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Biden Administration Considering Sending Gas Rebate Cards To Millions Of Americans (6/18/22 19:28 PST) (1 Viewer)

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Direct Headline: Biden administration is considering sending rebate cards to millions of Americans to help pay for gas as White House tries to soften skyrocketing prices

Senior Biden administration officials are floating a plan to send Americans 'rebate' cards....The plan, which had previously been under consideration, comes as the administration is anxious to show movement on an issue Biden has called his top priority. ...Biden wrote oil companies demanding they refine more oil, Press Secretary Karine-Jean Pierre said it was their 'patriotic duty' to do so....after prices have hit $5 per gallon, with a $2 increase from a year ago.... In a hangup that encapsulates the challenges of 2022 amid the ongoing pandemic, aides have discovered that 'shortages in the U.S. chip industry would make it hard to produce enough rebate cards....Officials have also raised concerns there may be no way to prevent people from blowing the gift cards on other purchases. Even gas stations routinely sell chips, sodas, lottery tickets, and all manner of goods....If would likely require congressional approval, meaning Senate Republicans could try to filibuster an idea that might provide Biden a boost in the run-up to congressional elections..... 

White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said...'We want to address the price of gas and oil so that people can fill up their cars and heat their homes – and cool their homes down in the summer,'....referenced Biden's move to tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve....She also spoke favorably of asking more states to waive gas taxes amid the crunch.....

By Geoff Earle 16:23 EDT, 17 June 2022

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10927825/Biden-administration-considering-sending-rebate-cards-millions-Americans-gas.html

TWEET: Jason Howerton XX@XXjason_howerton

This clip is ASTONISHING. Energy Sec. XX@XXJenGranholm demands energy companies to make massive investments to increase oil supply while simultaneously saying they want to shut them down over the next 5-10 years. WHAT IS THIS WHITE HOUSE?!

4:23 PM  Jun 15, 2022

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1537214216989552641

Direct Headline: Stimulus Check Update: Is White House Looking to Send More Money?

...Another issue with stimulus checks is that they have been cited as one of the contributing factors to the current soaring inflation. Financial experts have blamed an influx of stimulus cash for causing an imbalance in supply and demand, because the amount of goods available do not currently meet the desires of Americans looking to spend more....In an attempt to better balance the supply and demand ratio, the Federal Reserve on Wednesday announced its largest interest rate hike in 28 years. This move was done to make consumers spend less because of the higher rates. Americans having more stimulus money to spend could potentially work against this logic....

....In March, Axios reported the White House discussed gas cards but shelved the idea. The outlet cited an unnamed aide as saying even some House Democrats had expressed opposition to the concept. Other factors for not pursuing the plan at that time included not wanting to over-extend the IRS, who would be responsible for the distribution, and concern it would worsen inflation....A poll released last week from The Washington Post and George Mason University's Schar School found that around 44 percent of U.S. drivers said they have only partially filled their vehicle gas tank because of high gas prices....Meanwhile, an ABC News/Ipsos poll released earlier this month found that 74 percent of U.S. adults said gas prices will be an "extremely" or "very" important factor in how they will vote during the fall's congressional midterm elections.....

By Jon Jackson 6/17/22 3:20 PM EDT

https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-check-update-will-white-house-send-more-money-1716973

Direct Headline: White House exploration of gas rebate cards complicated by chip shortages

Those efforts, though, come amid early signs of a broader slowdown in the economy, which could ease inflationary pressures but also lead to higher joblessness and slower growth.... On Friday, oil prices suddenly dropped to a four-week low — a decline likely to push down gas prices — the latest indicator of a potential recession after the Federal Reserve raised interest rates this week to try to contain inflation....The week’s staggering decline in the stock market — coupled with weaker-than-expected jobless claims and retail sales data — also reflects the risks in the central bank’s move to crush inflation by tightening monetary conditions. Wall Street recorded its worst week since March 2020, the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, as investors struggle to adjust to the Fed’s dramatic move.....

