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On NPR yesterday they had a professor on who did a study of people choosing to use deadly force when confronted with black or white threats. The "threats" either were either legitimate (holding a gun), or harmless (holding a wallet or cell phone). On average the participants fired more often and in a shorter amount of time at the black threats rather than the white ones. This included participants who were themselves African-American (I can't remember if the participants were police officers or just regular citizens).

To me this illustrates how this is a thornier issue than mere racism. While the idea of profiling may be distasteful, unethical and possibly even illegal, it appears to be an integral part of how we, as humans, process the world around us. For whatever reason black men are perceived as more threatening, even to other blacks.

I am in no way defending what this officer did, he may be a simple redneck racist for all I know. I'm just pointing out that the issue of race in these shootings may be more complicated than white cops being racist or not. They may just be human. Solving this problem might be much more difficult than simply weeding out the "bad apples".

As an aside, they also had a black officer on who was involved in some of the sensitivity (or whatever it's called) training that always seems to follow in the wake of these shootings. He said it was a waste of time. It seems to serve more as a means to placate the community outrage than anything.

I'm trying to find a link to this but it's proving more challenging than I imagined. It was certainly thought provoking.

I don't really see how what you wrote there doesn't equal racism.

This is why people don't want to have a conversation about race in this country.

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On NPR yesterday they had a professor on who did a study of people choosing to use deadly force when confronted with black or white threats. The "threats" either were either legitimate (holding a gun), or harmless (holding a wallet or cell phone). On average the participants fired more often and in a shorter amount of time at the black threats rather than the white ones. This included participants who were themselves African-American (I can't remember if the participants were police officers or just regular citizens).

To me this illustrates how this is a thornier issue than mere racism. While the idea of profiling may be distasteful, unethical and possibly even illegal, it appears to be an integral part of how we, as humans, process the world around us. For whatever reason black men are perceived as more threatening, even to other blacks.

I am in no way defending what this officer did, he may be a simple redneck racist for all I know. I'm just pointing out that the issue of race in these shootings may be more complicated than white cops being racist or not. They may just be human. Solving this problem might be much more difficult than simply weeding out the "bad apples".

As an aside, they also had a black officer on who was involved in some of the sensitivity (or whatever it's called) training that always seems to follow in the wake of these shootings. He said it was a waste of time. It seems to serve more as a means to placate the community outrage than anything.

I'm trying to find a link to this but it's proving more challenging than I imagined. It was certainly thought provoking.

Yeah, I think most people would admit that a person can be racist without walking around and yelling the n-word, and those more subtle types of racism can really impact our behaviors. It's an interesting experience to take the Implicit Bias Test, particularly the test about race.

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On NPR yesterday they had a professor on who did a study of people choosing to use deadly force when confronted with black or white threats. The "threats" either were either legitimate (holding a gun), or harmless (holding a wallet or cell phone). On average the participants fired more often and in a shorter amount of time at the black threats rather than the white ones. This included participants who were themselves African-American (I can't remember if the participants were police officers or just regular citizens).

To me this illustrates how this is a thornier issue than mere racism. While the idea of profiling may be distasteful, unethical and possibly even illegal, it appears to be an integral part of how we, as humans, process the world around us. For whatever reason black men are perceived as more threatening, even to other blacks.

I am in no way defending what this officer did, he may be a simple redneck racist for all I know. I'm just pointing out that the issue of race in these shootings may be more complicated than white cops being racist or not. They may just be human. Solving this problem might be much more difficult than simply weeding out the "bad apples".

As an aside, they also had a black officer on who was involved in some of the sensitivity (or whatever it's called) training that always seems to follow in the wake of these shootings. He said it was a waste of time. It seems to serve more as a means to placate the community outrage than anything.

I'm trying to find a link to this but it's proving more challenging than I imagined. It was certainly thought provoking.

I don't really see how what you wrote there doesn't equal racism.

Unconscious racism, perhaps. But if everyone is unconsciously racist it ceases to have any meaning, at least in the traditional sense. Can one be racist against one's own race?

