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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (21 Viewers)
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Just to chime in in support of @Otis, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that -- all things considered -- it's better if a communicable disease tends to kill predominately old people and folks with underlying health issues as opposed to young and healthy people. I mean, I'm sure we all agree that "death rate of 15% among the elderly" (or whatever the % is) is bad, but logically "death rate of 15% among everyone" is far worse. That's true both because it implies more deaths, and also because it implies more life-years lost. It's a bigger deal for someone to die at 25 than it is to die at 80.
I say that as somebody who has both of his parents alive and both of his in-laws alive. Obviously I would like for them not to get C19. But in some weird hypothetical where it came down to my mom or my daughter, nobody really disagrees about who's passing would be the bigger tragedy.
I say that as somebody who has both of his parents alive and both of his in-laws alive. Obviously I would like for them not to get C19. But in some weird hypothetical where it came down to my mom or my daughter, nobody really disagrees about who's passing would be the bigger tragedy.
shader
Footballguy
Hopefully you’re so disgusted with me, you put me on ignore. It would improve both of our ffa experiences so have at it
Otis
Footballguy
All this. And to be clear, I never even went this far. My point was not that it’s ok that the old and infirm are dying, my point was that when people keep saying things like “14 dead in the Seattle suburbs,” it’s really so misleading (whether intentionally or not). Like all of those people were in their 80s and in one nursing home. I’m not spitting on those people’s’ graves, but just making a point about the way information is being presented, both in this thread, typically by some of the more hysterical folks, and in the media in general, can be really misleading when stripped of important details.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Finally received the letter from my cruise line that we can cancel up to 48 hours in advance for full refund in the form of a future credit. So this is great but unfortunately we still have the flights to Miami that we will probably have to eat.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Is that the level of fever that indicates possible CV? I've been looking for that info and can't find it. It's not low-grade, right? It's high?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Amtrak cancelling Acela non-stop from NYC to DC.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is a pretty big deal, isn't it? I live in the Midwest, but my limited understanding is that this is a pretty high-traffic line.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
~10,000 a day give or take. But if you want to get Congress's attention that will do it -- they're heavy users.
The regular NE corridor service is more than double that.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Canceling the non stop is not a huge deal. That’s a brand new train I think added within the last year or so. There are still express trains, just not a complete N.Y. to DC nonstop. And I assume they are cutting it because business travel is down and they just can’t fill those extra trains anymore.
ETA link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/03/06/amtrak-acela-non-stop-service-suspended-coronavirus/amp/
And it’s just three trains a day. There are TONS of local and express trains that will continue to run on that line.
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Otis
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
In general though, please don't do the thanosing.
A lot of us here have / had :( parents or relatives or friends that age. Thanks
To add to this, she/he was in their 70s and recently did international travel. They didn't say where though.
Otis
Footballguy
I hear you. I have parents and in-laws that age and certainly wouldn’t want to see anything bad happening to them. The ”thanosing” comment was intended to be tongue in cheek, a description of how one or two posters seemed to be taking my post — of course I’m not wishing for half the world to die. A little reason goes a long way in these discussions.
In any event, I’ll try to be more careful with my wording on that point. Carry on all.
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Insoxicated
GF is on board 100%.
a few countries are straight surging right now... damn.
:(
culdeus
Footballguy
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Can get zinc at same place.
simsarge
Footballguy
Agree. I don't know what goes into the actual diagnosing once tested, but I would assume it's more than peeing on a stick and waiting for the color change. It seems like it would have to go to a lab, right? I would assume then that there might be at least a little bit of a bottle neck there.
shader
Footballguy
Italy, Germany, France, USA. South Korea has stopped the exponential growth and I’d imagine we will see their numbers start to fall.
shader
Footballguy
There are tests that are supposed to diagnose very quickly without a lab. I’m not sure what kind the “4 million” tests that Pence promised are
culdeus
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Well considering this weekend was promised to have 1 million, it appears he double-doubled down on his optimistic plans.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This is me, I was clearly concerned for the previous few weeks. Now my wife is partially insane and I’ve calmed down.