....Biden aides have also looked in recent days at invoking the Defense Production Act to move diesel and other refined products should localized shortages materialize, two people familiar with the matter said. Diesel prices have risen markedly, posing a major threat to the nation’s trucking and shipping industries...But energy markets hinted at the potential downsides of an economy that cools too quickly, with crude oil prices falling on Friday. “The good news is that crude oil prices, which drive gas prices, had a big down day,” said Bob McNally, a former energy official in the Bush administration. “But the reason for it is a bad reason — that people are fearing a recession....”

....Gas prices have been one of the most visible signs of inflation....Critics also say the idea could backfire by further pushing up prices by adding to consumer demand....Other proposals floated by policy experts include suspending the Jones Act, which would reduce shipping costs and make it cheaper to get gasoline from the Gulf Coast to the Eastern Seaboard, imposing price controls and banning exports of U.S. energy. But all these ideas have their own political and practical downsides, with the Jones Act supported by influential union groups and economists warning that any supply restrictions could exacerbate the problem. One person said the White House has also looked at limits on fuel exports, an idea first reported on Thursday by Bloomberg News, although that proposal does not appear to have gained much traction....

....“Not only is there not an extant solution, but nobody thinks there’s going to be a compelling solution,” an outside economic adviser to the White House said. “They’re fighting about narrative rather than fighting about substance, because realistically, what are they going to do?”

By Jeff Stein and Tyler Pager June 17, 2022 at 10:42 a.m. EDT

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/06/17/biden-gas-white-house/

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Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other. - Ronald Reagan

Biden's Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers Cecilia Rouse says - "All options are on the table"

Let's talk about what is really on the "table" here

1) If you want to even begin to start controlling inflation, then you have to stop printing money like you are going to wall paper the Moon with it.

2) There is an unsettling but undeniable new normal where Team Blue has just declared open war on the middle class. Wealthy "elites" and retired geriatrics like myself with "Old Man FU money" still make out OK because our asset base tends to hold/retain their value even in clearly government inflicted tough economic times. Many of the very poor and at the poverty level, not all but far too many, don't pay taxes, don't work, and get free gifts and prizes from the government. There's limited to no impact here for them as long as Team Blue stays in power.  But the middle class gets a triple shot of BOHICA as they are getting financially massacred from all sides.

Look at the pathway that appears more and more dystopian over time:

- Big Government Controlled Heath Care that gets to decide who lives and who dies based on relentless purity tests

- Intentionally increasing the poverty rate and forcing total dependence on the Big Government. So that freedom is in name only.

- Removing the rank and file citizen's ability to arm themselves so there will be no resistance to this New World Order.

- Using Big Education to indoctrinate and control the language and what amounts to "right think" so new loyal waves of future woke shock troopers can be sent into the grinder like compliant cannon fodder.

- Barrage the masses with "state approved media" that ideologically separates you, the cattle, from the corporate donor overlords.

- Divide people by Culture Wars and Identity Politics, distracting the starving and desperate people from realizing they are being lined up against a wall.

3) The Team Blue Public Policy Blueprint -  Create an out of control self inflicted disaster where there was none before, then force feed a "solution" of bigger government that takes more and more control away from the everyday working class people. Only career politicians, who have never worked a real job in their entire lives, like Biden, Pelosi, Newsom, Whitmer and the like could find a more brutal expensive way to literally give away money that will cost the people ten times more later as the can gets kicked down the road.  Only an idiot like Granholm would demand Big Oil to kick up production while she simultaneously demands they be forced from the industry.  Only an idiot like Granholm would ignore the national security threat posed by the continual tapping of the Strategic Oil Reserve. Only an idiot like Granholm would ignore that risk of fraud in more "stimulus", just like the last rounds of stimulus became criminal free-for-alls.

4) If this comes to fruition, this will happen sometime in October, before the Mid Terms, that looks more and more like a Red Tornado, to essentially "buy votes" even if it ends up devastating the practical financial future of generations of Americans to come, including the children of all of you here. Team Blue hopes there are enough low information voters out there who will magically believe this is "free from the government with no other consequences" and be totally OK being bribed with the blood and sweat of the middle class without realizing their effective purchasing power will take a complete free fall.  Part of the pathway here is to potentially push this in Congress, knowing that the Republicans will oppose it, so Team Blue can spin the narrative to say the GOP stopped you from getting your free gas money to try to shave off Mid Term votes.