What you describe is unconscious, covert and/or institutional racism. And yes, one can be racist against their own race.

If many people in this country seem to be willing to be more violent with a specific race based on a conscious or unconscious belief or prejudice, that is racism. And we should definitely look into the reasons why that is. People are too often looking for some overt racist act but most of the racism today is unconscious or embedded in the institutions. Its not as simple as KKK hanging someone. And as a result you have a disconnect where people think others are pulling the race card too quickly when they are really upset about the more overt racism and the issues that lead to it or enable it to continue.

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Dash cam (not sure whether it's been posted yet):

http://youtu.be/MYaYdaFFLoQ

Interesting that the officer yells "Tazer! Tazer! Tazer!" as he's chasing Scott. Unclear whether he discharged it or not during the pursuit.

Also, Everlast soundtrack is a nice touch.

Edit: to fix bonehead musical reference

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

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On NPR yesterday they had a professor on who did a study of people choosing to use deadly force when confronted with black or white threats. The "threats" either were either legitimate (holding a gun), or harmless (holding a wallet or cell phone). On average the participants fired more often and in a shorter amount of time at the black threats rather than the white ones. This included participants who were themselves African-American (I can't remember if the participants were police officers or just regular citizens).

To me this illustrates how this is a thornier issue than mere racism. While the idea of profiling may be distasteful, unethical and possibly even illegal, it appears to be an integral part of how we, as humans, process the world around us. For whatever reason black men are perceived as more threatening, even to other blacks.

I am in no way defending what this officer did, he may be a simple redneck racist for all I know. I'm just pointing out that the issue of race in these shootings may be more complicated than white cops being racist or not. They may just be human. Solving this problem might be much more difficult than simply weeding out the "bad apples".

As an aside, they also had a black officer on who was involved in some of the sensitivity (or whatever it's called) training that always seems to follow in the wake of these shootings. He said it was a waste of time. It seems to serve more as a means to placate the community outrage than anything.

I'm trying to find a link to this but it's proving more challenging than I imagined. It was certainly thought provoking.

I don't really see how what you wrote there doesn't equal racism.

This is why people don't want to have a conversation about race in this country.

If processing danger, a primal human instinct, is racist then racism becomes nothing more than a process of self-flagellation.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

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Dash cam (not sure whether it's been posted yet):

http://youtu.be/MYaYdaFFLoQ

Interesting that the officer yells "Tazer! Tazer! Tazer!" as he's chasing Scott. Unclear whether he discharged it or not during the pursuit.

Also, Sublime soundtrack is a nice touch.

I'm amazed at the people who can't put 2+2 together.

The Nancy Grace clown show raised the bar on stupidity last night. They could not take the witnesses account and this video and lay out what happened. The witness said the cop had control of the situation on the ground but then the guy got away. That means, dummies, that he did in fact catch up to him. He tazed him since the wire are clearly visible stretching out. She really could use a punch in the forehead. Odds are he tazed him on the run and it dropped him like a sack of potatoes and then the cop jumped on him. How hard is that to figure out?

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Like I've been saying from the beginning and got backlash on this board cops are using the "I feared for my life and he grabbed my weapon" excuse and you guys ate it up.

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On NPR yesterday they had a professor on who did a study of people choosing to use deadly force when confronted with black or white threats. The "threats" either were either legitimate (holding a gun), or harmless (holding a wallet or cell phone). On average the participants fired more often and in a shorter amount of time at the black threats rather than the white ones. This included participants who were themselves African-American (I can't remember if the participants were police officers or just regular citizens).

To me this illustrates how this is a thornier issue than mere racism. While the idea of profiling may be distasteful, unethical and possibly even illegal, it appears to be an integral part of how we, as humans, process the world around us. For whatever reason black men are perceived as more threatening, even to other blacks.

I am in no way defending what this officer did, he may be a simple redneck racist for all I know. I'm just pointing out that the issue of race in these shootings may be more complicated than white cops being racist or not. They may just be human. Solving this problem might be much more difficult than simply weeding out the "bad apples".

