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6 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

for me...Hunt/Four/Cook/Gordon

Hunt going to carry a lot of mail in running and passing game and just think that offense will be a little more explosive with more trips to the red zone....KC dedicated almost the entire draft to defense and will be getting Berry back, signed Emerson/Fuller...so yeah losing Peters hurts and maybe some shootouts but either way Hunt on the field...so slight edge over Four....Gordon scares me this year....Cook should be fine but agree about cuffing Murray on that one...

you're a Chefs homer right? I think Fournette and Gordon are "safer" than hunt IMO. 

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6 hours ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

you're a Chefs homer right? I think Fournette and Gordon are "safer" than hunt IMO. 

Yes....thats fair...Hunt did lead the leage in rushing even with a tough stretch in the middle and only getting one carry in week 17...and reports indicate Reid wants him more involved in the passing game...I can see an arguement for Any four of them and good chance they finish close to each other when all is said nd done...

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The rest of my Draft:

Steve Sarkisian struggled deploying his personnel in his 1st Season as Falcons OC, and I think an offseason is going to do him a world of good. Although I think there are legit questions about Austin Hooper's ability to be dynamic, and there may not be enough footballs to go around, I think Hooper will continue to trend up, and in TE Enhanced, I felt he was an appropriate grab here, even with no Flex. Unfortunately, I didn't take the extra step of re-checking the Bye Weeks, and coming out of that pick, I was staring at Rivers/8, Delanie Walker/8 and Hooper/8, and that would have an effect on my Draft moving forward. Comet sniped me on Burkhead in Round 10, but I think Gio was a decent consolation. I love how he finished 2017, and I hope the Bengals will build on that in 2018. I missed out on plenty of targets as the Draft moved to 11.11. You could just smell a run coming on PK or D/ST, and when Sweet Love pulled the trigger on Gostkowski at 11.09, I thought I'd throw on a log and see if it would start a fire, taking Greg The Leg, especially after Reaper sniped me on Ty Montgomery. It helped: 7 of next 10 picks were PK. Nothing really appealed to me when it came back in Rd 12, so I followed the lead of Holloway and Bro1ncos , and grabbed a 2nd PK, Boswell. Bass really surprised me, taking his 3rd QB/Flacco in 13 - he did that last year, and was bounced in Week 3, so I didn't think he'd do it again, and I was targeting Flacco to fall. At that point, I started seriously considering going with 1QB (and really avoiding Week 8 the rest of the way). Again, I found nothing compelling at 13.11, and the D/ST run was beginning, so I grabbed the Ravens, who were the best remaining, IMHO. I'm willing to gamble and go with 1 D/ST, as long as they have an early Bye, when there are more Teams still in the running, and I strongly considered the Panthers (Bye 4). At the time, I planned on taking an early bye D/ST later, because I wasn't planning on having any remaining Redskins, Panthers, Bears or Bucs on my Team.

