12th Pick strategy - 2008 edition (1 Viewer)

[Eradicator]

Well, you turned out pretty golden but I think you got pretty luck (& I'm not sure who Avery is). I also wouldn't expect Calvin Johnson or anyone of his ilk to fall to 5.12 (or even close).

 

[kstockwell]

I just had my draft last night. Thought I might share some of it with you guys. I think with at the 12th pick, you have to let the draft come to you in the first 4 rounds. There will be some surprises (3 WR's were gone before my first pick with Andre Johnson being picked before TO or RW ). Also, others might say I reached for a player or two but given the fact that you will have lots of time between picks, I think you have to in some cases).

OK, here is what you probably want to see. 12 team, mostly sharks, PPR league R/R TD's 6, passing 4 (-2 int), start 1qb,2 RB, 2WR, 1TE league:

Rd 1-4

Pick Pos Player

01.01 RB1 LaDainian Tomlinson

01.02 RB3 Brian Westbrook

01.03 RB2 Adrian Peterson

01.04 RB4 Joseph Addai

01.05 RB6 Steven Jackson

01.06 QB1 Tom Brady

01.07 RB5 Marion Barber III

01.08 WR1 Randy Moss

01.09 WR6 Andre Johnson

01.10 RB8 Frank Gore

01.11 WR3 Terrell Owens

01.12 RB10 Clinton Portis

02.01 RB7 Marshawn Lynch

02.02 RB9 Larry Johnson

02.03 RB11 Maurice Jones-Drew

02.04 RB13 Ryan Grant

02.05 QB4 Peyton Manning

02.06 WR2 Reggie Wayne

02.07 RB15 Laurence Maroney

02.08 RB19 Willie Parker

02.09 WR5 Braylon Edwards

02.10 RB14 Jamal Lewis

02.11 WR4 Larry Fitzgerald

02.12 WR7 Marques Colston

03.01 QB3 Tony Romo

03.02 RB12 Brandon Jacobs

03.03 WR9 T.J. Houshmandzadeh

03.04 QB5 Carson Palmer

03.05 WR11 Plaxico Burress

03.06 RB16 Michael Turner

03.07 RB21 Reggie Bush

03.08 RB29 Ronnie Brown

03.09 RB18 Earnest Graham

03.10 WR15 Steve Smith

03.11 RB23 Selvin Young

03.12 WR8 Chad Johnson

04.01 WR12 Calvin Johnson

04.02 RB17 Willis McGahee

04.03 WR14 Santonio Holmes

04.04 WR17 Jerricho Cotchery

04.05 RB28 Ricky Williams

04.06 WR18 Wes Welker

04.07 WR20 Brandon Marshall

04.08 WR10 Torry Holt

04.09 WR13 Anquan Boldin

04.10 WR28 Santana Moss

04.11 WR31 Marvin Harrison

04.12 RB24 Darren McFadden

My Team

07.12 QB9 Jay Cutler

10.01 QB21 Brett Favre

02.01 RB7 Marshawn Lynch

01.12 RB10 Clinton Portis

06.01 RB25 LenDale White

08.01 RB36 Rudi Johnson

13.12 RB50 Fred Jackson

14.01 RB55 Ladell Betts

03.12 WR8 Chad Johnson

04.01 WR12 Calvin Johnson

12.01 WR27 Reggie Brown

09.12 WR35 Ted Ginn

05.12 TE2 Kellen Winslow Jr

15.12 PK12 Kris Brown

11.12 DEF4 New York Giants

Pretty happy with this team. Hopefully 2 top 10 RB's, 2 top 15 WR's, an elite TE. QB's aren't spectacular but with our scoring, qb 4-10 usually put up similar #'s. Biggest reach was probably Calvin. Was debating between him, Holt or Welker. Potential risk but potential big reward.

Hope this helped some of you. Good luck with your drafting.

Ken

Seems you did ok... but you said mostly sharks in that league, Carson Palmer at 3.04 ?? what round was Brees picked in (not listed)??

Brees was taken at 5.03 (big ben was 5.02). A little surprised he lasted this long but the difference between the 2 last year in our scoring system was 25 points. I'm a big fan of drafting the QB late as there seems to be great value this year.Ken

 

[bocksheesh]

I tend to believe that if you start out your team with Marshawn Lynch and Clinton Portis, you are destined to be decent but not great.

