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Dynasty & Redraft: TE Hunter Henry, Los Angeles Chargers

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Hunter Henry starting, no Gates, right ?

Anyone bold enough to start him this week ?

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Maybe next week.  Julius this week with Walford on bench with henry 

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7 hours ago, Stealthycat said:

Hunter Henry starting, no Gates, right ?

Anyone bold enough to start him this week ?

Lost Ertz, picked up Jesse James (Henry available on ww).

It sounds like the Eagles and Colts are at opposite ends of the TE defense spectrum, so . . . . .

If Gates sits, yes.

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Rolling with Burton over gates this week.  I will be watching henry close though.  If he does well I may pick him up

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7 hours ago, wormburner said:

Lost Ertz, picked up Jesse James (Henry available on ww).

It sounds like the Eagles and Colts are at opposite ends of the TE defense spectrum, so . . . . .

If Gates sits, yes.

It's showtime!

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With Walford and Julius both blowing,  I'd love to start this guy soon

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5 hours ago, wormburner said:

It's showtime!

The late fumble was unfortunate, but an ok start.  Brate will probably be the hot ww pickup this week.

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Anyone starting him this week? Considering dropping D. Allen for him. Love the NO match up. My only concern is that betting on rookie TEs is always dicey, and I could find myself in a week or two with a backup TE and no good WW options (14 team league). 

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The other 

48 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Anyone starting him this week? Considering dropping D. Allen for him. Love the NO match up. My only concern is that betting on rookie TEs is always dicey, and I could find myself in a week or two with a backup TE and no good WW options (14 team league). 

The other thing is that San Diego is going to be down maybe three starting o lineman. Those situations sometimes require the TE to stay in and help with blocking rather than go out and run routes. Could hurt Hunter's value. That being said, I currently have him in my lineup for Delanie Walker, so I'm hoping for the best... 

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The funny thing about NO is they really defend the TE position very well. For whatever reason no TE has gotten more then 40 yards and no TDs this year against them.

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43 minutes ago, Deaddawg said:

The funny thing about NO is they really defend the TE position very well. For whatever reason no TE has gotten more then 40 yards and no TDs this year against them.

That may be in part because they haven't faced a team that has any talent at the TE position. Between OAK, NYG, ATL there isn't much there as far as TE's or TE utilization goes. 

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2 hours ago, kawaihae said:

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The other thing is that San Diego is going to be down maybe three starting o lineman. Those situations sometimes require the TE to stay in and help with blocking rather than go out and run routes. Could hurt Hunter's value. That being said, I currently have him in my lineup for Delanie Walker, so I'm hoping for the best... 

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Definitely starting him 

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I liked what  I saw. He added a lot more than Gates did. I am holding. Rudolph has a bye coming up and HH might be a nice replacement there. Plus there is the chance that Rudolph fizzles out. My worry is just that Gates comes back and steals RZ looks. Other than that, HH seems to have TE1 upside. 

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5 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Kid looks good

Yup. Gonna be real interesting to see how things shake out when Gates gets healthy. I don't see them phasing Gates out. He's still a terrific Red Zone threat and the Chargers aren't exactly overflowing with offensive options given all their injuries so they need Gates back. But Henry's legit. Could definitely see them working a lot of 2-TE sets like they tried to do in the past when Green was there. This will give defenses a different look and give Rivers more options, especially in the RZ. Another big-bodied target is always a plus near the End Zone.  

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35 minutes ago, packersfan said:

Yup. Gonna be real interesting to see how things shake out when Gates gets healthy. I don't see them phasing Gates out. He's still a terrific Red Zone threat and the Chargers aren't exactly overflowing with offensive options given all their injuries so they need Gates back. But Henry's legit. Could definitely see them working a lot of 2-TE sets like they tried to do in the past when Green was there. This will give defenses a different look and give Rivers more options, especially in the RZ. Another big-bodied target is always a plus near the End Zone.  

I agree Henry looks great and they will likely use more TE sets when Gates is back. However, Gates is still a better receiver and Henry is a much better blocker, so in 2 TE sets, Gates will still run more routes and get more targets. The good news is that Gates probably won't play more than 50% of the snaps when he is back, if that, leaving a healthy amount of snaps for Henry as the single TE. So he could still get his.

