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🇪🇺 ⚽ EURO 2020 ⚽ 🇪🇺 People are saying THIS is the new greatest moment in sports history (3 Viewers)
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
That wasn't a red...
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Soft
Desert_Power
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
Typical Michael Oliver fashion, red cards a player for a great tackle.
Close, but I wouldn't have given them that. Don't think Switzerland can avoid a spanish push now
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Why was VAR not used here? That seems tailored made for a look on the screen from the ref based on the various angles.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Reports seem to indicate VAR confirmed. Plus English refs don't go to the monitors.
And its Michael Oliver, the worst ref in England making sure he get the same designation in the Euros
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Kafka
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Is this really overall consensus? I like Oliver and think he does a solid, consistent job
B Maverick
Footballguy
But this isn't what happened.
Defender slides and kicks the ball, trailing leg catches the attacker's foot. Studs do not touch the attacker and aren't "Up".
Another great tackle wrongly called as a foul.
And it seems VAR didn't intervene
B Maverick
Footballguy
Since he and Anthony Taylor are at the Euros, whoever matters thinks he's the best. He's improved since he allowed Joe Hart to headbutt him without giving him a card and showed Di Maria red for tugging his shirt. But he always looks overwhelmed and easily influenced to me.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Just looked at a couple searches and he's listed #1 overall and #2 in the other. That seems right to me.
Jayrod
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
Oh the College Football ones that get guys ejected?
Seems no one likes those calls either. Don't watch a lot of CFL so I can't comment other then the comments online.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm not a soccer guy, but I do ref college football and HS basketball.
I don't get the sense of the bolded at all.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Yup. Game changing calls that are forced on the refs with poorly defined rules that require a lot of subjective decision making (which leads to inconsistency and arguments).
gianmarco
Footballguy
I have no idea what you were watching. I just screen recorded it and will post in a moment. Not only does he not even get ball first, it's not close.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Appreciate the opinion. Every time i see him ref he's blowing big calls. And several of my friends who support other teams often have issues with him.
But all English refs suck, so its a low bar to being the best of the worst
B Maverick
Footballguy
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Moreno has wasted three good chances now.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Sommer glovin' had him a blast ...
gianmarco
Footballguy
This is such a bizarre conversation to me. When I described what happened above, you said that's not what happened.
I said it was a:
1) sliding...
2) two-footed tackle
3) Studs up
4) Didn't get to the ball first
Can you explain to me which of the above you disagree with on the link you posted?
Jayrod
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Just occurred to me that if the Swiss win here and Italy gets past Belgium, I can post Orson Welles' monologue from The Third Man.
B Maverick
Footballguy
2, 3, & 4
2: He swung his right leg and played the ball, his left leg, dragged behind is what caught the Spanish player
3: Studs never caught anyone and were where you would expect for someone kicking a ball while sliding
4: Got the ball first
Only after the Spanish player (Moreno?) played it first.
It did not have to be red, but it’s not a clear and obvious error.
This may be semantics - the ball hit him before he slid through the player, but it was Moreno who played the ball first.
B Maverick
Footballguy
True. But Frueler still played the ball before getting the Spanish Player.
If he had gone to the monitor he might have thought it was. Although the discussion here may also mean it isn't clear and obvious
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The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Slick little play there - wish Dani Olmo would have caught that more cleanly.
Switzerland
But there are several who are bigger supporters of Italy than me and they might have a different opinion.
I think Italy would be prohibitive favorites against either (as would Belgium).
Kafka
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Spanish player getting ball first
Ball played, studs into the leg (and up)
Leg scissored
Those are in order, at the :28 mark. Clear as day.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Spain content to serve up a bunch of small chances as they are ready instead fewer chances at set times.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
Of course stills make it look worse.
Swiss player plays the ball before getting the Spanish player = playing the ball first. As in playing the ball prior to the man, not who played the ball first.
Hard to tell if the studs make contact on the freezeframe. From the video he is swinging his leg to play the ball and if he does catch him its minimal. Maybe I am wrong
Getting caught between his legs as the bottom catches you does not make it a scissor, esp when his right leg is swinging away from the Spanish player. A Scissor is when you swing both legs through the player from opp sides. But maybe its symantics on this to.
And maybe its my old school views on tackles....
With that, seems the ref agrees with you. So nothing we can do but disagree
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The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
PK's - Spain are in trouble.