As an aside, they also had a black officer on who was involved in some of the sensitivity (or whatever it's called) training that always seems to follow in the wake of these shootings. He said it was a waste of time. It seems to serve more as a means to placate the community outrage than anything.

I'm trying to find a link to this but it's proving more challenging than I imagined. It was certainly thought provoking.

I don't really see how what you wrote there doesn't equal racism.

Human beings profile whether it's skin color, dress, posture, facial expressions, hair style, etc. We're all one race FTR.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

Actually, statistically speaking, blacks and whites use some illegal drugs at similar rates, with whites using at higher rates for some drugs. But blacks are arrested and convicted at much higher rates for crimes related to those drugs. Draw your own conclusions.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

Actually, statistically speaking, blacks and whites use some illegal drugs at similar rates, with whites using at higher rates for some drugs. But blacks are arrested and convicted at much higher rates for crimes related to those drugs. Draw your own conclusions.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

Actually, statistically speaking, blacks and whites use some illegal drugs at similar rates, with whites using at higher rates for some drugs. But blacks are arrested and convicted at much higher rates for crimes related to those drugs. Draw your own conclusions.

And those convictions lead to statistics which lead to people using those statistics to justify more profiling or possibly killing......

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

Actually, statistically speaking, blacks and whites use some illegal drugs at similar rates, with whites using at higher rates for some drugs. But blacks are arrested and convicted at much higher rates for crimes related to those drugs. Draw your own conclusions.

So

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

Actually, statistically speaking, blacks and whites use some illegal drugs at similar rates, with whites using at higher rates for some drugs. But blacks are arrested and convicted at much higher rates for crimes related to those drugs. Draw your own conclusions.

And those convictions lead to statistics which lead to people using those statistics to justify more profiling or possibly killing......

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Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

The topic should be non-race specific and target general abuse by some police officers. I think that would be more productive. Unfortunately, because of the prevelence of black crime, police do harrass innocent blacks more often than whites. But I think if the issue of police conduct is addressed in general terms, it will translate into everyone being treated better.

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Like jon_mKooK.

If you could articulate a point, you might actually be worth engaging.

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Like jon_mKooK.

If you could articulate a point, you might actually be worth engaging.

still :goodposting:

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What if during the struggle with the cop, the black guy said he was going to kill the wife and the kids, and the cop really believed he was running off to go and kill the wife and kids and the cop was too exhausted to stop him? Would that matter?

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

Actually, statistically speaking, blacks and whites use some illegal drugs at similar rates, with whites using at higher rates for some drugs. But blacks are arrested and convicted at much higher rates for crimes related to those drugs. Draw your own conclusions.

My conclusion would be that blacks use those drugs, disproportionally to whites, in areas where their illegal conduct is disproportionally more readily observed by law enforcement. It is not use which leads to arrest and conviction, but rather observation of that use by law enforcement which does.

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Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

The topic should be non-race specific and target general abuse by some police officers. I think that would be more productive. Unfortunately, because of the prevelence of black crime, police do harrass innocent blacks more often than whites. But I think if the issue of police conduct is addressed in general terms, it will translate into everyone being treated better.

unless the "prevalence of black crime" is a myth which is propagated by the police targeting black people more

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What if during the struggle with the cop, the black guy said he was going to kill the wife and the kids, and the cop really believed he was running off to go and kill the wife and kids and the cop was too exhausted to stop him? Would that matter?

what if the cop said "I am going to let you run then shoot you in the back"

what if there was another black man with a gun to a child's head and he told the cop to shoot the first black man or the kid dies?

WHAT IF the guy running away was possessed by a demon?

WHAT IF THE COP WAS AN ALIEN (from space, not another country)????

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Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

The topic should be non-race specific and target general abuse by some police officers. I think that would be more productive. Unfortunately, because of the prevelence of black crime, police do harrass innocent blacks more often than whites. But I think if the issue of police conduct is addressed in general terms, it will translate into everyone being treated better.

unless the "prevalence of black crime" is a myth which is propagated by the police targeting black people more

I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back. :popcorn:

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

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My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

Actually, statistically speaking, blacks and whites use some illegal drugs at similar rates, with whites using at higher rates for some drugs. But blacks are arrested and convicted at much higher rates for crimes related to those drugs. Draw your own conclusions.

