20+ MLB players to be suspended? Braun, A-Rod? (1 Viewer)

[Abraham]

Voiding contracts just gives the teams (and therefore MLB) further incentive to continue to turn a blind eye to PEDs. Arguably voiding contracts also leads to higher FA contracts, because only the player and not the team suffers the suspension/ban. Higher FA contracts further incentivizes both PEDs and doing whatever it takes not to get caught. I think for punishments to have any real meaning the teams have to suffer too.

plus it would hurt small market teams and help big market teams. If Ryan Braun were a Free Agent tomorrow, do you think the Brewers would have a shot of matching the contract the Yankees offered him? No.

How would the Yankees sign him if he were banned from baseball?

 

[dparker713]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

Well then luckily they have documentation. And of course the baseball guys have plenty of reason to lie. No one here is exactly George Washington.

The documentation we know of is Bosch's handwritten notes. Besides being hearsay, they've got the same credibility concerns Bosch does. Same with any business records he kept as Bosch would have had primary control over such records. When the entire trail of evidence relies on one person, the case will come down to that person's credibility.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Voiding contracts just gives the teams (and therefore MLB) further incentive to continue to turn a blind eye to PEDs.

Arguably voiding contracts also leads to higher FA contracts, because only the player and not the team suffers the suspension/ban. Higher FA contracts further incentivizes both PEDs and doing whatever it takes not to get caught.

I think for punishments to have any real meaning the teams have to suffer too.

plus it would hurt small market teams and help big market teams.

If Ryan Braun were a Free Agent tomorrow, do you think the Brewers would have a shot of matching the contract the Yankees offered him? No.

How would the Yankees sign him if he were banned from baseball?

I guess if they voided his contract and banned him from baseball that wouldn't cause that.

In my mind I was just thinking "contract is voided, now you're a free agent" kind of thing.

 

[Sinn Fein]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

This sounds a lot like the arguments people used to make about Jose Canseco...

Sometimes, bad people tell the truth about things people don't want to know about.

 

[dparker713]

Voiding contracts just gives the teams (and therefore MLB) further incentive to continue to turn a blind eye to PEDs.

Arguably voiding contracts also leads to higher FA contracts, because only the player and not the team suffers the suspension/ban. Higher FA contracts further incentivizes both PEDs and doing whatever it takes not to get caught.

I think for punishments to have any real meaning the teams have to suffer too.

plus it would hurt small market teams and help big market teams.

If Ryan Braun were a Free Agent tomorrow, do you think the Brewers would have a shot of matching the contract the Yankees offered him? No.

How would the Yankees sign him if he were banned from baseball?

So, you want the players to agree to a system where their guaranteed contracts can be placed into jeopardy by a testing system controlled by the people that are supposed to pay those guaranteed contracts? Sounds sensible.

 

[dparker713]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

This sounds a lot like the arguments people used to make about Jose Canseco...

Sometimes, bad people tell the truth about things people don't want to know about.

And how many convictions did Jose's testimony result in?

 

[Abraham]

Voiding contracts just gives the teams (and therefore MLB) further incentive to continue to turn a blind eye to PEDs. Arguably voiding contracts also leads to higher FA contracts, because only the player and not the team suffers the suspension/ban. Higher FA contracts further incentivizes both PEDs and doing whatever it takes not to get caught. I think for punishments to have any real meaning the teams have to suffer too.

plus it would hurt small market teams and help big market teams. If Ryan Braun were a Free Agent tomorrow, do you think the Brewers would have a shot of matching the contract the Yankees offered him? No.

How would the Yankees sign him if he were banned from baseball?

So, you want the players to agree to a system where their guaranteed contracts can be placed into jeopardy by a testing system controlled by the people that are supposed to pay those guaranteed contracts? Sounds sensible.

When will you player apologists learn that the owners can't control themselves in handing out these contracts and there should be mechanisms in place to protect them from themselves?

 

[Sinn Fein]

from Jayson Stark's column:

And if you believe the rumor mill, Braun and A-Rod might not even be the biggest names on that list. But we're getting way ahead of ourselves on that front.

this might explain Albert Pujols' "off-year"...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Dealers snitching on users, nice twist.

 

[NCCommish]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

Well then luckily they have documentation. And of course the baseball guys have plenty of reason to lie. No one here is exactly George Washington.

The documentation we know of is Bosch's handwritten notes. Besides being hearsay, they've got the same credibility concerns Bosch does. Same with any business records he kept as Bosch would have had primary control over such records. When the entire trail of evidence relies on one person, the case will come down to that person's credibility.

