John Blutarsky
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So the President has a strategy to make sure cops are killing black suspects?Does anyone think Trump wants things to "calm down"?
The Divider in Chief is executing a political strategy here.
So the President has a strategy to make sure cops are killing black suspects?Does anyone think Trump wants things to "calm down"?
The Divider in Chief is executing a political strategy here.
That isn't the President's goal.Does anyone think that President Trump’s use of the word “thugs” and warning that “the shooting starts” will help calm things down?
Not nearly as influential as whether the community organizer Democratic mayor and African American police chief can get their city under control.Does anyone think that President Trump’s use of the word “thugs” and warning that “the shooting starts” will help calm things down?
The guys I know are not the best people either. One guy fractured a guys skull, cheek and nose with a billy club and laughed about it when he told the story. It cost the city 300K in a lawsuit settled out of court. The cop and the man injured were both black but still he could have easily killed the man and had no remorse at all. That is what I mean when they stop viewing people as actual human beings. Also he did not get any discipline action. No time off.On the other hand, I know a Detroit cop who keeps a collection of pictures of all the dead bodies he has found and once alluded to having killed a homeless guy for fun. He was an absolute monster of a person in grade school and high school. Racist, cruel, closeted homosexual who abused women, obsessively wanted everyone else to follow the rules, etc. His dad was a cop who used his police powers to harass the family of his ex-wife. So while there are plenty of good cops (my uncle was an amazing, kind and gentle man), it's also a safe place for some really abusive people.
How does that happen? Is it a blue wall thing? A union thing?The guys I know are not the best people either. One guy fractured a guys skull, cheek and nose with a billy club and laughed about it when he told the story. It cost the city 300K in a lawsuit settled out of court. The cop and the man injured were both black but still he could have easily killed the man and had no remorse at all. That is what I mean when they stop viewing people as actual human beings. Also he did not get any discipline action. No time off.
I am old enough to remember some people in this forum saying Obama was the most racially divisive president we have ever had. Doubt we will hear a peep of criticism about Trump's tweet from the same crowd.Does anyone think that President Trump’s use of the word “thugs” and warning that “the shooting starts” will help calm things down?
You should get you feet wet with instagram in case the twitter is shutdownI am old enough to remember some people in this forum saying Obama was the most racially divisive president we have ever had. Doubt we will hear a peep of criticism about Trump's tweet from the same crowd.
Too often it’s enabled by the DAs and politicians...and the country keeps increasingly militarizing themCop culture needs a hard long look to see how to fix it
As a teacher, I can say that there is often a "us vs them" mentality that comes about in schools. It often feels like we are battling the chaos the kids create, we are trying to keep order, carry out the business of the school and the kids don't care or are intentionally undermining us. If there is a student-teacher issue, every school employee seems to take the side of the teacher (excluding anything physical or sexual) because we can all relate to how difficult the kids can be. However, if you ask the more plugged in staff, they know who the good teachers are and who the bad teachers are. They know which teachers escalate situations with kids and which are good at handling tougher cases. Yet publicly, we almost always defend our own. Even in situations where to an outsider, it seems like a teacher overreacted. We teachers will think, "yeah but you probably missed the 500 other times this kid was a total jerk in class before the incident in question." I think a similar thing happens with police but it is just escalated because violence is an acceptable part of the job where in teaching it's not, there are deadly weapons involved, etc.How does that happen? Is it a blue wall thing? A union thing?
I realize we don't know all the details, but to settle for $300k means there was SOMETHING amiss there.
Right, the checks and balances have not done a good job.Too often it’s enabled by the DAs and politicians...and the country keeps increasingly militarizing them
I've thought about it for 30 years - inner cities and some people just want to riot and loot and create chaos and they wait for the moment to do it.It might be worth some of your time today to contemplate why that is....
What, if anything, can we do to address the root causes of that unrest?
I've thought about it for 30 years - inner cities and some people just want to riot and loot and create chaos and they wait for the moment to do it.
The root causes are people wanting to destroy things, to vandalize and to steal, to loot and riot.
So for the record, do you have any problem with Trump's quoting Miami Police Chief Walter Headley from 1967 who said "when the looting stars, the shooting starts" to announce a “get tough” policy for policing black neighborhoods?You should get you feet wet with instagram in case the twitter is shutdown
Honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.I've thought about it for 30 years - inner cities and some people just want to riot and loot and create chaos and they wait for the moment to do it.
The root causes are people wanting to destroy things, to vandalize and to steal, to loot and riot.
It was 15 years ago. The officers word against the passenger of the vehicles word who witnessed the incident. No body cam or cruiser cam.How does that happen? Is it a blue wall thing? A union thing?
I realize we don't know all the details, but to settle for $300k means there was SOMETHING amiss there.
superior force stops situations ....What kind of force? They tried bombing them with tear gas and it didn’t work. Should they open fire? You think that’s doing to de-escalate the situation?
"Some people."I've thought about it for 30 years - inner cities and some people just want to riot and loot and create chaos and they wait for the moment to do it.
The root causes are people wanting to destroy things, to vandalize and to steal, to loot and riot.
I don't know either Sinn FeinHonestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I would just suggest that people are not born to inherently want "to destroy things, to vandalize and to steal, to loot and riot."
yes some people - not all people are looting and rioting"Some people."
