16 Team League QB Strategy (1 Viewer)

[NCPanthersFan]

Searched and found this but it was locked:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/325718-question-on-a-16-team-league/

Similar scenario; my league is bumping from 12 to 16 teams and adding a 2 QB roster limit.

My question is around strategy though. How comfortable are you waiting beyond QB12 to grab a pair in a 6pt TD league? The last two years I have been streaming. That will not be the case this year.

Thanks!

 

[Hawkeye21]

In a 2 QB league with that many teams I think you need to take a QB in round one. Everyone is going to be picking up QBs early and often. I don't see how it would be at all possible to stream QBs in this format. Every team is going to have two QBs so that takes up 32 of them. Most teams are going to carry a third so there will not be any available on the waiver wire.

Whoever has the first few picks have a significant advantage being able to take Luck and Rodgers. They have the luxury of getting one of those two QBs and then being able to take a great RB or WR with the second or third. I'm not sure I'd enjoy this format as some teams are going to have some major advantages based on draft position.

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

In a 2 QB league with that many teams I think you need to take a QB in round one. Everyone is going to be picking up QBs early and often. I don't see how it would be at all possible to stream QBs in this format. Every team is going to have two QBs so that takes up 32 of them. Most teams are going to carry a third so there will not be any available on the waiver wire.

Whoever has the first few picks have a significant advantage being able to take Luck and Rodgers. They have the luxury of getting one of those two QBs and then being able to take a great RB or WR with the second or third. I'm not sure I'd enjoy this format as some teams are going to have some major advantages based on draft position.

Yes you can wait a little bit but end up with a solid starter in the 13-18 range and get your backup before the uncontested guys are gone. Everyone will end up with 2 QBs but just don't be the guy deciding who starts in CLE, BUF, HOU or even NYJ and PHI.

The OP indicated there is a 2 QB limit so no one will have a 3rd. It is not a start 2QB league. Basically if you like to wait on QB1 you will be fine just get your backup a little sooner than normal.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'd be scared to draw 15 or 16th pick in the draft. By the time my first pick is up, the QB pool is already so watered down the QB's I'm looking at are not ordered in any consensus rank. It becomes a crapshoot after the elite tier and solid QB1 tier. And in a 6 pt per TD format that's a huge disadvantage. The only way I'd even consider such a league is if you made it a 4 pt per TD league, and bumped position players to PPR.

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

I doubt more than 8 of the first 16 picks will be QB. Again this is not a start 2QB league. The 6 pts for passing TDs does put a premium on the top guys.

 

[Shutout]

I play in several 16 team leagues and it may just be coincidence, but the past 5 years (at least), every single league has been dominated by the elite QB teams playing in the title games.

Maybe it is because the leagues are balanced and the leagues are so large that the talent is spread well but the teams with Luck, Rodgers, Brees, etc are consistently rising to the top. I can't remember the last time the guy with "Calvin and Aj Green" but only had Alex Smith made any noise.

 

[Hawkeye21]

My bad. Was thinking they were starting 2 QBs. That changes everything.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Searched and found this but it was locked:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/325718-question-on-a-16-team-league/

Similar scenario; my league is bumping from 12 to 16 teams and adding a 2 QB roster limit.

My question is around strategy though. How comfortable are you waiting beyond QB12 to grab a pair in a 6pt TD league? The last two years I have been streaming. That will not be the case this year.

Thanks!

You just start 1.

But Id be concerned without a top 12 from my list.

More concerned then missing on the top 12-14 TEs.

Or WRs 33-45 (if you start 3).

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'd be scared to draw 15 or 16th pick in the draft. By the time my first pick is up, the QB pool is already so watered down the QB's I'm looking at are not ordered in any consensus rank. It becomes a crapshoot after the elite tier and solid QB1 tier. And in a 6 pt per TD format that's a huge disadvantage. The only way I'd even consider such a league is if you made it a 4 pt per TD league, and bumped position players to PPR.

Banzai Method.

