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You are comparing a 3rd round receiver that was probably the 15th or so receiver off the board, and buried behind Cooper, Maclin, Matthews on the depth chart to a quarterback that is going in the first round?
But would you be ok with using a 2nd rounder on a QB project? That's what makes me sick.
I agree but its not as significant as people think.
If Kelly thinks Mariota isn't the guy he won't trade up to draft him. We are message board posters, we are basing our conversations on hypotheticals and assumptions. We assume Kelly loves the guy based on his public comments about him.
The bold is exactly what makes it shallow. Do you really expect him to say something negative about him or ANY former Oregon player? If you're discussing who we're picking based on what Chip has, or would say, about any players he's coached or recruited than we're picking them all. Go read how he talked about Huff and Hart from a year ago. If youre going just off of that they should have, or would have been picked ahead of Smith and Matthews.
Kelly owes nothing to Mariotta. Look at what Carroll did to Taylor Mays a few years ago, told him he was going to draft him and then took one of the safeties he has now. Kelly already knows if he thinks Mariotta will make it in the league or not, he can think it and not tell anyone. If he knows Mariotta is the guy then he makes the move to get him, if he doesn't think it he just stays where he is and when the public asks he can say it was just too much to move up to get him and it would have ruined our team.
These are not related. Kelly pumping Mariota up and saying great things are just what coaches do...pretty much all the time. If Andy Reid were asked his thoughts on Reno Mahee he would have nothing but nice things to say as well. I find it a little odd that I have to explain this.
It doesn't make it shallow if you look at how Kelly praises Nick Foles. He gives him only coach-speak praise. You can tell by the enthusiasm in his voice that he really, truly like Mariota as a person and a player. Foles is more like the red-headed step-child.
I think there's a Scenario 4
Not really, but if a guy projected to be an early first slide to the 20th, or if a guy projected late1st/early 2nd slides to the late 2nd, I wouldn't be "sick" to see them take him. I wouldn't be thrilled, but I'd get over it easily enough.
That could happen too, but that makes Foles still a likely starter (or in a competition to be a starter) for 2015 with whatever his new team would be. Lets say it's one of the top teams that need a QB, making it Buccs/Titans/Jets/Rams/Browns/Texans/Bills all of whom are infront of the Eagles. Worst case he'd be in competition with Bradford or Mallett, and there would be a chance he could do that. Other than that he'd be a day 1 starter for those teams. Any way you slice it he's still a valuable QB to own on your dynasty teams.
I just don't understand those that don't want to make a trade up for Mariota but then spend a 2nd rounder on a lesser QB. Thats telling me they think QB is a need/hole. If that's the case then get the best one possible for your offense. If not then you're good with Foles and you draft all defense or OLine, what's really needed.
There's still a potential "need" at the backup QB spot, and having a little bit of competition at QB is never a bad thing. There are much bigger needs in Philly though, which is why I'd prefer not to go QB this year, instead planning on Foles with Sanchez backing him up. That said, if a great value presents itself, particularly if it's a player Chip really likes, I wouldn't go sideways taking a QB with one of our SCHEDULED picks.Billy Bats said:
That obviously played a huge role but I thought both teams played incredible D. Both QB's looked pretty average to below average and up until that last drive by GB I dont think they had a 4th quarter first down
haha ya, was mostly kidding on the edit.
Yea Randall you know the other guy who's not worth me tioning that's gone 14-4 with 39 TDs and 12 picks so far for Kelly. Yea let's just forget whatshisface.
Get Scott Frost. Because Chip Kelly.
Seems like he is describing Foles, as far as personality. And didn't a fight break out on the field when Baker took the cheap shot on Foles early in the season? C'mon Randall, you're going to have to do better than that to convince me that Mariota is better than Foles.
As the article points out, the only way this happens is if he slips. Even then, it will probably be too costly.Oh no....
Report: Eagles to try to move up for Mariota
A source tells NJ.com that the Eagles will "try" to move up in the NFL draft to select Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
NJ.com's source is "familiar with the Eagles' offseason plans." Of course, anyone can connect the dots from coach Chip Kelly to Mariota. Kelly recruited Mariota to Oregon, called him the most talented kid he ever coached in college and immobile Nick Foles was shaky before getting injured last season. Moving up from No. 20 in the draft to the top-two would be extremely costly (as the Redskins found out in the RG3 trade), but it's possible Mariota slips a bit as the draft process plays out.
True, but what if he goes to 3. Would Jax take this year's 2nd and next year's 1st? (plus our first this year of course)As the article points out, the only way this happens is if he slips. Even then, it will probably be too costly.Oh no....
Report: Eagles to try to move up for Mariota
A source tells NJ.com that the Eagles will "try" to move up in the NFL draft to select Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
NJ.com's source is "familiar with the Eagles' offseason plans." Of course, anyone can connect the dots from coach Chip Kelly to Mariota. Kelly recruited Mariota to Oregon, called him the most talented kid he ever coached in college and immobile Nick Foles was shaky before getting injured last season. Moving up from No. 20 in the draft to the top-two would be extremely costly (as the Redskins found out in the RG3 trade), but it's possible Mariota slips a bit as the draft process plays out.
No. It would take a swap of 1sts, 2 additional 1st and probably more (not sure what). Even then, it would probably be more tempting to take a similar package from a team in the top 10 because the future picks have a higher chance of being better. Even if Mariota didn't play a down for Philly this year they're probably drafting in the late teens early 20s.Deamon said:True, but what if he goes to 3. Would Jax take this year's 2nd and next year's 1st? (plus our first this year of course)Snotbubbles said:As the article points out, the only way this happens is if he slips. Even then, it will probably be too costly.Deamon said:Oh no....
Report: Eagles to try to move up for Mariota
A source tells NJ.com that the Eagles will "try" to move up in the NFL draft to select Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
NJ.com's source is "familiar with the Eagles' offseason plans." Of course, anyone can connect the dots from coach Chip Kelly to Mariota. Kelly recruited Mariota to Oregon, called him the most talented kid he ever coached in college and immobile Nick Foles was shaky before getting injured last season. Moving up from No. 20 in the draft to the top-two would be extremely costly (as the Redskins found out in the RG3 trade), but it's possible Mariota slips a bit as the draft process plays out.
I would think Petty can be had later. Still would like a CB or OL in round one and two.
Yup, Petty is not that good and should be 3rd or later.
Draft a QB every year and even more so when you only have Barkley as a back-up...
