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I don't disagree, still pissed off about bailing out banks and not the people.  Give me a couple billion during a recession and I will pay it back with interest too......and make billions.
In hindsight, I think you’re absolutely correct that our politicians should have done far more from a fiscal policy standpoint to provide support to individuals.  Of course that didn’t happen in large part because of the “free market” crowd screaming socialism and warning about runaway inflation.  

 
We’re in another bubble.  Very happy to be wrong on this one.  Hope to be wrong.
I’d love to hear more details, and a prediction as to how deep you anticipate the correction being.  I don’t disagree that some equities are currently overvalued, but I don’t see a massive bubble like we had 10 years ago.  Do you? 

 
I’d love to hear more details, and a prediction as to how deep you anticipate the correction being.  I don’t disagree that some equities are currently overvalued, but I don’t see a massive bubble like we had 10 years ago.  Do you? 
It’s hard to say it will be “as massive as 10 years ago.”  But yes, I see another large correction in equities.  Anywhere from 25-40% correction.  What will the catalyst be? On what date will it happen?  No idea.

I’m certainly not 100% cash, but I’ve been scaling back consistently the past 12-18 months.  Not cashing out of many positions, but everything I’ve auto-enrolled has been short term, with a goal of shifting toward capital preservation.  Still heavier weighted toward equities than I want, but also don’t want to take huge capital gain hits.  It’s a balance (1st world problems).

I’ll gladly share some actual material / reasons for my views later this weekend while digesting turkey.

Tgunz - interested to hear your views on this and all things.  Still remember you being one of the sole voices of reason in the mid-2000s leading up to the housing bubble.

 
Do you have a financial background? Every few weeks it seems you pop in here predicting disaster.  So far you have never been right but who knows you might be right one day.
Is a financial background required to post here?

I’m just a guy that’s worried about the big picture. If I’m wrong so be it. 

 
Is a financial background required to post here?

I’m just a guy that’s worried about the big picture. If I’m wrong so be it. 
No, just wondering why you always come to post when the market goes down but never when it goes up and at times seem happy when it drops.  If you hate Trump so be it but the market impacts much more than that.

 
No, just wondering why you always come to post when the market goes down but never when it goes up and at times seem happy when it drops.  If you hate Trump so be it but the market impacts much more than that.
It’s possible to be worried about the market, generally bearish, aware of warning signs.......and have that be completely unrelated to Trump.  That’s where I’ve been at for many years, pre-dating Trump.

 
It’s possible to be worried about the market, generally bearish, aware of warning signs.......and have that be completely unrelated to Trump.  That’s where I’ve been at for many years, pre-dating Trump.
Very true, and your posting track record is significantly different from what @Da Guru was referencing. It's constant fear mongering and I'm surprised it's allowed. 

 
Very true, and your posting track record is significantly different from what @Da Guru was referencing. It's constant fear mongering and I'm surprised it's allowed. 
Oh, I don't see why not.  We have plenty of that all over the tube, etc.  If anything what's in here is muted compared to the "professionals".  Nobel prize winners, even.  :P

 
No, just wondering why you always come to post when the market goes down but never when it goes up and at times seem happy when it drops.  If you hate Trump so be it but the market impacts much more than that.
Maybe we need a "How to post in a financial thread if you are a financial pessimist" thread so we all know the right way to post on this topic.

 
I can only speak for myself. But I believe as an investor we all would do better to embrace opinions about the market contrarian to our own.  In addition we should always be seeking to find the potential weaknesses to the present market condition.  It is by this approach that one can best develop and follow a plan for long term profit.  Many of you guys don't seem to be following such an approach.

Who is right now as to what tomorrow brings?  To the same token who was right in 2005, Michael Burry or Goldman Sachs?  My opinion is that there are a flock of black swans circling overhead, and just because they haven't dive bombed us yet, doesn't mean they can't or won't...ever.  And it is only when you pull your head out from under the sand an elephants ### that you can take a look up and notice them too.  And if you're not looking up, you'll never see them coming when they do.

 
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No comments today? 

Weird. 

I know I’m not supposed to post on a red day, guys. Sorry. 
I'm not sure there's much to comment on.  Manufacturing index is down again.  For those counting, that's an index contraction from 58.8 to 48.1 in a year.  Trump has stated we "may" need to wait until after the next election for a China trade deal.  Copper is $2.64 per pound and dropping. Major investment advisors are recommending cutting investment in the major indexes by 50% or more.  Those are all things we've discussed a lot and are already priced in to what those of us who think bad things are coming have been thinking for some time.

Usual weekly wages for workers are still up over 3% on the year.  That's good.  Civilian unemployment ticked up negligibly.  That's neutral.   

 
I'm not sure there's much to comment on.  Manufacturing index is down again.  For those counting, that's an index contraction from 58.8 to 48.1 in a year.  Trump has stated we "may" need to wait until after the next election for a China trade deal.  Copper is $2.64 per pound and dropping. Major investment advisors are recommending cutting investment in the major indexes by 50% or more.  Those are all things we've discussed a lot and are already priced in to what those of us who think bad things are coming have been thinking for some time.

