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Remember when the Giants won in '07-'08 and were marching for the title in '09 when Plaxico shot himself? Would the Giants of '08,'09, and '11 have been a dynasty?
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True about Nicks. They were steamrolling teams that season, though. Then Burress goes down and all they see is stacked boxes. It was weird watching them. I just remember them beating the pants off of the Panthers and thinking "Super Bowl."Giants were steamrolling teams that season. I believe they would have won back to back.
After that who knows, they probably don't draft Hakeem Nicks in 2009. Nicks put up the 2nd most receiving yards, ever, in a single playoff season in 2011 with 444.
To young to remenber you must be oldRemember when the Giants won in '07-'08 and were marching for the title in '09 when Plaxico shot himself? Would the Giants of '08,'09, and '11 have been a dynasty?
:gasps, clutches chest, faints aimlessly away:To young to remenber you must be old
Remember the receiver crew from that draft? I thought the big 4 was going to be great. Percy Harvin, Maclin, Nicks, Crabtree. Then you had DHB, Britt, Wallace... Then way back in the 7th, Julian Edelman.Ha, remember when Hakeem Nicks was a stud for one season?
Injuries killed that guys career. He was a talented WR who could have made NY fans happy for many years.Ha, remember when Hakeem Nicks was a stud for one season?
Why does Eli matter? I was asking if the Giants were a dynasty if Burress doesn't shoot himself. Three SB titles in four years seems like enough to qualify. Who cares what Eli did?Other than the two SB seasons, Eli did not win a playoff game in any other season. The Giants have been only slightly better than a .500 team with Eli over his career. They got hot in the playoffs twice. But a chance for a dynasty? I don’t see it.
The Giants had so much talent on the defensive side of the ball it wasn't funny. They shut down historical offensive teams and then beat them again.Doubt it, most dynasties have either an all-time great qb, which Eli isn't. Or so much talent on both sides of the ball and a really good quarterback, like the 90's Cowboys or the 70's Steelers. The Giants had neither.
They had a great line and had a great run in the playoffs. They weren't a dominate defense during the season or in 2011.The Giants had so much talent on the defensive side of the ball it wasn't funny. They shut down historical offensive teams and then beat them again.
Whupped 'em, you might say.
Why does Eli matter? He hasn’t been that great of a QB over his career. In one of the other Eli threads I linked an article that showed he actually has been below average or below replacement level over his career.Why does Eli matter? I was asking if the Giants were a dynasty if Burress doesn't shoot himself. Three SB titles in four years seems like enough to qualify. Who cares what Eli did?
No, the QB doesn't matter. Eli may have been below average or below replacement. That doesn't impact a team. What I see is a team that could have won in '08, '09, and '11. In football, you'd have to consider that dynastic in the cap era. That's what I'm arguing.Why does Eli matter? He hasn’t been that great of a QB over his career. In one of the other Eli threads I linked an article that showed he actually has been below average or below replacement level over his career.
So I don’t see the Giants winning another SB in that era even if Burress stayed on the field.
They had two great runs that led to two Super Bowls over the Patriots. That doesn't speak to organizational competence?They had a great line and had a great run in the playoffs. They weren't a dominate defense during the season or in 2011.
I forgot the s on runs. I was talking about both years, but I can't possibly believe that a dynasty was derailed by a slightly above average receiver. Plus everything else factored in.They had two great runs that led to two Super Bowls over the Patriots. That doesn't speak to organizational competence?
The hawks won back to back. Are they a dynasty?No, the QB doesn't matter. Eli may have been below average or below replacement. That doesn't impact a team. What I see is a team that could have won in '08, '09, and '11. In football, you'd have to consider that dynastic in the cap era. That's what I'm arguing.
I see what you're saying, but the fundamental gameplay of Kevin Gilbride was altered by Burress's absence. Teams stacked eight in the box immediately after he shot himself. It was apparent.I forgot the s on runs. I was talking about both years, but I can't possibly believe that a dynasty was derailed by a slightly above average receiver. Plus everything else factored in.
If they won in 09 yes, but everything changes then, I don't think we see the same team in 11. Any team that wins 3 out of 4 should be considered a dynasty.Simply put: If the Giants win in '09, are they dynastic? What are the requirements for a dynasty?
And they would have won with Burress. They were a juggernaut the first eleven or twelve games.
Blackhawks? Or Seahawks? Not being nitpicky, just curious. I think the Seahawks lost in the SB. They're probably pretty close if they win and then win again two years later, if that's what you're asking.The hawks won back to back. Are they a dynasty?
True. I was just spitballing. Slow day here. Not trying to argue for dynastic consideration, I'm just wondering.If they won in 09 yes, but everything changes then, I don't think we see the same team in 11. Any team that wins 3 out of 4 should be considered a dynasty.
Oh, Dr. D., I forgive you, too. Tuck that jersey in!Rockaction has to start 14 threads a day, so let's forgive him please.
And forever to history was bostonfred's avatar changed.Remember the receiver crew from that draft? I thought the big 4 was going to be great. Percy Harvin, Maclin, Nicks, Crabtree. Then you had DHB, Britt, Wallace... Then way back in the 7th, Julian Edelman.
Good question. Likely not. Plax was before the looming specter of the all-powerful Goodell, though. Or at least regards Goodell, what the owners want him to be.If today's rules were in effect, would Plaxico have played at all that year?
"In August and September 2008, Totowa police responded to two domestic disturbance calls at the Burress residence. At both times temporary restraining orders were issued that were later dismissed by the New Jersey state court."
No, msudaisy26, I know. It's just that they saw stacked boxes the rest of the year without an outside threat. It's certainly never a given they win. I'm seriously just speculating about one player's removal from one team in one given year.The other thing to remember is that the best team doesn't always win in the playoffs. I don't think it was a given they win the super bowl even with Burress.
Dynasty teams are good enough to be successful despite the loss of a single player. I guess my answer is "no".Remember when the Giants won in '07-'08 and were marching for the title in '09 when Plaxico shot himself? Would the Giants of '08,'09, and '11 have been a dynasty?
That's what I mainly remember from that year. How well they ran the ball. I think Ward had 150+ vs. a very good Carolina team. With Plax outside, nobody could stack the box against their strength. He was their deep outside threat, and that really hurt them when he was lost.That 2008 team was really good. Much better than the team that won the Super Bowl in 2007.
Earth, Wind and Fire (Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward and Ahmad Bradshaw) were running all over the league.
I believe they were on their way to winning back to back Super Bowls until Plax shot himself. The probably still draft Nicks the following year since 2008 was Toomer’s last season.
I guess it’s possible they could have been a dynasty, as a Giants fan I prefer not to think about it because its depressing when I think about how good that 2008 team was.
It definitely would have elevated Eli Manning's numbers. Burress was scoring touchdowns like a machineRemember when the Giants won in '07-'08 and were marching for the title in '09 when Plaxico shot himself? Would the Giants of '08,'09, and '11 have been a dynasty?
Jacobs & Ward both went over 1000 yards for the season.That's what I mainly remember from that year. How well they ran the ball. I think Ward had 150+ vs. a very good Carolina team. With Plax outside, nobody could stack the box against their strength. He was their deep outside threat, and that really hurt them when he was lost.