1st time drafting a FLEX (1 Viewer)

[Judge Smails]

Now 1 QB, 2RB, 3 WR, 1 flex. Never drafted for flex before. Does this make RB even more valuable? Do you almost always play an RB in that flex spot vs. WR? Non PPR, standard scoring with all TD's worth 6 points.

 

[anakin]

In non-PPR, I would try to use a RB in the flex as the WRs will be rostered more heavily due to starting 3. That is if the QB isn't allowed as a flex.

 

[Captain Hook]

Now 1 QB, 2RB, 3 WR, 1 flex. Never drafted for flex before. Does this make RB even more valuable? Do you almost always play an RB in that flex spot vs. WR? Non PPR, standard scoring with all TD's worth 6 points.

You don't say what positions are eligible for the Flex spotBut if you look at the scoring for that league last year, you can compare the 25-31 ranked RBs with the 37-42 ranked WR, and some TE may be in those point ranges as well.Totally different ball game if you can flex a quarterback

 

[Judge Smails]

Now 1 QB, 2RB, 3 WR, 1 flex. Never drafted for flex before. Does this make RB even more valuable? Do you almost always play an RB in that flex spot vs. WR? Non PPR, standard scoring with all TD's worth 6 points.

You don't say what positions are eligible for the Flex spotBut if you look at the scoring for that league last year, you can compare the 25-31 ranked RBs with the 37-42 ranked WR, and some TE may be in those point ranges as well.Totally different ball game if you can flex a quarterback

Can't be a QB

 

[jon_mx]

I am not sure I would have a big preference going into the draft. It all depends on how the chips fall and everyone else drafts. If there is slim pickens on the RB when it is time to get an RB3, look at WR. If a top TE falls, pick up a good TE2. You just have to look at the RB3, WR4, and TE2 when you pick and evaluate which one you think will score more. Sometimes a league misses someone you are high on at RB. Most of the times RB are picked over, but you never know.

Just tier each of the positions, and if the tier you targeted is gone look at the other position.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Flex affects my draft strategy HUGE. I think it's one of the least talked about draft strats in all of fantasy football. Nine times out of 10, my opponents will draft their starting RB's WR's QB and sometimes even a TE before they take their flex. What that means is they're ending up with guy like a Jerome Simpson or Ced. Benson as their flex. All things being equal, I think that's a mistake. By your league's parameters I would go into the draft planning to go RB, RB, RB. Or at least RB, RB, WR, RB. A flex in the range of S. Green/Blount/Best would put you at an enormous advantage if you could "hit" on even 1-2 undervalued WR's.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

I am not sure I would have a big preference going into the draft. It all depends on how the chips fall and everyone else drafts. If there is slim pickens on the RB when it is time to get an RB3, look at WR. If a top TE falls, pick up a good TE2. You just have to look at the RB3, WR4, and TE2 when you pick and evaluate which one you think will score more. Sometimes a league misses someone you are high on at RB. Most of the times RB are picked over, but you never know. Just tier each of the positions, and if the tier you targeted is gone look at the other position.

Exactly. Don't over think this. Just take the best players that will fill out the line up.

 

[firstseason1988]

I am not sure I would have a big preference going into the draft. It all depends on how the chips fall and everyone else drafts. If there is slim pickens on the RB when it is time to get an RB3, look at WR. If a top TE falls, pick up a good TE2. You just have to look at the RB3, WR4, and TE2 when you pick and evaluate which one you think will score more. Sometimes a league misses someone you are high on at RB. Most of the times RB are picked over, but you never know. Just tier each of the positions, and if the tier you targeted is gone look at the other position.

Exactly. Don't over think this. Just take the best players that will fill out the line up.

Yes.Considering you can now start 3 rbs, it usually means RBs are more valuable especially in non ppr, but really just take the best player available at RB or WR in the early rounds, even if it is RB RB RB RB. I would expect RBs to go fast in that format.

 

[GregR]

To see how the flex should break out... remove the top 24 RBs and 36 WRs, dump the rest into excel and sort them by fantasy points. The top 12 are the ones who should be starting in the flex spot. You can count how many are RB and how many are WR then.