My conclusion would be that blacks use those drugs, disproportionally to whites, in areas where their illegal conduct is disproportionally more readily observed by law enforcement. It is not use which leads to arrest and conviction, but rather observation of that use by law enforcement which does.

Is that because law enforcement is disproportionately targeting those areas?

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What if during the struggle with the cop, the black guy said he was going to kill the wife and the kids, and the cop really believed he was running off to go and kill the wife and kids and the cop was too exhausted to stop him? Would that matter?

Not to me. If the cop was disabled, if his communications were out, if the black male had a weapon, if other officers were not all over the vicinity on foot and in police cruisers with sirens audible, and if the wife and kids were nearby and known, or at least thought to be home or where the male could find them, then, maybe it begins to change matters, but simply on the statement, absolutely not.

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Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

The topic should be non-race specific and target general abuse by some police officers. I think that would be more productive. Unfortunately, because of the prevelence of black crime, police do harrass innocent blacks more often than whites. But I think if the issue of police conduct is addressed in general terms, it will translate into everyone being treated better.

unless the "prevalence of black crime" is a myth which is propagated by the police targeting black people more

I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back. :popcorn:

I'd suggest that's a very poor way to indict a race as somehow inherently criminal.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

I think that's the thing. I don't think cops think all black people are dangerous but when they go into a ghetto part of town with predominately black population they are going have their guard up. Is that racist? I don't think so.

But this type of thing happens on all types of neighborhoods. We have seen plenty of times a minority in a nice neighborhood be profiled for example. I believe there are also studies where in the same part of town police tend to be more violent with minorities. What about the studies that show that resumes with "black" names being less likely to get an interview. They aren't likely saying they are black, i don't want to interview them. But if subconsciously this is the case, its racism. Its not just cops that seem to be the problem, its just that this unconscious racism at the hand of a cop, due to what they do can result in death, which is a much more noticeable problem then not being hired, or not being allowed to rent an apartment.

Unfortunately i don't think there is an easy way to solve this problem.

Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

Actually, statistically speaking, blacks and whites use some illegal drugs at similar rates, with whites using at higher rates for some drugs. But blacks are arrested and convicted at much higher rates for crimes related to those drugs. Draw your own conclusions.

My conclusion would be that blacks use those drugs, disproportionally to whites, in areas where their illegal conduct is disproportionally more readily observed by law enforcement. It is not use which leads to arrest and conviction, but rather observation of that use by law enforcement which does.

Is that because law enforcement is disproportionately targeting those areas?

Yes. I say that because the areas are more public areas. It is fairly difficult for law enforcement to know what is going on in a single family suburban or rural home. It is far easier to observe actions at clubs, in cars, at urban parks, and in multifamily urban housing where neighbors are more apt to call in complaints. I believe the demographics associated with urban/suburban-rural splits, and home ownership account for much of the disparity. I am not, however, going to argue that this fully explains it. Rather my position is that the original argument is specious and does not begin to account for all variables.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

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But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

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Statistically speaking blacks commit more crimes than other races, correct? Inevitably this is going to lead to profiling. I don't know how you avoid that.

That's why I just wish we could discuss excessive use of force separate from the race issue. Show me a cop harassing a minority that's not resisting arrest, running, escalating the situation, etc and I'm right there on their side with everyone else.

The topic should be non-race specific and target general abuse by some police officers. I think that would be more productive. Unfortunately, because of the prevelence of black crime, police do harrass innocent blacks more often than whites. But I think if the issue of police conduct is addressed in general terms, it will translate into everyone being treated better.

unless the "prevalence of black crime" is a myth which is propagated by the police targeting black people more

I suggest you take a late night stroll down the streets of south Chicago and test your theory. Report back. :popcorn:

Dude, we get it. You don't like black people and think they are all criminals.

Give it a rest.

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Martin and Brown Attorney: How Many More Videos Will It Take, America?

