DeSantis signs bill requiring Florida students, professors to register political views with state (1 Viewer)

[squistion]

Doesn’t this violate the First Amendment? 

https://www.rawstory.com/florida-colleges-and-universities/

Florida students required to register political views with the state to promote ‘intellectual diversity’

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed legislation requiring students, faculty and staff at Florida's public universities and colleges to register their political views with the state as a way to encourage "intellectual diversity."

The state will require taxpayer-funded colleges and universities to issue surveys to determine "the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented" on campus and whether students, faculty and staff "feel free to express [their] beliefs and viewpoints," although it's not clear what will be done with the poll results, reported the Tampa Bay Times.

"It used to be thought that a university campus was a place where you'd be exposed to a lot of different ideas," DeSantis said, justifying the legislation. "Unfortunately, now the norm is, these are more intellectually repressive environments. You have orthodoxies that are promoted, and other viewpoints are shunned or even suppressed."

DeSantis didn't offer any specific examples of that repression but instead claimed he "knows a lot of parents" who are worried their children will be "indoctrinated" with ideas they don't support, and a pair of state legislators complained that Florida colleges and universities had become "socialism factories."

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[Grace Under Pressure]

Surveys themselves are fairly innocuous. Now, what do they plan to do with the results? That could lead to problems, or it could be completely harmless. There's not a lot said about that part (at least from what I can glean).

Do people in Florida like this type of stuff from their government? 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Guys, universities survey their students, faculty, and staff on a regular basis about all kinds of stuff.  They're called "climate surveys" and they're completely ubiquitous.  Framing this sort of thing as "registering your political views with the state" is both monumentally stupid and monumentally dishonest.  You can safely disregard media sources that frame it this way.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I also like how the OP just discovered a story from over a year ago because it just now turned up in his Twitter feed and he couldn't bothered to click on the link before rushing to start a new thread on it.  

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

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[squistion]

The Raw Story (also stylized as RawStory) is an American progressive news website and online tabloid. It was founded in 2004 by John K. Byrne and is owned by Byrne and Michael Rogers.[1] The Raw Story is considered a hyperpartisan media outlet[2][3][4] and has been described as "junk news".[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raw_Story

Is anything quoted or reported in their story factually incorrect?

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Guys, universities survey their students, faculty, and staff on a regular basis about all kinds of stuff.  They're called "climate surveys" and they're completely ubiquitous.  Framing this sort of thing as "registering your political views with the state" is both monumentally stupid and monumentally dishonest.  You can safely disregard media sources that frame it this way.

Agreed with the framing. Extremely misleading. I would like to see the survey questions before commenting more on this. Curious as to who will be writing the survey questions and answer choices. 

As for the climate surveys. Are those typically mandated by state law? Of course universities survey their students, but what seems somewhat different about it in this case is that it's now a state law to do so. Maybe it's not different, genuinely asking. 

 

[dkp993]

Is anything quoted or reported in their story factually incorrect?

So will you be taking this same stance when American Thinker or Brietbart, etc, links come through for something you disagree with?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Is anything quoted or reported in their story factually incorrect?

That should be the starting assumption, same as it would be with Gateway Pundit.

 

[The Commish]

This was a stupid framing of this problem the first time it came up....just as dumb as the second time.  However, there was clearly more to this than this specific action.  I need to find the link...it's in one of these threads on him.

 

[The Commish]

I also like how the OP just discovered a story from over a year ago because it just now turned up in his Twitter feed and he couldn't bothered to click on the link before rushing to start a new thread on it.  

Exactly....

 

[The Commish]

Here's what Jason Garcia found out in his research.  It was posted in one of these threads, but I can't put my fingers on it.  We have a weekly segment on our NPR station dealing just with things in the state and his interview was on talking about how he started looking and what he found etc.

https://jasongarcia.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-plotted-an-all-out-assault?s=r

ETA:  I'm glad this didn't see the light of day last session and quiet honestly completely shocked it didn't.  

 

[Stealthycat]

ridiculous thing to try and do because people will lie on who they affiliate with

 

[squistion]

That should be the starting assumption, same as it would be with Gateway Pundit.

I just didn't provide a link by itself as people usually do here with Breitbart or Gateway Pundit. If you can find something false or incorrect in specifically what I quoted from the article I would like to see it. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

I just didn't provide a link by itself as people usually do here with Breitbart or Gateway Pundit. If you can find something false or incorrect in specifically what I quoted from the article I would like to see it. 

Politifact rated the story false. A year ago.

Don't ever want to see you criticize anybody again about a story being over a year old. 

Hypocrite.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Florida students required to register political views with the state to promote ‘intellectual diversity’

False.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/25/viral-image/new-florida-law-requires-public-universities-surve/

New Florida law doesn't require university students, faculty and staff to register political views

 

[Rubi]

Surveys themselves are fairly innocuous. Now, what do they plan to do with the results? That could lead to problems, or it could be completely harmless. There's not a lot said about that part (at least from what I can glean).

Do people in Florida like this type of stuff from their government? 