I think the flex does also add a little extra value to drafting RBs over what the above will show. If a RB and WR score about the same, I'd much rather have the RB as my flex player because it's normally harder to replace a RB than it is a WR if one goes down.

 

[Saint]

To see how the flex should break out... remove the top 24 RBs and 36 WRs, dump the rest into excel and sort them by fantasy points. The top 12 are the ones who should be starting in the flex spot. You can count how many are RB and how many are WR then.I think the flex does also add a little extra value to drafting RBs over what the above will show. If a RB and WR score about the same, I'd much rather have the RB as my flex player because it's normally harder to replace a RB than it is a WR if one goes down.

Agreed here. I look at best available at each turn in the draft. Don't be set on RB RB RB or you may miss out on a better value for WR in the long haul. Just draft the way you normally would but consider that you have another starting RB/WR in your lineup.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

In non-ppr, if it can't be a QB, grab at least 3 RB's in the first 6 rounds..

 

[Tornacl]

If people are starting to reach for RBs, then the value lies in other positions, usually WR. If you take the best value, your draft strategy doesn't need to change for any format. It doesn't matter where your points come from, just that you score more than your opponents.

I love it when people try to say that you have to draft RB, RB, RB, RB or WR, WR, WR, WR, or any other specific combination. There are lots of different ways to draft and win. There will always be players that end up being busts, and others that end up being steals. For example, last year if you drafted Foster in the 6th, McFadden in the 8th, Hillis in the 10th, Mike Williams (TB) in the 12th, and Vick at the end of the draft, you probably won your league - no matter what you did in the first 5 rounds.

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

 

[shortbow]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

 

[jon_mx]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

Points are points. I mopped up having having Manning and Harrison my first two picks the year Manning threw 48 TDs. Everybody else was going RB-RB, but picking 11th those were the players I viewed who would score the most points. Certainly if there is a particular player like Grant you see lots of value in, then that is a great flex pick, especially if he is still there late 5th. But you don't reach for him early 4th just to fit some preconceived requirement to have a RB as your flex.

 

[beerbarron]

Go Best Player Available.. fill the flex slot over the TE slot unless you are going after a top 3 TE...

 

[Tornacl]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

Points are points. I mopped up having having Manning and Harrison my first two picks the year Manning threw 48 TDs. Everybody else was going RB-RB, but picking 11th those were the players I viewed who would score the most points. Certainly if there is a particular player like Grant you see lots of value in, then that is a great flex pick, especially if he is still there late 5th. But you don't reach for him early 4th just to fit some preconceived requirement to have a RB as your flex.

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

Points are points. I mopped up having having Manning and Harrison my first two picks the year Manning threw 48 TDs. Everybody else was going RB-RB, but picking 11th those were the players I viewed who would score the most points. Certainly if there is a particular player like Grant you see lots of value in, then that is a great flex pick, especially if he is still there late 5th. But you don't reach for him early 4th just to fit some preconceived requirement to have a RB as your flex.

There are exceptions to everything. Of course you rocked it with Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison. I don't like to disregard very important positions simply because I expect my QB to have a record-breaking season.I'm not advocating reaching for players, and every draft is different. What I am saying is that if you do somethine like take a QB and 3 WRs before you take your first RB, you are probably not going to win a Non-PPR Flex league. Points are points, but if you start Fred Jackson, Reggie Bush, and Tim Hightower with no depth at RB, you are screwed unless you hit home runs elsewhere in the draft. I don't like to predicate my strategy on hitting home runs at every position but RB.

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

 

[Tornacl]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

So having to start a mediocre player is bad for your team? You don't say! Where do I subscribe for more of this insightful information?

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

So having to start a mediocre player is bad for your team? You don't say! Where do I subscribe for more of this insightful information?

Thanks for the adding to the discussion. You can get away with mediocre players at a lot of positions. The issue with having a bad RB at the Flex is that you're giving up a lot of points AND running backs have byes, get hurt, etc. So, a bad RB in the Flex is likely to lead to a bad RB2 a few weeks out of the year and an even worse Flex.

