GoBirds
Footballguy
Very concerned, just don’t see what you can do about something like this where the majority of the carriers have mild symptoms and will continue to unknowingly spread it.
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Government Response To The Coronavirus (9 Viewers)
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yak651
Footballguy
Force them to get tested? They can't get tested if they wanted to! I like your approach though, just ignore it and it should go away.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I'm just spitballing here, but maybe you (the royal "you") could raise awareness, offer guidance to people on how to minimize interaction and chances for spreading the infection. Perhaps you could also be straight with people, let them know it's not "just the flu", allow people to be tested, and encourage precautions. There are available courses of action beyond doing nothing. There are certainly available courses of action that aren't actively downplaying the seriousness and encouraging people to ignore it.
GoBirds
Footballguy
I get that’s the talking point, wouldn’t come close to solving the issue. Sorry.
Not trying to convince anyone otherwise just stating the obvious, have a good one.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
We could have drugstores offering free testing to everyone, set up drive through testing like other countries have, etc.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Right, we’ve had a lackadaisical response to this. We don’t have a plan other than “ride it out” at this point and hope it goes away when it gets warm. In Michigan a couple days ago we had only tested 50 people. This has been around for weeks.
Who should I be mad at? Obama? I’ve listened to Trump downplay this in every public statement he’s had the last month. I’ll point at him, you can feel free to point me to someone else and I’ll read the info with an open mind.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It would help if people knew if they had it so they could quarantine themselves for a bit or at least stay away from elderly relatives, schools, etc
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
The federal government has literally done nothing and might be the only government in the entire world that is actually working AGAINST efforts due to the head of the government promoting the idea that it is no big deal.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Yes, it's so much better when medical staff has to make decisions that they not know if a patient is infected.
Such bold thinking!
Such bold thinking!
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GoBirds
Footballguy
If I were you I would keep blaming everything on Trump, why stop after 3 years of consistency.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Agree, unfortunately I don’t see how people with mild symptoms and everyday responsibilities are going to all get tested even if they were falling from the sky. If you really believe that I don’t know what to tell you.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I didn’t say literally nothing. I’ll get out of the way if your intended argument.
My statement was our response has been lackadaisical.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think if it was freely and easily available a large amount of people in States where there are cases would get tested. Even without any symptoms, if I knew it was in the area, I would get a test if I could do it conveniently.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I responded to literally nothing with 8.3 billion dollars and then you jumped in. So seemed like you were addressing that. I can't keep track of what you all complain about sometimes.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
FYI I edited that, I didn’t think the of cult reference and felt it was inappropriate.
Keep fear mongering, have a good one.
I can see what’s happening around the world and the impact it’s having.
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Found dec 31.
How is this an appropriate response time, and point me to who I should blame.
Skoo
Footballguy
They're doing it in other countries.
Is there some reason they can do it but we can't?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Anything negative about Trump or the government response is labeled fear mongering. Facts and science be damned.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
You stressed how mild the coronavirus is, like a mild cold. I said to check out the conditions in Italy and you pivoted to testing. This is NOT a mild cold for many people no matter what you want to believe. Italy's hospitals are overflowing and they're choosing which patients get treatment and which ones don't because they're so overcrowded.
And again, just a few weeks ago they were us.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
After they cut the CDC budget (2018) and dismantled emergency response teams, right?
timschochet
Footballguy
Great to hear from you Rich, hope things are well.
I watched Mike Pence host a press conference yesterday and they did everything you’re saying here.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t think this is accurate. Trump has said a lot of stupid stuff but he’s not DOING stupid stuff. At least I’m not aware of it.
Skoo
Footballguy
toshiba
Footballguy
I get your point, but right now saying stupid stuff is actually doing something stupid.
Let’s be clear!
Skoo
Footballguy
He's the President. What he says carries a LOT of weight.
He's downplayed this whole thing every chance he has gotten. And you can see the effects right here. Millions of people claiming it's no big deal and the flu is so much worse. Those people are much less likely to get tested and/or quarantine. Which will lead to more people getting it.
All he had to do from the start was take it seriously, tell everyone to listen to the experts, and get out of the way. That's it.
But he had to make it all about himself, as usual.
timschochet
Footballguy
He didn’t make that comparison, but he and the experts discussed what needed to be done, and in a calm manner.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I absolutely agree with you but it makes sense to get the tests to as many hospitals, urgent care clinics and doctor's offices as possible. Every infected person that you can catch and self-quarantine away for a couple of weeks would be help limit the exposure to the rest of the country and every data point would be helpful in learning more about the virus and identifying hot spots.
I admit I am not this administration's biggest fan but I don't think it is asking too much to get as many tests in as many hands as fast as possible.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t disagree with any of this. But I still think some of the criticism is unfair, because despite the dumb talk his actions have been fine IMO
whoknew
Footballguy
"Except for that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
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What specific actions has the fed gov't taken? What about the lack of testing?
toshiba
Footballguy
Like not getting tested when he came in contact with someone who has the coronavirus? Not leading by example is a problem!
timschochet
Footballguy
Honestly unless he shows symptoms I think it’s the right decision. If he were to have the virus it would increase the panic by a lot.
timschochet
Footballguy
The lack of test is a bad mistake by the government which they seem to have come close to resolving. It was certainly not deliberate and I can’t imagine Trump had anything to do with it.
GoBirds
Footballguy
The statistics show the majority are mild which is why the spread will be uncontainable which sucks but the good news is the majority will have mild symptoms. Sorry guys I have to work today, no bunker for me until this weekend. Unless companies and schools send everyone home not sure what we do.
whoknew
Footballguy
I do not understand this at all. Its completely irresponsible. If he has it he could be spreading it to other people he comes in contact with. He could be spreading it around the highest levels of government. If he has coronavirus, he needs to self-quarantine.
whoknew
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
There’s no debate that we as a nation are handling this much worse than other countries. We’ll see how big a price we pay.
Hard to have faith in Trump making the right moves with the things he says to us.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Imagine the outrage if Trump tried to pull what Italy or China pulls and quarantine everyone. Yeah, I'm sure we'd all go for that right?
timschochet
Footballguy
Wouldn’t surprise me, but if that was the case Is suspect it would have been reported on.
From what I’ve heard and read, Trump made the right and excellent decision by shutting down the flights from China early on. That gave the government breathing space, time to get prepared. But instead of doing so they froze in indecision, did very little, and allowed the extra time to waste away. Is that Trump’s fault because he sought to downplay the possible effects of the virus, or because he cut people and money the year before? Possibly. I don’t know.
timschochet
Footballguy
We’re handling it differently because we’re a freer society and we don’t like to restrict individuals. That’s part of it. The other part is mistakes, disorganization, and stupid statements by the President.
As I said earlier - I don't think we will ever know the answer to that.
The system broke somewhere.
Data, information, and science-based recommendations should have been flowing up the Org chart at CDC, and then decisions should have been flowing back down.
The only thing we can say with certainty - bad (or no) decisions were made. What we don't know is whether decision-makers were given bad data, or if the data was filtered too much as it went up the chain, or, if this was simply bad decision making at the top.
It would not shock me if Trump was given all the data, and said, he preferred to keep things under wraps to not create a panic. It also would not surprise me if data was filtered/downplayed as it made its way from CDC scientist to CDC Director, to Azar to Trump - such that Trump was never given an accurate picture. (Even in that scenario, I would put some blame on the environment created by Trump to only present information that makes him look good).
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