Benjamin Crump April 8, 2015

(Benjamin Crump is an attorney who represents the families of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Tamir Rice.)

We must stop taking the standard police narrative at face value

What started out as a routine traffic stop quickly escalated into the death of Walter Scott. The city of North Charleston, S.C., was all too willing to accept the officers version of events, even though the physical evidence clearly showed that the officer had fired eight shots, with four of the eight shots fired hitting Scott in the back.

Far too often the police come up with the same narrative: I felt threatened, I felt afraid, the victim struggled with me, he reached for my gun. This is the same old story from officers that shoot unarmed black men. If not for the video, the officer would have been believed and his story would never have been questioned by the justice system or city officials.

Ive represented dozens of families of unarmed people of color who have been killed by police officers. And if I had a dollar for every time the reason given by the police was that they reached for my weapon or they attacked me and I felt in fear for my life, I wouldnt have enough room in my pockets. Whats sad is how often the police narrative is accepted, with no one but the family raising questions. The death of an unarmed individual is swept under the rug. Walter Scotts death was well on the way to being swept under the rugbut for the video. Therein lies the problem.

This video was shocking to much of America, but for many of us it was a scene we have experienced so many times in our communities that we werent shocked at all. When I saw it, I imagined how many times evidence has been planted, how ­many times untrue stories have been given as official statements, to help justify the killing of innocent people of color. Without the video it would be difficult for us to ascertain exactly what did occur, the mayor of the North Charleston, Keith Summey, said. But is that really true? I do not agree that it would be difficult. An unarmed black man is shot multiple times from behind while he is fleeing from an officer? That does not point to justified use of deadly force.

If this video shocked you, how about the video of the beating of Floyd Dent in Inkster, Mich., or the video of the fatal shooting of Tamir Rice in Cleveland, Ohio? What about the video of the shooting of Antonio Zambrano-Montes in Pasco, Washington, and the video of the beating of Alesia Thomas, in Los Angeles, both of whom later died?

Why are we still automatically accepting the police narrative? How many shocking videos of police misconduct do we need to show you, America, before you quit accepting the narrative?

North Charleston Police Chief Eddie Driggers, referring to his officers, said, One does not throw a blanket across the many. I agree with this statement. It should also apply to black men and all people of color.

There is a blanket of distrust, disrespect and indifference that has been thrown across black men in America. And it is resulting in too many deaths at hands of armed police officers who claim they are afraid

Stop doing stupid things around cops!

Floyd Dent - WTH are you doing trying to open your door on a traffic stop?

Tamir Rice - don't play with toy guns in public and certainly don't reach for it when the cops arrive.

Antonio Zambrano-Montes - WTH are you throwing rocks when cops have their guns pointed at you?

Alesia Thomas - don't resist arrest - cops have no sense of appropriate force and treat every suspect like they're Marshawn Lynch. Also, don't abandon your kids at the police station.

Are you ####### kidding me with the Tamir Rice incident?

You have grown ### men walking around in public with AR-15’s in Texas yet they managed not to get shot to death.

Some crazy old dude in Michigan holding a gun and daring the police to shoot him yet he doesn’t get shot to death

But a 12 year old playing with a ####### toy gets gunned down and you blame him for being a ####### 12 year old kid.

You are a ####### ####### rhymes with ducking basswhole

I guess the city of Cleveland is a ducking basswhole, too:

In the court filing, which was a formal response from the city to a federal lawsuit by the Rice family, city attorneys declare that Tamir and his family “were directly and proximately caused by their own acts. . .,” and added that Tamir caused his own death “by the failure. . . to exercise due care to avoid injury.”

Yes as it relates to this incident they most certainly are

A 12 year old kid caused his own death by playing with a toy in the park ....what a bunch of bull####

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

ETA: for reference

But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

Not sure I get what you're saying here. Please, tell me more about Pinky's "conscious racism" as evidenced by his use of a black movie character in his avatar.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

ETA: for reference

But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

Not necessarily, which is why i think its very difficult to ascertain whether a person doing something is racist, or the result is due to some more unconscious form of racism or a racist process or institution that promotes practices that lead to discrimination by race. Or none of the above. If i met one black person in my life, that doesn't necessarily wipe out those more unconscious thoughts or practices.