 

[shortbow]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

I guess you have insecurity problems, cant help you with that.Im saying with a Flex you should take the best available player in regards to the remaining player pool and rarely will a rb3 or 4 score enough to justify taking him ahead of your 2nd or 3rd WR and definitely not your first. There are plenty of RB4/5 that will put up RB3 points because the point drop off is so small once your outside of the RB1s and to a less extent RB2s. This happens with WRs but to a much less extent and there is more value in the WR position then you are leading on.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

The issue with having a bad RB at the Flex is that you're giving up a lot of points AND running backs have byes, get hurt, etc.

That's why you need a good RB at flex. They don't have byes and never get hurt.

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

I guess you have insecurity problems, cant help you with that.Im saying with a Flex you should take the best available player in regards to the remaining player pool and rarely will a rb3 or 4 score enough to justify taking him ahead of your 2nd or 3rd WR and definitely not your first. There are plenty of RB4/5 that will put up RB3 points because the point drop off is so small once your outside of the RB1s and to a less extent RB2s. This happens with WRs but to a much less extent and there is more value in the WR position then you are leading on.

If I wanted to get into a flamewar, I'd go back to FF Today. I thought this place was above that.In any event, you are again putting words in my mouth. I didn't say take RBs early. Not once. I said you need a good RB in the Flex. Can one be acquired in the 8th round? Yes.The point I made was that you are best positioned with a quality RB in the Flex, depth at RB, and more RBs in a Flex league. If you don't, then you'll be starting Malcom Floyd in the Flex and if you can't start a RB who gets more points than a Malcom Floyd, then you better pray you don't have any injuries at RB.Starting a WR who scores the same number of points as a Running Back in a non-PPR will cost you a MUCH higher draft pick. Which is another reason why you should be viewing the Flex position as a Running Back spot, and only for WRs in extenuating circumstances.I will do my best to stay away from this topic, and leave you with my innucuous but true original post.

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

 

[Tornacl]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

Wow, you changed your tune quite a bit there. In your earlier post you said that even a mediocre RB will outscore a "stud" WR. And that if you aren't starting a RB in the flex spot, odds are that you aren't built to win. Sounds like a pretty rigid philosophy to me.

 

[shortbow]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

I guess you have insecurity problems, cant help you with that.Im saying with a Flex you should take the best available player in regards to the remaining player pool and rarely will a rb3 or 4 score enough to justify taking him ahead of your 2nd or 3rd WR and definitely not your first. There are plenty of RB4/5 that will put up RB3 points because the point drop off is so small once your outside of the RB1s and to a less extent RB2s. This happens with WRs but to a much less extent and there is more value in the WR position then you are leading on.

If I wanted to get into a flamewar, I'd go back to FF Today. I thought this place was above that.In any event, you are again putting words in my mouth. I didn't say take RBs early. Not once. I said you need a good RB in the Flex. Can one be acquired in the 8th round? Yes.The point I made was that you are best positioned with a quality RB in the Flex, depth at RB, and more RBs in a Flex league. If you don't, then you'll be starting Malcom Floyd in the Flex and if you can't start a RB who gets more points than a Malcom Floyd, then you better pray you don't have any injuries at RB.Starting a WR who scores the same number of points as a Running Back in a non-PPR will cost you a MUCH higher draft pick. Which is another reason why you should be viewing the Flex position as a Running Back spot, and only for WRs in extenuating circumstances.I will do my best to stay away from this topic, and leave you with my innucuous but true original post.

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

Im trying really hard to figure out where you come up with your specific examples.

 

[FantasyTrader]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

I guess you have insecurity problems, cant help you with that.Im saying with a Flex you should take the best available player in regards to the remaining player pool and rarely will a rb3 or 4 score enough to justify taking him ahead of your 2nd or 3rd WR and definitely not your first. There are plenty of RB4/5 that will put up RB3 points because the point drop off is so small once your outside of the RB1s and to a less extent RB2s. This happens with WRs but to a much less extent and there is more value in the WR position then you are leading on.

Sure he will. Often times. It's not nearly as simple as saying your RB3 won't score as much as your #2 WR, therefore it's silly to think about going RBRBRB. The key is comparing what you think that player will score relative to his peers. And sometimes the best value means selecting a flex VERY early in your draft.