I think if the cops opened fire on the protesters at the station, there would be a very good chance what happened in Minnesota last night happens in about 15 other cities tonight.superior force stops situations ....
look, if you don't want to be gassed or arrested or even shot ... then don't loot, riot and burn maybe? People don't normally get away with doing those things, which is why i'm saying this is allowed and the people rioting/looting? they know they can get away with it in this small few days window of opportunity without the police really cracking down on them
that's possibleI think if the cops opened fire on the protesters at the station, there would be a very good chance what happened in Minnesota last night happens in about 15 other cities tonight.
Umm...you may need to think some more if you think people just want to riot and loot...the root cause is not some desire to do so.I've thought about it for 30 years - inner cities and some people just want to riot and loot and create chaos and they wait for the moment to do it.
The root causes are people wanting to destroy things, to vandalize and to steal, to loot and riot.
look, if you want your police station to be burned down....then don't kill helpless citizens and try to cover it up maybe? People don't normally get away with doing that, which is why I'm saying this is allowed and the 4 cops killed someone and weren't arrested? they they can get away with itsuperior force stops situations ....
look, if you don't want to be gassed or arrested or even shot ... then don't loot, riot and burn maybe? People don't normally get away with doing those things, which is why i'm saying this is allowed and the people rioting/looting? they know they can get away with it in this small few days window of opportunity without the police really cracking down on them
Sure...what mostly is going on are protests...yet there are people being worse and setting fires. Seems the overall point of the MSNBC report and what others are saying (who are there and seeing it) is true.
you just justified rioting/lootinglook, if you want your police station to be burned down....then don't kill helpless citizens and try to cover it up maybe? People don't normally get away with doing that, which is why I'm saying this is allowed and the 4 cops killed someone and weren't arrested? they they can get away with it
And worse...and immediately puts the police in further danger.I think if the cops opened fire on the protesters at the station, there would be a very good chance what happened in Minnesota last night happens in about 15 other cities tonight.
Sometimes the best way to calm a situation down is to walk away and let the outburst run it's course. I strongly believe the last thing Minnesota needs is more people killed by the police right now.that's possible
so the other option is to let people riot/loot and burn and destroy for a few days
that's what's being allowed, that's what I've been saying
I don't agree with it, i don't think it should be allowed, but I'm not making the decisions on that and many business owners and home owners etc are being hurt by it - what about them? Doesn't that matter?
yes, its exactly thatUmm...you may need to think some more if you think people just want to riot and loot...the root cause is not some desire to do so.
yes, its exactly thatUmm...you may need to think some more if you think people just want to riot and loot...the root cause is not some desire to do so.
I just flipped what you saidyou just justified rioting/looting
wow
I strongly disagree with accepting rioting/looting and you and I will never see it the same i thinkSometimes the best way to calm a situation down is to walk away and let the outburst run it's course. I strongly believe the last thing Minnesota needs is more people killed by the police right now.
The option is to arrest the officers involved...for local authorities to make a public announcement that calms people rather than fanning the flames (including possibly a resignation or taking a leave of absence and announcing an open investigation into the situation and overall training of local police)...and to not have a POTUS fanning the flames and basically threatening violence by the National Guard.that's possible
so the other option is to let people riot/loot and burn and destroy for a few days
that's what's being allowed, that's what I've been saying
I don't agree with it, i don't think it should be allowed, but I'm not making the decisions on that and many business owners and home owners etc are being hurt by it - what about them? Doesn't that matter?
But that is not the root cause...people are not just inherently angry and destructive...yes, its exactly that
looting isn't a protest, destroying your OWN NEIGHBORHOOD isn't a protest .... its rioting and looting, destroying and stealing and vandalizing and when the smoke clears, nothing and I mean NOTHING good has come from it
I know this is kind of beside the point, but this particular study has been completely discredited. (Sorry, it's a pet peeve).There are reasons why the Stanford Prison Experiment only lasted a week.
I don't support the looting of local businesses in any way. I also strongly disagree with accepting the government killing defenseless citizens in the streets and not getting arrested.I strongly disagree with accepting rioting/looting and you and I will never see it the same i think
It was sad to watch people who live there trying to stop others from destroying their own neighborhood.yes, its exactly that
looting isn't a protest, destroying your OWN NEIGHBORHOOD isn't a protest .... its rioting and looting, destroying and stealing and vandalizing and when the smoke clears, nothing and I mean NOTHING good has come from it
We've turned our police into soldiers when really they need to be more like social workers. Not that I know how to get there from here.Cop culture needs a hard long look to see how to fix it
Next time dont smash the mirror first.Some posts in the last couple of pages put to words like the action of The Penguin in Minneapolis. It would appear some people on this board come into threads, smash a few windows while carrying an umbrella, and walking away with zero culpability. It's shameful.
This should the the topic of the thread.Cop culture needs a hard long look to see how to fix it
Seems like one cop getting arrested would be a good start.This should the the topic of the thread.
This is a far bigger issue than one cop kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed man.
I have no idea how to put that genie back in the bottle, but I think we have to try.
I agree it's really not about this one incident. It's about cop culture, how we police (the social worker vs military approach is spot on) and how the legal system deals with police. These are the systemic issues that need addressing.This should the the topic of the thread.
This is a far bigger issue than one cop kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed man.
I have no idea how to put that genie back in the bottle, but I think we have to try.