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Top Dynasty players 2015 (1 Viewer)
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Dynasty? No rookies, as situation will be important.
QB-Rodgers, Wilson, Cam, Ryan, Tannehill
RB-Bell, Lacy, Hill, McCoy, Mason
WR-A Brown, Hilton, Beckham, J Jones, Dez
TE-Gronk, Graham, Ertz, Kelce, Cameron
A lot of this could change, especially at RB (Murray re-signs in Dallas, he goes into the top-5; Gore retires, new HC in SF, Hyde is promising, Lynch moves on, does Turbin/Michael assume his role?) and WR (what does TB do at QB will impact Evans; who replaces Peyton in Den will impact DThomas & Sanders; does Maclin resign in Philly)
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
QB
Luck
Rodgers
Wilson
Cam
Ryan
RB
Bell
Hill
Lacy
Demarco
Charles
WR
Julio
Green
Dez
Demaryius
Beckham
TE
Gronk
Graham
Thomas
Eifert
Kelce
Luck
Rodgers
Wilson
Cam
Ryan
RB
Bell
Hill
Lacy
Demarco
Charles
WR
Julio
Green
Dez
Demaryius
Beckham
TE
Gronk
Graham
Thomas
Eifert
Kelce
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
QB:
Luck
Rodgers
Wilson
Newton
Ryan
RB:
Bell
Charles
Hill
Murray (depends on team)
Lacy
WR:
Bryant
J. Jones
A. Brown
Beckham
DT
(Green and Watkins next)
TE:
Gronk
Graham
Thomas (but would drop out if leaves DEN)
Kelce
Eifert
Luck
Rodgers
Wilson
Newton
Ryan
RB:
Bell
Charles
Hill
Murray (depends on team)
Lacy
WR:
Bryant
J. Jones
A. Brown
Beckham
DT
(Green and Watkins next)
TE:
Gronk
Graham
Thomas (but would drop out if leaves DEN)
Kelce
Eifert
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Where's Olsen in these? I'd take him easily over the likes of Ertz, Kelce, Eifert, and Cameron. None of those guys have done anything impressive up to this point. Olsen is a proven stud.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
At 30, his age is a factor for me. Also think the Panthers finally improve their receiving core.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Think it's more about the lack of other good young RBs right now.
When you look at some of the other guys, there's plenty of questions:
Foster - Can't stay healthy anymore
Forte - Pushing 30 and may have a new offense
Peterson - Where does he play?
Murray - Where does he play?
Hyde - More than likely a new offense
Ingram - Where does he play?
How can you confidently put any of those guys in the top 5 next year? And honestly, I think Bell and Lacy are top 5 locks, but I could understand if you wanted to put Charles and McCoy lower. RB is a mess going forward.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Look at the lists, a lot of them have guys that just produced last week. it is a case of what have you done lately.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Actually TE is a huge part of Kelly's offense, however you have to be a good blocker and Ertz isn't. Celek is, but he isn't nearly as skilled as a receiver as Ertz.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I guess I meant in the passing game. I could see Ertz hanging around the top 10 next year, I just don't buy him as a top 5 option.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Judging by what he did before he got hurt and by what Gresham did this year, I think he'll be a big part of the offense. Also on receiving ability alone, I think Eifert is only behind Gronk and Graham. How soon people forget how highly rated he was coming out of school.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
They are a huge part of the passing game too, the problem Celek is an average pass catching tight end, if Ertz could block better he would be in there more. Kelly likes to use a lot of deception and flexibility on offense. It is hard to do when Ertz is in there because he is a poor blocker
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I view these lists like I'd draft in a start up. Obviously, a guy like Charles has more value to a team that's already a contender. But I think drafting a back his age in a start up is a bad idea. I'd rather have a 22 year old Hill. RB landscape in really baron for good guys who have proved something under 26 years old. It's pretty much Bell, Hill and Lacy.
Lets give this a whirl....
QB - Rodgers, Luck, Wilson,Brady, Brees (barely), Ryan
RB - Le'Veon, Charles, Demarco,Lynch (if he doesn't retire lol), McCoy (bounceback candidate), Lacy
WR - Antonio, Julio,Jordy, AJ, Dez, ODB
TE - Gronk, Jimmy, Kelce,Gates (immortal), Olsen, Julius
EDIT:
More dynasty friendly now I guess.