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

Wow, you changed your tune quite a bit there. In your earlier post you said that even a mediocre RB will outscore a "stud" WR. And that if you aren't starting a RB in the flex spot, odds are that you aren't built to win. Sounds like a pretty rigid philosophy to me.

No, I haven't changed my tune at all.I said "a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant would outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson." Let's look at the numbers. In DeSean Jackson's 2 seasons as a starter, he averaged 10.8 points per game. In Ryan Grant's 2 seasons as a starter, he has averaged 11.7 points per game. Looks to me like you can expect more points from a player going 3 or more rounds later than DeSean Jackson. The difference is even more dramatic when you move down the WR list.I never once said you can't win if you aren't starting a RB at Flex. I suggested that you probably aren't, and I stand by that. I'd love to see the rosters of some public high-stakes Flex, Non-PPR, 3 WR league champions and see what their rosters look like. If what you say is true, I shouldn't see any discernable trend among WRs and RBs. But, I'm willing to bet there is. As a starting point, here were the Flex players from the champion in my league with this same structure for the last 3 years. - 2007: Jamal Lewis (14.7 ppg, good enough for #3 WR overall)- 2008: Pierre Thomas (10.9 ppg, good enough for #9 WR overall)- 2009: Ricky Williams (13.5 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) - 2010: Darren McFadden (17.4 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) Those aren't huge names, but all 4 put up #1 WR numbers. That's more proof of the point I am making.

 

[Vicktimized]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

Wow, you changed your tune quite a bit there. In your earlier post you said that even a mediocre RB will outscore a "stud" WR. And that if you aren't starting a RB in the flex spot, odds are that you aren't built to win. Sounds like a pretty rigid philosophy to me.

No, I haven't changed my tune at all.I said "a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant would outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson." Let's look at the numbers. In DeSean Jackson's 2 seasons as a starter, he averaged 10.8 points per game. In Ryan Grant's 2 seasons as a starter, he has averaged 11.7 points per game. Looks to me like you can expect more points from a player going 3 or more rounds later than DeSean Jackson. The difference is even more dramatic when you move down the WR list.I never once said you can't win if you aren't starting a RB at Flex. I suggested that you probably aren't, and I stand by that. I'd love to see the rosters of some public high-stakes Flex, Non-PPR, 3 WR league champions and see what their rosters look like. If what you say is true, I shouldn't see any discernable trend among WRs and RBs. But, I'm willing to bet there is. As a starting point, here were the Flex players from the champion in my league with this same structure for the last 3 years. - 2007: Jamal Lewis (14.7 ppg, good enough for #3 WR overall)- 2008: Pierre Thomas (10.9 ppg, good enough for #9 WR overall)- 2009: Ricky Williams (13.5 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) - 2010: Darren McFadden (17.4 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) Those aren't huge names, but all 4 put up #1 WR numbers. That's more proof of the point I am making.

Agree with the premise, but for the sake of arguement ... was McFadden the guy's third best RB last year? Wow, if so ...

 

[Tornacl]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

Wow, you changed your tune quite a bit there. In your earlier post you said that even a mediocre RB will outscore a "stud" WR. And that if you aren't starting a RB in the flex spot, odds are that you aren't built to win. Sounds like a pretty rigid philosophy to me.

No, I haven't changed my tune at all.I said "a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant would outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson." Let's look at the numbers. In DeSean Jackson's 2 seasons as a starter, he averaged 10.8 points per game. In Ryan Grant's 2 seasons as a starter, he has averaged 11.7 points per game. Looks to me like you can expect more points from a player going 3 or more rounds later than DeSean Jackson. The difference is even more dramatic when you move down the WR list.I never once said you can't win if you aren't starting a RB at Flex. I suggested that you probably aren't, and I stand by that. I'd love to see the rosters of some public high-stakes Flex, Non-PPR, 3 WR league champions and see what their rosters look like. If what you say is true, I shouldn't see any discernable trend among WRs and RBs. But, I'm willing to bet there is. As a starting point, here were the Flex players from the champion in my league with this same structure for the last 3 years. - 2007: Jamal Lewis (14.7 ppg, good enough for #3 WR overall)- 2008: Pierre Thomas (10.9 ppg, good enough for #9 WR overall)- 2009: Ricky Williams (13.5 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) - 2010: Darren McFadden (17.4 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) Those aren't huge names, but all 4 put up #1 WR numbers. That's more proof of the point I am making.

