supermike80
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tax-returns-gavin-newsom-bill-sign-174746222.html
Here come those tax returns!
Here come those tax returns!
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knowledge dropper
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Trump shouldn’t even bother putting himself on the California ballot.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Shouldn't we all be in favor of the Treasury Department following the judge's order and obeying the congressional subpoena? Or is the president above all that piffle?
supermike80
Footballguy
I guess any state can make up any reason they wish to require new things from Presidential candidates. I wasn't aware states had the power to change the constitution like that. Who knew?
The General
Footballguy
Why should we see them?
He told us they were all good. He said he’d show them if he ran for the nom, he said he’d show them when he won the nom.
It’s not like he has a shady financial history or has a history of lying.
He told us they were all good. He said he’d show them if he ran for the nom, he said he’d show them when he won the nom.
It’s not like he has a shady financial history or has a history of lying.
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The General
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The General
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
You seem to be missing what's important in all this. That the Treasury Department is defying the court order to turn them over.
supermike80
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
It is just primary versus general election. So, if he wins the at the RNC National Convention, it does not matter; he will still appear on the ballot in November even if he does not release them.
A bit nervous about the precedent here though.
A bit nervous about the precedent here though.
timschochet
Footballguy
I didn't vote for Newsom. I don't like him. He always reminded me of Steve Lavin (former UCLA basketball coach.) I don't trust guys who slick their hair back. Newsom strikes me as sleazy and corrupt.
That being said, I've approved of most of his decisions since he's been governor. This is not one of them. I wouldn't mind seeing those taxes but it's not the business of California.
It kind of reminds me of a story from 2004 or so: one of my best friends worked in public health for the City of Santa Monica. She's a diehard leftist, and she always attended city council meetings. So she was there when there was this big debate because Santa Monica planned to indict George W Bush because of the Iraq War- there was a resolution charging him with treason. (It eventually passed.) My friend stood up at one point and said, "You know, I detest George W. Bush, but maybe we could talk about our drinking water problems? I mean what the hell are we doing??" I thought that was funny but I remember she was really pissed off.
That being said, I've approved of most of his decisions since he's been governor. This is not one of them. I wouldn't mind seeing those taxes but it's not the business of California.
It kind of reminds me of a story from 2004 or so: one of my best friends worked in public health for the City of Santa Monica. She's a diehard leftist, and she always attended city council meetings. So she was there when there was this big debate because Santa Monica planned to indict George W Bush because of the Iraq War- there was a resolution charging him with treason. (It eventually passed.) My friend stood up at one point and said, "You know, I detest George W. Bush, but maybe we could talk about our drinking water problems? I mean what the hell are we doing??" I thought that was funny but I remember she was really pissed off.
supermike80
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No I'm really not. Different thread. The treasury department is a federal agency. My post, if you read it, is about California law.
So I'm not missing the point at all. Are you Ok with states deciding what a President must comply with in order to be on the ballot?
Joe Mammy
Footballguy
No surprise here:
"President Donald Trump’s lawyers immediately signaled today they will challenge a California law requiring Trump to disclose his tax returns if he wants to appear on primary ballots in the state."
“The State of California’s attempt to circumvent the Constitution will be answered in court,” Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said in an emailed statement shortly after Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the bill into law.
"President Donald Trump’s lawyers immediately signaled today they will challenge a California law requiring Trump to disclose his tax returns if he wants to appear on primary ballots in the state."
“The State of California’s attempt to circumvent the Constitution will be answered in court,” Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said in an emailed statement shortly after Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the bill into law.
The General
Footballguy
Yes. Trump not showing his taxes (even though he said he of course would) has nothing to do with the constitution.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Yeah, I did kinda veer off.
I'm ambivalent about any state election requirements which impose no undue or unfair hardship. So is there some kind of principle at stake here?
roadkill1292
Footballguy
A $5 million filing fee would be wrong to impose. Requiring all candidates to be able to ride unicycles in order to appear on the ballot would be wrong. Requiring a tax return might be wrong if the candidate was below the income filing line. But worded so that any legally filed tax returns be made public imposes no hardship nor imposes any unfair advantage on candidates for public office.
I'm sure the gang in the lawyer thread, among others, could rip this distinctly non-expert, opinion to shred in no time. Have at it.
I'm sure the gang in the lawyer thread, among others, could rip this distinctly non-expert, opinion to shred in no time. Have at it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Honestly there should be no law requiring tax returns for candidates. Candidates should provide them. If one refuses, and you're dumb enough to vote for that person, caveat emptor.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
California elected a Republican governor in 2003. If some of the prognosticators are correct, that California really is the face of the nation 15 years in advance, then things are looking grim nationally for the GOP in a very short while.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
It is a state imposing requirements on a Presidential candidate beyond what the Constitution requires. I don't think it is a given one way or the other. Rich Hasen had an article on the topic a couple of years ago.
John Blutarsky
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https://www.sfgate.com/expensive-san-francisco/article/move-out-of-bay-area-california-where-to-go-cost-13614119.php
53 percent of Californians want to leave the state, according to new survey
Jackstraw
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BroadwayG
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Can you cite the section of the constitution, dealing with presidential primary elections, that you feel is being changed?
The General
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dkp993
Footballguy
And you do realize the only reason California is doing this is because of the defiance of the Treasury. Had they been turned over as they should have been the State wouldn’t have gotten involved.
timschochet
Footballguy
And I hope they do. Practically the only negative aspect of this paradise is the traffic. Go, my friends!
Herb
Footballguy
That headline is a bit misleading IMO. The article states that residents are considering leaving due to the high cost of living. Not that they actually WANT to leave.
Why do some areas cost so much to live in? Cuz so many people find it a desirable place to live.
Also, not sure what this has to do with the OP, obviously you're just trying to do some CA bashing.
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timschochet
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Mile High
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timschochet
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John Blutarsky
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
Isn't McConnell's reason for blocking election security bills because it interferes with a process that should be left up to the States?
tri-man 47
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Herb
Footballguy
Nope. If that wasn't your intention then my apologies. But that makes your post seem even less relevant.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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dkp993
Footballguy
Sure. You were just providing information. Info that had absolutely nothing at all to do with the thread topic other then the name California. But sure.
.I look forward to all your other stat posts links in all the other threads any time any other state is named. I’m gonna learn a lot about the states!
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
It was a post in response to a post about California. HTHSure. You were just providing information. Info that had absolutely nothing at all to do with the thread topic other then the name California. But sure.
I look forward to all your other stat posts links in all the other threads any time any other state is named. I’m gonna learn a lot about the states!
Snorkelson
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supermike80
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supermike80
Footballguy
Dang it. You're right. I kinda liked outta tho. But phonetically it reads as out ta
OrtonToOlsen
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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OrtonToOlsen
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dkp993
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apalmer
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Show me the Constitutional provision they're changing. Besides, Moscow Mitch says the reason he opposed the bill to stop Russian interference was because election rules are to be set by the states and the federal government shouldn't get involved.
Godsbrother
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