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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (20 Viewers)
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Probably depends on roster spots. I might do this in shallow rosters but in deeper rosters is ware as a high upside short term prospect. We don't know what his role will be in 2018, but he may have standalone value and he already has high end handcuff value. If hunt misses a game, ware would likely be considered a high end rb2 that week. If any serious injury happens to hunt between now and your roster cut down he'll be worth much more than a fourth, so at the least, I'd be hesitant to trade him until as close to that date as possible.Andy Dufresne said:
Forgot to link this response to the 1.08 plus WR Parker for the move up to the1.04 slot swap posting 1 or 2 entries above.
Looks like someone is definitely into one of the top 4 rookie draft picks this season - and is willing to step up to the plate to do so, by agreeing to send along WR Devante Parker. A lot of this is the roster backgrounds involved, and what other draft pick assets might one or both of the owners also possess. I had the opportunity to do something similar in a standard 12-team dynasty with IDP involved (move up from the 1.10 to the 1.05), but while I was attempting to assess if I would feel comfortable disrupting the draft plan I already had in place - and even more importantly what asset(s) I would be willing to surrender to make this move . . . . a trade was made where the owner owning the 1.5 accepted the 1.07 and the 2.11 in exchange for his 1.05 and the 3.07. The owner of the 1.05 posted after the trade was agreed to, that he really believed he could still get "his man" 2 picks later @ the 1.07, while getting up into late 2nd round which he considers still a source of "talent" for his squad. I venture to presume that since the league has a significant IDP presence in the weekly starting line-ups involved, that even being near the end of the 2nd round (top 22 - 24) rookie players' pool would also yield him another talented player. Sometime owners have a "hair-trigger" when they get the trading bug/urge, and don't wait to optimize the value of what they are trying to do - and this was the case I'm willing to wager was exactly that.
So, given the swap posted here, I guess if I owned Parker and wanted to move up 4-slots, I would do the traded as posted. Probably the owner moving down from #4 to #8, has a man-crush on Parker and believes that Tannehill is the guy in MIami to make his dream come true (not the feeling of this criitic, however).
Looks like someone is definitely into one of the top 4 rookie draft picks this season - and is willing to step up to the plate to do so, by agreeing to send along WR Devante Parker. A lot of this is the roster backgrounds involved, and what other draft pick assets might one or both of the owners also possess. I had the opportunity to do something similar in a standard 12-team dynasty with IDP involved (move up from the 1.10 to the 1.05), but while I was attempting to assess if I would feel comfortable disrupting the draft plan I already had in place - and even more importantly what asset(s) I would be willing to surrender to make this move . . . . a trade was made where the owner owning the 1.5 accepted the 1.07 and the 2.11 in exchange for his 1.05 and the 3.07. The owner of the 1.05 posted after the trade was agreed to, that he really believed he could still get "his man" 2 picks later @ the 1.07, while getting up into late 2nd round which he considers still a source of "talent" for his squad. I venture to presume that since the league has a significant IDP presence in the weekly starting line-ups involved, that even being near the end of the 2nd round (top 22 - 24) rookie players' pool would also yield him another talented player. Sometime owners have a "hair-trigger" when they get the trading bug/urge, and don't wait to optimize the value of what they are trying to do - and this was the case I'm willing to wager was exactly that.
So, given the swap posted here, I guess if I owned Parker and wanted to move up 4-slots, I would do the traded as posted. Probably the owner moving down from #4 to #8, has a man-crush on Parker and believes that Tannehill is the guy in MIami to make his dream come true (not the feeling of this criitic, however).
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Pwingles
Footballguy
Penny
Good deal for both sides. I assume the side getting marty has bench space.Aunt Jemima said:
D, A, BNoProblem said:
Gimme penny and collins
gimme the packagedipandglide said:12 tm, 2QB, 2TE, Devy, PPR
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Gave: Ajayi
Got: Jamaal Williams, Edelman, 4th
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This is a deep league being start 2QB/TE and with devy included. The two main players in this trade are polarizing and I'm curious what everyone thinks. I assume everyone will jump on Ajayi. Hopefully there are some Williams believers like myself out there
Packers Rbs side. But close. If Foreman was further along in his recovery I would take that side.Sitch said:
Part of my thinking in dealing Foreman. Apparently he's not fully recovered yet and with this type of injury, he may never be...but the deal is definitely a 50/50 proposition for me. If the 1st ends up being top 3 or 4, I'll be pretty happy...