Both of those guys are very good RB2s and not great RB1s. Just by virtue of their offensive systems, relative health concerns, and relative scoring potential, I don't see a high upside with either guy.

I'm drafting from the #12 spot, and am leaning very heavily towards going WR/WR, and getting two studs. That's a team that is at least scary and has a chance at going the distance.

But building your team around two good not great RBs seems like a safe but not long-term effective strategy.

 

[Meat]

I tend to believe that if you start out your team with Marshawn Lynch and Clinton Portis, you are destined to be decent but not great.Both of those guys are very good RB2s and not great RB1s. Just by virtue of their offensive systems, relative health concerns, and relative scoring potential, I don't see a high upside with either guy. I'm drafting from the #12 spot, and am leaning very heavily towards going WR/WR, and getting two studs. That's a team that is at least scary and has a chance at going the distance.But building your team around two good not great RBs seems like a safe but not long-term effective strategy.

This is the same way I'm leaning. Lynch/Portis is a 'solid' beginning, but you really need to 'hit' on WRs late to be able to be considered a championship-caliber team (IMO!). The two of them should provide a decent 'base' for points, but I like the prospects better of having a Moss/TO or a TO/Wayne who could BLOW UP each week, and then try and hit on one of the 'value RBs' later rounds.

 

[bocksheesh]

I tend to believe that if you start out your team with Marshawn Lynch and Clinton Portis, you are destined to be decent but not great.Both of those guys are very good RB2s and not great RB1s. Just by virtue of their offensive systems, relative health concerns, and relative scoring potential, I don't see a high upside with either guy. I'm drafting from the #12 spot, and am leaning very heavily towards going WR/WR, and getting two studs. That's a team that is at least scary and has a chance at going the distance.But building your team around two good not great RBs seems like a safe but not long-term effective strategy.

This is the same way I'm leaning. Lynch/Portis is a 'solid' beginning, but you really need to 'hit' on WRs late to be able to be considered a championship-caliber team (IMO!). The two of them should provide a decent 'base' for points, but I like the prospects better of having a Moss/TO or a TO/Wayne who could BLOW UP each week, and then try and hit on one of the 'value RBs' later rounds.

The distinction I make in talking about Portis/Lynch vs. WR/WR is that IF there were a RB with some real upside who slid down to me, I'd consider taking them. That would be like a Frank Gore or Marion Barber.Now, I don't think either will fall to me at #12, but you never know.But with a Gore or MBIII, you at least have some serious upside with either RB. They both have their flaws to be sure. But there's real upside. With Portis or Lynch, that upside doesn't really seem to exist.I'd rather bank on the explosive upside of a TO/Wayne/Moss than a Lynch or Portis.But it is a strategy fraught with risk. There may be just total garbage there for you with your 3rd and 4th round picks. That is a real possibility.

 

[lukiedookie]

depends. At that point, in the 3rd and 4th, if its just garbage at RB...do you consider WR3 and QB? If you are in PPR, and can get a top 5 QB there...you are JACKED at WR and have a decent QB.

I think there is a slight genious to the WR WR picks at the turn, depending upon your league. In my redraft, when I go WR WR, there is going to be a monumental run on WR's. Its all about knowing the league. I think the entire league, in this instance, feels you must have strong WR's to win. If I set the bar at 12, 13, I think there will be a ton of RB talent left at 3.12, 4.1.

It all depends really. If someone jumps at the studs in the first round, I think the 12 spot has the potential to be steady, but not great.

 

[Hue G]

I tend to believe that if you start out your team with Marshawn Lynch and Clinton Portis, you are destined to be decent but not great.Both of those guys are very good RB2s and not great RB1s. Just by virtue of their offensive systems, relative health concerns, and relative scoring potential, I don't see a high upside with either guy. I'm drafting from the #12 spot, and am leaning very heavily towards going WR/WR, and getting two studs. That's a team that is at least scary and has a chance at going the distance.But building your team around two good not great RBs seems like a safe but not long-term effective strategy.

