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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (20 Viewers)
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The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Yes they are, but I for one have no interest in being in proximity to a large number of folks, mask or not.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I'm not sure the risk is that much different but you do you
I'm not trying to play mask police. I'd wear a mask to either.
If they have had direct exposure to someone that is displaying symptoms now, then the prudent course is to isolate until test results come in.
One of our good friends found out their younger kid was likely exposed last week - person that was in close proximity got sick and has tested positive. To be prudent, their entire family is going to quarantine for 14 days even though none of them has any symptoms - they let us know as their older son is part of the group of friends that will regularly go mountain biking together - very unlikely there was any exposure given the timing of the exposure and when they last went riding together, but they wanted to let anyone that they may have had any sort of contact with know to be safe.
the moops
Footballguy
OK @shadyridr it seems I was mistaken. I guess I should have said that in general nearly everyone is OK with small outdoor gatherings these days. I know I am, and I was definitely on the "stay in your ####### house" a couple months ago.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Most of what he quoted seemed way more of the "offering their opinion" variety than of the "criticizing" variety.
shadyridr
Footballguy
When it happens back to back to back to back it feels like criticizing or piling on. JMO
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Absolutely. Not trying to tell you what your opinion should be. I'm about as big of a proponent as there is of following guidelines so am likely well on the conservative side. I just didn't feel those were much in the way of in your face, "you are wrong" types of posts.
-OZ-
Footballguy
jamny
Footballguy
Yeah, it wasn't "attacking" More like hoping a fellow FBG would take more precautions to stay safe.
Doug B
Footballguy
Looking at the quotes shadyridr pulled ... that didn't look like they were talking about a "small outdoor gathering". I guess there could be a "No True Scotsman" thing going on ... one person's "small outdoor gathering" could be another person's "wall-to-wall corona-fest."
shadyridr
Footballguy
Was in response to this:
I've been to my Dad's house on both Memorial Day and Father's Day. Nobody wore masks and he invited us.
Been to a friend's child's birthday party last week. No masks. Even the grandparents there weren't wearing masks.
A party this upcoming Saturday for a cousin's child's birthday party. 30+ invited. Doubt anyone will be wearing masks.
And we are throwing a graduation/birthday party for my son next Friday night. About 20 people.
Its DEFINITELY a risk. One we and every single person who attended these parties was and is willing to take.
Social gatherings are allowed
shader
Footballguy
No one should be going to parties around old people and not wearing masks, indoor or outdoor.
Doug B
Footballguy
That was a February 19th Champions League game, Valencia at Atalanta in Milan.themeanmachine said:
With a professional sports event in a large stadium (San Siro in Milan is Italy's largest soccer venue), you have to consider choke points where people crowd -- concourses, entrance/exits, concessions, restrooms. For the players, it's similar with tunnels and locker rooms.
Something else about San Siro stadium -- it's undergoing a renovation to add a partial roof, similar to what Texas Stadium near Dallas had in the past. San Siro's roof had been under construction, so at the time of the game, there were girders, scaffolding, and other structural elements acting collectively as something of a windbreak and likely keeping the air inside of the stadium more static than it would ordinarily be.
Even given the roof-construction considerations ... I would bet more fans caught the virus at the stadium's choke points than they did in their seats.
Doug B
Footballguy
Like I asked rhetorically ... what's a "small gathering"? Those mostly sound like "large gatherings" to me except maybe the stuff at jobarules' Dad's house (I don't know how big his family is).Was in response to this:
I've been to my Dad's house on both Memorial Day and Father's Day. Nobody wore masks and he invited us.
Been to a friend's child's birthday party last week. No masks. Even the grandparents there weren't wearing masks.
A party this upcoming Saturday for a cousin's child's birthday party. 30+ invited. Doubt anyone will be wearing masks.
And we are throwing a graduation/birthday party for my son next Friday night. About 20 people.
Its DEFINITELY a risk. One we and every single person who attended these parties was and is willing to take.
Social gatherings are allowed
Also can't tell whether or not jobarules' events were exclusively outdoors, and in the open air (e.g. no grouping under an awning, covered patio, or an open garage).
