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1.03: Who Should The Cleveland Browns Pick? (1 Viewer)
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messinwithu
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It might steer them away from Peterson.They may think that they get Quinn this year and they will have another tough year with him as the starter but they get him a year of experience working with Edwards and Winslow. The record will not be great which could put them in place to get one of the very good RB's coming out next year (McFadden, Slaton etc). The RB learning curve is much shorter than QB so they have a 2nd year QB to go along with a rookie RB and young WR/TE's?
It sounds like a good idea, but RC might be on the hot seat. It would be tough for the Browns to go into the season with Quinn, Frye and Anderson as the trio of QBs.
wadegarrett
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Romeo might be on the hot seat, but I don't think Savage is at this time. People need to consider this more.I think the Jamal signing might rule out Peterson to the Browns, unless they move down and he is there around #7/8. So, I'll assume Russell goes #1. That leaves the Browns with Quinn, Calvin and Thomas. If the Lions take one of them, then it's down to two of them. I would not be suprised to see either Quinn or Calvin as the pick. If they go WR, and TB REALLY wants him, they will have to pay for him. The Browns may be in position to call TBs bluff on draft day and piss Gruden off. If TB doesn't want to trade for Calvin, then the Browns will be happy to keep him. Braylon/Calvin/Winslow, an improved offensive line, and Jamal in the backfield SHOULD make Frye/Anderson better.The RB position is the last thing a team needs to get over the hump, imo, and is easiest to fill.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Lewis signing does nothing for me.
Nor does it change my mind about them taking Peterson.
Nor does it change my mind about them taking Peterson.
T Man
Footballguy
The Browns will take JaMarcus Russell. Savage has been enamored with him since high school. Russell has attended Savage's camps in Mobile, Alabama. Reports are the Browns sent a contingent of scouts to LSU in October and November to talk to Les Miles and the LSU staff about Russell and his work habits.
THey are enamored with him and his strong arm -- which can bbe useful with the strong wintery winds.
So the real question is whether the Raiders will draft him #1. I think after all is said and done, the Raiders draft CJ. He is the best player in the draft IMHO and I think the Raiders will trade Moss -- making a spot for him. But the Raiders are going to play chicken and see if the Browns will trade up to #1.
THey are enamored with him and his strong arm -- which can bbe useful with the strong wintery winds.
So the real question is whether the Raiders will draft him #1. I think after all is said and done, the Raiders draft CJ. He is the best player in the draft IMHO and I think the Raiders will trade Moss -- making a spot for him. But the Raiders are going to play chicken and see if the Browns will trade up to #1.
Wandering wookie
Footballguy
I'm was saying the Browns would be in a better position by trying to get Thomas or Calvin. RB seems like the easiest spot to fill if your line is good (not saying the Browns line is good).
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The Browns drafted two RBs in last year's draft. Jerome Harrision in the fifth round and RB/FB Lawrence Vickers in the sixth. They also recently resigned RB Jason Wright and have RB Terrelle Smith. Droughns could restructure his contract and the Browns could go with a two-back offense featuring two big backs along that route or with Vickers if he develops or have Harrision/Wright as the change of pace RB with Jam as the feature back. But how often do teams get a shot at a franchise QB when they have the need and bypass them to take another RB in the top three after making a big FA splash?I'm was saying the Browns would be in a better position by trying to get Thomas or Calvin. RB seems like the easiest spot to fill if your line is good (not saying the Browns line is good).
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yep.I can't remember when they wanted to carry more than 5 RB/FB on the roster. Remember all the Suggs/Green/Droughns/Harrison/Vickers/Smith stuff...there was eventually an odd man out there. I'm sure most NFL teams are that way (5 RB/FB), no? Since there are 6 under contract as we speak, it only seems fitting that Droughns is gone and Peterson will not be the pick here.The Browns drafted two RBs in last year's draft. Jerome Harrision in the fifth round and RB/FB Lawrence Vickers in the sixth. They also recently resigned RB Jason Wright and have RB Terrelle Smith. Droughns could restructure his contract and the Browns could go with a two-back offense featuring two big backs along that route or with Vickers if he develops or have Harrision/Wright as the change of pace RB with Jam as the feature back. But how often do teams get a shot at a franchise QB when they have the need and bypass them to take another RB in the top three after making a big FA splash?
