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Sure. One of the reasons most law enforcement is in favor of sanctuary cities is because it allows them to cooperate with undocumented immigrants in order to fight crime. If police are forced to perform the job of ICE it will lead to a situation where these people will not be willing to deal with police at all because of the fear of deportation. In addition these additional burdens on city police forces will severely strain their resources.
Thanks for that Tim it was interesting. I googled to try and find what Florida county sheriffs thought of the law and did not find any results other than in some of the major counties the sheriffs have stated that they have always cooperated with ICE. I kind of figured what you would think about it being that you lean to an open borders guy. I appreciate the response because I like to hear all sides of an issue so I can make sure I am not being close minded.
Do your wallet routinely take advantage of cheap labor provided by illegal immigrants? Do you support mandatory prison sentences for people who repeatedly hire illegal immigrants?
No I am a legal immigration guy. I do however think our do nothing leaders should have immigration reform as one of the things at the top of their list. I guess your referring to Tim about the wallet thing. I do think there should be repercussions for those that continually break the law. I think fines would be sufficient.
"Fines would be sufficient" is insufficient if the fines are rolled up into the cost of doing business, as if it's a tax. If you repeatedly break the law despite fines, prison is the only just solution. But I get it, you're an open borders kind of guy.
Wow I have to say I have been called a lot of things but never that lol. Thats ok just don't call me late for supper.
Oh I don't think your being mean. I am against sanctuary cities always have been. If someone is apprehended for a crime and they are illegal then they should be turned over to ICE. I think we are long over due for immigration reform that would help the problems at the border. I think fines can be enough if they are strict enough including shutting the business down. I don't think that is wishy washy. I just like to hear others opinions.
Referring only to repeat violators, why not prison time? If your government is willing to separate infants and toddlers from mothers and fathers, thus scarring them indelibly, then clearly we need to get serious about the business end of this business.
OK gottcha there should absolutely be serious repercussions for repeated violations. When companies bottom line is effected they tend to react. Not sure I would send guys like @timschochet to prison though I still think fines would work fine for small business owners.
There we go! If @timschochet has been on the receiving end of three escalating fines for employing illegal immigrants, let's send him to San Quentin after the fourth violation. Pretty sure we could GoFundMe him an account for tattoo work.
Don't know how to do the laughing smiley thing but that made me COL chuckle out loud.
Puzzled. I thought "hooah" was a Marine thing. Is it a shared expression with soldiers?
I overlooked the bolded earlier: What if a conviction relies on the testimony another illegal immigrant? Should ICE be given an assist that allows them to deport the person who testifies against a criminal?
Totally legal. I don’t think it is for the Feds to do this but states can.
Tough question but I would lean towards yes. I know that this of course would lead to no illegals coming forward to help in a conviction,but I think in the majority of cases they probably would not need an illegal for a conviction. Just a guess though.
Different strokes and all that. I'm for stacking the deck against criminals, especially violent criminals.
Hey man I have never broken the law with regard to undocumented immigrants. Not once, not ever.
Dude, I was joking. I retract any implication that you broke the law. Just riffin.
Sorry Tim I thought I remembered you saying that you had hired guys out of the home depot lot that were probably illegal to help you with one of the centers you manage. Could have sworn that was you I'm old an easily confused so I may have read it somewhere else.
First off your memory is correct. But I don’t know if they were legal or not; I suspect they weren’t. However the law in California states that so long as I don’t pay them more than $600 I don’t have to keep 1099s or any records. So what I did was perfectly legal.
I don't think Florida does. New Orleans kind of it's own thing. I mean it's been around forever. We have St. Augustine but its no Nawlins
I disagree and I agree.
Was going to post about this myself. When ICE demands a detention or a municipality holds a person for ICE, the time that person is in custody is paid for by our tax dollars. There is nothing in the law requiring reclamation of resources for doing what ICE was supposed to be doing, so our local governments are not only spending our tax dollars to pay for federal programs, but we aren't being refunded the costs for doing so. That's
IMO. I pay federal taxes already that are supposed to go to these sorts of things. I don't want my local tax dollars going to pay for those same activities.Rick Scott wants only the citizen count, which could be part of the 2020 US Census, to be used for determining representation and federal funds to Florida. His line of thinking would cost Florida about 2 seats in Congress and untold millions in Medicaid, SNAP, Medicare Part B, Highways, etc.
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