I think my concern a few weeks ago was the small remaining humanitarian in me, like me we can be proactive, control this, and take action, but obviously we weren’t smart enough. Weeks ago colleagues and friends thought I was insane, now I’m calm, stocked, and ready; everyone else feels insane to me that they’re either realizing the severity of the situation now or on the other end downplaying it to nothing. It’s too late and we’re too stupid. Sadly I don’t see an outcome that doesn’t make this widespread in the USA, and if I’m being really honest, I’d put money we’ll clear this up way after most other first world countries. I’ve basically learned to accept that.
-Murica
shader
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
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shader
Footballguy
Sorry, I phrased it poorly. Germany, France, USA, Italy are starting to spiral. South Korea seems to be getting it slowly under control.
culdeus
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
This is going to suck for sports. Watching Liverpool right now. This awesome team has waited decades to win a title and are on top of the league by 22 points. I think they will clinch the league sometime over the next 2-3 weeks.
IMO they will be celebrating in front of empty stands when sporting events move to crowd less spectacles. Stinks for the fans who have waited so long for this.
I realize it’s not life and death, but sports do bring joy to millions.
IMO they will be celebrating in front of empty stands when sporting events move to crowd less spectacles. Stinks for the fans who have waited so long for this.
I realize it’s not life and death, but sports do bring joy to millions.
msommer
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This might sound bad, but really think about it.
I hate China, if Trump has one thing right, it’s going after China, although I think he utterly failed so far after 3 years.
Think about this:
This originated in this disgusting country where people were in some disgusting animal markets eating and trading some disgusting stuff. They start and spread this #### everywhere, played cover up at first, and then they’ll be the first to fix it with their aggressive communist policies. They’ll shut their borders as the problems persist elsewhere, and soon we’ll be right back to a world where even more stuff is made in China.
When this is done, the world needs to turn our backs on them in unison. That’s all I say about that in here, but there are some long-lasting consequences from this beyond the virus and those that will unfortunately die due to it.
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& I’m not a xenophobe. I have plenty of Chinese-American friends and colleagues who I like and respect, this is the country and communist party itself, not those in America.
I hate China, if Trump has one thing right, it’s going after China, although I think he utterly failed so far after 3 years.
Think about this:
This originated in this disgusting country where people were in some disgusting animal markets eating and trading some disgusting stuff. They start and spread this #### everywhere, played cover up at first, and then they’ll be the first to fix it with their aggressive communist policies. They’ll shut their borders as the problems persist elsewhere, and soon we’ll be right back to a world where even more stuff is made in China.
When this is done, the world needs to turn our backs on them in unison. That’s all I say about that in here, but there are some long-lasting consequences from this beyond the virus and those that will unfortunately die due to it.
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& I’m not a xenophobe. I have plenty of Chinese-American friends and colleagues who I like and respect, this is the country and communist party itself, not those in America.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I suppose a high country death rate could be a sign that there are lots more cases that aren’t being discovered. For example, I assume the US has more cases than Germany.
hagmania
Footballguy
Ain't this the truth. My normal is low 97s.
When I was a kid I thought this meant I had the chance to be one of the X-Men.
Capella
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
It’s so hard to calculate a death rate for some of these countries now because the outbreaks for many of these countries are pretty new. I speculate that you can tell how long it’s been in a country by looking at the number recovered. Italy for example are recording 523 recovered patients. Germany has recorded 17.
I’d imagine Germany will have a lower death rate because they are probably testing fast and early and that helps keep it low. But they’ve also not had it in their country long enough to see significant deaths yet.
culdeus
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
They may have had it, but did they have an outbreak? It doesn’t appear so, unless they’ve not been testing. That testing data would be nice to have
shader
Footballguy
Not a bad idea. The economic/social impacts could potentially become much more impactful than the virus, but either way it’s a bit of a different story.
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Insoxicated
US Hospitals have been told by NETEC & AHS to expect:
96 Million Cases
4.8 Million Hospitalizations
1.9 Million ICU admissions
Half a million deaths
In the next two months. :(
And that is assuming a substantially lower CFR and ICU rate than others are seeing...
96 Million Cases
4.8 Million Hospitalizations
1.9 Million ICU admissions
Half a million deaths
In the next two months. :(
And that is assuming a substantially lower CFR and ICU rate than others are seeing...
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
The sense I get is they had a slow testing response, similar to here.
The surge in cases there stems at least in half from the 2/26 Carnival attendees.