I believe the game of football is won at the line of scrimmage. Top priority must be given to those units until they become elite. Teams that build successful programs dominate at the line. If Joe Thomas is not there, and they cannot trade down, then take the best guy on the defensive line left on the board. Probably Branch. I'm sick and tired of seeing the Browns burn high picks on skill position guys when the LOS is not even adequate. Do not take Peterson here. Do not take Calvin Johnson here.
wadegarrett
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Under no circumstances am I looking to debate this issue. You can point out busts at every position in the draft. It is my view that you win football games at the LOS. The Browns are not good at the LOS. Therefore, you address that first. There's no other option. Look at the Steelers. They load up both LOS with first-day draft picks. Lots of first rounders on the OL and DL. Then they go grab an undrafted RB like Fast Willie Parker. That's how to do it. They could plug any number of RBs back there and have success because they control the line.Now sometimes, a team with a quality lines might have a bad year due to injuries or what not and land a high pick. The Colts had some good teams in the 90s and then landed the top pick after one bad year. Peyton Manning went to a good team. The Steelers built their lines, and only AFTER they did that did they look at a QB in the first round. Skill position players are rather secondary items on good teams.
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nxmehta
Footballguy
I don't think there is a disagreement that you need a good OL + DL to win in football. I think the point was that picking OL/DL high is not a sure thing. You need great lines, but under no circumstances is it a prerequisite that those linemen are first round picks. Look at the top lines from last year (I posted this in another thread where you brought this up).Don't want to flame here, but... you've posted this strong opinion in many threads before, and stated you are not open to debate. What is the point of you posting this again and again?
This is just spin from a Cleveland writer. From the same article:
This guy has no inside information, nothing to make him more qualified to speculate on who they are going to draft than us. Savage is doing a great job, I don't think anyone outside the organization truly knows what the Brown's are going to do with their pick at this point.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Prior to the draft the goal is to confuse teams so that no one knows who we are picking. By the conversation in this thread, I'd say the Browns are doing well 
I don't believe an internet forum has to be a competition where you fight other people for credibility on an issue and set some goal of changing people's minds to mirror your own in a debate. I don't expect to convince anyone I'm right. My point, my goal, is just to share my views. I post it again this time because the question was asked again. Maybe 5 years from now, I change my mind on this issue. Who knows. Still the same right now.I'm not looking for anyone to respond to my post in agreement or disagreement. If I got zero responses, I couldn't care less. It was just my view. Someone asked who the Browns should draft here and I tried to help out thru my experience and knowledge. That's it.
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wadegarrett
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Was my point also. Not trying to undermine what you said BGP. Just stating that the Browns have tried to address the OL and DL by using high picks. I completely agree both lines need to be the starting point at building a winning team. But I also think if all signs point to AP or CJ being as close to "can't miss" prospects as you can get, you have to take a shot at them. Obviously, Savage and the Browns know more than I do, so if they go Quinn, Thomas, AP, whoever; I just have to believe they did their homework and picked the guy who will help the team the most.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
We ALL agree that the lines have to improve. This is nothing secret. All Browns fans and football people know this. But to say you have to use the #3 pick in the draft on one or two specific positions is off base and I think BGP is in the minority when he says so. You have to take the best player available at the #3 pick, and if it fits your needs, then it's doubely good. Management must think that this is the last time they will have the #3 pick for the forseeable future. You don't take an OL that is 15th overall on your board at #3 because of a need. You get value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds at those need areas. Somebody will fall to you, and if not, it's easier to move those picks than #3 overall to get extra picks.
gocats
Footballguy
Family Matters
Footballguy
Tale this FWIW:
I posted this in the Carr rumor thread and thought it belongs here as well:
Not sure this has anything to do with where Carr will go but I'll add it as it might become relevant. Yesterday I spoke with a member of the Browns and we were discussing the off season moves they've made to date. I asked about Frye and he answered with he didn't know what would happen to him but that they were very impressed and surprised by how well Anderson played. Also, his body language regrading Frye was as though he was uncomfortable saying anything supportive. Maybe I'm reading into that but he glowed about Anderson.
There's been rumors about Frye and the Browns not being happy with him so maybe this really is the case. If so then the Carr rumors make some sense to include the Browns in that discussion.
I posted this in the Carr rumor thread and thought it belongs here as well:
Not sure this has anything to do with where Carr will go but I'll add it as it might become relevant. Yesterday I spoke with a member of the Browns and we were discussing the off season moves they've made to date. I asked about Frye and he answered with he didn't know what would happen to him but that they were very impressed and surprised by how well Anderson played. Also, his body language regrading Frye was as though he was uncomfortable saying anything supportive. Maybe I'm reading into that but he glowed about Anderson.