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6 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

I agree Henry looks great and they will likely use more TE sets when Gates is back. However, Gates is still a better receiver and Henry is a much better blocker, so in 2 TE sets, Gates will still run more routes and get more targets. The good news is that Gates probably won't play more than 50% of the snaps when he is back, if that, leaving a healthy amount of snaps for Henry as the single TE. So he could still get his.

I'm not sure I see a huge reduction in snaps for Gates. The Chargers' D isn't very good so if we assume a lot of passing for San Diego in most/many of the games they play going forward and assuming Gates stays reasonably healthy (that's a big question I realize) then it seems reasonably safe to assume Gates will carry a meaningful role in the passing game. He's just too good as a route runner and Rivers trusts him too much, especially in Red Zone situations for him to be phased out significantly in my opinion. Obviously I'm just speculating and it all comes down to whether Gates can get healthy and stay healthy. If he can't then all bets are off and Henry could assume a huge role and he clearly looks like he could generate Top 10 and possibly Top 5 TE production if Gates can't get back on the field. 

But if Gates can come back and stay healthy I just think he's still too valuable to this team to go away and I don't see the Chargers phasing him out either. They've lost so many weapons I don't think they can really afford to. Gates is still a strong route runner, has great hands and is money near the End Zone. I think a coaching staff would have to be out of their minds to phase someone like that out of their offense.

 

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1 hour ago, packersfan said:

I'm not sure I see a huge reduction in snaps for Gates. The Chargers' D isn't very good so if we assume a lot of passing for San Diego in most/many of the games they play going forward and assuming Gates stays reasonably healthy (that's a big question I realize) then it seems reasonably safe to assume Gates will carry a meaningful role in the passing game. He's just too good as a route runner and Rivers trusts him too much, especially in Red Zone situations for him to be phased out significantly in my opinion. Obviously I'm just speculating and it all comes down to whether Gates can get healthy and stay healthy. If he can't then all bets are off and Henry could assume a huge role and he clearly looks like he could generate Top 10 and possibly Top 5 TE production if Gates can't get back on the field. 

But if Gates can come back and stay healthy I just think he's still too valuable to this team to go away and I don't see the Chargers phasing him out either. They've lost so many weapons I don't think they can really afford to. Gates is still a strong route runner, has great hands and is money near the End Zone. I think a coaching staff would have to be out of their minds to phase someone like that out of their offense.

I didn't say I expect them to phase Gates out. I said I expect him to play about 50% of the snaps. I think he will be targeted plenty on the snaps he plays. I'm sure Gates wants the TE TD record and Rivers wants to help him get it.

Gates said before last season that he envisioned his snaps being reduced in 2015. He said he envisioned playing on high value downs, i.e., third downs, red zone, etc. He played about 62% of the offensive snaps, but he may have played less if Allen and Stevie Johnson didn't get hurt. He played a bit less than that in the first 2 weeks this season before he got hurt.

Given how good Henry is plus the fact that Gates looks a bit slower and is now dealing with a hamstring problem, I suspect Gates' snaps will come down a bit this year. Logically, if Gates plays 50-60% of the snaps in games in which he is healthy, that means Henry will likely play the other 40-50% as the primary receiving TE. Henry will also play plenty of snaps with Gates, and on those snaps I expect Henry to primarily be a blocker.

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5 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

I didn't say I expect them to phase Gates out. I said I expect him to play about 50% of the snaps. I think he will be targeted plenty on the snaps he plays. I'm sure Gates wants the TE TD record and Rivers wants to help him get it.

Gates said before last season that he envisioned his snaps being reduced in 2015. He said he envisioned playing on high value downs, i.e., third downs, red zone, etc. He played about 62% of the offensive snaps, but he may have played less if Allen and Stevie Johnson didn't get hurt. He played a bit less than that in the first 2 weeks this season before he got hurt.

Given how good Henry is plus the fact that Gates looks a bit slower and is now dealing with a hamstring problem, I suspect Gates' snaps will come down a bit this year. Logically, if Gates plays 50-60% of the snaps in games in which he is healthy, that means Henry will likely play the other 40-50% as the primary receiving TE. Henry will also play plenty of snaps with Gates, and on those snaps I expect Henry to primarily be a blocker.