Same argument goes for how blacks feel about(and pre-judge) cops. Most unconsciously fear them due to not much exposure to cops outside of being profiled and or witnessing these violent encounters in their communities. If there was more interaction and they had the chance to see/meet the good ones and interact at times when they aren't being profiled that might change their unconscious fear. Maybe they don't take off running for a change. Maybe the cops start to see them as humans instead of criminals to be feared. :shrug:

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

ETA: for reference

But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

Not sure I get what you're saying here. Please, tell me more about Pinky's "conscious racism" as evidenced by his use of a black movie character in his avatar.

He admits that his avatar is in fact a negative stereotype of a race. I understand that he's being funny about it, but he's still knowingly perpetuating a negative stereotype for a laugh. How's that any different from making a joke about Asians not being able to drive, Jewish people being cheap, or white people having no athletic ability (and so on)? Those are also all negative racial stereotypes, are they not? As such, are they not all racist to some degree?

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Cops attacking white people, no deaths. No meat for the media.

OK, so wtf am I missing here? I counted 7 times that this punk was asked to leave the vehicle before he was maced, and then another 8 times before he was tazed, then another 7 times before he was finally physically pulled from the car. On what planet do punks now have the right to disobey a cop's clear, reasonable request to simply get out of the car 22 times? This video is actually perfect evidence showing the crap cops have to put up with on a daily basis, why it's a completely thankless job, and the extreme levels of stress they have to deal with.

This is a classic case of the inmates running the asylum. Guess what - you don't now have the right to disobey the police. You don't get to tell them the terms and conditions upon which you will exit a vehicle. The two punks got exactly what they deserved in that video. Cops shouldn't have tried to delete the video. They actually should have confiscated the phone and turned it in as evidence against them.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

ETA: for reference

But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

Not sure I get what you're saying here. Please, tell me more about Pinky's "conscious racism" as evidenced by his use of a black movie character in his avatar.

He admits that his avatar is in fact a negative stereotype of a race. I understand that he's being funny about it, but he's still knowingly perpetuating a negative stereotype for a laugh. How's that any different from making a joke about Asians not being able to drive, Jewish people being cheap, or white people having no athletic ability (and so on)? Those are also all negative racial stereotypes, are they not? As such, are they not all racist to some degree?

They could be. Not sure of your point though.

Do you look at an Asian and assume they can't drive? Or, a Jew, and assume he/she is cheap? Or a white guy, and assume he is unathletic?

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

ETA: for reference

But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

Not sure I get what you're saying here. Please, tell me more about Pinky's "conscious racism" as evidenced by his use of a black movie character in his avatar.

He admits that his avatar is in fact a negative stereotype of a race. I understand that he's being funny about it, but he's still knowingly perpetuating a negative stereotype for a laugh. How's that any different from making a joke about Asians not being able to drive, Jewish people being cheap, or white people having no athletic ability (and so on)? Those are also all negative racial stereotypes, are they not? As such, are they not all racist to some degree?

I wouldnt say they are racist. But they are stereotypes. Stereotypes are going to found everywhere. We see them in movies all the time, in commercials, in music videos, the news. Are you saying the movie Friday is racist? Is that actor racist for playing the part? Its only when you act on a stereotype or discriminate based on that when it turns to being racist.

IMO we need to get to a point when people of different races, socio economic status, religion interact enough that people do not have to base their perception of a person completely on these stereotypes.

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Cops attacking white people, no deaths. No meat for the media.

OK, so wtf am I missing here? I counted 7 times that this punk was asked to leave the vehicle before he was maced, and then another 8 times before he was tazed, then another 7 times before he was finally physically pulled from the car. On what planet do punks now have the right to disobey a cop's clear, reasonable request to simply get out of the car 22 times? This video is actually perfect evidence showing the crap cops have to put up with on a daily basis, why it's a completely thankless job, and the extreme levels of stress they have to deal with.

