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***Official Joe Biden Campaign Thread (6 Viewers)
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Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Trump is not going to win New York and might be in trouble in Washington and California?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Trump uses words to illicit actions. He has been doing that for over four years. When he says it’s under control, the action he is trying to illicit is a reduction in the level of panic. It’s similar to trying to tell somebody everything will be ok when things are looking grim.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I didn't blame Trump for Florida's, SoFla's or Miami's cv19 problems. I'm just saying there were numerous, powerful influential people who came out of that meeting infected or exposed. Ivanka herself self-isolated. We haven't heard of any such from Biden's event.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This like a truism, yeah people say things to communicate and get desired responses from people. - If you're trying to say that Trump uses words to generate a certain response from people, I certainly agree. Personally I think that a public official has a duty to inform the public accurately, safely, and without causing general harm. I don't think that happened here until it was forced.
- But my point above was just that Biden was calling it a crisis as early as 2/1, and indeed it was then. That's when action was needed. Over the course of the next 2 months he was aggressive in what he called for while Trump - as you say - was trying to elicit a certain reaction from people indicating no action was needed.
I say that acknowledging Tony's OP, I think it's a good point about actual actions and it's worth discussion, but at least at a minimum Biden's own words reflect someone who did acknowledge the seriousness of what was going on. Obviously not being president he certainly could not take action but he called for it numerous times.
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ren hoek
Footballguy
No end game really- just discussing politics in one of the few places I still can.
Have you watched recent clips of Biden? He can't complete a sentence. It's not "gaffes," it's mental decline. Sometimes he makes Trump look like Carl Sagan. I would disagree on their behavior around women, not that either of them aren't appalling, or that I'm interested in having a debate on which is the least worse w/ women, but the way Biden touches/fondles young children isn't something I could see from Trump.
The point is they are atrocious candidates. Trump & Biden will both continue the drug war, the rigged healthcare system, endless war, mass surveillance, bailouts, corporate welfare. It's an impossible choice if you care about those issues.
Are there people at the margins that would be more harmed by a Trump presidency than a Biden presidency? Probably, yes- but Biden will hurt many millions of people too, and put the left back to sleep. They both represent the continuation of a failed system.
Biden is the worst candidate to run against Trump. In a sense it's the most 2016-like candidate they could possibly run- except this time the Dem inspires no one and is up against the incumbent. Trump at the very least has a marketable brand and rabid support base that will go to war for him. Biden's base, beyond diehard Blue No Matter Who liberals and Never Trump centrists, basically has to be shamed into voting for him. They're going to hit Biden hard on the issues and his mental decline, because the Sanders campaign left it all on the table for the GOP, and it's going to work.
Like I've said before, Biden & Trump are unacceptable to me. Can't speak for anyone else but if that's the ticket I'm going 3rd party/Ind in November.
Please quit editing my posts when you quote them changing the context.
You started the comparison. You tried to make a case that Trump was being irresponsible. You can look at the sheer numbers and dates to see which was worse without even looking at the type of event.
In reality, in the real world - Biden, Bernie and Trump all suspended gatherings and rallies the same day. March 11th. But Trump!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tony I choose to respect you by responding to the substantive parts of your post. Ascribing "spittle" to Biden is neither here nor there for me, it just kills what I think is an otherwise decent point from you I'd like to address. Same with the emojis and stuff like that. Thanks.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think the point of social distancing is a decent one, I grant you that. The claim about putting Detroit's numbers on Biden is ridiculous. Trump holding a private event at his own private club where people were and did in fact get infected is I think distinguishable. - And IIRC while perhaps it was the same day Trump followed the decisions by Biden and Sanders to suspend, he did not lead as usual.
You are wrong. CNN even called the exchange a "spat". It's exactly what happened.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Where do you think the name came from? And the CDC 6-foot rule along with Biden stuttering in his face all but guarantees droplet transmission. Stop editing my posts just because you don't like them.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok we will file that one somewhere between "speculation" and "baseless accusation." - Trump causes way more risk daily on that dais waaayyyy past the due date for claiming ignorance of social separation. - Compare Cuomo's pressers or any other official who is regularly doing these with others yards apart. Heck Kemp just did his presser on doing a lockdown for GA and the interpreter was practically in the azaleas.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
CNN Politics @CNNPolitics 3h3 hours ago
Civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis endorses Joe Biden
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/politics/john-lewis-endorses-joe-biden/index.html?utm_content=2020-04-07T10%3A07%3A05&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social
Civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis endorses Joe Biden
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/politics/john-lewis-endorses-joe-biden/index.html?utm_content=2020-04-07T10%3A07%3A05&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social
Widbil83
Footballguy
I almost forgot about Hunter’s trips to China with Joe on Air Force 2.