There's been rumors about Frye and the Browns not being happy with him so maybe this really is the case. If so then the Carr rumors make some sense to include the Browns in that discussion.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I don't want you to disclose sources but when you say a member of the Browns are you talking a player or a person within the front office or someone lower on the totem pole?Per Anderson. I think he showed much more than Frye the instant he got a chance behind center but he seemed painfully awkward being interviewed and then in his last game he melted under pressure before being sent to IR from the one a hard shot he took so I question his leadership abilities, the missing 'IT' factor, and I do have to question his toughness as well. In college he threw 24 interceptions in one season earning the nickname 'Anderception' and was never really accurate. When he went in against KC last year he looked phenominal and the next week against the Steelers he was still looking good but then he turned back into a pumpkin his last game throwing four interceptions. So although he showed far more than Frye has, I feel its more a testament to how much Frye is lacking rather than how solid a prospect that Anderson is.
I don't know if talk of the Browns being unhappy with Frye are rumors. He has gotten 18 starts and has played in 23 games over two years which is ample time to evaluate his game. A solid leader who owns the huddle with his pressence but the only improvement he showed from his rookie year was increasing his completion percentage. The caveat was that most of those throws were of 5 yards or less where he had an 86% completion rate in basically dumpoffs. If you notice David Carr also excelled in dumping the ball off so the one strong suit of Carr and Frye is the five yard and less passing game.
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/footb...y_Pass_Distance
The holes Frye's game resemble a whell of Swiss cheese.- QB passer rating went down over his rookie season
- QB passer rating fell to 56% in the fourth quarter
- continuous streak of fifteen straight games of either throwing an interception or fumbling the ball away
- lead the league in interceptions thrown within his own twenty yard line
- second in the league in interceptions thrown inside the opposition's twenty yard line
- lacks feel for the pocket or an internal clock to enables him to get rid of the ball instead of taking a sack
- terrible reading WR breaks
- can't seem to read where pressure will come from defense
- isn't deft at checking down plays
- can't make some throws, i.e., doesn't have the greatest arm
Per Carr, two of his teammates have pointed at him as the problem on the Texan offense. Frye and Carr seem to dump off passes under pressure or take sacks instead of making plays to keep drives going.
One other thing that I hesitate to note but it was brought up last year by Savage. Savage let slip that he like born again Christian type of players and David Carr has been vocal about him being a born again Christian and is very active in that department. When Savage made those comments the Browns front office had them removed the very next day. Savage traded for Trent Dilfer who is also a born again Christian. I just hope he is able to keep strong in his faith but comport himself at work makind sound football decisions based off of football credentials rather than what faith a player is.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Bracie-
The guy I talked to is a player. Not someone that would actually be "in the know" but has a good feel. That's why I say TIFWIW.
The guy I talked to is a player. Not someone that would actually be "in the know" but has a good feel. That's why I say TIFWIW.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
That sounds like what a player might say. DA is supposed to be a solid practice player with the better arm/delivery etc. On the other side of the fence KWII has been vocal in backing Frye. Its human nature that some players would favor Frye and others DA. We gave Frye his shot and he hasn't done anything to suggest he'll ever develop so its time to move on.Family Matters said:
DA has flashed but how can we entrust the team into his hands? If we have an opportunity to draft a top QB then I would not hesitate in taking either Russell or Quinn. Vastly different styles but I think both make it. Let Frye/Anderson duke it out to start the season and sit the rook for as long as possible. Ease them in late next season ALA Shanahan/Cutler in Denver.
I trust your source. DA is the better QB, Frye is the better leader but Charlie simply isn't good enough and its time to move on. I also think DA missing the elusive 'IT' factor so we have to get a legit QB in the draft.
Just my humble-O.
Family Matters
Footballguy
I can see folks on both sides of the Frye Anderson discussion. Both have good qualities and yet I'm not sure either can actually be the man. I would agree drafting Quinn would be the better option for this team. Another factor for this team is the upgrades on the O-line. Whoever plays QB will have better protection that they had before, barring injuries of course. Injuries have left this team snake bitten so I really hop they get a chance to see where they are.
Maybe with a little luck they even get Bentley back. Then they would have a chance to excell on offense some.
