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Hey Noid, do you even watch the show?

Take that uppity attitude to the book thread!

It's a complicated show and I have only seen each episode once, so it's been 2 years since some of this stuff has come up. I'm trying to avoid spoilers by not poking around the internet when I'm confused or don't remember something.

I'm somewhere between uber-nerds with notebooks and this guy.

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Hey Noid, do you even watch the show?

Take that uppity attitude to the book thread! It's a complicated show and I have only seen each episode once, so it's been 2 years since some of this stuff has come up. I'm trying to avoid spoilers by not poking around the internet when I'm confused or don't remember something. I'm somewhere between uber-nerds with notebooks and this guy.
Pretty good wiki site, don't know for sure if it has a lot of upcoming book information in it though.http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Wiki

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Why was Bolton's bastard kept a secret on the show all season? They did this big reveal in the last episode and I just thought the whole thing was pointless. How would us knowing that was Bolton's bastard would have ruined anything?

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Why was Bolton's bastard kept a secret on the show all season? They did this big reveal in the last episode and I just thought the whole thing was pointless. How would us knowing that was Bolton's bastard would have ruined anything?

I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

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Why was Bolton's bastard kept a secret on the show all season? They did this big reveal in the last episode and I just thought the whole thing was pointless. How would us knowing that was Bolton's bastard would have ruined anything?

I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

good point

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Why was Bolton's bastard kept a secret on the show all season? They did this big reveal in the last episode and I just thought the whole thing was pointless. How would us knowing that was Bolton's bastard would have ruined anything?

I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

Eh, there's no way to really know the timeline there. The fact that he was torturing Theon, who had just betrayed the Starks, would have also given the viewer a reason to think they were still on the same side.

Bolton letting Jaime go was a much larger tipoff and they did show that.

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Why was Bolton's bastard kept a secret on the show all season? They did this big reveal in the last episode and I just thought the whole thing was pointless. How would us knowing that was Bolton's bastard would have ruined anything?

I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

Eh, there's no way to really know the timeline there. The fact that he was torturing Theon, who had just betrayed the Starks, would have also given the viewer a reason to think they were still on the same side.

Bolton letting Jaime go was a much larger tipoff and they did show that.

another good point lol

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I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

Is this correct? I didn't think anyone thought they were still alive. I remember Theon knowing they escaped, but didn't some kids later get burned to death that they assumed were the Stark kids?

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I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

Is this correct? I didn't think anyone thought they were still alive. I remember Theon knowing they escaped, but didn't some kids later get burned to death that they assumed were the Stark kids?

When Ramsey was leading him through the tunnels on his fake escape, in addition to saying that he had made a mistake, and that his real father's head was cut off at the Sept of Baelor, he also tells Ramsey that he burned orphans to make everyone think that they were the Stark children.

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I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

Is this correct? I didn't think anyone thought they were still alive. I remember Theon knowing they escaped, but didn't some kids later get burned to death that they assumed were the Stark kids?

When Ramsey was leading him through the tunnels on his fake escape, in addition to saying that he had made a mistake, and that his real father's head was cut off at the Sept of Baelor, he also tells Ramsey that he burned orphans to make everyone think that they were the Stark children.

My question is did Ramsey actually tell Roose this? Everyone is now assuming that Lord Bolton knows the Bran & Rickon are alive, but it hasn't been shown.

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I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

Is this correct? I didn't think anyone thought they were still alive. I remember Theon knowing they escaped, but didn't some kids later get burned to death that they assumed were the Stark kids?

When Ramsey was leading him through the tunnels on his fake escape, in addition to saying that he had made a mistake, and that his real father's head was cut off at the Sept of Baelor, he also tells Ramsey that he burned orphans to make everyone think that they were the Stark children.

My question is did Ramsey actually tell Roose this? Everyone is now assuming that Lord Bolton knows the Bran & Rickon are alive, but it hasn't been shown.

No, it hasn't been shown, but is assumed.

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I think they wanted to give hints that Bolton had sold Robb out without making it too obvious. If we knew Bolton's son had Theon and knew Bran/Rickon were alive, yet they were withholding this info from the Starks, it would have been another really huge hint that Bolton was double crossing the Starks.

Is this correct? I didn't think anyone thought they were still alive. I remember Theon knowing they escaped, but didn't some kids later get burned to death that they assumed were the Stark kids?

When Ramsey was leading him through the tunnels on his fake escape, in addition to saying that he had made a mistake, and that his real father's head was cut off at the Sept of Baelor, he also tells Ramsey that he burned orphans to make everyone think that they were the Stark children.

My question is did Ramsey actually tell Roose this? Everyone is now assuming that Lord Bolton knows the Bran & Rickon are alive, but it hasn't been shown.

No, it hasn't been shown, but is assumed.

That's the problem. Why is everyone assuming it? Ramsey is a bastard and probably doesn't know the ins & out of politics. Why would he send a raven to his dad telling him all about Theon's confession that he didn't kill them and they were missing? It really didn't look like Ramsey was really caring what Theon was saying at that point, just that he was emotionally already breaking down.