This is the same way I'm leaning. Lynch/Portis is a 'solid' beginning, but you really need to 'hit' on WRs late to be able to be considered a championship-caliber team (IMO!). The two of them should provide a decent 'base' for points, but I like the prospects better of having a Moss/TO or a TO/Wayne who could BLOW UP each week, and then try and hit on one of the 'value RBs' later rounds.

Good luck getting Moss at #12, and depending on the league TO too.at the 12 spot I would go RB/WR because if you don't you're going to scramble the entire draft to get RBs that are even decent starters. Last year in a 12 team league I had Moss/TO/and Edwards as my 3 WRs (start 3) on top of that I had Witten as my TE and I was solid at QB with Hasselbeck as my starter I scored the most points in the league but I barley made the playoffs and lost in the first round because Moss, TO, Edwards and even Witten would blow up some weeks and others do nothing. My RBs were Maroney Brandon Jacobs I picked up Kolby Smith and had D Foster so they were crap and I had no consistant base of points. My point is you need at least one and probably two consistant RBs to win a league in most cases, I don't care how good you are in other positions now I'm not advocating taking 2 RBs at the 12 spot but I would definitly not take 2 WRs even if Moss and TO are both there though I highly doubt they will both be there. Sure TO and Wayne would be a great 1 -2 punch at WR but to have to put up with Maroney and Turner as your starting RBs just isn't worth it.

 

[bocksheesh]

Good luck getting Moss at #12, and depending on the league TO too.at the 12 spot I would go RB/WR because if you don't you're going to scramble the entire draft to get RBs that are even decent starters. Last year in a 12 team league I had Moss/TO/and Edwards as my 3 WRs (start 3) on top of that I had Witten as my TE and I was solid at QB with Hasselbeck as my starter I scored the most points in the league but I barley made the playoffs and lost in the first round because Moss, TO, Edwards and even Witten would blow up some weeks and others do nothing. My RBs were Maroney Brandon Jacobs I picked up Kolby Smith and had D Foster so they were crap and I had no consistant base of points. My point is you need at least one and probably two consistant RBs to win a league in most cases, I don't care how good you are in other positions now I'm not advocating taking 2 RBs at the 12 spot but I would definitly not take 2 WRs even if Moss and TO are both there though I highly doubt they will both be there. Sure TO and Wayne would be a great 1 -2 punch at WR but to have to put up with Maroney and Turner as your starting RBs just isn't worth it.

I think that's a totally fair assessment. My hope is that one of Gore or Barber fall to me at #12 in which case I'd take them, and then draft a TO/Wayne/Edwards. If none of those RBs are there, do I really use a high pick on a Portis or Lynch? I'm just not sold.The player that I'm only now coming around to is Larry Johnson. VERY high risk pick there, but if he gets back to even 75% of where he was and I pair him with a stud WR, my draft can get pretty interesting.But I'm still very torn. Tough call.

 

[RustyFA2]

I am in a 14 team redraft with the 12th pick. Non PPR and only start 2 WRs. QBs and RBs are golden apparrently. I am sharing a team. This is a new league but there is a 2 guy keeper league that my co-owner has been in for 10+ years with 12 of the 14 owners. RB and QB crazy. I am hoping for LJ/Portis/Lynch and Reg Bush/MaGahee and then Steve Smith and Brandon Marshall. Hope it happens. Draft is tommorow night.

 

[s_ezy]

drafted from the 12/13 turn in a PPR league

1. LT

2. Westy

3. ADP

4. Addai

5. SJax

6. Gore

7. Barber

8. Portis

9. Brady

10. TO

11. Lynch

12. Moss

13. Fitzgerald

best RBs available were mcfadden, thomas jones and parker

36. Chad Johnson

37. Kellen Winlsow

the end result:

Gerrard/ A. Rodgers

Ronnie Brown / Ricky Williams

Edge

Moss

Fitz

Ocho Cinco

Winslow

Josh Brown

Buff/ Saints

Norwood

Rice

Faulk

Heap

Byrant Johnson

 

[lukiedookie]

interested to know what QB's were available at the 3/4

 

[notoriousbob]

interested to know what QB's were available at the 3/4

In my league, not much. Brady, Romo, Brees, Manning all gone by the end of the 2nd. Palmer and BigBen taken somewhere in the 3rd. McNabb was the next taken at 5.01

 

[s_ezy]

interested to know what QB's were available at the 3/4

in mine the ones off the board were:brady, peyton, romo and brees

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

interested to know what QB's were available at the 3/4

Top 4 plus Palmer all taken in the first three rounds. Ben went in the 5th, McNabb in the 6th

 

[KevT]

One of my drafts where I draft 12th just got done., all TDs 6 points. This is the first draft that I've chosen a QB before round five in around 6 years. I just made up my mind that if TO fell to me then Romo was also mine. Picks below in order they were drafted.