This is a classic case of the inmates running the asylum. Guess what - you don't now have the right to disobey the police. You don't get to tell them the terms and conditions upon which you will exit a vehicle. The two punks got exactly what they deserved in that video. Cops shouldn't have tried to delete the video. They actually should have confiscated the phone and turned it in as evidence against them.

They were pulled over for a broken license plate light....a broken license plate light....the kid said he was a minor and wanted to wait for his mom before getting out of the car and then said he would get out after he was pepper sprayed. But apparently he wasnt moving fast enough and was tazed.

It is nice when you badge lickers come out so clearly.

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

ETA: for reference

But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

Not sure I get what you're saying here. Please, tell me more about Pinky's "conscious racism" as evidenced by his use of a black movie character in his avatar.

He admits that his avatar is in fact a negative stereotype of a race. I understand that he's being funny about it, but he's still knowingly perpetuating a negative stereotype for a laugh. How's that any different from making a joke about Asians not being able to drive, Jewish people being cheap, or white people having no athletic ability (and so on)? Those are also all negative racial stereotypes, are they not? As such, are they not all racist to some degree?

I wouldnt say they are racist. But they are stereotypes. Stereotypes are going to found everywhere. We see them in movies all the time, in commercials, in music videos, the news. Are you saying the movie Friday is racist? Is that actor racist for playing the part? Its only when you act on a stereotype or discriminate based on that when it turns to being racist.

IMO we need to get to a point when people of different races, socio econimic status, religion interact enough that people do not have to base their perception of a person on these stereotypes.

How is a racial stereotype NOT racist? Didn't Tobias conclude for many of us in another thread that assuming or suggesting differences between races other than physical one, is the very definition of racism? It's all a matter of degree, right?

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

ETA: for reference

But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

Not sure I get what you're saying here. Please, tell me more about Pinky's "conscious racism" as evidenced by his use of a black movie character in his avatar.

He admits that his avatar is in fact a negative stereotype of a race. I understand that he's being funny about it, but he's still knowingly perpetuating a negative stereotype for a laugh. How's that any different from making a joke about Asians not being able to drive, Jewish people being cheap, or white people having no athletic ability (and so on)? Those are also all negative racial stereotypes, are they not? As such, are they not all racist to some degree?

Well, for one thing a negative stereotype of a single movie character who falls under a particular stereotype of a certain kind of person within a race or ethnicity (in this case, a black pimp) is different than stereotyping the entire race, like your examples do. For another thing, this stereotype appeared in a movie made by black people, starring black people and embraced by the black community. I know there's some idiots who don't understand the concept of context who love to complain about "double standards," but most people with common sense realize that people making fun of themselves/their own race or ethnicity is far different than when outsiders do it.

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Cops attacking white people, no deaths. No meat for the media.

OK, so wtf am I missing here? I counted 7 times that this punk was asked to leave the vehicle before he was maced, and then another 8 times before he was tazed, then another 7 times before he was finally physically pulled from the car. On what planet do punks now have the right to disobey a cop's clear, reasonable request to simply get out of the car 22 times? This video is actually perfect evidence showing the crap cops have to put up with on a daily basis, why it's a completely thankless job, and the extreme levels of stress they have to deal with.

This is a classic case of the inmates running the asylum. Guess what - you don't now have the right to disobey the police. You don't get to tell them the terms and conditions upon which you will exit a vehicle. The two punks got exactly what they deserved in that video. Cops shouldn't have tried to delete the video. They actually should have confiscated the phone and turned it in as evidence against them.

They were pulled over for a broken license plate light....a broken license plate light....the kid said he was a minor and wanted to wait for his mom before getting out of the car and then said he would get out after he was pepper sprayed. But apparently he wasnt moving fast enough and was tazed.

It is nice when you badge lickers come out so clearly.

For the record, it was stated somewhere that both had weed on them. He had over an ounce (intent to distribute).

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Cops attacking white people, no deaths. No meat for the media.