Chargers coaches are dumb cant count on anything.

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I don't know what the percentage of snaps Gates was playing the first two weeks. Just seems like less than 50% is a huge drop-off but I could be wrong. 

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37 minutes ago, packersfan said:

I don't know what the percentage of snaps Gates was playing the first two weeks. Just seems like less than 50% is a huge drop-off but I could be wrong. 

He played just under 60% of the snaps in weeks 1 and 2 combined. He played 66% in week 1 and 53% in week 2.

Also, FWIW, PFF has graded Henry out with a much better receiving grade than Gates so far, along with better run blocking and pass blocking grades.

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13 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

He played just under 60% of the snaps in weeks 1 and 2 combined. He played 66% in week 1 and 53% in week 2.

Also, FWIW, PFF has graded Henry out with a much better receiving grade than Gates so far, along with better run blocking and pass blocking grades.

I don't always trust their grades but I definitely agree Henry has looked great and better than Gates looked the first two games. He's been terrific and should be a part of the offense no matter what happens with Gates the rest of the season. All I'm saying is that Gates, when healthy, is still a darn good player in my opinion - especially near the End Zone as a Red Zone target and the Chargers clearly need all the offensive weapons they can get. I think they would be making a huge mistake significantly reducing his role if he can get healthy and stay healthy.

Now whether he can do that is the big question. 

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1 hour ago, packersfan said:

I don't always trust their grades but I definitely agree Henry has looked great and better than Gates looked the first two games. He's been terrific and should be a part of the offense no matter what happens with Gates the rest of the season. All I'm saying is that Gates, when healthy, is still a darn good player in my opinion - especially near the End Zone as a Red Zone target and the Chargers clearly need all the offensive weapons they can get. I think they would be making a huge mistake significantly reducing his role if he can get healthy and stay healthy.

 

Henry is better than Gates right now in every facet of the game except maybe as a red zone threat. At this point I don't see how they can give Henry the Ladarius Green treatment.

It should really not be about finding ways to work Hunter Henry into this offense any longer. The mindset should be Henry is the primary TE and now who do they work packages in the offense that take advantage of some things that Gates can still do. Which is mainly serve as red zone threat and some obvious passing downs.

I do tend to think Gates is still going to take a bit out of Henry's fantasy value this year, hope I'm wrong but I think with Henry being so strong at blocking it just stands to reason that when they show two TE looks more often than not when one of them is being called on to be the blocker it's going to be Henry.

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8 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Henry is better than Gates right now in every facet of the game except maybe as a red zone threat. At this point I don't see how they can give Henry the Ladarius Green treatment.

 

Do not underestimate the importance of trust when it comes to a quarterback and the players he is throwing the ball to. It is arguably the most important element on the field. Rivers trust Gates more than any player on the Chargers' roster. That counts for a lot. Now if Gates is a broken down, injury-riddled wreck it won't matter at all. But if Gates can still play (and he definitely could the first two weeks of the season) I don't think he's getting phased out. I'm a Henry owner so I'd love to see the kid get all the targets and dominate but I just don't see Gates going away unless he clearly can't play anymore. 

 

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1 minute ago, packersfan said:

Do not underestimate the importance of trust when it comes to a quarterback and the players he is throwing the ball to. It is arguably the most important element on the field. Rivers trust Gates more than any player on the Chargers' roster. That counts for a lot. Now if Gates is a broken down, injury-riddled wreck it won't matter at all. But if Gates can still play (and he definitely could the first two weeks of the season) I don't think he's getting phased out. I'm a Henry owner so I'd love to see the kid get all the targets and dominate but I just don't see Gates going away unless he clearly can't play anymore. 

 

I don't under estimate trust but I absolutely think Gates is broke down, even with a healthy hamstring.  He still knows who to use his body to get some separation and most of all combined with that trust can still make him a really big time red zone contributor but at this point I think he's a shell of himself.

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Sounds like Gates might be back. 

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8 minutes ago, RBM said:

Sounds like Gates might be back. 

I'm starting him even if Gates plays. Matchup's too good and I think there will be enough targets for both TEs

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Cant believe I am asking but with Gronk banged up my only option is Henry. Would you play him over Gronk?