TO

Romo

Lewis

S Holmes

Graham

Harrison <-- seriously wtf, I'm happy though, people forgot about him in my league, I guess

Ricky Williams

Minnesota

Crumpler

Rivers

McAllister

Darrell Jackson

Folk

Rudi Johnson

Chris Henry

Anyway that's how I ended for anyone that cares. 12th gives you a lot of fun options. With the depth this year, I would recommend going WR/WR, unless someone falls that you can't pass up. As for my Romo pick, I know it's bad, but it was an "enjoyment pick." I also knew from my league's somewhat long history that guys that shouldn't fall would fall. I was the first to take a Defense and kicker, first time for me. Usually use defense by committee, but since I felt like my team was "stacked" at other positions I thought why not draft one of the top.

Anyway, I just posted my team for others to get some idea of their options, I don't care for any opinions on my team. I have one more 12th pick team to do, hopefully TO drops again.

 

[Hue G]

One of my drafts where I draft 12th just got done., all TDs 6 points. This is the first draft that I've chosen a QB before round five in around 6 years. I just made up my mind that if TO fell to me then Romo was also mine. Picks below in order they were drafted.TORomoLewisS HolmesGrahamHarrison <-- seriously wtf, I'm happy though, people forgot about him in my league, I guessRicky WilliamsMinnesota CrumplerRiversMcAllisterDarrell JacksonFolkRudi JohnsonChris HenryAnyway that's how I ended for anyone that cares. 12th gives you a lot of fun options. With the depth this year, I would recommend going WR/WR, unless someone falls that you can't pass up. As for my Romo pick, I know it's bad, but it was an "enjoyment pick." I also knew from my league's somewhat long history that guys that shouldn't fall would fall. I was the first to take a Defense and kicker, first time for me. Usually use defense by committee, but since I felt like my team was "stacked" at other positions I thought why not draft one of the top.Anyway, I just posted my team for others to get some idea of their options, I don't care for any opinions on my team. I have one more 12th pick team to do, hopefully TO drops again.

For drafting a QB/WR at the turn you ended up with decent RBs but I just don't see Jamal Lewis lasting until the end of the 3rd round in most 12 team leagues or Graham lasting until the end of the 5th. I've had 2 drafts thus far and neither have fallen that far, I think you get pretty lucky!

 

[Toomuchnv]

Obviously depends on draft flow, but wr wr looks solid at the turn. Been a part of many mocks...and the rbs in round 3-6 are respectable. Considering you take 3-4rbs building depth and taking out insurance with some rb fliers later. Your team ends up being very balanced.

Just drafted 12th in my league..starting lineup is 1-qb, 2-rb, 2-wr, 1-wr/te, 1-te, 1-k, 1-def.....its 1 point per reception...here is how my draft went:1.T.O., 2. Fitzgerald, 3. R.Bush, 4. Calvin Johnson, 5. R.White, 6. D.McFadden, etc..So my roster looks like this going wr/wr/rb/wr in first 4 rounds:QB-J.CutlerRB-R.BushRB-D.McFaddenWR-T.OwensWR.FitzgeraldWR-Calv.JohnsonTE-Owen Danielspk-J.ScobeeDef-Jaguarsbench-RB Fred Taylorbench-RB Chris Johnson bench-RB Chris Perrybench-WR Roddy Whitebench-WR Javon Walkerbench-TE L.J. Smithbench-QB John KitnaOverall I am really pleased with this team when I compared it to the other teams in the league....I think in a ppr league starting 3 wr's and 2 rb's WR/WR had to be the way to go. I was really happy that the first 10 picks of the draft were rb's, brady and manning.....that made my decision even easier....Moss went 11th or I would have ended up with Moss/Owens with the 12th and 13th pick....