Not the people in this household

 

[identikit]

Poor OP

Didn't know what hit him.

 

[The Commish]

Do people in Florida like this type of stuff from their government? 

No...especially when it was part of a larger, more troubling initiative....and FWIW, this kind of behavior started back with Jeb Bush and has continued.  This isn't unique to Ron.  He's just the most recent torch bearer.  

 

[Rich Conway]

I also like how the OP just discovered a story from over a year ago because it just now turned up in his Twitter feed and he couldn't bothered to click on the link before rushing to start a new thread on it.  

I'm too lazy to look from my phone, but I kind of feel like we have an old thread on this exact topic already.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I just didn't provide a link by itself as people usually do here with Breitbart or Gateway Pundit. If you can find something false or incorrect in specifically what I quoted from the article I would like to see it. 

I don't ever do that with Gateway Pundit articles, either. I don't consider it a good use of my time to fact-check articles from junk news sources. I consider it a good use of my time to skip over such articles without reading them, and to encourage others to do the same.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Is anything quoted or reported in their story factually incorrect?

Is anything in your thread title factually correct ?

 

[The Commish]

I'm too lazy to look from my phone, but I kind of feel like we have an old thread on this exact topic already.

It's been covered multiple times

 

[parasaurolophus]

I also like how the OP just discovered a story from over a year ago because it just now turned up in his Twitter feed and he couldn't bothered to click on the link before rushing to start a new thread on it.  

It isn't just him. A British doctor that was a good follow on twitter during the pandemic has become insufferable now. She retweeted this with "I feel sick" as her commentary. 

 

[identikit]

Old, old, biased news

 

[Desert_Power]

I'm too lazy to look from my phone, but I kind of feel like we have an old thread on this exact topic already.

It's a glitch in the matrix. It means they changed something.

 

[djmich]

It isn't just him. A British doctor that was a good follow on twitter during the pandemic has become insufferable now. She retweeted this with "I feel sick" as her commentary. 

A British doctor getting upset about random Florida crap (even holding aside the veracity of the info)

 

[parasaurolophus]

Is anything in your thread title factually correct ?

All of it. 

We give this rating 43 Pinocchios 

 

[dickey moe]

Massive thread fail.

 

[dickey moe]

I just didn't provide a link by itself as people usually do here with Breitbart or Gateway Pundit. If you can find something false or incorrect in specifically what I quoted from the article I would like to see it. 

No, you probably wouldn't.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

As soon as  I saw this I thought someone is going to get suckered into believing it and post it in the Florida Politics thread with the other BS like "Don't Say Gay". I din't think someone would start their own thread with the BS title, but I guess I should have.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Doesn’t this violate the First Amendment? 

https://www.rawstory.com/florida-colleges-and-universities/

Florida students required to register political views with the state to promote ‘intellectual diversity’

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed legislation requiring students, faculty and staff at Florida's public universities and colleges to register their political views with the state as a way to encourage "intellectual diversity."

The state will require taxpayer-funded colleges and universities to issue surveys to determine "the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented" on campus and whether students, faculty and staff "feel free to express [their] beliefs and viewpoints," although it's not clear what will be done with the poll results, reported the Tampa Bay Times.

"It used to be thought that a university campus was a place where you'd be exposed to a lot of different ideas," DeSantis said, justifying the legislation. "Unfortunately, now the norm is, these are more intellectually repressive environments. You have orthodoxies that are promoted, and other viewpoints are shunned or even suppressed."

DeSantis didn't offer any specific examples of that repression but instead claimed he "knows a lot of parents" who are worried their children will be "indoctrinated" with ideas they don't support, and a pair of state legislators complained that Florida colleges and universities had become "socialism factories."

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what do you find problematic about this?

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Surveys themselves are fairly innocuous. Now, what do they plan to do with the results? That could lead to problems, or it could be completely harmless. There's not a lot said about that part (at least from what I can glean).

This is the right answer. To that end -- and to refocus this discussion on actual recent news -- I found this story troubling:

How a small, conservative Michigan college is helping DeSantis reshape education in Florida

BY ANA CEBALLOS AND SOMMER BRUGAL UPDATED JULY 01, 2022 4:41 PM

The spotlight was on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, as it so often has been over the past three years. “Our speaker tonight is one of the most important people living,” Larry P. Arnn said as he introduced DeSantis as the keynote speaker at the Hillsdale National Leadership Seminar on Feb. 23 in Naples. Arnn is the president of Hillsdale College, a politically influential private Christian college in southern Michigan. “This person’s most important work is before him — and we need him.”

The introduction highlights the relationship between DeSantis and the conservative college, which 12 years ago set out to reshape public education through the growth of charter schools and in recent years has expanded its reach in Florida’s education system. The college’s influence has been seen in the state’s rejection of math textbooks over what DeSantis called “indoctrinating concepts,” the state’s push to renew the importance of civics education in public schools, and the rapid growth of Hillsdale’s network of affiliated public charter schools in Florida.

