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Sure, because we want to beat other countries at stuff and be #1.
It can be both, you can have national pride and still acknowledge not everything is perfect and try and improve things. It is completely random whether you were born here vs born somewhere else, it is not like it is a decision you had any input in. It is no different than someone being a Steeler fan or Bronco fan, dependent on whether you were born in Denver or Pittsburgh. Most people did not choose their team, it was arbitrarily assigned based where you or your parents grew up, yet people still take pride in their team.
i often wondered this as well
I don’t see how wanting to beat other countries and be #1 at Olympics is anything other than chest thumping because of what rock you landed on when you fell out of your mothers vag
until you know my life, don't name call please or presume to know or understand what I've been throughKarmaPolice said:
I didn't presume anything, and you have given clues as to what you have been through.
OK, we share a bunch of things, I completely agree and I think everyone lost the original post I was responding to because you are explaining to me something I agree with.
Gotcha, yeah I think missed the original part of the conversation. I am all for being proud of Americans when they warrant it and being disappointed in them when it's warranted. I also think it's really misguided to talk about "the country". It is "the people" that matter. The country is a bunch of laws and agreements based around The Constitution. It's fine but what we should really be looking at is Americans. The Americans of today can be proud of what Americans did in the 1940s but those people are mostly not with us anymore. How do we feel about the current crop of Americans?Stealthycat said:
How is challenging the notion that US is the greatest country in the world (an entirely silly premise to begin with) being against the USA? I love the city I live in but I don't think its the best city in the world. I loved rooting for Calvin Johnson but I don't think he's the best WR of all time. I really like my employer but I think there is room for improvment. Does that mean I should quit my job, move to a new city and throw away all my Lions hats?kayjay1971 said:
It's because our freedoms don't come from acts of the legislature, or adoption thereby. They're firmly cemented as inalienable and natural as air. They're right there in the founding document, something other countries do not have.waiver wire said:
Yeah well welcome to this board. I've called that out before. It's hard to hear about how much your country sucks over and over and over again..but that is the theme here.
TripitUp: USA is the greatest country in the world!
I honestly think its a fundamental difference in right vs left mindset and where political affiliation ends up being less about issues and often more about personality.
you missed my Geography and Diversity of Climate post
Seems a difference here that the left is willing to lay out reasons and logic for their positions on why they disagree...instead of even attempting to refute such things...its met with "nuh uh" or spin that stating reasons we are not the greatest means we hate America or should therefore leave.
KarmaPolice said:
it would be more accurate to say you are using "flippant" as a character attack on someone you have no personal knowledge of in an effort to devalue my view and opinions
that's an interesting topic ..... I think they're split, today's crop of American's more so than ever before between left liberal socialist ideas and right conservative capitalist/Republic idea
Why are you comparing her to your neighbor's wife?
Of course I do. My wife IS the greatest wife in the history of the world. And if someone wants to bad mouth her, they aren't doing it to me. if YOU like to listen to someone bad mouth your wife, well that's on you man..I personally won't tolerate it. Wow.
That’s what you got from my message ... that I like to listen to people bad mouth my wife? This response in a nutshell is why America is as messed up right now as it is ... people talking past each other for a gotcha. Boy you sure got me good!
I love my wife, but I will still tell her if the soup needs salt next time we make it. ( I would also probably love Scarlet Johansson as my wife too... )
That's really not a good comparison.
No. I explained myself and stand by it. Saying how your post came across is not a character attack.
Yeah I don't know what you were rambling about then. Try to be better with your message I guess?
I presume your wife doesn't beat you or steal from you. She probably doesn't run around picking fights either.
Woah...Ok gonna try to get this one through the concrete.
We just quoted posts that said our country is great.
TripitUp: USA is the greatest country in the world!
It is all performative patriotism. Doing things is hard, waving a flag is easy. My facebook is full of "patriots" who punt on every issue except having a flag bumper sticker.
Yeah all good..except I think the original concept seems to be that the folks on this board spend 99% of the time talking about how bad America is and 1% talking about how good it is. And that schtick gets old after a while.
I agree with the sentiment, but some of our "progress" has stemmed from people that "keep pushing it to improve" and has undermined the federalist structure of the Constitution and rendered its original intent and efficacy moot, unfortunately.
I agree but that's humanity in a nutshell...for every two steps forward there is one step back. We are however slowly moving forward though. There are dark periods and advanced periods...