 

[Meat]

Obviously depends on draft flow, but wr wr looks solid at the turn. Been a part of many mocks...and the rbs in round 3-6 are respectable. Considering you take 3-4rbs building depth and taking out insurance with some rb fliers later. Your team ends up being very balanced.

Just drafted 12th in my league..starting lineup is 1-qb, 2-rb, 2-wr, 1-wr/te, 1-te, 1-k, 1-def.....its 1 point per reception...here is how my draft went:1.T.O., 2. Fitzgerald, 3. R.Bush, 4. Calvin Johnson, 5. R.White, 6. D.McFadden, etc..So my roster looks like this going wr/wr/rb/wr in first 4 rounds:QB-J.CutlerRB-R.BushRB-D.McFaddenWR-T.OwensWR.FitzgeraldWR-Calv.JohnsonTE-Owen Danielspk-J.ScobeeDef-Jaguarsbench-RB Fred Taylorbench-RB Chris Johnson bench-RB Chris Perrybench-WR Roddy Whitebench-WR Javon Walkerbench-TE L.J. Smithbench-QB John KitnaOverall I am really pleased with this team when I compared it to the other teams in the league....I think in a ppr league starting 3 wr's and 2 rb's WR/WR had to be the way to go. I was really happy that the first 10 picks of the draft were rb's, brady and manning.....that made my decision even easier....Moss went 11th or I would have ended up with Moss/Owens with the 12th and 13th pick....

Wow - I'd be absolutely ecstatic if I could walk away with this team in my draft Sunday (14-teamer though). Reggie is the key there - you're talking what should be a top 10 PPR back, plus the updside of McFadden with absolute STUD Wrs? Very, very nice.

 

[lukiedookie]

Here's what I ended up with at 12...

05.12 QB6 Ben Roethlisberger

13.12 QB18 Jason Campbell

04.01 RB4 Darren McFadden

03.12 RB17 Reggie Bush

06.01 RB21 Edgerrin James

08.01 RB26 Jonathan Stewart

12.01 RB37 Justin Fargas

16.01 RB46 Deuce McAllister

01.12 WR2 Terrell Owens

02.01 WR3 Reggie Wayne

07.12 WR21 Dwayne Bowe

10.01 WR36 Reggie Brown

09.12 TE8 Owen Daniels

15.12 TE10 Todd Heap

14.01 PK1 Nick Folk

11.12 DEF3 New England

 

[Meat]

Here's what I ended up with - Jury is out, I'm happy with my WRs/QB/TE/Def, but my RB2 spot could be/will be a challenge all year long: 14 team, PPR. All TDs 6 points.

Warner, Kurt QB ARI

Portis, Clinton RB WAS

Smith, Kevin RB DET

Fitzgerald, Larry WR ARI

Johnson, Calvin WR DET

Cotchery, Jerricho WR NYJ

Witten, Jason TE DAL

Brown, Kris K HOU

Steelers DST HOU

Cutler, Jay QB DEN

Betts, Ladell RB WAS

Johnson, Chris RB TEN

Washington, Leon RB NYJ

Hardy, James WR BUF

Robinson, Laurent WR ATL

 

[Old Redskin]

I had the 11th pick overall in a 12 team redraft, but employed the WR/WR/RB/RB strategy that has paid off for me in the past. Considering the number of teams that are turning to RBBC, my thought this year was that some decent RB talent would be available in Rounds 3-5. Based on the roster below, you can see that I have a weak RB corps, but I may be able to correct that by trading away some WR talent mid-year. I'm hoping the Farve-Cotchery connection gets white hot really quick!

Had I gone RB/RB/WR/WR, I would have ended up with something like Portis/Jones-Drew/Holt/Welker.

Good luck.

 

[bocksheesh]

After seeing how some drafts have gone from the #12 spot, would you rather draft from #7 or #12?

I have the #12 pick and entertaining the idea of swapping picks. Though I had settled into some level of comfort drafting from #12.