5 picks remaining, and I had some serious work to do at RB, and not much to pick from. I'm betting Abdullah won't be on the Lions come September, and that his issues stem from his fit in Detroit. I liked that gamble better than D.Murray, Muscle Hamster, and the other assorted remaining dreck that I figured would fall to me later. If he winds up somewhere else and gets utilized to his strengths, he's going to be a value RB4. Gott roll the dice late in a 16-Teamer. Sweet Love doubled up on Tyrod/Mayfield in 14/15, and at that point I moved forward fairly certain I was going with 1QB. Lots of 'my guy' WR swing for the fences types had left the building in Round 10/11 (Stills, Hurns, Golladay, Lockett, DJax, Ginn, Lee/Moncrief, Mike Williams, Corey Coleman), and I'd ignored WR for a bit after hitting it early and often. I made a little comeback at the 15/16 turn with a pair of ex-Cardinals, Jon Brown/Jaron Brown. If everything goes according to plan, they should be catching occasional bombs from Flacco and Wilson. Like the guys I mentioned previously, that's what I want on my bench - the classic 'Devery Henderson' type, who's periodic 3/77/1 can luck you into winning a Week or 2 when you really need a boost. I would have liked Curtis Samuel to have fallen. 2 picks remaining, and at this point, committed to 1QB and likely 1 D/ST, despite the less than optimal Ravens bye week 10. I still had to deal with both TE on Bye Week 8 along with my 1 QB Rivers. Pretty significant holes to be addressing so late. I had been keeping my eye on Luke Willson, and at 17.11 he was a no-brainer. I know there's a lot to play out between now and September, and Michael Roberts is a hot topic. Willson is a guy I've dabbled with in Seattle, and I think he's the classic waiting for an unobstructed opportunity guy, and I think he's going to rock it in Rock City. If I'm right, I fixed a big issue there, and I'm getting great #'s out of TE all Season long. I just need a big Week 8 (home vs Seahawks sounds pretty good to me). Last pick: considered Sam Bradford and Lamar Jackson. Nope, just going with Rivers. Cardale Jones. What's that going to do for me? Not that. A 2nd D/ST...the only early bye one remaining was the Redskins (at Bucs Week 10, when Ravens are off). Only 2 other guys off Week 10...I'll risk it. One of my Week 10 byes was Royce Freeman, and while I had 4, one was Abdullah, so I looked RB, where I'd been watching Gore sitting out there for several rounds. Watching him because I'm a big fan of vets who play 'for love of the game' (I love that movie), and Gore finishing up in Miami, is IMHO, the stuff movies are made of. I really think that. I really like Drake, but I think the Dolphins want to maximize his value as a time share to keep him healthy. That's all a no quit in him guy like Gore needs. I'm gonna get stats out of that guy.

Last year's win here was the first time I've ever won one of these things. It's mighty tough drafting solidly through 18 Rounds of a 16-Team serpentine, but I didn't do terribly. I have some land mines, for sure: Rivers goes down, so do I. Ravens D/ST has to be as good as I think it will be. Pinning a lot on a rookie RB, but at least he's the one I'm the most optimistic about after Saquon (although Guice is starting to grow on me). If Royce doesn't do, outside of Gio, I only have a couple of veteran darts (Ameer, Gore) to plug in alongside 4nette...but I like those vet darts...and I like Luke Willson a bunch as TE3.  Every Team carries some kind of risk in these, I may carry more than most.

Go big or go home!

Rivers

4nette, Rolls-Royce, Gio, Ameer, Gore

AJG, Starvin' Marvin, Cobb, Hogan, BrownJohn, BrownJaron

D.Walker, Hooper, Willson

Greg The Leg, Boswell

Ravens

 

 

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NittanyLion squad

Rivers (8) - Dodds has him at QB14 so a little on the low side to trust solo, but he has a history of playing every game and he is consistent.

4nette (9), Rolls-Royce (10), Gio (9), Ameer (6), Gore (11) Dodds ppr rankings are RB11, 38, 52 & 70 - between the low side rankings, the injuries and the last two not being heavily counted on by the masses I am not a huge fan of your RBs. I will join you in hoping Frank Gore can defeat father time again this year which would help 

AJG (9), Starvin' Marvin (6), Cobb (7), Hogan (11), BrownJohn (10), BrownJaron (7) - Dodds ppr rankings are WR7, 25, 30, 41, 66 & 71. Like your six WRs a lot, you have several higher ranked players and all six have the boom week potential which is ideal for best ball. Only one week where you are thin with four, well done

D.Walker (8), Hooper (8), Willson (6) - Dodds ppr rankings are TE7, 22 & 36 - Huge Walker fan, but think that Hooper will be hard pressed to match last year's production with the addition of Ridley to go along with Julio and Sanu. Really tough break with the top two off on week 8. Maybe should have grabbed the third earlier for more strength and better week 8 odds.

Greg The Leg (12), Boswell (7) - two solid kickers on pretty good offenses

Ravens (10) - nice DST, but defenses don't score consistently so it is a little more than the week ten zero that is risked

Risk at QB and DST going solo and top two TEs both off week 8 highlight the trouble, but it seems that going solo at two positions would give more strength at RB, WR or TE than what I see. Great season last year and a great competitor year in and year out, so I wish you the best here and in all the other year long survivors. Enjoy competing and your commentary is appreciated.