Agree with the premise, but for the sake of arguement ... was McFadden the guy's third best RB last year? Wow, if so ...

So in other words, the guy that won last year got more production than expected out of McFadden. Could've easily said the same thing for the team drafting Bowe or Mike Williams. What about the guy who picked Jerome Harrison thinking he was going to start? The teams that win probably have depth because they drafted well overall, not because they picked a RB as their flex. And Ryan Grant has been a very productive RB, he just happens to be very underrated. Most would consider him a RB2, so if you have a RB2 as your RB3, you should be okay no matter what the format.

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

Wow, you changed your tune quite a bit there. In your earlier post you said that even a mediocre RB will outscore a "stud" WR. And that if you aren't starting a RB in the flex spot, odds are that you aren't built to win. Sounds like a pretty rigid philosophy to me.

No, I haven't changed my tune at all.I said "a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant would outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson." Let's look at the numbers. In DeSean Jackson's 2 seasons as a starter, he averaged 10.8 points per game. In Ryan Grant's 2 seasons as a starter, he has averaged 11.7 points per game. Looks to me like you can expect more points from a player going 3 or more rounds later than DeSean Jackson. The difference is even more dramatic when you move down the WR list.I never once said you can't win if you aren't starting a RB at Flex. I suggested that you probably aren't, and I stand by that. I'd love to see the rosters of some public high-stakes Flex, Non-PPR, 3 WR league champions and see what their rosters look like. If what you say is true, I shouldn't see any discernable trend among WRs and RBs. But, I'm willing to bet there is. As a starting point, here were the Flex players from the champion in my league with this same structure for the last 3 years. - 2007: Jamal Lewis (14.7 ppg, good enough for #3 WR overall)- 2008: Pierre Thomas (10.9 ppg, good enough for #9 WR overall)- 2009: Ricky Williams (13.5 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) - 2010: Darren McFadden (17.4 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) Those aren't huge names, but all 4 put up #1 WR numbers. That's more proof of the point I am making.

Agree with the premise, but for the sake of arguement ... was McFadden the guy's third best RB last year? Wow, if so ...

Yes. Incidentally, that guy was me. Had Foster, Charles, and McFadden. Didn't take a WR until the 8th but it didn't matter because I got 50 points a week from my running backs, 20 from WR, 20-25 from QB, and 25 combined from Kicker, TE, and D. I didn't take a WR until the 8th but it barely matters if you dominate at Running Back, which is part and parcel of the Flex strategy in a non-PPR league.

 

[De Novo]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

Wow, you changed your tune quite a bit there. In your earlier post you said that even a mediocre RB will outscore a "stud" WR. And that if you aren't starting a RB in the flex spot, odds are that you aren't built to win. Sounds like a pretty rigid philosophy to me.

No, I haven't changed my tune at all.I said "a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant would outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson." Let's look at the numbers. In DeSean Jackson's 2 seasons as a starter, he averaged 10.8 points per game. In Ryan Grant's 2 seasons as a starter, he has averaged 11.7 points per game. Looks to me like you can expect more points from a player going 3 or more rounds later than DeSean Jackson. The difference is even more dramatic when you move down the WR list.I never once said you can't win if you aren't starting a RB at Flex. I suggested that you probably aren't, and I stand by that. I'd love to see the rosters of some public high-stakes Flex, Non-PPR, 3 WR league champions and see what their rosters look like. If what you say is true, I shouldn't see any discernable trend among WRs and RBs. But, I'm willing to bet there is. As a starting point, here were the Flex players from the champion in my league with this same structure for the last 3 years. - 2007: Jamal Lewis (14.7 ppg, good enough for #3 WR overall)- 2008: Pierre Thomas (10.9 ppg, good enough for #9 WR overall)- 2009: Ricky Williams (13.5 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) - 2010: Darren McFadden (17.4 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) Those aren't huge names, but all 4 put up #1 WR numbers. That's more proof of the point I am making.

Agree with the premise, but for the sake of arguement ... was McFadden the guy's third best RB last year? Wow, if so ...

so if you have a RB2 as your RB3, you should be okay no matter what the format.