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On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 6:35 PM, menobrown said:

Henry is better than Gates right now in every facet of the game except maybe as a red zone threat. At this point I don't see how they can give Henry the Ladarius Green treatment.

It should really not be about finding ways to work Hunter Henry into this offense any longer. The mindset should be Henry is the primary TE and now who do they work packages in the offense that take advantage of some things that Gates can still do. Which is mainly serve as red zone threat and some obvious passing downs.

I do tend to think Gates is still going to take a bit out of Henry's fantasy value this year, hope I'm wrong but I think with Henry being so strong at blocking it just stands to reason that when they show two TE looks more often than not when one of them is being called on to be the blocker it's going to be Henry.

oh meno meno..........this is the chargers, if gates is active do not, I repeat do not play HH

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1 hour ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

oh meno meno..........this is the chargers, if gates is active do not, I repeat do not play HH

I don't plan on it, and I did say I expect Gates to take a bite out of his production and because it's the Chargers could easily be the better fantasy option if you had to use one. I would not want to use either when both are healthy Gates will see a reduced role from the type of role he saw last season for instance but most the work he does get will be in the red zone area and could easily have a game like he did the last time he played. Again don't really want to play any of them until or if I get a clear idea of how they are going to work it out. With the lack of weapons I'd say they need both but will be interesting to see if they can work out in a way that taps into Henry's mulit-dimensional skill set instead of simply slotting the TE playing opposite Gates as primarily a blocker.

I still think Henry is far and away the better player than Gates at this time and taking it a step further looks as clean and natural at that position as any rookie TE I can recall.   I said the other day he was better in every facet and if that's not true I'll stick with saying he's both a better blocker and receiver. If they bury him like they did Green, who was not as talented as HH but still should have been used more, it's going to be extremely bad coaching.

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22 minutes ago, menobrown said:

extremely bad coaching

Maybe you forgot we are discussing the Chargers here. Bad coaching is a given.

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Rivers is a smart QB. The trust he has with Gates is also a quick trust he is gaining with Hunter Henry - Henry is that good. Its too late to buy Henry cheap in most leagues, but you can still get him for a price. by the end of this season, he'll have a Reed/Olsen price

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5 minutes ago, Stealthycat said:

Rivers is a smart QB. The trust he has with Gates is also a quick trust he is gaining with Hunter Henry - Henry is that good. Its too late to buy Henry cheap in most leagues, but you can still get him for a price. by the end of this season, he'll have a Reed/Olsen price

Wow!!!  Those are some lofty expectations considering Gates is still there.

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2 hours ago, Stealthycat said:

Rivers is a smart QB. The trust he has with Gates is also a quick trust he is gaining with Hunter Henry - Henry is that good. Its too late to buy Henry cheap in most leagues, but you can still get him for a price. by the end of this season, he'll have a Reed/Olsen price

 

2 hours ago, groin pains said:

Wow!!!  Those are some lofty expectations considering Gates is still there.

It does seem like a lofty projection for this year's performance, but might be spot on as far as projecting his price.  Dynasty owners tend to be youth-obsessed and the end-of-season narrative will be that with Gates gone, the stage is set for Henry to build on his strong 2016 with te1 numbers.

May not happen, but that's how his owners will likely price him.

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5 hours ago, groin pains said:

Wow!!!  Those are some lofty expectations considering Gates is still there.

Yeah I can't see any way he's a Top 5 TE if Gates is healthy but I could see him being a low-end TE1 in PPR even with a healthy Gates. 4-5 receptions with the occasional TD isn't a reach at all for Henry if the Chargers utilize him intelligently. It's not like they'll want to overwork Gates so there should be plenty of work for both TEs if San Diego goes with 2 TE looks a lot of the time which they could conceivably do.

It's not like they're blessed with a lot of options they can rely on in the passing game right now. Gates and Henry are arguably their top 2 options right now if everyone is healthy. Williams is still raw and Benjamin has kind of faded a bit lately. They really need both of their TEs in a big way right now so it would make sense for the Chargers to go with a 2 TE set as a huge part of their offensive foundation moving forward, assuming Gates can stay healthy.  

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SD beat writer says Gates probably "will give it a go".

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