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That's the problem. Why is everyone assuming it? Ramsey is a bastard and probably doesn't know the ins & out of politics. Why would he send a raven to his dad telling him all about Theon's confession that he didn't kill them and they were missing? It really didn't look like Ramsey was really caring what Theon was saying at that point, just that he was emotionally already breaking down.

Didn't he specifically say something that implied he was interested in it and knew the repercussions. Something like "now I know that Bran and Rickon are still alive" or something to that effect?

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That's the problem. Why is everyone assuming it? Ramsey is a bastard and probably doesn't know the ins & out of politics. Why would he send a raven to his dad telling him all about Theon's confession that he didn't kill them and they were missing? It really didn't look like Ramsey was really caring what Theon was saying at that point, just that he was emotionally already breaking down.

Didn't he specifically say something that implied he was interested in it and knew the repercussions. Something like "now I know that Bran and Rickon are still alive" or something to that effect?

He mentioned it specifically in the next episode. That Theon had let that little juicy tidbit slip and something along the lines of he would find the boys because "my hunters are much better than yours."

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Here's a question. When Ramsay let Theon fake escape, Theon was caught by 5 guys who Ramsay then killed. Did he kill 5 of his own guys just to screw with Theon, or had someone else caught him?

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That's the problem. Why is everyone assuming it? Ramsey is a bastard and probably doesn't know the ins & out of politics. Why would he send a raven to his dad telling him all about Theon's confession that he didn't kill them and they were missing? It really didn't look like Ramsey was really caring what Theon was saying at that point, just that he was emotionally already breaking down.

Didn't he specifically say something that implied he was interested in it and knew the repercussions. Something like "now I know that Bran and Rickon are still alive" or something to that effect?

He mentioned it specifically in the next episode. That Theon had let that little juicy tidbit slip and something along the lines of he would find the boys because "my hunters are much better than yours."

Hmm, it seems I need to watch these episodes even closer! :doh:

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Here's a question. When Ramsay let Theon fake escape, Theon was caught by 5 guys who Ramsay then killed. Did he kill 5 of his own guys just to screw with Theon, or had someone else caught him?

His own guys which I think was to create this con that the bastard was saving him and allowing Theon to give this confession and to F with him.

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What is the leader of a people who have never been on boats doing at a Pirate Festival?

Wait, what are you doing at a Pirate Festival? Savvy?

Yeah, seeing Khal Drogo at the Pirate Festival was anachronistic. But oh well!

We go to the festival every year. Really fun if you have kids, too.

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Here's a question. When Ramsay let Theon fake escape, Theon was caught by 5 guys who Ramsay then killed. Did he kill 5 of his own guys just to screw with Theon, or had someone else caught him?

His own guys which I think was to create this con that the bastard was saving him and allowing Theon to give this confession and to F with him.

That's what I figured. Sucks to be one of his men.

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ok this dumb but i cant remember.... did khaleesi get pregnant from Drago?

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What is the leader of a people who have never been on boats doing at a Pirate Festival?

Wait, what are you doing at a Pirate Festival? Savvy?

Yeah, seeing Khal Drogo at the Pirate Festival was anachronistic. But oh well!

We go to the festival every year. Really fun if you have kids, too.

[inigo Voice]You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.[/inigo Voice]

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ok this dumb but i cant remember.... did khaleesi get pregnant from Drago?

Yes, but the baby died during the witch doctor's ceremony with Drogo.

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ok this dumb but i cant remember.... did khaleesi get pregnant from Drago?

Yes, but the baby died during the witch doctor's ceremony with Drogo.

ah thats right... thanks!

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Here's a question. When Ramsay let Theon fake escape, Theon was caught by 5 guys who Ramsay then killed. Did he kill 5 of his own guys just to screw with Theon, or had someone else caught him?

His own guys which I think was to create this con that the bastard was saving him and allowing Theon to give this confession and to F with him.

That's what I figured. Sucks to be one of his men.

That might have been a power play within his own family. Bastard's are generally regarded as just that, bastards with no claims to inheritance or title. Ramsey to that point was in the background and taking orders from those men that he killed. After he corralled Theon, he was giving all the orders.

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Those slaves that she just freed. They looked like a bunch of old men and women and some children. What's the plan with them? Just use them as a front line to absorb any arrows coming their way? I got the sense that the 4 dudes with her could have taken all of those slaves out without breaking a sweat.

Run trade, make goods, build ships. She's a long way from being in a position to invade Westeros.

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Here's a question. When Ramsay let Theon fake escape, Theon was caught by 5 guys who Ramsay then killed. Did he kill 5 of his own guys just to screw with Theon, or had someone else caught him?

His own guys which I think was to create this con that the bastard was saving him and allowing Theon to give this confession and to F with him.

That's what I figured. Sucks to be one of his men.