OK, so wtf am I missing here? I counted 7 times that this punk was asked to leave the vehicle before he was maced, and then another 8 times before he was tazed, then another 7 times before he was finally physically pulled from the car. On what planet do punks now have the right to disobey a cop's clear, reasonable request to simply get out of the car 22 times? This video is actually perfect evidence showing the crap cops have to put up with on a daily basis, why it's a completely thankless job, and the extreme levels of stress they have to deal with.

This is a classic case of the inmates running the asylum. Guess what - you don't now have the right to disobey the police. You don't get to tell them the terms and conditions upon which you will exit a vehicle. The two punks got exactly what they deserved in that video. Cops shouldn't have tried to delete the video. They actually should have confiscated the phone and turned it in as evidence against them.

They were pulled over for a broken license plate light....a broken license plate light....the kid said he was a minor and wanted to wait for his mom before getting out of the car and then said he would get out after he was pepper sprayed. But apparently he wasnt moving fast enough and was tazed.

It is nice when you badge lickers come out so clearly.

For the record, it was stated somewhere that both had weed on them. He had over an ounce (intent to distribute).

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Cops attacking white people, no deaths. No meat for the media.

OK, so wtf am I missing here? I counted 7 times that this punk was asked to leave the vehicle before he was maced, and then another 8 times before he was tazed, then another 7 times before he was finally physically pulled from the car. On what planet do punks now have the right to disobey a cop's clear, reasonable request to simply get out of the car 22 times? This video is actually perfect evidence showing the crap cops have to put up with on a daily basis, why it's a completely thankless job, and the extreme levels of stress they have to deal with.

This is a classic case of the inmates running the asylum. Guess what - you don't now have the right to disobey the police. You don't get to tell them the terms and conditions upon which you will exit a vehicle. The two punks got exactly what they deserved in that video. Cops shouldn't have tried to delete the video. They actually should have confiscated the phone and turned it in as evidence against them.

They were pulled over for a broken license plate light....a broken license plate light....the kid said he was a minor and wanted to wait for his mom before getting out of the car and then said he would get out after he was pepper sprayed. But apparently he wasnt moving fast enough and was tazed.

It is nice when you badge lickers come out so clearly.

For the record, it was stated somewhere that both had weed on them. He had over an ounce (intent to distribute).

So?

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Unconscious racism like say having a black pimp as your avatar or maybe a black guy with a gun? You know, reinforcing those negative stereotypes. :P

:shrug:

My name is a nod to a hilarious character from the movie Friday. Is it a negative stereotype? Sure. Now if i had never met a black person, and assumed based on that movie(or my profile) all black people were pimps that carry guns and ride in pink limos and discriminated against them(maybe not rent them an apt for fear they will bring their ho's) based on that, it would be unconscious racism.

ETA: for reference

But since you have met a black person, the racism here is conscious?

Not sure I get what you're saying here. Please, tell me more about Pinky's "conscious racism" as evidenced by his use of a black movie character in his avatar.

He admits that his avatar is in fact a negative stereotype of a race. I understand that he's being funny about it, but he's still knowingly perpetuating a negative stereotype for a laugh. How's that any different from making a joke about Asians not being able to drive, Jewish people being cheap, or white people having no athletic ability (and so on)? Those are also all negative racial stereotypes, are they not? As such, are they not all racist to some degree?

I wouldnt say they are racist. But they are stereotypes. Stereotypes are going to found everywhere. We see them in movies all the time, in commercials, in music videos, the news. Are you saying the movie Friday is racist? Is that actor racist for playing the part? Its only when you act on a stereotype or discriminate based on that when it turns to being racist.

IMO we need to get to a point when people of different races, socio econimic status, religion interact enough that people do not have to base their perception of a person on these stereotypes.

How is a racial stereotype NOT racist? Didn't Tobias conclude for many of us in another thread that assuming or suggesting differences between races other than physical one, is the very definition of racism? It's all a matter of degree, right?

You seem very confused .I said that claiming there are inherent differences other than physical ones, as the word "inherent" is usually defined, is racism. Obviously cultural differences starting at birth create all sort of differences between various races and ethnicities. Please don't claim try to tell people what I think or said and then totally mangle it. It's a pretty dooshy move. TIA.

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