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For me, I've got them at:

  • Hunt RB7
  • Gordon RB8
  • Fournette RB10
  • Cook RB13

With the top three really close

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On 5/14/2018 at 11:46 AM, Stephen Holloway said:

QB - 4.1 Wlson Sea (7) and 16.1 Darnold ROOK NYJ (11) - Took Wilson fairly early and as QB2 so I determined then to be patient and wait on a second QB. Was hoping for Eli Manning as he had been going very late in earlier survivors but that was not to be. I prefer Darnold over the other rookie QBs, particularly for 2018 so was happy to get him. He is very young and it could be that he does not play much, but I expect that most of the first round QBs will play at some point this year and I need Darnold at or before week seven. Not a strength, but if Wilson is as good as I expect, it can be middle of the pack or better. 

One of the things I am interested in watching is what NYJ does with either of McCown/Bridewater....to me it seems a little overkill and that one of them needs to go...and then when one of them does, I could actually see whoever it is being picked up very quickly and immediately becoming a teams #2...ton of teams where I see either of those guys being an upgrade to teams current #2's....possibly #1's....anyway, with Wilson you shouldn't be losing many points to the pack here each week, anything you get from Darnold besides bye week coverage is gravy. 

RB - 5.16 Alex Collins BLT (10), 6.1 T. Coleman ATL (8), 8.1 Crowell NYJ (11) & 14.1N. Hines ROOK Ind (9) - Waited very late here and really like all of the top three. David Dodds has them at RB16, RB27 and RB31 and I drafted them at RB26, 27 & 34. Sig sold me on Hines capabilities and he has a chance to play a lot in Indianapolis, so this RB group could out perform the draft capital expended. I need for them to keep me afloat, but not have to carry the team.

don't know what to think of Kenneth Dixon and his return in BAL, but between him and Allen, I am shying away from Collins a little bit, it would have me a little nervous...like the Crowell so top 3 should keep you in the mix and the rookie a nice dart throw that could get you some ROI...

WR - 1.16 J. Jones ATL (8), 2.1 M. Thomas NO (6), 3.16 A. Robinson CHI (5), 9.16 P. Richardson WSH (4), 15.16 J. J. Nelson ARZ (9) & 18.1 T. Williams DAL (8) - Here is the strength of this team and it was purposeful. I took WR4, 5 and 19. David Dodds has them at WR3, 6 and 23 so I did not get relative bargains here and may have spent too much on Robinson as my third WR. Richardson has been a target all off-season for me and was happy to get him again. The last two were struggles. I did not see RBs that I wanted to add and kind of settled on these guys as I was visiting my Mom for Mother's Day weekend and did not really search long and hard. Williams should see targets, but I probably should have taken my second DST at 15.16 and improved there over Tampa Bay later. The only slot that I really did not like my selection afterwards.

should probably be the top unit....fan of the Nelson and Richardson picks...not much to say here...some serious investment at the top that will need to pay off on down weeks from Wislon...

TE - 7.16 C. Brate TB (5) & 10.1 B. Watson NO (6) - Waited a little too late on TEs getting those three RBs and three WRs, but like the tandem of Brate and Watson although they are on the risky side. Brate has Howard wanting to take targets and Watson is getting long in the tooth. With the absence of Ingram early on, perhaps Brees and the Saints will attempt to save Kamara and pass more early on and then switch back to the run dependency of last season in week six or seven for the rest of the year.

agree with some of your your assessment... this group may not be able to ham an egg quite enough for you to post a decent score every week....

PK - 11.16 Lutz NO (6) & 12.1 Tucker BLT (10) - Got two solid guys and helped trigger the run which might have helped my get Hines, but nothing else significant.

DST - 13.16 Saints (6) & 17.16 Tampa Bay (5) - Like the Saints and the Bucs were kind of my pick of the remainder and getting the early bye.

should be fine with these two groups.....was a little rich for my blood, but it didn't cost you much as unfortunately sheep will be sheep...

