Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
There are a lot of reasons why this is a dumb idea. Like Cooperman said, just raise the effective tax rate and capital gains tax on the ultra wealthy.
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
He also talked about reforming carried interest and section 1032. But Warren's story is still that he cried over having to pay more taxes. Every CNBC anchor covering the story has pointed out that she flatly misrepresented his remarks.
And now it's a revenue source https://shop.elizabethwarren.com/products/billionaire-tears-mug
And now it's a revenue source https://shop.elizabethwarren.com/products/billionaire-tears-mug
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I saw it live and as I previously stated it's despicable of Warren to misrepresent it.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
He really does play right into her hand, though. He keeps coming back on air and trying to read the letter and talk about Ken Langone and others. He needs to stop.
Cuban seems to be starting to get involved, though, and I think he could take her on in a smarter way.
Cuban seems to be starting to get involved, though, and I think he could take her on in a smarter way.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I have to confess that Warren “owning the billionaires” excites me on a visceral level that I think is probably akin to the way a lot of Trump fans get excited by “owning liberals.” I don’t think I’m alone— I think it’s a big part of Warren’s appeal.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I am sure it does.That mug is selling very well.Could she maybe do it without mis-characterizing what people said, though? Or implying Cooperman is guilty because he settled with the SEC? Don't we want to move on to where that kind of stuff is beneath the presidency again?
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Sure, there are probably some ways she could be more careful with her wording in speeches or in ads and tweets. But overall I wouldn’t want her to change her aggressive posture towards corporations, Wall Street, and billionaires. That’s why I like her best.Mystery Achiever said:
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
That will be unacceptable. That would mean if somebody was worth 100billion and lost 5 billion that year they wouldnt pay their fair share.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
"More careful" seems too kind for those actions, but I understand and respect your passion.
Eliana Johnson@elianayjohnson·19m
"The offer: A $1 million check from a major Democratic donor to a major Democratic group.
The one condition: The money would be refunded if Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren becomes the party's nominee" -
See, I don't like stuff like this. They should out the Donor. Either donate, or don't - but don't extort the party along the way. Let the people decide who they want. If you want a moderate - then back a moderate candidate now...
"The offer: A $1 million check from a major Democratic donor to a major Democratic group.
The one condition: The money would be refunded if Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren becomes the party's nominee" -
See, I don't like stuff like this. They should out the Donor. Either donate, or don't - but don't extort the party along the way. Let the people decide who they want. If you want a moderate - then back a moderate candidate now...
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
My guess is this person is just trying to scare the party to the right, like the donors threatening to back Trump if she's nominated. vs a serious conditional donation. I don't condone that or the threat. Use the money to support your preferred candidate.
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Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Warren is a moderateSinn Fein said:
I think you, and I, have a different definition of "moderate"
I'll leave it at that.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
She was a super delegate in the bag for HRC in '16. Didn't support MFA until she thought she could pilfer some of the progressive vote but she's already exposing herself back pedaling before the primaries even begin. She is trying to replicate what BHO did, ie campaign as FDR and govern like Romney.
proteus126
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I am a democrat and if she is the nominee (or Bernie) I will vote third party or not vote at all. These two are an existential threat to the party and to the country. Bernie isn’t even a democrat and warren is potentially worse with her foreign policy stances.
Tar and feather me, but this is almost like a Trump moment — he took over their party because they just wanted to win and I don’t want the “democratic-socialists” taking over the democrats. Any of the other candidates (most of which aren’t great either) will get my vote. Even Tulsi.
Tar and feather me, but this is almost like a Trump moment — he took over their party because they just wanted to win and I don’t want the “democratic-socialists” taking over the democrats. Any of the other candidates (most of which aren’t great either) will get my vote. Even Tulsi.
proteus126
Footballguy
My feeling too.
Hypothetical for you: You live in a real battleground state like, say, PA. The matchup is Trump vs. Warren. Do you vote 3rd party (or not at all), or is Warren so unpalatable to you that you pull the lever for Trump?
Rough question, I know.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I am in PA. I won’t vote for Trump. So I either don’t vote or vote for a third party.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Not a good look.
Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra)
11/22/19, 4:53 PM
Elizabeth Warren is caught on camera lying about where she sent her kids to school
Woman: "I read that your children went to private schools"
Warren: "No my children went to public schools"
pic.twitter.com/tLOV0zgK9y
Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra)
11/22/19, 4:53 PM
Elizabeth Warren is caught on camera lying about where she sent her kids to school
Woman: "I read that your children went to private schools"
Warren: "No my children went to public schools"
pic.twitter.com/tLOV0zgK9y
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I just read her daughter went to public schools and her son went to both public and private schools.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
The woman states, “I read that your children went to private schools.”
