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I agree with your logic and just want to add the NFL has the benefit of seeing what happens as the NBA and NHL try to restart. If those leagues can't pull it off -and there have already been rashes of outbreaks in the 5 seconds after they merely reopened facilities- the NFL surely won't be able to either.
It’s not the exposure. It’s the ICUs filling up with 18-29 year-olds in AZ, FL, TX & other places that have relaxed restrictions.
agreed - I said pages ago that the NFL is a bit lucky with timing. This hit right after the Super Bowl. Of all the sports, they have the best timing.
Agreed. It a sucks.
Last I read it was 3 days on average from exposure to symptomatic.
It’s what’s being reported on the news, along with 36,000+ new cases country-wife in 1 day.
Got it so you don’t have an accurate source you can share it’s just something you heard in the background while doing something else but then decided to post here as if it’s a concrete fact.
All players are at risk of GETTING IT. Very very few are at risk of anything more than a cough for a few days. Maybe 1 in a million players are at risk of death.
i'm not talking "asthma". I'm talking severe conditions that are putting these people in ICU's. The people in their age group being put in the ICU are almost all prior conditions. If every NFL player got Covid, I'd put good money down that not a single one's life would be in danger. In fact, looking at stats, not a single one of them would even be intubated, or put in the ICU. And we aren't talking "0 to maybe 1". We're talking it would take 500 NFL leagues at 1700 players each to have one person's life in danger.
Not making anything up. Do you have any stats on that age group and what the death rate is and how many have prior conditions and how many had great healthcare access? Or are you like Hot Sauce Guy who mentioned a cruise where only old people got critically ill but he ignored those facts when it didn't fit the narrative?
I don't know why it's not in the Politics forum where @Joe Bryant moved it once before. And then it got remade and still isn't NFL talk. And then he warned he would move it again, and it's still not NFL talk and is talking about death rates on a cruise ship.
Country-wives, fortunately, are not very susceptible. The combination of rural air and rugged living has strengthened their immune systems, resulting in an almost non-existent fatality rate.
There is legit NFL talk about this matter. In fact, there is an informative thread in the FFA about this very thing ("How will CV affect the NFL?"). In that thread, I just posted the following items:
I suspect he’s in the vast minority here as I’d guess the majority think they are Superman and even if it were a 1% (it’s not) chance they’d suffer severe consequences from getting it they’d still assume they won’t be the 1% to get it bad. He brings up a good point about worrying about his parents though and if he isn’t willing to avoid contact with them during the season then he should sit out the season and I wouldn’t judge him for it.
It's easy for a guy like Jenkins to say this is not essential business when he has millions in the bank. There is a lot more to this business than just the players and those directly related to the teams. If football doesn't go this year that will crush the economy. I have to think that football is to big to fail.
I live in Arizona and have not heard anything about ICU's filling up with 18-29 year olds.
I wonder how late into the year NFL could delay the season opening? How far into 2021 could they continue to play?
I think those who exaggerate the numbers unintentionally create more resistance from the deniers. This divide is helping to fuel the spread of the virus. We need to stop the spread of "doom and gloom" and start calling things as they are. There is a tremendous mistrust out there because of the misrepresenting of data.
A few months ago, I had seen something about speculative plans to move the Super Bowl three weeks later to the last weekend in February (from Sun 2/7/2021 to Sun 2/28/2021), and from there "rebuild" the season as well as possible. Maybe taking back the dead weekend between the conference title games and the Super Bowl, as well.
What was said about ICUs specifically was that they were approaching 80% capacity after a brief time of flattening the curve & seeing lower numbers.
Oops - sorry, you posted this at the same time I posted the AZ numbers.
That’s the question Baseball & basketball are struggling with now. When is it time to just throw in the towel & call it a lost season.
As it relates to football, ICU beds filling up would be a really bad thing. If hospitals truly do get overrun the public perception the NFL will have to battle will be much worse. Also as it relates to the football, nothing you posted mentions the 18-29 year old demographic that you are saying is populating the ICU usage surge.
Where does it say that younger people are flooding the ICU's?
Every study done so far has found that asthma increases the risk of severe illness. Every study done so far has found that Black people are more likely to get severe illness. So the fact that NFL athletes are predominantly black, and many have asthma and other co-morbidities, suggests that there are NFL players who have significant risks relative to other people their age.
Much of the effects that Covid is having on the black community is that many blacks live in impoverished areas and don't have access to quality health care. This is not the case of NFL players. Those with with health issues will have to make a decision whether to play or not.
You're going in circles. Many people have told you that there's other reason's black people are more susceptible.... you're bringing up social groups that are not NFL players. Black people also disproportionately die of starvation in the world. Guess that means that NFL players are at higher risk of dying of starvation too right?
Don't try talking sense into him, he's been clear that he's made up his mind and will ignore science and medical evidence.
This makes covid seem like a choice.Back to the skittles analogy:
you’ve got a bowl of 100 skittles. 1 can kill you & 3 others will make you extremely sick. Are you going to eat any skittles?
you’ve got a bowl of 100 skittles. 3 can kill your mother/grandmother & 10 others will make them extremely sick. Are you going to pass the bowl of skittles over to them?
That'd be cool if we can talk about it as it's connected to the NFL. A few people are on suspension it looks like as they refused to stop making it personal when we asked them to.
I would think they could successfully trace who might have been in contact with a person who tests positive. They will be testing I think every day. I don't think a player with Coronavirus would be anymore a risk to society than someone who tested positive at Walmart. The Walmart person would be more dangerous since he could have had it for a longer time.
I have been speculating in my various league chats that the season won’t start until November.
It's hard to think they will be able to get in enough preparation time to start up in November based on the current spikes in Corona.
My point is it's never going to be just one person or player. It will undoubtedly be a cluster, and although they can test and trace and isolate (are there locales out there successfully pulling this off in the US?), it is likely to late to contain from the standpoint of the team at that point. Or at least plausible anyway.
I think you can't possibly run a sports organization unless everyone is getting tested more or less every day. I mean, one trainer could infect the whole team.