Comments appreciated and keep the conversation here on all teams alive. Everyone pitch in with a review of their team so we can all poke holes.

overall...think you are having a heck of a year in these....our only hope is Wilson struggles early and you get caught with not having a solid QB2 and middling TE's.....good luck

 

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On 5/14/2018 at 11:56 AM, Sweet Love said:

Mariota, Marcus TEN QB     8
Mayfield, Baker CLE QB 11
Taylor, Tyrod CLE QB  11

Got very luck when it came to getting the CLE combo.  There are a ton of weapons there now, and unless there is some kind of Kizer shocker, I have that locked up at low-round prices.  What was a glaring weakness in my mind, turned out to be OK.

I see that going 3 deep here left you somewhat thin #'s wise at RB and WR. While "locking up" a QB position has some benefits, it hurts in a 18 round draft compared to 20 and it kind of sucks knowing that going into every week one of your 18 roster spots does not have a chance to score for you. CLE added a ton of weapons and everybody is predicting a "bounce back" year for MM, but not sure I'm buying.  Partially because I leaned on him heavily in one home league/draft last year and he #### the bed. I give less credit to "playing with injuries" than most people do, fact is he played in all but one game last year and he sucked  (fantasy wise).    

Ballage, Kalen MIA RB 11
Henry, Derrick TEN RB    8
Johnson, Duke CLE RB   11
Michel, Sony NEP RB 11

Not loving this group.  Two rookies, and both will be in a timeshare, at best.  My favorite pick was the Duke Johnson in the 8th or 9th, but this group could give me problems.  Taking a third QB hurt, but there wasn't much in the way of RBs at that point anyway.

ALL of these guys in serious time shares, could be some down weeks in a start 2 league.  You need some serious ham an egg

Adams, Davante GBP WR      7
Beckham, Odell NYG WR   9
Funchess, Devin CAR WR    4
Matthews, Rishard TEN WR    8
Westbrook, Dede JAC WR    9

Strength of the team...could possibly have three top 20 WRs in a 16 teamer.

Counting on Adams to stay strong, he and OBJ make a nice 1-2 punch. CAR added some depth to the WR group so I think if you get anything close to last year it will be a huge bonus, I expect a little regression with Moore, Smith, Samueal, Wright, Olsen, in the mix. Who knows who will emerge in JAC.  I still really like Mathews even though some are down on him. Really need this group to stay healthy.  

Cook, Jared OAK TE    7
Howard, O.J. TBB TE    5

Not loving this group, but getting Cook where I did, makes it palatable.  Not sure whether my guys can keep pace with Ref's Ronald McDonald and Tim Burton, but I'll give it a shot.

I know what you mean about not really loving these guys, but it could be worse. I don't think either totally disappears any given week, so you should post a respectable score.

Forbath, Kai MIN PK    10
Gostkowski, Stephen NEP PK    11

Feel good about this

Cardinals, Arizona ARI Def    9
Dolphins, Miami MIA Def    11

Not inspiring, but at least I got two.

I would have rode solo with Gost if the plan was to go 3 deep at QB. IMO a lot will depend on how things shake out for you at RB.  If you struggle there you will need your WR's to go big and give you solid weekly above avg ROI.  While not bad overall, I could see you doing the cut line dance many weeks, with not many blow up weeks/immunities. Good luck:banned:

 

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On 5/14/2018 at 6:55 PM, Norseman said:

QB: 5:15 Andrew Luck, 6:02 Alex Smith 

QB’s 16 & 17, as long as Luck is healthy they should both out preform their draft spots, “possibly challenging for one of the top duos”. I would have waited to the 7/8 turn if I would have known that Keenum & Eli would have been available. 

Man what is up with Luck? Crazy to have any confidence about how he will play if/when he gets healthy. Think Smith will be a little underrated in WAS.  Could be rock solid to really really good here if Luck returns to form.