 

[gman74]

Here's what I ended up with - Jury is out, I'm happy with my WRs/QB/TE/Def, but my RB2 spot could be/will be a challenge all year long: 14 team, PPR. All TDs 6 points.Warner, Kurt QB ARI Portis, Clinton RB WAS Smith, Kevin RB DET Fitzgerald, Larry WR ARI Johnson, Calvin WR DET Cotchery, Jerricho WR NYJ Witten, Jason TE DAL Brown, Kris K HOU Steelers DST HOU Cutler, Jay QB DEN Betts, Ladell RB WAS Johnson, Chris RB TENWashington, Leon RB NYJHardy, James WR BUFRobinson, Laurent WR ATL

Ouch what were you thinking at RB

 

[Meat]

Here's what I ended up with - Jury is out, I'm happy with my WRs/QB/TE/Def, but my RB2 spot could be/will be a challenge all year long: 14 team, PPR. All TDs 6 points.Warner, Kurt QB ARI Portis, Clinton RB WAS Smith, Kevin RB DET Fitzgerald, Larry WR ARI Johnson, Calvin WR DET Cotchery, Jerricho WR NYJ Witten, Jason TE DAL Brown, Kris K HOU Steelers DST HOU Cutler, Jay QB DEN Betts, Ladell RB WAS Johnson, Chris RB TENWashington, Leon RB NYJHardy, James WR BUFRobinson, Laurent WR ATL

Ouch what were you thinking at RB

RBs actually flew off the board even faster than anticipated, 3rd round saw: Turner/Willie/LenDale/Thomas Jones/Maroney/Forte and a few others at the beginning of the round after a run on WR in the 2nd. At my pick I figured at least Smith had a starting job, so I plucked him and then got Johnson on the turn. Rough.

 

[favrefan1062]

Just got done with a 14 team ppr draft at the 12 spot. We start 1 qb, 2 rb, 3 wr/te, 1 flex, 1k, 2idp. Bonus points for distance touchdowns.

I went Wr wr wr rb qb wr rb rb rb ..etc....My team, in order of draft, looks like this...

Randy Moss

Reggie Wayne

Torry Holt

Willis Mcgahee (couldn't believe he lasted this long)

Brett Favre

Santana Moss

Ronnie Brown (Smoke on Ricky)

Deuce McCallister

Jerius Norwood

I also grabbed Leon Washington and Kevin Jones later

I'm weak at running back but knew I would be with this strategy. McGahee was a gift and if one of the other's can get some touches, I'll be Ok. Qb's go fast (Brady, Romo, Manning gone before my 1st pick and Brees at 14) as there is no differential between passing tds or rush/rec td's. (6 with bonus for distance) Gore and LJ were left at 12 for me but I thought I had more value with Wr's. Had to grab Favre at my fifth pick or else live with Eli, Kitna or Hassleback(Nobody to throw to).

All things considered, 12 was not a bad place to draft from. Many options are available. With our scoring format it worked out better being on the tail end.

 

[Aussie Cowboy]

Drafted from the 12 spot in a Phenoms League earlier today. I wasn't happy when I saw that I'd drawn this spot in a "non-PPR" league, but I thought I'd have some fun with it anyway.

I've done a bunch of money leagues over the past few days, and I thought I'd try something different in this one, as it was my last draft for the year, and I was getting a little bored. I decided to open up WR/WR (even though I knew it wasn't a good policy in non-PPR league) and see what I wound up with.

A couple of thoughts/mistakes.....

Taking Kevin Smith/Rudi Johnson back-to-back at 7.12/8.01 probably wasn't that smart, but I was scrambling for a starting RB here, and hopefully one of them will emerge.

I was disappointed to wind up with Bulger as my backup QB as I don't like him much this year. However, I missed the run on QB's and he was pretty much all that was left. I would have been ok with Warner, but even he went before Bulger.

I think this team would have looked much better in a PPR format, but I'm ok with the results.

This is what I wound up with....1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 PK, 1 DEF standard scoring.

1.12 - Terrell Owens

2.01 - Reggie Wayne

3.12 - Anquan Boldin

4.01 - Brandon Jacobs

5.12 - Chris Perry

6.01 - Tony Gonzalez

7.12 - Kevin Smith

8.01 - Rudi Johnson

9.12 - Jake Delhomme

10.01 - Steve Slaton

11.12 - Marc Bulger

12.01 - Vincent Jackson

13.12 - Ravens D

14.01 - Giants D

15.12 - Eddie Royal

16.01 - Adam Vinatieri

17.12 - Anthony Fasano

18.01 - Lamont Jordan