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In media optics, while I intentionally chose not to work in professional politics, I understood there was always a "nuclear option" for a losing Party that wanted to end democracy. But the pathway was unthinkable as it was nothing more than an outright attack on the people at large. Now I have to speak the quiet part out loud.

One prevailing theory was if you know you were going to lose the next general election, then destroy the society and culture in front of you. Inflict so much total damage that you can scapegoat one single patsy ( in this case Biden) and create so much bloodshed and devastation that when the other Party takes power, the cascade of damage will spill over. Then you can run non stop media barrages blaming the alternate Party for all the destruction to eventually retake power in the next cycle. The idea was to stop the alternating 8 year runs of POTUS and trade off 4 years to spin rip and run media optics to give you 8 years after that and use those 8 years to try to hammer fist all the laws and policies you can so you never have to give up power ever again.

I didn't think I'd see this strategy deployed in my lifetime. Because this is going to cost many Americans their lives. But no one is this stupid. Even this inept Administration.  Even Susan Rice isn't this level of incompetent. And that's saying a lot.

As this is a topic that delves into a lot financial issues and the economy, I invite @Shula-holic , who has always been fair and balanced and reasonable in his economic discussion, to come aboard and share his thoughts here. He's an asset wherever he posts and he will class up this thread.

What do you think about these potential gas card rebates?

What do you think about the deeper complexities behind the policies being pushed forward by the Biden Administration here on out of control gas prices?

What is your solution to this disaster?

I'll leave this here for others to discuss.

 
Why not just send everyone an electric car?  He cares not about inflation or spending so might as well accelerate our transition from fossil fuels.

 
I don't really even know what to say to this one.  I said it in another thread awhile back, it's as if every instinct this administration has to combat inflation is exactly the wrong one and opposite of what they should be doing.  In this case, they are essentially printing more money, the way they are doing it will help to increase demand for gasoline as well. 

The end result is at some incremental factor they'll be adding to both inflation and the cost of gasoline.  It's hard not to think that this hairbrained idea isn't a way to try and placate voters given their poll numbers.  It seems almost like an act of desperation because I don't think voters are going to change their opinions based on this and it's at the least going to hurt inflation and gas prices, if even only at the margins.

The final kick to the ribs is that we still are doing nothing to encourage domestic production beyond slinging nasty rhetoric.  They know that's not going to work, but it's trying to blame businesses for not being willing to invest in what would be long term capital projects when they've directly stated they want them out of business.  No businessperson is going to invest in long term capital projects under that environment.  

This whole thing would be comical if it weren't such a sad reality.  I just simply can't believe their economists truly believe these things.  Whether they are "yes men" due to political leanings or speak up and just get overruled constantly, I don't know.  It's an absolute truth that prices of gasoline would be higher regardless of what the administration did, but they should be taking actions to mitigate.  Instead it seems they can't do anything but harm.

 
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What happens if every registered driver got a government issued $250 gas card? (Random amount here). The price of gas goes up as people have money again to afford gas.

 
I don't really even know what to say to this one.  I said it in another thread awhile back, it's as if every instinct this administration has to combat inflation is exactly the wrong one and opposite of what they should be doing.  In this case, they are essentially printing more money, the way they are doing it will help to increase demand for gasoline as well. 

The end result is at some incremental factor they'll be adding to both inflation and the cost of gasoline.  It's hard not to think that this hairbrained idea isn't a way to try and placate voters given their poll numbers.  It seems almost like an act of desperation because I don't think voters are going to change their opinions based on this and it's at the least going to hurt inflation and gas prices, if even only at the margins.

The final kick to the ribs is that we still are doing nothing to encourage domestic production beyond slinging nasty rhetoric.  They know that's not going to work, but it's trying to blame businesses for not being willing to invest in what would be long term capital projects when they've directly stated they want them out of business.  No businessperson is going to invest in long term capital projects under that environment.  

This whole thing would be comical if it weren't such a sad reality.  I just simply can't believe their economists truly believe these things.  Whether they are "yes men" due to political leanings or speak up and just get overruled constantly, I don't know.  It's an absolute truth that prices of gasoline would be higher regardless of what the administration did, but they should be taking actions to mitigate.  Instead it seems they can't do anything but harm.