That might have been a power play within his own family. Bastard's are generally regarded as just that, bastards with no claims to inheritance or title. Ramsey to that point was in the background and taking orders from those men that he killed. After he corralled Theon, he was giving all the orders.

Roose Bolton did tell Robb he was sending his bastard to capture Theon, I took that to mean his son would be in charge there.

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Even though he was officially in charge, as a bastard he may not have been well liked or respected. Kind of similar to Theon coming home last season and no one caring what he said or about his status as heir to Balon. Or the men under his command only begrudgingly kind of following him while he was raiding or took Winterfell.

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Even though he was officially in charge, as a bastard he may not have been well liked or respected. Kind of similar to Theon coming home last season and no one caring what he said or about his status as heir to Balon. Or the men under his command only begrudgingly kind of following him while he was raiding or took Winterfell.

Theon wasnt a bastard

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Even though he was officially in charge, as a bastard he may not have been well liked or respected. Kind of similar to Theon coming home last season and no one caring what he said or about his status as heir to Balon. Or the men under his command only begrudgingly kind of following him while he was raiding or took Winterfell.

Theon wasnt a bastard

"Kind of similar." Theon was raised by Ned Stark, his father basically said he didn't know him and that his sister was more his son than he was. He gave her the most important missions ("I always wanted a castle of my own") and acted as if Theon was just some random person he barely knew. Theon's troops ended up turning him over to their enemies, they obviously didn't have much loyalty or respect for him,

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Even though he was officially in charge, as a bastard he may not have been well liked or respected. Kind of similar to Theon coming home last season and no one caring what he said or about his status as heir to Balon. Or the men under his command only begrudgingly kind of following him while he was raiding or took Winterfell.

Theon wasnt a bastard

"Kind of similar." Theon was raised by Ned Stark, his father basically said he didn't know him and that his sister was more his son than he was. He gave her the most important missions ("I always wanted a castle of my own") and acted as if Theon was just some random person he barely knew. Theon's troops ended up turning him over to their enemies, they obviously didn't have much loyalty or respect for him,

It seems like Roose holds his bastard in much higher regard than Lord Greyjoy did Theon.

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Even though he was officially in charge, as a bastard he may not have been well liked or respected. Kind of similar to Theon coming home last season and no one caring what he said or about his status as heir to Balon. Or the men under his command only begrudgingly kind of following him while he was raiding or took Winterfell.

Theon wasnt a bastard

"Kind of similar." Theon was raised by Ned Stark, his father basically said he didn't know him and that his sister was more his son than he was. He gave her the most important missions ("I always wanted a castle of my own") and acted as if Theon was just some random person he barely knew. Theon's troops ended up turning him over to their enemies, they obviously didn't have much loyalty or respect for him,

It seems like Roose holds his bastard in much higher regard than Lord Greyjoy did Theon.

Ah, family. The ties that bind.

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'Game of Thrones' casts major season 4 role: Oberyn the Red Viper -- EXCLUSIVE

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/28/thrones-red-viper-oberyn/

The most anticipated new role coming to the fourth season of Game of Thrones has been filled.

Prince Oberyn Martell will be played by Chilean actor Pedro Pascal, who has previously had arcs on CBS’ The Good Wife, ABC’s Red Widow and USA’s Graceland.

For those who haven’t read the books, here’s a spoiler-free description of the character: Oberyn is a brash, charming, cunning prince of Dorne (part of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros). His sister Elia was brutally murdered by the Lannister knight Gregor “The Mountain” Clegane when Mad King Aerys was overthrown by Robert Baratheon and the Lannisters. In season four, Oberyn comes to King’s Landing with revenge on his mind.

Also: Nearly every Thrones character has a nickname and Oberyn has one of the coolest: The Red Viper.

“This was a tough one,” say showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss about the casting. “The Red Viper is sexy and charming, yet believably dangerous; intensely likable, yet driven by hate. The boys love him, the girls love him, and he loves them all back. Unless your last name is Lannister. We found a fellow who can handle the job description and make it seem effortless. He wasn’t easy to find and he won’t be easy to stop.”

HBO hasn’t yet announced its Comic-Con plans, but if you’re headed to San Diego, it’s safe to assume Thrones will have a presence this year. Game of Thrones returns in 2014.

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Can we dedicate the next few pages to whether that "spoiler free" article was indeed spoiler free?

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Can we dedicate the next few pages to whether that "spoiler free" article was indeed spoiler free?

IMO, we need separate threads for those that read the article and those that did not.

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how can I be a most anticipated character if I don't know that character exists

I stopped reading right after that line

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That character sounds boss, I'm in even if it violates the sanctity of this thread. Take my head if need be, but Red Viper, f yeah!

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Can we dedicate the next few pages to whether that "spoiler free" article was indeed spoiler free?

IMO, we need separate threads for those that read the article and those that did not.

:lmao:

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Is this the first Martell on TV?

I think so. The only mention of them I recall is when Cerseis daughter went off to marry a Martell.

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Please. I haven't read the books either and that article didn't change anything.

Oh, it changed everything. You just don't realize it yet.

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