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Something else specifically regarding joba's events -- he held them in the NYC area, where the background level of cases has likely been "Europe low" for a while now. Just as a mathematical exercise, it was probably somewhat safer for joba's crew to have those kinds of events than it would be for people in active hotspots.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
I take it on good authority that the gatherings were 10-20 people and all outdoors. One of the gatherings was 30+ people and it was raining so jobarules didn't feel comfortable indoors with that many people and didn't go.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I just saw a game there in the fall. The seats are tight together. Very little room between rows. Concessions aren't that big in European football matches other than beers at halftime and before the match. However, they are strict about looking at tickets and verifying no weapons, so there were certainly choke points getting into the stadium area as well.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
The part where our corporations are asking people to travel to outbreak areas for business.
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Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Agreed. Perhaps "attack" was simply a poor choice of words or hyperbole?
That seems like the most reasonable idea. Similar to beaches being open but masks being required on the concourse. It's not the open air areas that are problematic, it's the congested areas with less airflow.
Its almost like you and Joba know each other.... Like you're twins or have ESPN or something.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Hmmm...if shadyridr, jobarules, and tamales were all at the same party, then maybe that party really was bigger than he had claimed. 
An update to the COVID-19 inpatient census at Jackson Health on July 10. The current trend is not sustainable. More staff is needed for COVID patients, partly due to PPE issues, which is why DeSantis sent 100 nurses and other staff to Jackson a few days ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JacksonHealth/status/1281684376246317056?cxt=HHwWgMCjhcnJuskjAAAA
trader jake
Footballguy
Maybe, but (apparently) not when it comes to limiting the spread of COVID19 in the United States right now. Poor actors can have a disproportionate negative affect on others.
Absolutely. Asymptomatic spread is a major issue.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Fortunately Disney world opens tomorrow so I’m sure that will be great for the situation
Paraphrasing a doctor’s advise to Cuomo when he was sick - think positive. Not a positive attitude but think about how you would behavior around other people if you knew you were positive. Likewise think about how you would interact with someone else if they were positive. That’s how we need to be living our lives now especially if you’re in a hotspot.
If you have good suspicion that you might be positive, you should be reaching out to others you may have exposed so that they can act appropriately - watch for symptoms, restrict activities, etc. But the reality in a hotspot is everyone likely has potential exposure on a daily basis.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Looking like we’ll break the single day record again today. Maybe we’ll have to rethink that herd immunity thing.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Sorry to ruin your gotcha! moment, but this is this original quote that garnered those responses:
(S)he wasn’t referring to a single, small outdoor gathering. And this occurred somewhere in/around NY in June.
Multiple parties. Mostly outdoors. Both friends and family. Never wearing a mask. Congregating, talking, touching the same things for a few hours.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Yeah, I figured that out from subsequent posts. Actually makes me feel better about the whole “issue”.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Gotcha. I have to take the blame on that. My employer left it up to my discretion but I’m in sales and business development and had this trip planned weeks before Phoenix became a hotspot. Other people who were traveling into the meeting all decided to keep the trip planned. I could have chosen not to go but it may have materially impacted the growth of the company that is currently in need of continued sales. So to be fair it’s more on me than anyone else.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
San Antonio now down to 10% of beds available. Also lost a teenager to the virus. Fiesta, which had been moved to November, already cancelled. We aren't even trying to kid ourselves at this point.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
The Z Machine
Footballguy
That's really sad. I know there are lots of companies and situations like this going on all the time. But my point is that we are trying to act as if things are normal, and business can run as normal. We aren't in a normal situation and business practices need to change and adapt.
We didn't lock down hard enough. We didn't restrict movement enough, and we certainly opened up too early and/or too quickly. We weren't willing to put in the hard work and make the hard choices. And because we had the liberty to make choices like the one you describe, we are seeing skyrocketing case numbers and crazy high positivity rates.
shadyridr
Footballguy
What is the point? You are horrible at making points. Not really sure how your post disproves anything I said.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Well since masks only prevent you from getting other people sick he would've caught it regardless.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
The point is you and your alias weren’t attending an isolated, outside gathering with just a few people, so stop giving the impression people were judging you for doing so.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Worldometer has us at 68k. Without more shutdowns it does appear we are headed towards 100k cases in a day.
shadyridr
Footballguy
When did I ever say people were judging me for attending an isolated, outdoor gathering. Mr Roboto said he attended an outdoor gathering of 15 people. I attended outdoor gatherings of 10-20 people. YEAH TOTALLY DIFFERENT