You want to effect the price of gas you either need to do something about the supply or something about the demand.  The demand will take care of itself if prices continue to rise.  So the administration should focus on the supply.  Instead, this idea focuses on neither and exacerbates both.

 
I would expect something like this from the idiots in DC. How do you fix inflation? Create more demand? It’s the same thing with racism. These morons think you fix racism with more racist policy. Nobody is this stupid. America last policies are working.

 
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You want to effect the price of gas you either need to do something about the supply or something about the demand.  The demand will take care of itself if prices continue to rise.  So the administration should focus on the supply.  Instead, this idea focuses on neither and exacerbates both.
And the same companies are getting richer.   Speaking of corporate profits how do the tech companies compare?

 
What happens if every registered driver got a government issued $250 gas card? (Random amount here). The price of gas goes up as people have money again to afford gas.


Direct Headline: Biden Has ‘Only Bad Options’ for Bringing Down Oil Prices

When President Biden meets Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia, he will be following in the footsteps of presidents like Jimmy Carter, who flew to Tehran in 1977 to exchange toasts with the shah of Iran on New Year’s Eve. Like the prince, the shah was an unelected monarch with a tarnished human rights record. But Mr. Carter was obliged to celebrate with him for a cause that was of great concern to people back home: cheaper gasoline and secure oil supplies....During the 2020 campaign, Mr. Biden pledged to turn Saudi Arabia into a “pariah” for the assassination of a prominent dissident, Jamal Khashoggi. But officials said last week that he planned to visit the kingdom this summer....

.....Always looking ahead to the next election when their jobs or their party’s hold on power is at stake, presidents can find it impossible not to try to cajole or plead with foreign and domestic oil producers to drill and pump more oil, faster....Two other oil-producing countries that could increase production — Iran and Venezuela — are U.S. adversaries that Western sanctions have largely cut out of the global market. Striking any deal with their leaders without securing major concessions on issues like nuclear enrichment and democratic reforms would be politically perilous for Mr. Biden...Venezuela, once a major exporter to the United States, has the world’s largest petroleum reserves. But its oil industry has been so crippled that it could take months or even years for the country to substantially increase exports......have been jawboning U.S. oil executives to pump more oil with little success. Most oil companies are reluctant to expand production because they fear that drilling more now will lead to a glut that will send prices tumbling. They remember when oil prices fell below zero at the start of the pandemic. Big companies like Exxon Mobil, Chevron, BP and Shell have largely stuck to the investment budgets they set last year before Russia invaded Ukraine....Energy traders have become so convinced that the supply will remain limited that the prices of the U.S. and global oil benchmarks climbed after news broke that Mr. Biden was planning to travel to Saudi Arabia....

.....Of course, any deals with either Venezuela or Iran could themselves become political liabilities for Mr. Biden because most Republicans and even some Democrats oppose compromises with the leaders of those countries......“No president wants to remove the Revolutionary Guards of Iran from the terrorist list....Presidents are wary of any moves that look like they are making political sacrifices and handing a win to America’s adversaries....”

By Clifford Krauss June 5, 2022

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/05/business/biden-oil-saudi-arabia.html

VIDEO: Big Oil exec rips Biden’s ‘failure’ creating a ‘significant emergency’ Jun 18, 2022

U.S. Oil and Gas Association President Tim Stewart calls out Biden’s ‘colossal failure of leadership’ in resolving record-high gas prices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsD4gNAT2f4

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“I don't know what word in the English language I can't find one applies to people who are willing to sacrifice the literal existence of organized human life so they can put a few more dollars into highly stuffed pockets The word ‘evil doesn't even begin to approach it”  - Noam Chomsky

Biden during the campaign for the 2020 general cycle :  I'm going to wipe out your industry.  You are going to watch your entire way of life get incinerated. Never mind that I don't have a functional replacement online yet. You don't get to drill, you don't get new leases on federal land and open your arms for being sandblasted by regulation. Never mind that all this also impacts natural gas production as well.