QB - Rodgers, Luck, Wilson,
RB - Le'Veon, Charles, Demarco,
WR - Antonio, Julio,
TE - Gronk, Jimmy, Kelce,
EDIT:
More dynasty friendly now I guess.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
qb - Luck, Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Ryan
rb - Bell, Lacy, McCoy, Miller, Hill
wr - Beckham, Brown, Dez, Julio, DT
te - Gronk, Graham, Kelce, JT, Eifert
I never think more than 3 years out for dynasty because too many things change
rb - Bell, Lacy, McCoy, Miller, Hill
wr - Beckham, Brown, Dez, Julio, DT
te - Gronk, Graham, Kelce, JT, Eifert
I never think more than 3 years out for dynasty because too many things change
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Ertz has one good game this season.......Saturday. Has he even had one prior in his short career? No way I want him as my #1.
zamboni
Footballguy
True -Ertz had a big game because the Eagles exploited the Redskins LB corps. Problem is the Eagles typically have a one-TE formation, which is why Ertz doesn't get a ton of snaps.
If Celek leaves, Ertz's value shoots up, but Celek is signed through 2015 so Ertz may be a part-time player again next year.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Some of these rankings remind me that drafting is a skill.
Luck-absolutely QB1, bump everyone else down, drop Tannehill. Don't know how I forgot him.
Hilton in, he's young, the #1 WR, has great tools & has a great QB. Green's QB situation worries me.
Since Gio got hurt & they had to use him, he's earned more work, even after Gio returned. He averaged less than 8 carries/game before Gio's injury, 21 carries while Gio was hurt, and 18 carries/game since Gio's been back.
Assuming that he gets 18 carries/game in a timeshare with Gio, that's 288 carries in a season, and it stands to reason that Hill will get the bulk of the GL opportunities. So, even if you assume Hill's production hasn't earned him a bigger share of the pie, the share he is getting now is enough to warrant having him ranked highly in a dynasty format.
jurb26
Footballguy
Greens QB situation is far from ideal, but he's proven year after year he can and will produce despite it. I have a hard time placing him out of the top 5, especially for a lesser tier talent like Hilton. The WR crop in current dynasty/NFL is about as good as it's ever been though... Rules have driven this IMO. So, it's extremely hard to pick a top 5 and therefor also hard to complain with anyone being out of it.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
One injury marred season knocks Calvin out of everyone's top 5 WR rankings? He's only 29.
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I've been making this argument all year. No way I'd take AJ Green or Dez over him. DT and Julio might get consideration, but Julio has been more injury prone thus far in his career. ODB just doesn't have the track record yet. I'd like to see another years production to evaluate that one.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
It is a combo of things for me.
1. His age, he will 30 around the time the season starts next year.
2. Injuries, he is a freak, but I wonder how long a 30 year old receiver can move that well carrying around 240 lbs, he gets dinged up every year and every year it takes longer for him to recover. He also isn't a great route runner, he dominates on the fact he is a freak that is 6'5" 240lb that is that fast.
3. His contract. On local radio they have talked about how after next season he no longer has any guarantees in his contract. His cap hit is huge too.
4. The talent at receiver. The new rules make life as a receiver a lot easier and it has made the position so deep. So in a dynasty league I am taking the younger guy that is in his prime or about to hit his prime over Calvin. 3 years from now Calvin won't be worth what a Dez, OBJ, Julio and others are worth and they have just as good of chance at finishing as a top 5 wr as Calvin for the next 3 years.
With all that said he is still top 10 for me
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Some of these rankings make me think that everyone shouldn't just follow the norm and think for themselves. It's a dynasty, you're the one that lives with the players.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Luck, Rodgers, Stafford, Ryan, Wilson
Demarco, Bell, McCoy, Charles, Lacy
A Brown, Julio, AJ, Dez, DT
Gronk, Jimmy, Julius, Olsen, Cameron
Demarco, Bell, McCoy, Charles, Lacy
A Brown, Julio, AJ, Dez, DT
Gronk, Jimmy, Julius, Olsen, Cameron
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Josh Gordon also not getting top 5 love here
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I like Gordon as much as the next person, well maybe not as much as Soulfly. Why reach for him though? In start ups next year he is probably going to be wr 10 to 15 off the board. So if I have the 3rd pick and Leveon Bell is sitting there, I take him or Dez and then get Gordon in the late second.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
These are the guys that I would tentatively consider top tier players for 2015 dynasty startups:
Andrew Luck
Aaron Rodgers
LeVeon Bell
Demaryius Thomas
Julio Jones
AJ Green
Dez Bryant
Antonio Brown
Odell Beckham
Jimmy Graham
Rob Gronkowski
Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans are knocking on the door. There's less of a trust factor there than with the more established guys. If you're thinking immediate impact only, I think you can find room for Calvin and Jordy here. Both guys are hitting an age where they're no longer going to be coveted by all dynasty owners.