He for sure does not have stand alone value and may not even be the handcuff or sole handcuff.
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NeverEnough
Footballguy
I traded the pick during the draft - ended up being Penny (it was 1.06). If I kept the pick, I likely would have taken him as my other options were Freeman, Johnson and all the WRs
The guy is currently in a full-blown rebuild and doesn't feel like he can compete with Alex Collins so might as well get something for the RB.
He is pretty weak at RBs but he doesn't think he's contending anytime soon and would rather build up picks and try to get a solid young team for the future.
Health mainly but they signed Damian Williams and have liked what they've seen from Darrel Williams and West is back. That's all non-subjective stuff but chance he's not all the way back from the injury and increased comp in a nutshell is the answer.
Subjectively speaking I think he was highly overrated before they drafted Hunt and before he got hurt and have been comping his talent level to Jeremy Hill for awhile now. I got no way of proving this but I believe Hunt had already made it a RBBC and was on his way to taking the job outright. That being said if his health is what it was in 2016, I think he'll get the backup job.
I drafted him at 6.12 of a rookie draft in an FFPC league where I own Hunt back in May. That's about what he's worth and if I did not own Hunt I'd have passed. If I thought he was more of a sure thing handcuff I'd value him more like a 4th round guy.
Thanks, makes sense. In my drafts he never fell to 6, I'd say his ADP was 3, so if someone took him it's because they liked not so much as he was near the end of the RB first round options.
In this league, I'm kind of setup to swing for the fences with the future 1st (I have Bell, Zeke, Nuk, AJG, Cooks, etc)...so rather than take someone I don't really like in Penny or one of the other backs or WRs, I'll take a shot on next year
JPeso
Footballguy
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
FFPC
Gave Alshon Jeffrey and ASJ
got Stefon Diggs and Jared Cook
Gave Alshon Jeffrey and ASJ
got Stefon Diggs and Jared Cook
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
I'll take Evans here but it's close. Keenan is more valuable in full ppr leagues like FFPC, I like Cohen a lot as a sophomore breakout as well but a top3 1st plus a slight downgrade at WR is the way I'd rather go.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What would make you think this? If you favor Diggs by a mile, wouldn't it stand to reason that the ASJ for Cook part was meant to balance it out some?
I'm not super high on ASJ but Cook is worthless in dynasty. We have many years of him showing a few flashes here and there but not producing over the course of the season/career. I'm not sure why anyone would even bother rostering him let alone trade for him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
NeverEnough
Footballguy
In other words, if I could get the ASJ owner to swap with me, I would in a minute. I didn't say I think they would. There are much worse TEs you can have on your roster FYI
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Zyphros
Footballguy
In terms of actual points scored I'd say it's pretty close but I'd imagine Allen produces in full ppr more than Evans. Roughly the same amount of targets but Allen gets short/intermediate plays more often, vs Evans who gets chucked balls that shouldn't be thrown, you can do the math to find that efficiency.
Would you rather have 102/1393/6 or 71/1001/8? That 30 catch spread is a big difference in full ppr.
Allen doesn't seem to carry the label of a "top tier WR" since he had that injury in 2016 but he definitely produces like it. Plus supporting cast wise, the only competition for Allen is Mike Williams this year while Evans has OJ Howard, Brate, Rojo, DeSean Jackson, and Godwin. Even if you assume Tampa is the breakout offense of the year, I doubt Evans matches what Allen will produce.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The point is, you couldn't. Who are the worse TEs you could have on your roster? Jason Witten and Tony Gonzalez?
