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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (2 Viewers)
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Footballguy
6'3" not 6'1"
Henry plays much much smaller and he tries to avoid more than a 243lb player should IMO.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
People said the same thing about Bell coming out. Now Henry isn't the agile, and I'm sure the measurables will bear that out, but he's got pretty nifty feet for a guy his size.
Xue
Footballguy
He's actually very agile. I expect him to put up a very good 3-cone and shuttle. I don't see anything negative about a 243-pounder avoiding contact when it's one of this best attributes.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That was a slight typo, was supposed to be "that agile", as in less agile than Bell but still very nifty feet for a guy that size. Do you think he'll run agility drills similar to Bell? Less impressive (factoring in size) or more? You usually seem to have a pretty solid ability to project these types of measurables, so I'm curious what you think.
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Brandon Jacobs 2.0, pass.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's a really simplistic player comparison, and a pretty bad one, which you only thought of because RB's of their size are so rare.
Jacobs, even as a young player, was much more of a stiff, straight line athlete. He was always a bruiser, a run you over type.
Henry is huge, he's a size/speed freak like Jacobs, but he's a completely different player.
People said bell tried to avoid too much in college? Henry is more explosive than bell coming out. But let's also be honest that bell wasn't bell until he lost 20 lbs. So 6'1" 220 vs 6'3" 243.
I have issues with a 6'3" 243 lb guy with good feet for his size (I agree) trying to avoid nfl defenders. That's a huge target and he doesn't have great agility. I also am concerned about him getting small to fit through holes. Long legs and stop start ability isn't good either with picking holes. Henry is similar to dmc for me, in that they're a much better rb with good blocking and allowed to play downhill. But when asked to create on their own, it's trouble.
lastly I see a lack of power/leverage at times to gain yardage.
I don't see him as a rb1 or high end rb2 in ff, which makes him a pass for me right now given his top 5 devy ranking on some boards.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You really don't remember that? He was criticized as being a big guy that danced too much like a small guy to avoid contact, "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane". It was all over the place, especially on message boards like this one.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yep. That was definitely a common view on Bell.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Still disagree. It's just the easy, obvious comparison due to size. Jacobs was much stiffer and more upright.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
i'm sure the size influences the comparison, but it's more than that. I'm not any kind of scout but from the first time i saw Henry play i thought Brandon Jacobs.
Jacobs was a decent player and actually had nice agility, he wasn't just a battering ram. He was a very athletic big man.
I assume Jeremiah watches a lot of tape and doesn't just judge players on size. He thought the same thing, so it's not just some random idiot (me) on the internet seeing the comparison.
Xue
Footballguy
Those were the same exact knocks against Melvin Gordon. Of course, they weren't true for Gordon and they're not true for Henry either.
We can agree to disagree.
Great agility: I don't think he has great agility and that's an area reserved for shady, ameer abdullah, etc types. Henry side steps defenders at times, but he doesn't pressure cut successfully(remember only one time in his college career). He doesn't spin. Agility just isn't a strength of his game.
Getting small through holes: 6'3" 243 lbs vs 6'0 217(Melvin) big difference and Henry is much more top heavy, which affects balance (another point I didn't bring up is his lack of good balance. He goes down much more easily than he should for a big back with this much hype) I believe Melvin changes up his stride length, which I don't see from Henry.
Zyphros
Footballguy
karmarooster
Footballguy
Big fan of Henry... doesn't have the soft hands but offers just as much promise as Lacy a few years back, he's going to crush college defenses this season. So early to make a call on NFL prospects, but if he can carry the bucket against SEC defenses in a pro-style offense, yeah that sounds pretty nice. He's not quite as big or fast as Jacobs, is he?
Brandon Jacobs was sweet anyways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r3yuWcd6zk (Points per truckstick devy league)
Brandon Jacobs was sweet anyways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r3yuWcd6zk (Points per truckstick devy league)
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Raider Nation
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Stud.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Henry's good, real good. Bama fans said he was the best RB they had when he was a Fr.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Henry's about to teach Yeldon how to appropriately live up to the hype you generated as a young part-time runner, when given the starting job.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
#2 of the night.
It's easy to get giddy about him, but keep things in perspective. There are at least 100 college RBs who score on that same play.
It's easy to get giddy about him, but keep things in perspective. There are at least 100 college RBs who score on that same play.
trader jake
Footballguy
Just scored for the third time, but his most impressive plays have been made picking up the blitz tonight. Multiple times he has absolutely stoned a blitzing linebacker.
One More Rep
Footballguy
His speed is what jumps out to me
karmarooster
Footballguy
You say that like it's a bad thing, for a college back... we should be so lucky if he puts up 19 TDs this year, like Jacobs in college, or pulls a 4.5 career rushing average in 9 NFL seasons.
Jacobs also had back to back 1,000 yard seasons, at 5.0 yards per carry in the NFL with 21 total TDs those two years (15 rushing TDs in one year!)
jurb26
Footballguy
I figured there'd be a bump for Henry today. I don't think he looked special, though. I wasn't impressed by either of his big runs. Massive holes that he just basically sprinted thru.
This guy is massive and can run, for sure. Once he gets going it's like a run away train. He seems to need to build up his speed and isnt as quick in the hole. Not a very creative runner.
I agree with tdmills that he doesn't have great balance, he seems a bit top heavy and doesn't change up his stride length.
This guy is massive and can run, for sure. Once he gets going it's like a run away train. He seems to need to build up his speed and isnt as quick in the hole. Not a very creative runner.
I agree with tdmills that he doesn't have great balance, he seems a bit top heavy and doesn't change up his stride length.
If they haven't already started making them, be ready for inevitable Eric Dickerson comparisons.
People see the weight difference and think it's too big a gap to be apples to apples, but ED was the size of the linebackers he was playing against in college, so in terms of on-field dynamics, I think it's something to look at. The height and stride made me think ED right away.
People see the weight difference and think it's too big a gap to be apples to apples, but ED was the size of the linebackers he was playing against in college, so in terms of on-field dynamics, I think it's something to look at. The height and stride made me think ED right away.
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