I've never been a huge LeVeon Bell fan, but he's a pretty safe investment now after two strong FF seasons. You'll be able to trade him at a high value next season if you're worried that his rushing performance will regress back to its 2013 levels. On the whole, I don't think there are a lot of elite FF backs out there right now. I'm not eating the cheese on DeMarco Murray. He turns 27 soon, has been overworked this season, and has a long history of getting injured. I think this is the perfect offseason to cash out, not buy in.
Andrew Luck
Aaron Rodgers
LeVeon Bell
Demaryius Thomas
Julio Jones
AJ Green
Dez Bryant
Antonio Brown
Odell Beckham
Jimmy Graham
Rob Gronkowski
Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans are knocking on the door. There's less of a trust factor there than with the more established guys. If you're thinking immediate impact only, I think you can find room for Calvin and Jordy here. Both guys are hitting an age where they're no longer going to be coveted by all dynasty owners.
I've never been a huge LeVeon Bell fan, but he's a pretty safe investment now after two strong FF seasons. You'll be able to trade him at a high value next season if you're worried that his rushing performance will regress back to its 2013 levels. On the whole, I don't think there are a lot of elite FF backs out there right now. I'm not eating the cheese on DeMarco Murray. He turns 27 soon, has been overworked this season, and has a long history of getting injured. I think this is the perfect offseason to cash out, not buy in.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
can't tell if it's the injuries or age, but he didn't appear to have some dominant explosion. Wheels fall off guys fast...
Not sure how much think could be involved with this. There is no comparison. One is a man who can maul Richard Sherman on a fly pattern and the other is a flea who is hard to see among the linebackers.
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Slider
Footballguy
I wasn't comparing them. It was more comparing value to a 2015 dynasty roster. I think the what have you done for me lately comes into play too much.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Mike Evans has entered superhype. He's a big target, but another term that refers to him is inconsistent. He posted big #s 3 straight weeks, and now he's a "stud." In no way is he even top 10 at this point.
ryno1980
Footballguy
Julio is another big guy, only 20 pounds lighter, and he's missed 17 games, nearly 20 percent of his team's games. Is he going to be more durable as he ages?? Demariyus, 229 pounds, has had serious injuries also and is less than 2 years younger than Calvin. They're all pretty equal, just a matter of preferring youth in dynasty, but Johnson's still a top 10 fantasy player overall in the short term (next 3-4). I'd only put Antonio Brown and Dez in front of him as far as that time frame.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Julio is a bad example, but Calvin was pretty durable until the last few years. When Dez gets near that age I would rank him lower too. Am I going to miss out on a guy here or there that breaks the norm? Sure, but more times than not you will sell/draft at highest value.
fredsavage
Footballguy
Inconsistent lol, he has 10 TDs as a rookie and 1000 yardsish. If anyone's inconsistent it's TB oline and qb. He's not just a big target, dude has legit skills to go with size speed combo
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Point taken. I hadn't look at his final numbers, but I did check out his week to week points as a non-owner. The inconsistency is there on a weekly basis. His #s are very Chad Johnsonesque. Johnson was a monster some weeks of the season, but was nowhere to be seen others. While I understand no player puts up stud numbers every week, there are some who are extremely consistent. I don't see that in this rookie enough for me to take him top 10. Maybe I miss the bus, but I can live with that.
EBF
Footballguy
Not that it really matters, but I don't think Chad Johnson was really a feast-or-famine player. During his six consecutive 1000+ yard seasons from 2002-2007, he had at least 50 receiving yards in 77 out of 96 games, which is slightly more than 80%. I don't know where the feast-or-famine rap came from, but I had him on one of my teams back in the day and he was as reliable as anyone. Money in the bank every season. Never quite the same after the injury-plagued 2008.SproutDaddy said:
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Chad got that rap from his 2006 season, where people were benching him by mid-season, only to see him rattle off two MONSTER games and put him back into their lineup, at which point he turned into a pumpkin again. He put up 560/5 in a three game stretch that year, and 800/2 in the other 13 games.
Granted however, I agree that it doesn't apply to his whole career.