This is a drug case. This is how they destroy drug rings. It is done everyday in America and plenty of people are cooling their heels in a cell right now because of it. Just because these guys play a sport doesn't change a thing.

 

[comfortably numb]

from Jayson Stark's column:

And if you believe the rumor mill, Braun and A-Rod might not even be the biggest names on that list. But we're getting way ahead of ourselves on that front.

this might explain Albert Pujols' "off-year"...

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

 

[dparker713]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

Well then luckily they have documentation. And of course the baseball guys have plenty of reason to lie. No one here is exactly George Washington.

The documentation we know of is Bosch's handwritten notes. Besides being hearsay, they've got the same credibility concerns Bosch does. Same with any business records he kept as Bosch would have had primary control over such records. When the entire trail of evidence relies on one person, the case will come down to that person's credibility.

This is a drug case. This is how they destroy drug rings. It is done everyday in America and plenty of people are cooling their heels in a cell right now because of it. Just because these guys play a sport doesn't change a thing.

How often do you hear of a drug dealer getting leniency for turning on his clients? No, this isn't how drug rings are taken down. And these guys being players doesn't change things, these guys having a lot of money does.

 

[GroveDiesel]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

Well then luckily they have documentation. And of course the baseball guys have plenty of reason to lie. No one here is exactly George Washington.

The documentation we know of is Bosch's handwritten notes. Besides being hearsay, they've got the same credibility concerns Bosch does. Same with any business records he kept as Bosch would have had primary control over such records. When the entire trail of evidence relies on one person, the case will come down to that person's credibility.

Very possible that Bosch has shipment tracking numbers sending packages to couriers in the area of each player. And it sounds as if they're going to try to flip those couriers as well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Gammons was interesting this morning. Something along the lines of, "A-Rod has taken a genuine interest in mentoring young players. It's something he really enjoys. And you have to wonder how many of those people he has introduced to this place. There could be some unexpected names that turn up on that list."

Guys mostly associated with A-Rod's mentoring, from memory and internet searches = Cano, Cabrera, Machado, and J. Montero. Not sure how many of those would be unexpected. Cano, I guess. Who's missing from that list?

 

[dparker713]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

Well then luckily they have documentation. And of course the baseball guys have plenty of reason to lie. No one here is exactly George Washington.

The documentation we know of is Bosch's handwritten notes. Besides being hearsay, they've got the same credibility concerns Bosch does. Same with any business records he kept as Bosch would have had primary control over such records. When the entire trail of evidence relies on one person, the case will come down to that person's credibility.

Very possible that Bosch has shipment tracking numbers sending packages to couriers in the area of each player. And it sounds as if they're going to try to flip those couriers as well.

What in the world could MLB possibly give to courier companies that would make them want to cooperate?

 

[Snotbubbles]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

Well then luckily they have documentation. And of course the baseball guys have plenty of reason to lie. No one here is exactly George Washington.

The documentation we know of is Bosch's handwritten notes. Besides being hearsay, they've got the same credibility concerns Bosch does. Same with any business records he kept as Bosch would have had primary control over such records. When the entire trail of evidence relies on one person, the case will come down to that person's credibility.

This is a drug case. This is how they destroy drug rings. It is done everyday in America and plenty of people are cooling their heels in a cell right now because of it. Just because these guys play a sport doesn't change a thing.

How often do you hear of a drug dealer getting leniency for turning on his clients? No, this isn't how drug rings are taken down. And these guys being players doesn't change things, these guys having a lot of money does.

What kind of leniency will Bosch get by helping MLB? If you're a Federal Prosecutor, do you give a flying f if Bosch agrees to help MLB out the guys using PEDs? Prosecutors don't want to go down the chain, they want to go up the chain.

 

[GroveDiesel]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

Well then luckily they have documentation. And of course the baseball guys have plenty of reason to lie. No one here is exactly George Washington.

The documentation we know of is Bosch's handwritten notes. Besides being hearsay, they've got the same credibility concerns Bosch does. Same with any business records he kept as Bosch would have had primary control over such records. When the entire trail of evidence relies on one person, the case will come down to that person's credibility.

Very possible that Bosch has shipment tracking numbers sending packages to couriers in the area of each player. And it sounds as if they're going to try to flip those couriers as well.

What in the world could MLB possibly give to courier companies that would make them want to cooperate?

Couriers. Not courier companies. No way did they involve courier companies. Probably a network of guys that Bosch had some connection to that he knew he could trust.

 

[Sinn Fein]

What kind of leniency will Bosch get by helping MLB? If you're a Federal Prosecutor, do you give a flying f if Bosch agrees to help MLB out the guys using PEDs? Prosecutors don't want to go down the chain, they want to go up the chain.