 

[nittanylion]

I've played several seasons of 16-Team FF, and personally, with the exception of the Survivor Leagues in the MDRU Forum, I have never, and I would never, participate in a 16-Teamer unless it dispersed players via an Auction Draft...

NCPanthersFan, I know you're already making a big change bumping to 16 Teams from 12 and going to this 2 QB per roster limit thing, and I know it's already July 23, and your draft is likely right around the corner, but I'd strongly encourage you to bring this idea to your League's attention. I don't know if you're playing for money, and I don't know how many of your League mates have prior experience with 16-Team Leagues, but a 16-Team standard serpentine draft is, at least in my opinion, a recipe for a lot of potential problems. with the Player Pool being spread so thinly. An auction allows every Team to put their own unique stamp on their Team, building it in whatever image and likeness they choose, and reduces the 'luck factor' that results from such wide swings from 1-16 back to 1. Even though it's a 'roster 2', and not a 'start 2' QB League, I think it's likely that in a 16-Team serpentine draft, the value of average to below average QB is going to inflate ADP moreso than it will in an auction. The last thing you want is a cloud hanging over your season (a cloud of disconcerted Owners), and I think it's been pretty well documented here over the years, a potential scenario where, coming out of a 16-Team serpentine draft, having a group of unhappy Owners that feel like they have less of a chance of winning, right out of the gate, because of the mechanics in relation to the Player Pool.

There's plenty of info on the site here about auctions, so you'd have no trouble at least putting that info in front of your League mates for consideration. It's just my 'one man's opinion' but I think an auction is a much more optimal way of distributing players fairly, and reducing the luck factor, for a 16-Team League.

Good luck, man!

 

[Arodin]

Another alternative to going from snake to auction is to go to a 2-conference model, and play as essentially two 8-team leagues. Each league drafts from its own player pool. Have a shorter season, and elongated playoffs. Crown each league's champion by week 15, and have a Super Bowl between the two league champs.

Yes it's possible that there will be some players in common between the two league champs, but surely not enough to prevent an overall champ from being crowned, and you remove all difficulties with there not being enough at a position (like QB) to go around.

The risk you'll have with the 16-team, 2-QB roster limit is how to deal with injuries. If your QB is hurt, you're now unable to roster his backup without cutting your fantasy backup.

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

Another alternative to going from snake to auction is to go to a 2-conference model, and play as essentially two 8-team leagues. Each league drafts from its own player pool. Have a shorter season, and elongated playoffs. Crown each league's champion by week 15, and have a Super Bowl between the two league champs.

Yes it's possible that there will be some players in common between the two league champs, but surely not enough to prevent an overall champ from being crowned, and you remove all difficulties with there not being enough at a position (like QB) to go around.

The risk you'll have with the 16-team, 2-QB roster limit is how to deal with injuries. If your QB is hurt, you're now unable to roster his backup without cutting your fantasy backup.

Or go with Team QB

 

[Chapelboy]

I play in several 16 team leagues and it may just be coincidence, but the past 5 years (at least), every single league has been dominated by the elite QB teams playing in the title games.

Maybe it is because the leagues are balanced and the leagues are so large that the talent is spread well but the teams with Luck, Rodgers, Brees, etc are consistently rising to the top. I can't remember the last time the guy with "Calvin and Aj Green" but only had Alex Smith made any noise.

Just like the NFL...Wilson maybe the exception

 

[FUBAR]

If a top QB becomes a value, go for it. in my 16 team leagues (two leagues are 32 teams but players available twice), I'd be okay with Tannehill, Rivers or Brady - so top 14.

 

[bostonfred]

Lacy

bell

Peterson

lynch

Charles

foster

mccoy

If you can get one of these guys you have a huge advantage over the guys taking rb32 and not even knowing if their guy's going to start for his own nfl team. If you get two of these guys you could literally triple the rb production from some of the teams in the league. I know people put Murray, forte, Anderson, hill, forsett and some others in that tier, The qb you get in the 7th round will be startable. The rb they get won't.