@DonJR
The same media that has absolutely no problem with Hunter Biden taking in $1.5 billion directly from the Chinese govt has a problem that @realDonaldTrump may own $99 of a stock (through a mutual fund) that happens to make a drug he’s hopeful could work against the pandemic
https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/1247569146675474433?s=21
@DonJR
The same media that has absolutely no problem with Hunter Biden taking in $1.5 billion directly from the Chinese govt has a problem that @realDonaldTrump may own $99 of a stock (through a mutual fund) that happens to make a drug he’s hopeful could work against the pandemic
https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/1247569146675474433?s=21
timschochet
Footballguy
As I recall, this strategy was also used by Joseph Goebbels in 1945, and by Saddam Hussein’s Press Secretary in 2003.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
As someone who has grown to place an immense emphasis on sourcing information before presenting as fact, I can't help but notice how liberals have found comfort doing the exact opposite. Hear rumor, run with rumor, go silent when rumor quashed.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
There are some news reports unpacking this in the conspiracy thread, it's a total lie. Junior pleaded the 5th before a grand jury, gut duped (kind version) into a meeting with GRU and at least two other people ultimately indicted (Veselnitskaya, Manifort), then lied about it afterwards, and yet you listen to him. No idea why.Widbil83 said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sorry, where is this number coming from?Widbil83 said:
Btw I think I have indicated this is likely a dead end and not worth pursuing, but it's odd of Junior to throw this number out. Is there some sort of basis for it that we know of?
Surely you know how mutual funds work and understand that figure wasn't meant to be an exact dollars and cents the second he said it. It was to add emphasis to the likely magnitude between the two numbers he was comparing. You've been trying waaaaay to hard lately, take a break or something.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Actually I see now he said “may.” So that’s a non-denial denial. Not that it matters, I don’t think that’s really driving Trump, but it’s odd for Junior to even bring up how much it is or might be.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I’m doing good, just working really hard. Had a nice break midday today. Hanging in there. Take care, thanks.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Joe Biden @JoeBiden 5h5 hours ago
I know Bernie well. He’s a good man, a great leader, and one of the most powerful voices for change in our country. And it’s hard to sum up his contributions to our politics in one, single tweet. So I won’t try to.
To Bernie and Jane, as friends, from Jill and me: You haven’t just run a political campaign; you’ve created a movement. And make no mistake about it, we believe it’s a movement that is as powerful today as it was yesterday. That’s a good thing for our nation and our future.
We know how hard this is. You have put the interest of the nation – and the need to defeat Donald Trump – above all else. And for that we’re grateful. But we want you to know: we’ll be reaching out. You’ll be heard by me. As you say: Not me, Us.
And to Bernie’s supporters: I know that I need to earn your votes. And I know that might take time. But I want you to know that I see you, I hear you, and I understand the urgency of this moment. I hope you'll join us. You're more than welcome: You're needed.
Together we will defeat Donald Trump. But we will also address the climate crisis. We will make college affordable. And we will make health care available to all. We will not just rebuild this nation – we’ll transform it. And I’m asking you to join me.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1247920853410615296
I know Bernie well. He’s a good man, a great leader, and one of the most powerful voices for change in our country. And it’s hard to sum up his contributions to our politics in one, single tweet. So I won’t try to.
To Bernie and Jane, as friends, from Jill and me: You haven’t just run a political campaign; you’ve created a movement. And make no mistake about it, we believe it’s a movement that is as powerful today as it was yesterday. That’s a good thing for our nation and our future.
We know how hard this is. You have put the interest of the nation – and the need to defeat Donald Trump – above all else. And for that we’re grateful. But we want you to know: we’ll be reaching out. You’ll be heard by me. As you say: Not me, Us.
And to Bernie’s supporters: I know that I need to earn your votes. And I know that might take time. But I want you to know that I see you, I hear you, and I understand the urgency of this moment. I hope you'll join us. You're more than welcome: You're needed.
Together we will defeat Donald Trump. But we will also address the climate crisis. We will make college affordable. And we will make health care available to all. We will not just rebuild this nation – we’ll transform it. And I’m asking you to join me.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1247920853410615296
msommer
Footballguy
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Joe Biden @JoeBiden 30m30 minutes ago
The coronavirus is not Donald Trump's fault, but the slow and chaotic response to it is. He's the commander in chief — it's time he steps up, takes responsibility, and does his job.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1247990096957190146 (video clip at link)
The coronavirus is not Donald Trump's fault, but the slow and chaotic response to it is. He's the commander in chief — it's time he steps up, takes responsibility, and does his job.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1247990096957190146 (video clip at link)
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
For those still presuming the Bernie supporters are going to fall in line behind Joe Biden in a way they didn't do for Hillary, I suggest you take a look at the replies to Elizabeth Warren's "Thank You" to Bernie Sanders on Twitter. Hint: the responses aren't kind and even though her tweets are presumably seen first by her followers, there don't appear to be many who are coming to her defense.