Usual weekly wages for workers are still up over 3% on the year.  That's good.  Civilian unemployment ticked up negligibly.  That's neutral.   
Sounds good for gold, Henry. 

Of course if an ounce is worth a million dollars but a million dollars is what a loaf of bread costs then being worth a lot of paper money doesn’t mean much either. 

 
Sounds good for gold, Henry. 

Of course if an ounce is worth a million dollars but a million dollars is what a loaf of bread costs then being worth a lot of paper money doesn’t mean much either. 
I'll be honest, I'm not much of a gold guy.  It's never made more sense to me than government-backed securities.

My crazy mind occasionally just thinks "well, yes, we've all arbitrarily conceded that gold has monumental value for thousands of years, but... it doesn't really."

 
I'll be honest, I'm not much of a gold guy.  It's never made more sense to me than government-backed securities.

My crazy mind occasionally just thinks "well, yes, we've all arbitrarily conceded that gold has monumental value for thousands of years, but... it doesn't really."
Do you have any opinion on bitcoin or crypto? Or where to be if we have a crash?

 
I'm not sure there's much to comment on.  Manufacturing index is down again.  For those counting, that's an index contraction from 58.8 to 48.1 in a year.  Trump has stated we "may" need to wait until after the next election for a China trade deal.  Copper is $2.64 per pound and dropping. Major investment advisors are recommending cutting investment in the major indexes by 50% or more.  Those are all things we've discussed a lot and are already priced in to what those of us who think bad things are coming have been thinking for some time.

Usual weekly wages for workers are still up over 3% on the year.  That's good.  Civilian unemployment ticked up negligibly.  That's neutral.   
"I don't want to comment on that, but the answer is no. But I don't want to comment."

 
"I don't want to comment on that, but the answer is no. But I don't want to comment."
I don't think I provided very much of my opinion in there.  I recited factual matters.  Which are not comments.

I suppose if you think "weekly wages being up 3% is good" is an opinion, or "civilian unemployment up .1% is neutral" is an opinion.  Seems pretty straightforward.

 
Trump's buddies shorted bigly on Friday.
I was actually thinking this weekend about how if any of the Trumps were truly brilliant, this would be an amazing circumstance to be able to test their own quant algorithm.  Knowing what's going to happen, that it's all going to be bluster and cause shifts in the market - and there's no actual insider trading going on, it's just stress testing a quant system.  

 
I'll be honest, I'm not much of a gold guy.  It's never made more sense to me than government-backed securities.

My crazy mind occasionally just thinks "well, yes, we've all arbitrarily conceded that gold has monumental value for thousands of years, but... it doesn't really."
The Spanish threw platinum into the ocean because they wanted silver instead, and they never realized what they had.

 
Sheriff Bart said:
Trump was quoted this morning "I don't follow the stock market, I follow job numbers". 
Oops?

U.S. private sector job growth at six-month low in November: ADP

U.S. private employers added the fewest jobs in six months in November, well shy of economists’ expectations, a report by a payrolls processor showed on Wednesday.

U.S. companies’ payrolls rose by 67,000 last month, the ADP National Employment Report said. The median forecast among economists polled by Reuters called for a gain of 140,000 jobs, with estimates ranging from 120,000 to 188,000.

It was the lowest monthly gain since May when just 46,000 were created, the fewest since 2010, and continues a trend of decelerating job growth that has taken hold this year.

Private payroll gains in the month earlier were revised down to 121,000 from an originally reported 125,000 increase.

The report is jointly developed with Moody’s Analytics.

The ADP figures come ahead of the U.S. Labor Department’s more comprehensive non-farm payrolls report on Friday, which includes both public and private-sector employment.

Economists polled by Reuters are looking for U.S. private payroll employment to have grown by 175,000 jobs in November, up from 131,000 the month before. Total non-farm employment is expected to have risen by 180,000 after climbing by 128,000 in October.
I'm sure everything is just humming along at an unprecedented rate (0,4% - best economy ever) and this has all already been baked into the stock market

 
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-repo-market-is-broken-and-fed-injections-are-not-a-lasting-solution-market-pros-warn-2019-12-04

The big picture answer is that the repo market is broken,” said James Bianco, founder of Bianco Research in Chicago, in an interview with MarketWatch. “They are essentially medicating the market into submission,” he said. “But this is not a long-term solution.”

"This chart shows the more than $320 billion of total repo market support from the Fed since Sept. 17, when for the central bank began pumping in daily liquidity after overnight lending rates jumped to almost 10% from nearly 2%.

 
Someone mentioned on TV this morning that we are in an earnings decline, even saying an earnings recession. Are there stats anywhere showing, say Dow or S&P components, quarter to quarter or year over years earnings as a whole?

 

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