High profile MLB players are up the food chain.

 

[Abraham]

If Cano is on the list, where would we rank his reluctance to sign an extension this offseason in terms of blunders?

 

[comfortably numb]

If Cano is on the list, where would we rank his reluctance to sign an extension this offseason in terms of blunders?

One of Matt Barkley proportions.

 

[bigmarc27]

from Jayson Stark's column:

And if you believe the rumor mill, Braun and A-Rod might not even be the biggest names on that list. But we're getting way ahead of ourselves on that front.

this might explain Albert Pujols' "off-year"...

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Yeah those are about the only two bigger names I can think of unless you pull in someone like Jeter.

 

[dparker713]

You guys do know that the legal system often uses one criminal turning on the others to get convictions. This whole idea that because someone involved is testifying negates their testimony is just stupid. It's how it works here every day of the week. If this guy has some kind of corroborating proof, and you can bet he probably does, the players union can stamp it's feet all it wants.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that because MLB has one witness and some handwritten notes, the MLBPA can't fight the claims? Or are you saying even if they do fight it, they will lose?

I'm saying people who think the testimony is worthless are fooling themselves.

His testimony will be highly suspect. He's hardly an upstanding citizen and he has every motivation to lie in a manner that would please Bud Selig. He's got major credibility concerns and if this were a criminal case, no prosecutor I know of would go to trial without more that Bosch's word.

Well then luckily they have documentation. And of course the baseball guys have plenty of reason to lie. No one here is exactly George Washington.

The documentation we know of is Bosch's handwritten notes. Besides being hearsay, they've got the same credibility concerns Bosch does. Same with any business records he kept as Bosch would have had primary control over such records. When the entire trail of evidence relies on one person, the case will come down to that person's credibility.

Very possible that Bosch has shipment tracking numbers sending packages to couriers in the area of each player. And it sounds as if they're going to try to flip those couriers as well.

What in the world could MLB possibly give to courier companies that would make them want to cooperate?

Couriers. Not courier companies. No way did they involve courier companies. Probably a network of guys that Bosch had some connection to that he knew he could trust.

Again, what could the MLB offer them to cooperate?

 

[comfortably numb]

from Jayson Stark's column:

And if you believe the rumor mill, Braun and A-Rod might not even be the biggest names on that list. But we're getting way ahead of ourselves on that front.

this might explain Albert Pujols' "off-year"...

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Yeah those are about the only two bigger names I can think of unless you pull in someone like Jeter.

I forgot Cano.

Those 3 are big ones that would make me basically say, "well it's about time it's out in the open."

I'm a Mets fan and in no way hate the Yankees, but the stuff that Jeter and Rivera have done at such an old age leave me wondering.

 

[GroveDiesel]

from Jayson Stark's column:

And if you believe the rumor mill, Braun and A-Rod might not even be the biggest names on that list. But we're getting way ahead of ourselves on that front.

this might explain Albert Pujols' "off-year"...

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Yeah those are about the only two bigger names I can think of unless you pull in someone like Jeter.

Ryan Howard? Maybe some pitchers? Mariano Rivera?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Cano was linked in the original ESPN article - spokeswoman for Cano's foundation was listed on company documents.

 

[Abraham]

The biggest fish would be Jeter. If Jeter were found to be a cheat, it would be bigger than the other named combined because even people who don't like the Yankees "respect" or "admire" Jeter. Rivera, Pujols, Cabrerra, Trout would all be big stories. Ortiz would be a big story since he has been so adement that he is clean. But Jeter would be the big one.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

No Pirates so far . . . .

 

[sporthenry]

No Pirates so far . . . .

Well apparently in this thread, we just throw names around of successful players so therefore, McCutchen.

 

[Abraham]

No Pirates so far . . . .

Well apparently in this thread, we just throw names around of successful players so therefore, McCutchen.

Whoah! That is a big one. Had no idea he was on the list. Need to post this to twitter and Facebook ASAP. Thanks for the headsup.

 

[Kal El]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

 

[biggamer3]

Doubt Cano was involved, the first rumor had a representative of his having 300 dollar tab with the clinic, that was the exact amount of the actual weight loss program that the clinic provided, no one was getting roids for 300 bucks.

 

[bigmarc27]

No Pirates so far . . . .

Well apparently in this thread, we just throw names around of successful players so therefore, McCutchen.