RB: 3:15 Ronald Jones, 7:15 Chris Thompson, 10:02 James White, 14:02 Chris Carson 

RB’s 20, 33, 44, & 55. Jones should be the lead dog in scoring in Tampa by mid season if not sooner. Thompson was RB #9 when he got injured last year. White finished as RB 40, 26, & 38 the last 3 years, so should at least hit value as #44. Carson looked good before the injury, so just need to stay off IR. There isn’t much to choose from at RB that late in the draft. Below average 

Agree with the below avg assessment here.  You are rolling the dice and banking on some serious PPR.  If Jones is truly the man, you keep your head above water here.  I like Carson more than others so I am not totally slamming this group. No bye week issues a bonus.

WR: 2.02 Mike Evans, 4.02 JuJu Smith-Schuster, 8.02 Calvin Ridley, 9.15 Courtland Sutton, 15.15 Tyrell Williams, 17.15 Tre’Quan Smith 

WR’s 6, 20, 43, 52, 77, 88.  Hope Evans bounces back from a down year. JuJu should improve on his good rookie year. Three rookies maybe too many, but Ridley should be one of the top rookies this year.  Probably took Sutton too early. Williams finished 43rd last year, so he is good value at #77.  If Smith can get a few big weeks from Brees that would be all I could ask for. Average with upside, depending on the rookies 

I think you are on spot with your assessment. Even about Sutton, agree that felt early. Evans being a bargain at 2.02 would help. 

TE: 1:15 Travis Kelce, 11:15 Jake Butt

TE’s 2 & 26.  Kelce has been TE #1 the last two years.  Should give me a big advantage over most. I have taken J Butt in WSL, PDSL, & SSL. I like his upside in Denver as long as he is recovered from the knee injury, which reports look good. Or I just like big Butts. Above average, should help me with my average or below RBs & WRs.

Love Kelce to stay top 3. Butt could be a great snag or a wasted pick.  I think he carves out a solid top 12 role myself.

PK: 12:02 Matt Bryant, 16:02 Daniel Carlson 

Bryant finished 1st two years ago and 8th last year.  Atlanta should improve on last year. The Vikings used a pick on one of the top kickers in the draft, so he will be given every shot at winning the job, in my opinion.  I am wondering what your opinions are on this, other than Sweet Love’s.

I have no clue and am as surprised as anybody how the PK thing shakes out in August. With Bryant you are cool either way, could have gone solo IMO.

DEF: 13:15 Carolina, 18:02 Buffalo 

I like the Panthers early bye. Would have taken TB if Holloway hadn’t, I guess I should have taken them at 17:15.

Overall: Luck will be huge factor in determining your success.  Little soft at RB but pretty solid everywhere else IMO.  Good luck.

 

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On 5/16/2018 at 10:03 AM, nittanylion said:

Rivers

Not a fan of solo QB in this format.  Shares bye week with your top two TE's (but nobody else) so you need to go large in week 7. When I think solo QB my list pretty much begins and ends at Rodgers. 

4nette, Rolls-Royce, Gio, Ameer, Gore

Ok with this group.  If AA gets a decent piece of the pie thats a bonus.  Gore may play more than we think.

AJG, Starvin' Marvin, Cobb, Hogan, BrownJohn, BrownJaron

Pretty solid cause I like Hogan more than Cobb, so a nice top 4.  Contributions from the Brown will be a bonus if you get any. 

D.Walker, Hooper, Willson

I might have passed on Wilson and ate the doughnut at TE in week 8, and rolled the dice on Bradford or McCarron so you had a shot of a QB score in week 8.  Is Wilson going to score more that week then one of those guys? Maybe if they aren't playing, but even then it won't be significant.  And you would have had another QB score for a few weeks in case Rivers has a bad week early. :shrug:Is Wilson even the TE to own in SEA?  :shrug:

Greg The Leg, Boswell

Hard to be Monday Morning QB...but with issues at QB/TE/DST riding solo here with the leg might have been a good option.

Ravens

Tough to get behind this group overall as you need outstanding weekly play from only one QB/DST. Would be epic if you made a run though.  Good luck. :banned:

 

 

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On 5/14/2018 at 10:22 AM, Stinkin Ref said:

I'll be a a little ornery....that comment by Oz about challenge for top QB dou got my attention as well....I feel Wentz may produce well on his own earning a top spot, but in terms of a "dou" there are several I like a lot better...:whistle:

I think a few are in contention. Dak/ben, JG/Carr, Cam/cousins, and Ryan/Winston round out my top 5 groups but I think Wentz, if fully recovered, outscores all of those top guys, and Mitch is going to be this year's Goff. So I'll keep mine on top - but qbbc involves a lot of luck. 