Receiver is really deep. Third and fourth round receivers like sanders, Hopkins, cooks and Benjamin could all easily be low end wr1s. If you get a wr1 and rb1 in the first two rounds, I'd still load up at wr here - the backs available in this tier are in the same general tier as guys in the fifth.

In the 5th/6th, i'd target Blount, vereen and gio if you still need rb2 help. And you can probably even get a te here if there's an established starter around.

Then at qb you're "stuck" with guys like Brady, Stafford, Eli, tannehill and rivers. All of those guys can be quality qb1s. Brady was an elite qb after a slow start last year. Stafford had a down year, but that probably had more to do with Calvin being hurt than anything. He was top 5 every year before that. Eli with obj and a healthy cruz should be right up there too. Rivers was great until the injury. And tannehill is emerging into that tier too. I'd wait as long as I could to lock up one of those guys - if there are two guys who need a qb between you and your next pick and you like three of those guys then just wait and wait as long as possible and punish those early luck drafters.

 

[Shutout]

Lacy

bell

Peterson

lynch

Charles

foster

mccoy

If you can get one of these guys you have a huge advantage over the guys taking rb32 and not even knowing if their guy's going to start for his own nfl team. If you get two of these guys you could literally triple the rb production from some of the teams in the league. I know people put Murray, forte, Anderson, hill, forsett and some others in that tier, The qb you get in the 7th round will be startable. The rb they get won't.

Receiver is really deep. Third and fourth round receivers like sanders, Hopkins, cooks and Benjamin could all easily be low end wr1s. If you get a wr1 and rb1 in the first two rounds, I'd still load up at wr here - the backs available in this tier are in the same general tier as guys in the fifth.

In the 5th/6th, i'd target Blount, vereen and gio if you still need rb2 help. And you can probably even get a te here if there's an established starter around.

Then at qb you're "stuck" with guys like Brady, Stafford, Eli, tannehill and rivers. All of those guys can be quality qb1s. Brady was an elite qb after a slow start last year. Stafford had a down year, but that probably had more to do with Calvin being hurt than anything. He was top 5 every year before that. Eli with obj and a healthy cruz should be right up there too. Rivers was great until the injury. And tannehill is emerging into that tier too. I'd wait as long as I could to lock up one of those guys - if there are two guys who need a qb between you and your next pick and you like three of those guys then just wait and wait as long as possible and punish those early luck drafters.

Rivers might be a really sneaky value pick this year. People remembering the injury if it hurt their teams last year and looking at Gates not being there initially might pass on him more than usual. But I would still "settle" for him if I were waiting on a QB.

 

[FUBAR]

Lacy

bell

Peterson

lynch

Charles

foster

mccoy

If you can get one of these guys you have a huge advantage over the guys taking rb32 and not even knowing if their guy's going to start for his own nfl team. If you get two of these guys you could literally triple the rb production from some of the teams in the league. I know people put Murray, forte, Anderson, hill, forsett and some others in that tier, The qb you get in the 7th round will be startable. The rb they get won't.

Receiver is really deep. Third and fourth round receivers like sanders, Hopkins, cooks and Benjamin could all easily be low end wr1s. If you get a wr1 and rb1 in the first two rounds, I'd still load up at wr here - the backs available in this tier are in the same general tier as guys in the fifth.

In the 5th/6th, i'd target Blount, vereen and gio if you still need rb2 help. And you can probably even get a te here if there's an established starter around.

Then at qb you're "stuck" with guys like Brady, Stafford, Eli, tannehill and rivers. All of those guys can be quality qb1s. Brady was an elite qb after a slow start last year. Stafford had a down year, but that probably had more to do with Calvin being hurt than anything. He was top 5 every year before that. Eli with obj and a healthy cruz should be right up there too. Rivers was great until the injury. And tannehill is emerging into that tier too. I'd wait as long as I could to lock up one of those guys - if there are two guys who need a qb between you and your next pick and you like three of those guys then just wait and wait as long as possible and punish those early luck drafters.