I wasn't trying to insinuate guilt to Jeter or Pujols or anyone like that, more just speaking to the Stark tweet of Braun and AROd possibly not being the biggest names on the list. I can't think of many bigger names than those two.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Doubt Cano was involved, the first rumor had a representative of his having 300 dollar tab with the clinic, that was the exact amount of the actual weight loss program that the clinic provided, no one was getting roids for 300 bucks.

Of all the weight loss clinics, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into this one...

 

[biggamer3]

Doubt Cano was involved, the first rumor had a representative of his having 300 dollar tab with the clinic, that was the exact amount of the actual weight loss program that the clinic provided, no one was getting roids for 300 bucks.

Of all the weight loss clinics, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into this one...

eh, I would assume they were pretty popular in the legit business aspects of the business.

 

[Mr. Cross]

Looks like a Hispanic witch hunt to me.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

Sorry, he's a BIG NAME so he MUST be shaking in his cleats right about now.

 

[Abraham]

Looks like a Hispanic witch hunt to me.

The HIspanic Jews from Mission Hills are probably FURIOUS at the moment.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

Sorry, he's a BIG NAME so he MUST be shaking in his cleats right about now.

That's got less to do with Bosch and Biogenesis than a lack of Ballentine's and Glenlivet

 

[Eephus]

No Pirates so far . . . .

Well apparently in this thread, we just throw names around of successful players so therefore, McCutchen.

I wasn't trying to insinuate guilt to Jeter or Pujols or anyone like that, more just speaking to the Stark tweet of Braun and AROd possibly not being the biggest names on the list. I can't think of many bigger names than those two.

SALTALAMACCHIA

 

[Todem]

No way Jeter is named.

If he is......I would be beyond shocked.

I am already going to have to explain to my 8 year old about Cano if he is one of the players suspended.

Another black eye on the greatest game in the world. Breaks my heart.

 

[Jaysus]

No way Jeter is named.

If he is......I would be beyond shocked.

I am already going to have to explain to my 8 year old about Cano if he is one of the players suspended.

Another black eye on the greatest game in the world. Breaks my heart.

What would you have to explain?

"He is being punished for breaking the rules" does not seem like a difficult conversation.

 

[rodg12]

No way Jeter is named.

If he is......I would be beyond shocked.

I am already going to have to explain to my 8 year old about Cano if he is one of the players suspended.

Another black eye on the greatest game in the world. Breaks my heart.

What would you have to explain?

"He is being punished for breaking the rules" does not seem like a difficult conversation.

What explanation did you give your 8 year old when Joba got arrested for a DUI? Anything?

 

[General Malaise]

I'm scooping up all lily white, slap hitting utility hitters I can find available in all my fantasy leagues. That means you, Willie Bloomquest and Brendan Ryan.

 

[Mr. Cross]

Looks like a Hispanic witch hunt to me.

The HIspanic Jews from Mission Hills are probably FURIOUS at the moment.

They hate Braun for getting off on a technicality and couldn't wait to nail him. This smacks of the white old boys network upset about proposed immigration reform.

 

[Raider Nation]

No way Jeter is named.

If he is......I would be beyond shocked.

I am already going to have to explain to my 8 year old about Cano if he is one of the players suspended.

Another black eye on the greatest game in the world. Breaks my heart.

What would you have to explain?

"He is being punished for breaking the rules" does not seem like a difficult conversation.

Seems like the harder one is explaining why he never hustles.

 

[Dickies]

I'm curious how they will treat the names on the list, like Melky Cabrera, that have already been suspended for PED use. Presumably he's already served his time for using the drugs from this clinic.

 

[Kal El]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

Sorry, he's a BIG NAME so he MUST be shaking in his cleats right about now.

Pretty much his entire career, he's been accused by (opposing) fans of using PEDs. He knows this, and he's already had problems with alcohol in the past, so why would he jeopardize a sizable portion of his career by using?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Pujols and Miguel Cabrerra shaking in their cleats right about now.

Miguel doesn't do steroids. He's just always been good.

Sorry, he's a BIG NAME so he MUST be shaking in his cleats right about now.

Pretty much his entire career, he's been accused by (opposing) fans of using PEDs. He knows this, and he's already had problems with alcohol in the past, so why would he jeopardize a sizable portion of his career by using?

 

[the moops]

why would he jeopardize a sizable portion of his career by using?

good point

 

[Sinn Fein]

I'm curious how they will treat the names on the list, like Melky Cabrera, that have already been suspended for PED use. Presumably he's already served his time for using the drugs from this clinic.

Apparently lying about drug use is a separate offense - so I suppose it all comes back to how honest the players were during the mlb investigation.

You would think that someone like melky would just cop to the PED use, to avoid the lying part, but who knows