Elizabeth replies “No, my children went to public schools.”
I’ll give this statement two Pinocchios. What she says is technically true but there is omission of the whole truth.
Elizabeth replies “No, my children went to public schools.”
I’ll give this statement two Pinocchios. What she says is technically true but there is omission of the whole truth.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Reason 200 why we have people who dislike Trump but would vote for him if a Liz Warren won the nomination.
Elizabeth Warren@ewarren
Let’s be clear: It’s time for our government to have a full-blown national conversation about reparations. We must be honest about our history, and do what’s right so that our nation can begin to heal. #AtlantaWithWarren
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1197725287896752128?s=21
Elizabeth Warren@ewarren
Let’s be clear: It’s time for our government to have a full-blown national conversation about reparations. We must be honest about our history, and do what’s right so that our nation can begin to heal. #AtlantaWithWarren
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1197725287896752128?s=21
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I don't like Warren, at all, but Trump supporters playing gotcha with anyone's half-truths is really rich.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
Is anybody not surprised?
This woman has been power hungry since the beginning. She is primarily interested in promoting her political career.
Can't get her off the stage fast enough as far as I'm concerned.
I actually don't believe this to be true for the majority of the Dem candidates.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Trump’s lies ain’t fish stories.
I don’t have much of an issue with your Warren criticism.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
I’m not wild about her antagonistic approach toward the financial sector and the ultra wealthy. Demonizing people isn’t the answer. We can have a conversation and an approach that doesn’t have to rise to a level of vitriol. She dialed it back somewhat on MFA, would also like to see a more measured approach on tax policy so that we’re not creating “bad guys”. We need less “us vs. them” in this country, not more.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
She wasn’t asked a question.
It is a true statement that her children went to public schools. (Both did.)
It is not true that her children went to private schools. (Only one did.)
timschochet
Footballguy
Unfortunately, and I write this even though I have always liked her personally (though I disagree with her politics and oppose her right now because I think she would lose to Trump)...this is becoming a pattern.
From the silly Native American scandal to the question of Medicare for All involving new taxation on the middle class and now to this, she prevaricates. She tells half truths or deceptive truths. She appears to be hiding something. It’s not a good look.
All she had to say is “yes in part they did. I’m one of the very lucky few that were privileged enough to send my kids, at times, to ritzy private schools. Most people can’t. That’s why we need to improve public education...etc.”
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
She was being deliberately disingenuous on a fairly mundane topic where the truth would have sufficed. You can choose to enable her all you want. Doesn't change the fact that she is a flawed candidate.
sho nuff
Footballguy
But to me this is what i disagreed with...yes, technically saying both of her children attended public schools is true...they dod, in fact, both attend public schools. We can agree she could have expanded...and should have to be more forthcoming. But what she said is, most certainly, technically true. Even of it is incomplete.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am not going to get bent out of shape over her lying or telling a half-truth, because all politicians lie; it's what they do. But the optics are bad for her, since she keeps getting caught in telling these lies/half-truths, and in this case, the fact that her immediate reaction to a question or comment she likely wasn't totally prepared for was to not tell the truth is indicative of her character, or lack thereof. Biden might be a gaffe machine, but at least at least seems more real with his mess-ups and gaffes, unlike Warren who often seems like she is throwing out lies and whatever she thinks will make people vote for her. She comes off as very fake.
krista4
Footballguy
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
---- Maya Angelou
---- Maya Angelou
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I just watched the clip of Warren saying her kids went to public school. Meh, feels like people getting worked up over nothing.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Maybe so, but Warren should know that people from both parties are going to get "worked up" over her half-truths, and she should have been better prepared for that question.
To me, her response was a parallel to the way she handled the Native American issue. She is so afraid to acknowledge basic facts (because she thinks it will be seen as a weakness), that she overcompensates by saying something incomplete or misleading. Those types of moments might be acceptable in a Senate campaign, but they're going to backfire on her when she's in the national spotlight.
An ounce of prevention would have saved her from a pound of corrections.
I haven’t seen the clip, but saying “no” when the correct statement was “yes” is not technically telling the truth.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
That’s true but in the context of the conversation in the clip, the fully correct answer wasn’t no or yes.
[scooter]
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