Rivers might be a really sneaky value pick this year. People remembering the injury if it hurt their teams last year and looking at Gates not being there initially might pass on him more than usual. But I would still "settle" for him if I were waiting on a QB.

Worst case scenario, you might get stuck with Flacco/Eli/Bridgewater/Kap if you're the last team to take a QB. While there's a large gap Rodgers to Flacco, it seems less than Charles-who knows?

 

[frigid5]

Any thoughts on using a third round reversal for a 16 team dynasty start-up draft?

 

[nittanylion]

Any thoughts on using a third round reversal for a 16 team dynasty start-up draft?

Hey frigid, It's been discussed ad nauseam here in the Pool over the past several years that the most effective and 'fair' way to initially distribute Players for a larger (greater than 12 Teams) Dynasty League is to do so via Auction Draft. I know it's late July, and your Draft is probably just around the corner, so there may not be time to get your League-mates on board with the idea, but if you're willing to try, there's a TON of info available here to make it easier and more convenient. If you're interested, and having trouble finding the resources you need, I and others will be happy to help you find what you need to both support the idea, and conduct your Auction easily. Give it some serious consideration. I don't think you'll regret it.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Any thoughts on using a third round reversal for a 16 team dynasty start-up draft?

Do this. You'll love it.

Banzai Method. Don't do an auction.

 

[Freelove]

Lacy

bell

Peterson

lynch

Charles

foster

mccoy

If you can get one of these guys you have a huge advantage over the guys taking rb32 and not even knowing if their guy's going to start for his own nfl team. If you get two of these guys you could literally triple the rb production from some of the teams in the league. I know people put Murray, forte, Anderson, hill, forsett and some others in that tier, The qb you get in the 7th round will be startable. The rb they get won't.

Receiver is really deep. Third and fourth round receivers like sanders, Hopkins, cooks and Benjamin could all easily be low end wr1s. If you get a wr1 and rb1 in the first two rounds, I'd still load up at wr here - the backs available in this tier are in the same general tier as guys in the fifth.

In the 5th/6th, i'd target Blount, vereen and gio if you still need rb2 help. And you can probably even get a te here if there's an established starter around.

Then at qb you're "stuck" with guys like Brady, Stafford, Eli, tannehill and rivers. All of those guys can be quality qb1s. Brady was an elite qb after a slow start last year. Stafford had a down year, but that probably had more to do with Calvin being hurt than anything. He was top 5 every year before that. Eli with obj and a healthy cruz should be right up there too. Rivers was great until the injury. And tannehill is emerging into that tier too. I'd wait as long as I could to lock up one of those guys - if there are two guys who need a qb between you and your next pick and you like three of those guys then just wait and wait as long as possible and punish those early luck drafters.

Everything here is pie in the sky in a 16 teamer.

If you target QB's in the 7th, even with a 2 QB/team limit, you're looking at Geno and Bortles. If, somehow, other QB's above the dreg tier drop that far, then strategy becomes an afterthought, because you're playing with profound idiots. Brady, Eli, Rivers et al will be several rounds gone by then. Just as that hopeful list of 5th/6th round RB's will be by that time. People should be and will be absolutely jamming their rosters with nothing but QB's and RB's the first several rounds, and as long as they do, they're going to absolutely annihilate anyone who pursues any different strategy, no matter how much "value" they think they're getting.

 

[burnall]

This is a perfect set up to dominate the league if everyone is going to go QB laugh and be happy. get Stud RBs early and often as they will be the most rare player (unless stud WR's fall then grab them obvously) stream your QB Smith, Smith, Rookies, ect will be your bread and butter play that match up!

 

[Raiderfan32904]

A team that has stud RB/RB or RB/WR in this type of alignment has zero chance against a team with stud QB/RB or stud QB/WR or even stud QB/QB2. The 6 points per TD is key. If you knock that down to 4 pts/TD, then that changes things.