Biden while halfway through 2022 and watching an impending Mid Terms massacre: You have to start producing more. Even though there exists no incentive to build/expand/maintain refineries to support that. In fact, that makes no economic sense at all for you, but I need my damn votes so I can win and continue to cripple your industry and crush it into the ground. I'm not going to discuss the fact that American can be energy independent but I've imposed so many artificial restrictions that I can't admit I was wrong, so working class Americans need to suffer for my pride. But why is that a surprise? I enabled criminals to hunt you down on the streets and the rioting and looting in Big Blue Cities that destroyed countless lives and small businesses because I needed the black vote and the radical vote. Screw you, what about me?

An analyst for the current Administration said it best - “They’re fighting about narrative rather than fighting about substance"

@FairWarning , my friend, Biden and Team Blue just want to keep kicking this can down the road.

Essentially working class Americans are being held hostage over this. They can take the gas rebate cards to survive for today as many are just scraping by, because of this Team Blue idiocy, but to do so sentences their grandchildren to financial death.

 
It’s not a good situation all around GG.  It’s not good that we make our enemies powerful while shutting out our allies.

 
Makes sense if your goal is to try and buy votes and that’s all they have left at this point. I fully expect them to run the printing press full bore right before midterms. Just like the stimulus checks, this will end up costing those needing it more than the actual gas rebate is actually worth. 

 
Pretty sure that is revenue for Apple, Microsoft and Facebook. And profit for Exxon.
Read the other day…Exxon’s profits first quarter this year were up $6billion (not profits $6billion…but an increase over 1st quarter 2021).  Now they also lower that with some sort of Ukraine/Russia offset…which still kept the increase at close to 3 billion.

 
TWEET: Jason Howerton XX@XXjason_howerton

This clip is ASTONISHING. Energy Sec. XX@XXJenGranholm demands energy companies to make massive investments to increase oil supply while simultaneously saying they want to shut them down over the next 5-10 years. WHAT IS THIS WHITE HOUSE?!

4:23 PM  Jun 15, 2022

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1537214216989552641
This little bit of brilliance shouldn’t get lost in the gas card giveaway news.

 
Pretty sure that is revenue for Apple, Microsoft and Facebook. And profit for Exxon.


Sorry, yes, you're correct.  Here are the income numbers.

For Apple had 95B in net income in 2021. 57B in 2020.

Microsoft had 72B in net income in 2021.  61B in 2020.

Facebook had 39B in net income in 2021.  29B in 2020.

Exxon Mobile had 23B in net income in 2021.  They LOST 22B in 2020.

 
Isn't demand for gasoline back to 2019 levels? If so, higher prices at the pump hasn't deterred most people. Will this hold up and, if not, at what price would demand begin to drop as a result of higher prices?

What realistic options are available to increase supply (assuming demand)? How quickly would getting Saudi Arabia to produce more oil impact prices? 

Why would the administration push for more supply if demand will eventually be weakened by higher prices?

What happens after Labor Day? Will prices fall as summer ends? If so, what kind of relief will people see and how long would any kind of "gas card" actually take?

 
Read the other day…Exxon’s profits first quarter this year were up $6billion (not profits $6billion…but an increase over 1st quarter 2021).  Now they also lower that with some sort of Ukraine/Russia offset…which still kept the increase at close to 3 billion.
Omg

 
Biden during the campaign for the 2020 general cycle :  I'm going to wipe out your industry.  You are going to watch your entire way of life get incinerated. Never mind that I don't have a functional replacement online yet. You don't get to drill, you don't get new leases on federal land and open your arms for being sandblasted by regulation. Never mind that all this also impacts natural gas production as well.
I am to understand that this is (charitably) paraphrasing?

 
Makes sense if your goal is to try and buy votes and that’s all they have left at this point. I fully expect them to run the printing press full bore right before midterms. Just like the stimulus checks, this will end up costing those needing it more than the actual gas rebate is actually worth. 
Isn't that what all politicians try to do? 

The Dems are just blatant about it.  Student loans come to mind....they don't even care anymore...by any means necessary!  Doesnt matter if it's fiscally unsound.....keep printing Biden bucks baby!

 
anti-oil policies resulting in higher prices and then give gas cards to help off-set the rise that they helped initiate ?  I mean that's like putting rules/regulations etc on oil companies and saying we need LESS fossil fuels and then asking for big oil help in producing MORE.... I mean crazy stuff but Joe is doing it :(

unbelievable ......... its really is

 
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Isn't that what all politicians try to do? 

