seeing the coin. he didn't say he was changing his destination.Yep definitely Braavos. She originally asks to go north to the wall until the captain tells her he's going to the free city of Braavos. Thats when her face lights up and she pulls out the coin.
Josie Maran
Footballguy
I don't recall them ever being referred to as anything but "gold cloaks" an I never saw the Hound wearing anything but his usual black garb. Never even heard the term "white cloaks" until the post above.
Josie Maran
Footballguy
WTF? WHO THE HELL ARE THE GUYS WEARING F###ING GOLD ALL THE DAMN TIME!?!
F### this show!!!
Josie Maran
Footballguy
Yeah, I think he became a member of the Kings Guard. Maybe they were supposed to wear white cloaks.
The gold cloaks are the City Watch, which is different.
GregR
Footballguy
It would work in the same way as "a Lannister always repays his debts". Granted it's easier to hand over a Bravos coin and say a phrase than convince someone you're a noble, but manage it and you could enlist aid from those thinking the Lannisters would reward them.
But people don't do it because the phrase also means the Lannisters repay those who wrong them. The whole thing works only if they follow through on it and they make sure people hear what happened to the guy who wronged them. By doing things like coming up with the song the Rains of Castemere that tells the tale of them paying back disloyal allies.
The Faceless Men would probably work the same way. Yes you could exploit it, but most sane people wouldn't want to risk the consequences.
Josie Maran
Footballguy
From now on, I want uniforms and name tags on everyone, like work at friggin' Subway or something.
massraider
Footballguy
Clegane replaced Sir Barristan. He was, briefly, a white cloak Kingsguard.
GregR
Footballguy
If I remember right, there was a scene early on when Joffrey took over, where he named Tywin as the Hand, and kicked Barristan Selmy into forced retirement and Selmy stormed out, and then the Hound either got named to it in that scene or soon after.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Hey buddy here's a shiny nickel, "V##### monologues" now give me your boat and go fix me a turkey pot pie!
ETA: Seriously? V#####a is filtered?
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Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
I'm out!SmoovySmoov said:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Tyrion, Arya, and Jon snow are inconsequential stories????bigmarc27 said:
Chaka
Footballguy
Tyrion spent the whole season in prison and Arya spent the whole season touring Westeros with the Hound.
Neither did much in the grand scheme of Winter is coming/GoT and all that. So while their characters are clearly not inconsequential their season 4 story arcs did not go very far.
Jon Snow OTOH was a pretty major player this season.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Perhaps it's more about the journey and less about the designation. Character driven and all that jazz...
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
my guess is there are not too many of those coins floating around. I dont think its the bravosi equivalent of a nickel or something. saying the words is not enough.Greg Russell said:
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Biggest plot reveal for me this season was the Lysa/littlefinger murder of John Aryn.
But for that, ned's chillin in winterfell with a castle full of kids and direwolves.
Speaking of which, what ever happened to arya's wolf?
But for that, ned's chillin in winterfell with a castle full of kids and direwolves.
Speaking of which, what ever happened to arya's wolf?
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I think that's great and I really dig the story-lines in the show - all I was saying is that in seasons 1/2/3, major plot points moved the story. Season 4 was more intimate in its story-telling.
jamny
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
What show are you watching and/or what show do you want to watch?bigmarc27 said:
Each character/pawn is positioning themselves to grab as much or hold onto as much power as possible. It's exciting just watching how different variables comes into play, different ages and different loyalties. It'd be a pretty unimpressive show if we were told who was in power and who will be in power. This season was excellent all around.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Any reason to think the Margery/Tommen marriage happens? Cersei isn't keeping up her part of the bargain and no Tywin to push it. Obviously the lannisters still need money but will that be enough?
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I hear ya and can understand. But a few story lines have progressed or reached a mini resolution. More than you'd think:- bran completed his journey north
-arya is free
- Sansa has been freed and empowered
- the wildling threat has been neutralized
- hot pie achieved master wolf bread baker status
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Chaka
Footballguy
I thought that Ned killed the wolf that bit Joffrey.
So are Jon Snow & Bran's wolves the only ones left or is Sansa's alive too?
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Maybe the lack of a war catalyst explains some of the wanting
Chaka
Footballguy
Without Tywin and Tyrion to bring some business savvy to the table the Tyrell's are in a pretty good position to start dictating how things play out in King's Landing.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Lady, Sansa's wolf was killed in the place of nymeria on cersei's order. Nymeria bit joff
jamny
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Got it. So Arya, Jon & Bran's wolves are still alive. What about Rickon? Did he have a wolf?