On 5/14/2018 at 4:03 PM, Stephen Holloway said:

I agree my RBs are not top quarter and possibly not top half, but worse? I will disagree.

I like Hines in best ball, the rest are solid. Not top half but solid enough IMO. Better than mine anyway. Until Bell gets injured and Murray signs with the Steelers...

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17 hours ago, -OZ- said:

I think a few are in contention. Dak/ben, JG/Carr, Cam/cousins, and Ryan/Winston round out my top 5 groups but I think Wentz, if fully recovered, outscores all of those top guys, and Mitch is going to be this year's Goff. So I'll keep mine on top - but qbbc involves a lot of luck. 

I like Hines in best ball, the rest are solid. Not top half but solid enough IMO. Better than mine anyway. Until Bell gets injured and Murray signs with the Steelers...

Karma warning in SSL 1 aisle three

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20 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

 

Thanks for the assessment, and probably spot on.  One thing I would change (would be instead of just going with Gost, just go with one Def.  Kickers score in this league, so you don't want to miss out on having a couple.  However, I feel as though the defensive scoring is very conservative, and I remember looking back last year and seeing that besides an outlier or two, there is little spread between 3 or 4 and 20 in the DEF outcomes.  Another option would have been to punt on Mariotta, and take Taylor/Mayfield where I did, and then "bet" on another guy (Bradford, Rosen, McCown, etc).  At least there I would have a better option than Ballage (like a Cohen/Dion Lweis-type)...yeah, that is what I should have done.

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@Sweet Love I agree that the Browns have much better athletes at the fantasy skill positions, but waiting late and counting on a trio of the two Browns QB with another even later sounds like more risk than I am willing to take. Like many, I see improvements for them on offense but they still have the same head coach.

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On 5/16/2018 at 1:19 PM, Stephen Holloway said:

NittanyLion squad

Rivers (8) - Dodds has him at QB14 so a little on the low side to trust solo, but he has a history of playing every game and he is consistent.

4nette (9), Rolls-Royce (10), Gio (9), Ameer (6), Gore (11) Dodds ppr rankings are RB11, 38, 52 & 70 - between the low side rankings, the injuries and the last two not being heavily counted on by the masses I am not a huge fan of your RBs. I will join you in hoping Frank Gore can defeat father time again this year which would help 

AJG (9), Starvin' Marvin (6), Cobb (7), Hogan (11), BrownJohn (10), BrownJaron (7) - Dodds ppr rankings are WR7, 25, 30, 41, 66 & 71. Like your six WRs a lot, you have several higher ranked players and all six have the boom week potential which is ideal for best ball. Only one week where you are thin with four, well done

D.Walker (8), Hooper (8), Willson (6) - Dodds ppr rankings are TE7, 22 & 36 - Huge Walker fan, but think that Hooper will be hard pressed to match last year's production with the addition of Ridley to go along with Julio and Sanu. Really tough break with the top two off on week 8. Maybe should have grabbed the third earlier for more strength and better week 8 odds.

Greg The Leg (12), Boswell (7) - two solid kickers on pretty good offenses

Ravens (10) - nice DST, but defenses don't score consistently so it is a little more than the week ten zero that is risked

Risk at QB and DST going solo and top two TEs both off week 8 highlight the trouble, but it seems that going solo at two positions would give more strength at RB, WR or TE than what I see. Great season last year and a great competitor year in and year out, so I wish you the best here and in all the other year long survivors. Enjoy competing and your commentary is appreciated.

I am really going to be paying attention to this team.  I love the idea of one DEF...I get the fact that you have to take a goose egg one week, but I believe (we will see) the extra player may outweigh the loss in points (you don't have to be first, just can't be last).  I love the investment in two, point getting kickers.  I actually think that while many of us would be scared to go into the season with one QB, he has three more positional players than I do with two DEF, and three QBs.  Nice work!

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