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How will CV affect the NFL? (2 Viewers)
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rockaction
Footballguy
Oh good, it's just as I thought. Men not as smart as the smartest men in the world aren't really up to solving the problems that the smartest men in the world can't really solve.
Huh. There ya go.
Huh. There ya go.
facook
Footballguy
JetMaxx
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I would look at it just the opposite way. The people that really want an NFL season to be successful are just gobsmacked that there isn't any sort of "plan" put in place other than business-as-usual. Seems to me goodell has just put his fingers in his ears and is pretending the pandemic doesn't exist which means there is almost NO chance the season goes off as planned.
Dunno if the NBA plan will work..... but at least people would have to admit it's A PLAN dealing with the realities of 2020. Maybe the NBA plan has a ~50% chance of working? It would be difficult for me to believe anyone honestly thinks what the NFL is going to do has a better than 5% chance of going off without a hitch. Keep in mind the word "hitch" in this context could include a death count of people in and around the league. They are pretty much hoping for a miracle vaccine being available to everyone by the end of August by pretending the pandemic doesn't exist and won't affect the schedule in any way.
I don't like Florio much and think he often has terrible takes, but in this case he's just stating water is wet. You don't have to "hate the NFL" to realize goodell is doing his best captain Ahab impression and that 2020 TV network money is his white whale. If goodell continues to bungle this maybe it's time for the first black NFL commissioner.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
The nba is already not working. Even if they manage to finish the season--is it really a proper finish? You have teams like Indiana where one of their main players in Oladipo is not coming back. You're going to have teams that were rolling that had a 3 month hiatus during the course of the season where some players havent touched a basketball. Already with only 13 man rosters in a situation where they are trying to keep everybody within the confines of one city--they are having major issues. Even if they finish up the season--it will be impossible to not put an asterisk next to that title if the bucks, lakers or clippers don't win.
With the NFL--you have exponentially larger rosters, and they are going to attempt to fly around every week. Also--most professional basketball players do not fit the category of being high risk in regards to the lethal danger of covid. My guess is that many NFL players would actually fit the Category of obese and being high risk dangers for covid. From the outside in--the report sounds pretty accurate. The NBA plan feels a lot more thought through than the NFL's and even that is hitting some major roadblocks.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Those waivers are generally not worth the paper they are printed on.DallasDMac said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He's not coming back due to an unrelated (to Covid) injury. He's actually going into the bubble and will sit on the bench.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
My point was that even if the NBA does finish--is it a proper finish? He was playing before the shut down--and is hesitant to ramp up activities after being forced to take a 3 month hiatus. He also said himself he's not sure if he's exactly sure how he feels about the NBA bubble in Orlando. If general--if I was a free agent after this year in any sport--I'm not sure I'd want to risk massive future earnings for the sake of playing for a reduced salary this year. This is just one of a ton of challenges for the major sports. I hope it works out but my confidence level is not very high.
rockaction
Footballguy
Better find the domes there. The Northeast is virtually unplayable in December. Note the Patriots' record at home there in Dec. and Jan.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
I won't be the least surprised if when baseball or NBA resumes that they have a huge setback and have to re-cancel or something.
As starving as I am for live games and content (though not starving enough to watch nascar or formula 1 or cornhole) at this point I'm really not even that excited for the nba season to be concluded or for MLB and I love Royals baseball.
It's also getting harder to see the possibility of of the fall sports working especially at the high school and collegiate levels.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I think this might be the biggest part of the problem.
- For these leagues a proper finish is one where the networks will pay full price for the content.... no matter how bad the level of play is. In this sense I think the NBA may have the inside track because it really only takes a few dozen stars to make games watchable. Keep in mind the NBA will mostly be playing playoff games so they are actually playing for something which adds drama even if the level of play is lower. In the case of baseball/football they have to get through an entire SEASON(even if it's abbreviated) before a playoff game is played and they need so many more participants just to play the game. At least with baseball I don't think the lower level of play will be nearly as obvious.... but maybe that's because I'm not a baseball fan in the first place. The NFL is the most physical, requires the most players/coaches, and the diminished level of play is going to be painfully obvious.
- For the networks a proper finish simply depends on ratings. They are paying big money for big ratings and there is certainly a pent up demand so ratings may be fairly high, especially at first. With the NBA having playoff games there's a pretty good chance fans will tune in even if there are problems. With the NFL the level of play(I would guess somewhere between pre-season level and scab games) may actually lose audience way, WAY before they get to the playoffs assuming the league isn't forced to shut things down well before the playoffs.
- For the players a proper finish depends on the player imo, as we've discussed in this thread before. I'm guessing the bottom half of the NFL will absolutely be willing to take a risk so they don't lose one of their 2-4yr career. If I were a star, especially one that had any future guaranteed money either way, I don't know why I would take such a risk. Some will probably think it makes them seem more manly or tougher playing through no matter what.
- For the fans a proper finish is probably out of reach no matter what. That's why I think it's disingenuous for sports media folks to claim, "Well if you want a season the only way it will work is........". Well, there won't be a season played at a level we have come to expect no matter what happens. More often than not those "journalist" sound like arm chair generals that are more than willing to risk the health of others so they have something to write about, podcast about, etc. Just think about the statement, "We can't outrun the virus". WTF?
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Any league pretending that they can criss-cross the country staying in hotels in a new city every week and everything will be just fine is completely kidding themselves. I don't care if you test them 30 times a day. It's not the players you have to test multiple times every day it's every person in transit/hospitality/food preperation that they come in contact with.... in 30+ cities? Good luck.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Not saying this is a bad plan, but I don't understand it completely.
1. Are you saying that those college campuses will be closed and empty(other than the NFL teams and their coaches/trainers)?