The Dems are just blatant about it.  Student loans come to mind....they don't even care anymore...by any means necessary!  Doesnt matter if it's fiscally unsound.....keep printing Biden bucks baby!


Absolutely, 100% correct. 

The only thing I will say is that neither party gives a damn about being fiscally sound.   That shipped sailed a LONNNG time ago.

 
Biden is an absolute idiot if he does this.

I would much prefer the gas tax holiday, even though I agree with Obama, it's nothing more than a gimmick.  

 
I think a lot of people decided this would be the case the day Biden took over.  
Certainly, but he’s taken it to an all new level that no one foresaw, or at least took    seriously that it would be this bad this soon into his administration. We’re almost at a level of irreversibility. 

 
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You want to effect the price of gas you either need to do something about the supply or something about the demand.  The demand will take care of itself if prices continue to rise.  So the administration should focus on the supply.  Instead, this idea focuses on neither and exacerbates both.
He got crucified by right wing media for releasing the oil reserves in an attempt to get more supply into the system.

 
Nice try. But if it were limited to that subgroup there wouldn't be a pitifully low Biden approval rating and impending red wave in the midterms.
Where did I say it was limited to that subgroup?  I said a lot of people.  

I am one of those that am surprised how bad it's been, but doesn't change that for many people it matters not what they are doing, it's just about what letter is after their name.  

 
Read the other day…Exxon’s profits first quarter this year were up $6billion (not profits $6billion…but an increase over 1st quarter 2021).  Now they also lower that with some sort of Ukraine/Russia offset…which still kept the increase at close to 3 billion.


Direct Headline: Biden mocks ‘sensitive’ Chevron CEO Michael Wirth in spat over gas price claims

President Biden escalated a war of words with Chevron CEO Michael Wirth Tuesday after the country’s second-largest oil company rejected the president’s “political rhetoric” about high gas prices....“He’s mildly sensitive. I didn’t know they’d get their feelings hurt that quickly,” Biden said at the White House when a reporter asked about Wirth’s rebuttal.....“We need more refining capacity. This idea that they don’t have oil to drill and to bring up is simply not true,” Biden said. “We ought to be able to work something out whereby they’re able to increase refining capacity and still not give up on transitioning to renewable energy.”

....Wirth wrote to Biden that addressing high gas prices “requires thoughtful action and a willingness to work together, not political rhetoric.”...Biden last week blamed oil companies for contributing to high prices — arguing they aren’t refining enough oil after previously claiming they aren’t drilling enough on existing federal leases and slamming companies such as ExxonMobil and Chevron for reaping massive profits as global prices rise....

...But Wirth wrote to Biden that “Chevron shares your concerns over the higher prices that Americans are experiencing.”...“I assure you that Chevron is doing its part to help address these challenges by increasing capital expenditures to $18 billion in 2022, more than 50% higher than last year...The US energy sector needs cooperation and support from your Administration for our country to return to a path toward greater energy security, economic prosperity, and environmental protection...”

By Steven Nelson June 21, 2022 7:56pm

https://nypost.com/2022/06/21/biden-mocks-sensitive-chevron-ceo-michael-wirth-in-spat-over-gas-price-claims

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You are, again, ignoring the larger scale issue here.

Biden made it clear he's going to kill Big Oil. Then he demands they produce more for him so he doesn't lose any more votes. However no one wants to invest and finance Big Oil projects because there's no long term prospects if establishment Democrats make it clear they are going to kill Big Oil no matter what.

You can't try to wipe someone off the map, then beg them to help you against their own self interest and against market realities, then insult them in public as if that's going to change anything. His only option now is to try to bribe Big Oil. How does Biden do that without using even more tax payer dollars?

Like the gas cards, Biden has to do something other than try to buy votes by printing more money and causing even more inflation.

 
Dickies said:
He got crucified by right wing media for releasing the oil reserves in an attempt to get more supply into the system.
Unfortunately when he released oil the last time, I barely saw a drop in price here.  I have a feeling that suppliers and stations may have kept those profits and didn’t pass them on to the consumer.  His proposed gas tax holiday will probably have the same results.  Little reason to lower the price if everyone is armed with gas cards either.  It’s a mess.

 

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