Having a RB2 as your RB3 in a non-Flex league may not maximize expected points, since you can't start him but for a few week weeks. The key point I'm trying to make is that it matters the most in a Flex league, because he is in your lineup every week.

 

[Tornacl]

If you aren't starting a RB in the Flex spot, odds are you don't have a team built to win in a Flex non-PPR league. Even a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant will outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson in the Flex spot. I will probably draft 2 more RB than I normally would with a Flex spot in play because a quality 3rd RB is the hardest one to come up with.

I disagree with this quite a bit, in fact, normally a team that goes RB WR WR WR RB is stronger than a team that goes RB RB RB WR WR. Outside of the first round especially in the non-ppr leagues the drop off for RBs is HUGE it would be stupid to ignore the WR value.

What are you disagreeing with? I read your post as, "You're wrong! You shouldn't start a RB in the Flex. You should draft WRs earlier." Those are not mutually exclusive. Are you are saying you should start a WR in your Flex? If you are in fact saying that, then I believe you are wrong. Remember, we're talking about non-PPR where a WR4 (your Flex) gets 7 to 8 points per week. I'll start a RB3 in the Flex and take my 10 to 11 points per week. I feel like I shouldn't even have to make this argument, but so many people play PPR now that they forget how non-PPR really works.

But if everyone in your league is reaching for RBs, that means that better WRs are left on the board. To go into any draft with a rigid plan is foolish. If you feel the best player is a RB, take the RB. But if the best player on the board is another position, then take that position. What works in one draft may not work in another. Two (or more) teams can go into a draft with an identical plan of what position they're going to take in each round, but that doesn't mean they'll end up with identical teams. It is all in the players you draft, and if you're better at identifying the best value.I'd love to do a mock draft where most of the teams were locked into the position they will take each round, and have a couple of teams with flexibility to draft whoever they want. My guess is that the teams with flexibility would be stronger (at least on paper).

You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I never said to go in with a rigid plan. I just said that if your Flex player is a WR or a crappy RB, then you are likely to be in bad shape. I stand by that. You can open your draft however you want. What I am saying is that you are in bad shape if you end up with a mediocre WR or crappy RB in the flex spot. I have played in many Flex non-PPR leagues in various league sizes over the last 8 or 10 years and I cannot remember a single league champion who was weak at the Flex spot. I'm sure it happens, but I'd bet against it. It's just such a tremendous signal as to the depth/quality of the most important position in a non-PPR league.

Wow, you changed your tune quite a bit there. In your earlier post you said that even a mediocre RB will outscore a "stud" WR. And that if you aren't starting a RB in the flex spot, odds are that you aren't built to win. Sounds like a pretty rigid philosophy to me.

No, I haven't changed my tune at all.I said "a mediocre RB like Ryan Grant would outscore a "stud" like DeSean Jackson." Let's look at the numbers. In DeSean Jackson's 2 seasons as a starter, he averaged 10.8 points per game. In Ryan Grant's 2 seasons as a starter, he has averaged 11.7 points per game. Looks to me like you can expect more points from a player going 3 or more rounds later than DeSean Jackson. The difference is even more dramatic when you move down the WR list.I never once said you can't win if you aren't starting a RB at Flex. I suggested that you probably aren't, and I stand by that. I'd love to see the rosters of some public high-stakes Flex, Non-PPR, 3 WR league champions and see what their rosters look like. If what you say is true, I shouldn't see any discernable trend among WRs and RBs. But, I'm willing to bet there is. As a starting point, here were the Flex players from the champion in my league with this same structure for the last 3 years. - 2007: Jamal Lewis (14.7 ppg, good enough for #3 WR overall)- 2008: Pierre Thomas (10.9 ppg, good enough for #9 WR overall)- 2009: Ricky Williams (13.5 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) - 2010: Darren McFadden (17.4 ppg, good enough for #1 WR overall) Those aren't huge names, but all 4 put up #1 WR numbers. That's more proof of the point I am making.

Agree with the premise, but for the sake of arguement ... was McFadden the guy's third best RB last year? Wow, if so ...

so if you have a RB2 as your RB3, you should be okay no matter what the format.