2. I honestly think all pro athletes will be tested more often than that. It wouldn't be shocking to me if there was a test before every full contact practice(which might result in fewer contact practices).
No matter what, you have a much better plan than anything goodell has come up with in the past several months.
facook
Footballguy
Doesn't matter, whatever the story is his take is negative toward the league. He hates it.
What does the bolded have to do with anything? A black man would automatically be doing this better than Goodell? Would someone who is red or yellow or light brown? 
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I saw / heard somewhere the other day (PFT, the morning TV version?) that there has been talk of teams traveling game day only, flying in on chartered planes, riding straight to the stadium, riding back to the plane immediately after the game, and flying back home . . . all in one day, no staying in hotels, no eating in restaurants, etc.. That seems very taxing for the visiting team, but in theory would reduce exposure to people from city to city. I am guessing teams flying across the country and then trying to play a football game right away would be at a huge disadvantage . . . a West Coast team traveling east might have to leave at 3 AM to get to a game an hour before game time. But there are going to have to be some huge changes and concessions to be able to get games to happen.
I would assume they would change start times to allow for enough travel time if this was the case. I am not sure how that would play out but seems like a really, really bad idea regardless.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If my team (the Knicks) won the Championship (
) I would not be able to care less if some one felt it wasn't a proper finish. They made it to the finals as an 8th seed in 2000 and I didn't care if it was tainted because it was a strike shortened season.With all of that said, of course I have doubts this will all work out fine. I sure hope so but I'd be far from shocked if the NFL plays zero games this season.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Knicks aren't playing in the Orlando bubble, so yeah, I think people would have a problem and would call it an improper finish if they won the championship this year. That being said, it will be interesting to see which sport (if any) in America will make it to the finish line and declare a champion decided on the field of play.If my team (the Knicks) won the Championship (
With all of that said, of course I have doubts this will all work out fine. I sure hope so but I'd be far from shocked if the NFL plays zero games this season.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah I know, hence the
- point being the fans of whatever team wins the Tournament aren't going to care about some guy on a message board calling it "improper" - and I'm speaking generally not calling out jvdesign.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I think we will see a lot of weird things going on in a lot of sports that are either a) restarting and trying to finish a season, b) trying to play an abbreviated season, or c) minimizing practices and preseasons and making up stuff almost on the fly. We have no idea which athletes have been working out, who put on 20 pounds, who is out of shape, who might pull a hamstring and miss a series, which teams will click, etc. As a for instance, the Nationals last year after 60 games would not even have made the playoffs and then caught fire. For baseball, any team could have a decent stretch for 60 games. In basketball, it would not shock me at all if the Bucks or the L.A. teams fell flat on their faces. There won't be any continuity in hockey or basketball . . . the break lasted way too long. I heard a discussion earlier today that NFL teams with top defensive units should have a big advantage to start the season as it was predicted that the offenses would be out of sync for quite a while. Things will be interesting by just being different. But at the end of any given season (assuming they can get through a season), whomever wins is going to count their championship just like every other prior title winning team.Yeah I know, hence the
Shutout
Footballguy
I am with the sect that is looking for a mercy killing on these seasons. It is simply not worth it and the result in any sport in terms of validity, success, did it carry a huge asterisk, etc, is just not worth it. When the NFL's 9 game season ends with the Atlanta Falcons beating the Baltimore Ravens largely due to the fact that 14 Ravens starters and a few coaches couldn't participate...the football world will feel cheated, cheapened, and jilted.
None of us are naive enough to think that the only reason this is being pushed is not because of this notion that America needs sports or we need to have some normalcy in our lives (normalcy is not burying a family member or members of your community over this)...its because of money, money, money, and this hubristic notion that the NFL can just brute force any agenda and get what they want. If they do this, they will leave a wake of casualties in the swath, covered by settlement money and false apologies.
We all love sports. Safe to say we wouldn't be on this site if we didn't. But we need to be less myopic and see a bigger picture here.
None of us are naive enough to think that the only reason this is being pushed is not because of this notion that America needs sports or we need to have some normalcy in our lives (normalcy is not burying a family member or members of your community over this)...its because of money, money, money, and this hubristic notion that the NFL can just brute force any agenda and get what they want. If they do this, they will leave a wake of casualties in the swath, covered by settlement money and false apologies.
We all love sports. Safe to say we wouldn't be on this site if we didn't. But we need to be less myopic and see a bigger picture here.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Guessing season starts but doesn't finish, with strong possibility it doesn't even start.
College not happening.
College not happening.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
American sports starts tonight with the MLS. Let’s see how it goes - they are in a bubble at least so they have a better chance of a success.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Never mind. I was thinking that goodell looked lost had clueless BUT that was before I heard about his latest plan to fight covid. Now that the players won't be exchanging jerseys after the game problem pretty much solved. It would be difficult to replace a forward thinking problem solver like goodell whether they were black, brown, purple or red.Doesn't matter, whatever the story is his take is negative toward the league. He hates it.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I expect goodell to announce a 2020 moratorium on kissing booths in stadiums next week, after he's rested over the weekend to really mull it over.shadyridr said:
DallasDMac
Footballguy
facook
Footballguy
I stand corrected. Florio defended Malcolm Jenkins dismissing Desean Jackson's antisemitism as no big deal. So shocking.BoltBacker said:Never mind. I was thinking that goodell looked lost had clueless BUT that was before I heard about his latest plan to fight covid. Now that the players won't be exchanging jerseys after the game problem pretty much solved. It would be difficult to replace a forward thinking problem solver like goodell whether they were black, brown, purple or red.Doesn't matter, whatever the story is his take is negative toward the league. He hates it.
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