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1247916514885414912
Here is a sampling...
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1247916514885414912
Here is a sampling...
- Thanks Liz just in time
- oh so now you got something to say
- Seriously just send me the ActBlue link to Warren's supporter
- #### Joe Biden, and #### you
- It's really offensive to refer to Senator Warren as a snake. Snakes have spines
- #### all the way off
- who are you again?
- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
- Sounds pretty endorseable don’t he
- I mean this with every fiber of my being (### you) and I WILL donate every effing dime I can afford to your primary challenger. Until then, I'm gonna ride your ### like a tick that won't let go.
- You’re definitely the kind of person to kill a teammate for the sniper rifle and then miss every shot
squistion
Footballguy
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Because it was a horrible and unscientific misleading post from a small sample size purporting to show what Elizabeth Warren supporters actually think
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
Noted.
I guess you didn't click the link and read the 18.7K mostly negative responses
squistion
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
@Mr Anonymous I think a significantly higher amount of Bernie supporters will vote for Biden than did for Hillary Clinton.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
Doesn't appear that way to me but this is one of those that definitely has too many variables (and time) to have a firm stance right now.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
I think a smaller number of Bernie supporters will vote for Trump this time, but I could see more people staying home (not factoring the virus in to that)
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
My thought is this: a whole lot of people really, really disliked Hillary.
I didn’t recognize that in 2016. A lot of people tried to warn me (you may have been one of them) but I didn’t get it. Mea culpa. Joe Biden doesn’t generate that kind of passion. Even the folks that don’t like him, they don’t hate him. Nobody hates him, or loves him either.
Its why I keep making the point that, while Biden would be a terrible candidate in most elections, in this one he has an advantage in that he makes the election all about Donald Trump. No one is going to vote for Biden; a ton of people are going to vote against Donald Trump.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Just to recap, the Warren campaign:
- pulled the contrived sexism stunt 2 weeks before Iowa, despite the fact Sanders pleaded with her to run for prez in 2016
- lost overwhelmingly in several primaries, hardly registering a blip and ultimately finishing 3rd in her own state, but stayed in race anyway while centrists/establishment consolidated
- went on celebrity tour of SNL, sat quietly on the sidelines while establishment concentrated behind Joe Biden with uncanny synchronicity; completely abdicated any notion of responsibility to the campaign representing the ideas she claimed to believe in at a crucial point when she could have made a difference
- reportedly clutched pearls over Sanders campaigning in Massachusetts; personal vanity more important than principles
- stayed in the race with a dead campaign that voters had rejected, on the strength of a billionaire-funded "PERSIST" superpac by donor that gave money to Joe Arpaio
- found time to complain about 'bernie bros' being mean online; completely ignored sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden
Gee, why don't Sanders supporters like Warren? Why don't they like the person whose only functional purpose was screwing Sanders and helping Joe Biden? It's a huge mystery???
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Go on Squis, give me a sample size to your liking. Seriously. Name a number. I'm sure I will be able to find it on Twitter. Said contingent is larger than you're giving credit for.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
adonis
Footballguy
Lord.
The opponent is Trump, not Warren.
You seem to bounce from thread to thread, trashing almost everything democratic, but it's all destructive.
The real foe is Trump. Period. Full stop.
If Biden is the candidate, he's head and shoulders above Trump and a far better choice.
Fine. You or someone else may have preferred Bernie.
But this whole butt-hurt whining, to me, is making LITERALL making good the enemy of perfect.
Vote third party, it's a vote for Trump. Stay at home, it's a vote for Trump.
ANYONE who votes for Trump over Biden really has to do a reality check as to what their values really were in the first place.
ren hoek
Footballguy
What part of Joe Biden supporting the Iraq War, mass incarceration, drug war, bank bailouts, Patriot Act and pharma/insurance/weapons lobbies makes you think I want him for president. What part of him being an alleged rapist in obvious mental decline am I supposed to like. I don't have an attachment to the Democratic party like you do.
It's no problem for me to watch them lose to Trump again. Because they don't represent my value system, and Trump doesn't either. I'm not happy about it but that's what it is.
If they think this little of left/populist ideas, not even radical stuff just basic humanity 101, then it's best we go our separate ways. Until then I'll be looking to support a real opposition party.
caustic
Footballguy
If the Warren campaign was as lifeless as you say, soundly rejected by the voters and propped up by big money, I can’t imagine an earlier exit or an endorsement helping Bernie very much.
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