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I'm a big fan of both Evans and Allen and would take Evans just over Allen for dynasty but I don't understand the bold. How can u say Evans has all that competition (really the only guys that scare me r the TEs taking TDs and I guess Godwin maybe breaks out a little bit but Gordon for the chargers is a much better player then any in Tampa to take opportunities away plus tyrell isn't terrible either and I'd actually list him as the #2 WR until Mike Williams actually does something noteworthy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I can see favoring Evans to Allen if you want to play it safe and are afraid of the injuries, but I'm surprised Evans is so clearly ahead by consensus. Over the last three years he has been WR20, WR3, and WR26 via PPG. Hardly inspiring.
Allen over the same stretch has been WR4, DNP, WR6. At least when he's been on the field the last three years he's actually been a WR1.
Allen over the same stretch has been WR4, DNP, WR6. At least when he's been on the field the last three years he's actually been a WR1.
Fairly equitable value but I'd rather have the picks in a vacuum.
Guice here easily due less to Guice vs Allen but to the the 2019#1 and Pettis over Goodwin.
Outstanding price to pay for Diggs
I'd take Evans over Allen in dynasty. Big Cohen fan here and if he ends up being worth a top 3 pick in 2019 I'll be pretty happy but that seems rich and really takes this from a slight win on the Evans side to a big one.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I glossed over the Chargers skill positions because of a couple things. 1. Henry got hurt, he's not competition, at least this year. 2. Nobody talks about Tyrell as a breakout candidate, but I agree he is solid. 3. Melvin Gordon doesn't catch a ton of passes so that work isn't necessarily taken away from Allen in that offense where RoJo is likely to catch passes and take a minor amount of targets away from Evans.
I'm also way more confident in Rivers just being himself and producing than I am on Winston actually being a good QB. I've hated him since the second I saw his throwing motion, but straight up I'd take Evans too, but with full ppr I can definitely see people preferring Allen. That's why I wanted that early 1st in the trade we're discussing, but I thought it was really close.
tkrull
Footballguy
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Gordon and Ekeler saw 118 targets last season. Martin, Barber and Sims combined for 84 targets last season. Jones did not see much passing work at USC - which doesn't mean he can't catch of course, but I'm not sure the assumption should be that he would see more than the 83 targets Gordon saw last year. I feel pretty safe in predicting the under on 83 targets for Jones.
Yup and I believe those 58 were good for second best on the team.
Like others have said Gordon was actually involved quite a bit in the passing game but I don't see him getting even more involved so I'm not worried abt him that much as far as hurting allens value and I could see him outscoring evans if winston doesn't improve. If the first was more mid to late then I'd say it's fair and could go either way but if it's truly top 3 then I do agree with most that it's a great win for that side
14 team superflex
Team A Gets: 2019 1st
Team B Gets: Anthony Miller
Best guess is the 1st rounder is gonna be mid-round but could go either way. This team is probably top 6 of the league with the moves they made during/after the startup but there's some boom/bust players (Luck, Trubs, Drake) and they're relying on some upside guys (Kittle, Godwin, AMiller) to step up as well so could go either way.
Team A Gets: 2019 1st
Team B Gets: Anthony Miller
Best guess is the 1st rounder is gonna be mid-round but could go either way. This team is probably top 6 of the league with the moves they made during/after the startup but there's some boom/bust players (Luck, Trubs, Drake) and they're relying on some upside guys (Kittle, Godwin, AMiller) to step up as well so could go either way.
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garlicduck
Footballguy
Sounds like a lot of "IFs" - I would trade Miller easily for a shot at a top-6 (or better) next year, especially in SF.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
PPR
Gave: Tyler Eifert
Got: 2019 3rd
Surprised to get that, actually.
Gave: Tyler Eifert
Got: 2019 3rd
Surprised to get that, actually.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Same Team A and B on a 2nd deal today
Team A trades: 1.04
Team B trardes: Devonta Freeman
NeverEnough
Footballguy
PPR
Team A gives Goff & K. Benjamin
Team B gives Keenan Allen
Team A gives Goff & K. Benjamin
Team B gives Keenan Allen
Denver724
Footballguy
drewd_21
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Denver724
Footballguy
Nothing missing. That was the deal.Please tell me there is something missing from the Team B side
NeverEnough
Footballguy
So Kelce for Njoku & Kittle, ok I can see that. Watkins & Diggs for Hopkins. Not enough for Hopkins. Cohen for free. Yea, this deal is crazy.
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