Having a RB2 as your RB3 in a non-Flex league may not maximize expected points, since you can't start him but for a few week weeks. The key point I'm trying to make is that it matters the most in a Flex league, because he is in your lineup every week.

you won because you had foster, charles, and mcfadden, not because you had a RB in your flex position. Had you drafted different players with the same philosophy, you wouldn't have had the same results. My point is that you should take the best player for your system, but just because the guy is a RB, that doesn't automatically make him better. Having a good RB3 is important, but so is having a good WR4. You'll need both during the year.If you are able to pick guys that far out produce their draft position, you'll do well no matter what position they are. Last year, those were guys like Foster, Hillis, McFadden, Bowe, Mike Williams (TB), Vick. If you drafted those guys at their ADP last year, it really wouldn't have mattered much what positions you drafted early in your draft. If you're better at picking out those guys than the rest of your league, you'll consistently be a league power.

 

[jon_mx]

Looking at the points from last year, this would be my priority list when looking at my flex spot:

RB2 > WR2 > WR3 = RB3 > TE1 > WR4 > TE2

It is highly unlikely you can get a RB2 for the flex unless you go RB-RB-RB, but then all other positions will have been sacrificed.

 

[fightingillini]

To see how the flex should break out... remove the top 24 RBs and 36 WRs, dump the rest into excel and sort them by fantasy points. The top 12 are the ones who should be starting in the flex spot. You can count how many are RB and how many are WR then.I think the flex does also add a little extra value to drafting RBs over what the above will show. If a RB and WR score about the same, I'd much rather have the RB as my flex player because it's normally harder to replace a RB than it is a WR if one goes down.

This.How much value the RB gains depends on PPR vs nonPPR. If non PPR, I draft RBs early and often, unless I can get a top 5 WR in the late second or early 3rd round. But I agree that RB value increases with the flex, and Dodds VBD spreadsheet reflects that.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Flex before WR? This is a standard 0.5PPR, (6pt TDs/4pt passing TDs) and scoring distance bonuses league. Start 2 RBs and 2 WRs and 1 RB/WR Flex.

I am thinking I can get MJD and Mendenhall - and thinking the following may be available:

Love'em but less likely of being there:

RB: Forte/Gore

WR: V Jackson/Wallace

QB: Brady

Decent chance of being there:

RB: SJax/Hillis/Turner

WR: Jennings/Wayne

QB: Rivers/Peyton

Almost lock of being there:

RB: Bradshaw/Ingram/Green - cast of others

WR: Austin/D Jackson/Bowe/TB Mike

QB: drops to Romo - won't go there at this pt

Realizing that many of you are not big fans of going 2 RB upfront - stick with me here. What do you see as the strongest approach with the 3rd pick here? I would love to wait and get Romo in the 4th but the odds of him being there are low. I usually wait on a QB and may go that way if the draft falls that way (Stafford combo of sorts). I am giving stronger consideration this year for a top level QB for reliability - but also to win weekly high point dollars that I have routinely missed out on without a heavyweight QB and giant scoring weeks.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Flex before WR? This is a standard 0.5PPR, (6pt TDs/4pt passing TDs) and scoring distance bonuses league. Start 2 RBs and 2 WRs and 1 RB/WR Flex.I am thinking I can get MJD and Mendenhall - and thinking the following may be available:Love'em but less likely of being there:RB: Forte/GoreWR: V Jackson/WallaceQB: BradyDecent chance of being there:RB: SJax/Hillis/TurnerWR: Jennings/WayneQB: Rivers/PeytonAlmost lock of being there:RB: Bradshaw/Ingram/Green - cast of othersWR: Austin/D Jackson/Bowe/TB MikeQB: drops to Romo - won't go there at this ptRealizing that many of you are not big fans of going 2 RB upfront - stick with me here. What do you see as the strongest approach with the 3rd pick here? I would love to wait and get Romo in the 4th but the odds of him being there are low. I usually wait on a QB and may go that way if the draft falls that way (Stafford combo of sorts). I am giving stronger consideration this year for a top level QB for reliability - but also to win weekly high point dollars that I have routinely missed out on without a heavyweight QB and giant scoring weeks.

Pity bump - need a little input here - whadaya think ...