Hillsdale also has had sway over the Republican-led Legislature. In 2019, lawmakers approved a law that allowed the college and three other groups to help the state revise its civics standards. Three years later, those guidelines are part of a DeSantis-led civics initiative that has concerned several educators about an infusion of Christianity and conservative ideologies.

My main takeaway from that piece is that DeSantis is basically taking the same approach to education that Roger Ailes took to TV news 25 years ago when he founded Fox: The existing institution (media, education) has been utterly politicized by the left, so the only option for the right is to relentlessly politicize it in the other direction. They can talk all they want about "balance" or make libertarianish noises about parental rights, but this is ultimately a power play. You guys had your chance to pursue your own ideological goals, now it's our turn.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think I'm going to ask that this article get pinned at the top of the PSF. 

Are you a naive realist?

Naïve Realism is the human tendency to form one’s own worldview regarding various subjects, perceived by an individual as the only truth. Accordingly the individual believes that other people’s reluctance to share his or her views arises from ignorance, irrationality, an inability to draw reasonable conclusions from objective evidence, ideological biases, or self-interest. The psychological bias of naïve realism causes people to see the world in a unilateral and simplistic manner. As a result of this bias, people tend to ignore or reject any information that does not fit their pre- existing worldview, which is perceived by them as the only truth. Consequently, they fail to see things from several points of view and may miss opportunities for change and progress.

 

[ekbeats]

So will you be taking this same stance when American Thinker or Brietbart, etc, links come through for something you disagree with?

This entire thread is dripping with hilarious irony.  

 

[identikit]

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I mean, if you're not ashamed of your political views you shouldn't have any problem registering them with the state.

 

[The Commish]

As soon as  I saw this I thought someone is going to get suckered into believing it and post it in the Florida Politics thread with the other BS like "Don't Say Gay". I din't think someone would start their own thread with the BS title, but I guess I should have.

Feels like this thread has gone exactly as it should have.  Now, of course, if people are really concerned about the scope of what DeSantis is up to the following is worth the read:
https://jasongarcia.substack.com/api/v1/file/dbf4ae45-4be9-47c3-9ca8-fa577157983c.pdf

It's not heavy on sound byte nonsense so it's not for everyone, and is focused primarily on pretty imposing legislative overreach, but it IS a good read to see where the GOP's been going with regard to higher education in this state since the Jeb Bush years

 

[squistion]

I mean, if you're not ashamed of your political views you shouldn't have any problem registering them with the state.

It is the potential consequences of your political views being known that presents the problem, as not everyone makes their political views known to those they work with, particularly if those views happen to be unpopular.  

 

[Boston]

It is the potential consequences of your political views being known that presents the problem, as not everyone makes their political views known to those they work with, particularly if those views happen to be unpopular.  

Good to see you are now concerned with how conservatives are being treated on college campuses.

 

[BladeRunner]

Agreed with the framing. Extremely misleading. I would like to see the survey questions before commenting more on this. Curious as to who will be writing the survey questions and answer choices. 

As for the climate surveys. Are those typically mandated by state law? Of course universities survey their students, but what seems somewhat different about it in this case is that it's now a state law to do so. Maybe it's not different, genuinely asking. 

I really like this Grace Under Pressure guy.   I know you probably don't want an endorsement from a kinda partisan guy like me, but I enjoy your even-tempered, measured, thoughtful and logical posts. 

Keep it up! 

 

[ekbeats]

Good to see you are now concerned with how conservatives are being treated on college campuses.

Tell me about it.  Unbelievable that he doesn’t even realize what a hypocrite he’s been on this subject.  

 

[BladeRunner]

Tell me about it.  Unbelievable that he doesn’t even realize what a hypocrite he’s been on this subject.  

Amen, ebeats.  Amen.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Religion and politics are two things that should be kept private.  That they're will be the downfall of our country.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

I really like this Grace Under Pressure guy.   I know you probably don't want an endorsement from a kinda partisan guy like me, but I enjoy your even-tempered, measured, thoughtful and logical posts. 

Keep it up! 

Good stuff BR. I enjoy your posts as well. It takes a village to make a community. 

 

[squistion]

Good to see you are now concerned with how conservatives are being treated on college campuses.

It is a knife that can cut both ways. 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I mean, if you're not ashamed of your political views you shouldn't have any problem registering them with the state.

It is the potential consequences of your political views being known that presents the problem, as not everyone makes their political views known to those they work with, particularly if those views happen to be unpopular.  

If your political views are unpopular, maybe you simply have the wrong political views. I'd recommend starting with revisiting your political view that opposes the registration of political views.

 

[squistion]

If your political views are unpopular, maybe you simply have the wrong political views. I'd recommend starting with revisiting your political view that opposes the registration of political views.

Oh, to have the signature line back again. 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Oh, to have the signature line back again. 

There you go. Just think of the political view registry as list of forum sigs. You must be feeling better already.

Try to remember you can't say . . . y'know - the g word. So your sig supports g-word rights or g-word marriage, or if you yourself are g-word (NTTAWWT), you'll want to leave it out of The Registry. 

 

[Joe Mammy]

NB - remember when you thought it was just me? 

LOL!

FL men for the win!