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Not really. He's playing with a broken vertebrae in his back. And obviously still not 100% from the ACL and PCL tears. I can 100% understand why they would prefer not to play him. But in the necessary situation, I can also understand why they would put him out there over the third-stringer.
Yea if Wentz is healthy enough to backup, he should be starting. Sudfeld will be the backup.
If Foles we're to somehow win another Super Bowl, I think they've almost have to trade Wentz. It would be an awful town for him to play in.
The pressure would be immense. I’d genuinely feel bad for him. Man, what an unbelievable situation for the team to be in. And almost fictional amounts of “palace intrigue.”
I think Wentz is too mentally tough for it to impact him on the field. If anything, it will make him work even harder than he already does. The guy just seems to have a different head on his shoulder than most.
He could play MVP ball like he did last year every single season and it would still be considered a failure if he didn't win the Super Bowl. They'd say Foles' could win the big one but Wentz couldn't. I am all too familiar with Eagles fans. I would wish him out of town for his own good if Foles won another Super Bowl this year.
Curious with this one. Only because apparently he’s a ##### and players didn’t like him. If that’s true he may have to settle for OC
I think a lot of it has to do with how many positions are open, and the options that are available. Most teams are looking for offensive coaches. That means there's 8 openings, and Gase is likely the "best" offensive minded coach that just got fired. I think he's not great, but he still managed to pull off some decent seasons in Miami without a lot of talent. He'll find a place somewhere for sure.
Nobody could deal with that much pressure and not let it negatively affect them. For a year or two? Maybe. But the pressure would build.
I'd take him at OC I guess, but not sure he's the kind of guy that is good to settle in at OC now for a few years. Seems like he really fought for MORE control, so to take a tep back would be painful.Deamon said:
I've been saying Maddox and Rasul were gonna be keeper. Maddox could be a steal too.babydemon90 said:
out of the 7 coaches hired in 2016 Doug Pederson is the only HC that is still on the team that hired him. As Doug said he was coach 7 of 7 that year.Insein said:
Yeah I heard he wasn't well liked by players in MIA. Heard some gal that some people were not fans of how he handled the AJayi situationDeamon said:
I can definitely see Foles going elsewhere and failing. I think FOles is a system guy and Doug and the Eagles just get the best out of himvoiceofunreason said:
It's that Vegan diet he went onBigboy10182000 said:
Ramsey contract literally gives the Jags zero reason to trade/cut him
How many QBs would you say aren’t “system guys”? Even here on our own team, hasn’t it been established that Foles does better with the RPO offense than Wentz which means in a way they are BOTH somewhat system dependent? I’ll grant you that Wentz is likely more adaptable to more systems due to his athleticism (and maybe he’s smarter too although I don’t think he reads the field as well. Yet.)
Dismissing his year with the Rams because Fisher was coach is weak. Fisher didn't fail to read the defenses or throw the interceptions. His offense might not be one that allows quarterbacks to rack up big numbers, but he still the one taking the snaps reading the defenses and making the throws. Foles was terrible that year. He doesn't get a mulligan.
Disagree. He’s not thin-skinned like McNabb. The opposite, in fact.JuniorNB said:
Right. If anything, running an offense on a Fisher team is the epitome of deserving a mulligan.
I always thought he hampered McNair too. Look at how much better he was in Baltimore at passing. Fisher and Buddy Ryan were cut from the same cloth as far as offensive philosophy goes.
Oh Ok. Then I guess we have to factor in Wentz’s 7-9 2016 record and his 5-6 record this year. Two losing records sandwiched around an absolutely brilliant 11-2 run last year. Which is the real Wentz? The guy with two losing records or the guy with the brilliant run last year? If Foles doesn’t get a mulligan for Fisher, then don’t give Wentz any either. You seem 100% convinced Wentz is the 11-2 guy despite his losing record this year. And hey, I hope you’re right! I am not 100% convinced though. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: it doesn’t seem like many of you on this board even want to objectively discuss pros and cons of keeping either player. It’s as if in most minds it’s an absolute slam dunk Wentz is the overwhelmingly clear better option. Despite the injury history; despite the records of both players this year; despite the fact that what if Foles is just a better fit for Doug (not the least of which Doug calls a better balanced game and the line doesn’t have to hold their blocks so damn long waiting for Wentz to escape and find Ertz) and for the team and is a PROVEN winner of the biggest of games while Wentz’s track record with 4th quarter comebacks is not very good at all.. What if those intangibles that Nick has are things Wentz won’t ever really have?
Wentz is a siam dunk over Foles. It's not even in question. Now if you want to make the (crazy) assumption that his ACL/PCL tear was career-altering and he'll never get back to the player he was last year when healthy, then that's another matter. But last year's Wentz was the best quarterback in the entire league. You should go back and watch video in case you need a reminder. For some reason, you're judging him by the year he was still recovering and then played the last several games with a broken back. Oh, and his numbers this year, at probably 75%, were the seventh-best amongst all quarterbacks. 21 TDs and 7 interceptions. With 70% passes complete. And if you take away his one bad game (you want to take away an entire season with the Rams for Foles), he was 21/4. And that's his poor season. Think about that
Slam dunk? Ok man. I hope you prove to be in the right on this. I sincerely do. I wish I was as confident but I’m not. In any case, we got more immediate concerns
Be honest. You had doubts about Wentz last year when he was the MVP favorite and earned Philly home field throughout? Or this year, when he was recovering from ACL/PCL surgery and broken vertebrae?Slam dunk? Ok man. I hope you prove to be in the right on this. I sincerely do. I wish I was as confident but I’m not. In any case, we got more immediate concerns
No, I had no doubts last year. I thought he was playing at a transcendent level. But the injuries and some somewhat mild concerns that perhaps the league has caught up with him a bit leave me a little worried moving forward. I think it’s a crime he didn’t win MVP. I thought he deserved it even with the shortened season. But watching him find less success than Foles this year leaves me to wonder. Perhaps year two post op he will be back to what he was as the 11-2 Carson. And if so, I’ll happily eat crow and flog myself for not having the supreme faith in him that you do.
Wentz is the future without question. He’s a stud in every way you evaluate a franchise QBS. That said I am concerned about Wentz’s propensity for injury. He plays a style that creates a higher than average probability.
Yeah, I think even Junior and I agree on the point that should Foles win another super bowl, Wentz may be better off elsewhere for his own psyche. It wouldn’t be fair to him but the pressure in this city would be potentially untenable.
They weren't great, but their talent was pretty brutal. I think he did an okay job in Miami, and with how many openings there are, he might be one of the highest sought after guys out there.
Disagree. If he gets back to form and keeps winning, no one will care. People are always going to yell when it's going bad. Players know this. He's not Manziel or Leaf. He can take the heat when it's going bad. Was Peyton's psyche broken after starting 3-13? Was Marino broken after seasons with no title? Jim Kelly after losing 4 super bowls? The great ones shrug it off or at least don't let people know that it bothers them.
