20 Questions I want to discuss. (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Rather than fire up 20 different threads I thought I would just ask them all and see what the SP thinks. You don't have to answer them all and a few of them I'm sure will be hot button topics over others. Try not to allow the fact you might have drafted or already own a player cloud your ability to be objective. I have guys I loved in the Spring, in fact some that I drafted then that I am pretty lukewarm at best on right now. Thanks everyone.

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round?

-Will Pittsburgh throw the ball as much as some think they will? No suspensions this year, lots of weapons, even the WR3/4 slots not his team have talent.

-What is going on Kansas City? ABANDON SHIP!!!

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy.

-Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman.

-Why do we try and make every player we have interest in a shoe in for top12 at their position. There are 45 WRs off the board and I have to read how Shaky Mallow is gonna tear it up as the WR3 in San Fran. Just realize that not everybody is going to be a star.

-Thank Gawd for Dallas fans and their propensity to play in a lot of FF drafts. No question, just giving thanks.

-Why can't Miami see that they have no answer at QB? Why have they not accepted that they are competing in a pass 1st league?

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

-Why are people not scooping up Hillis and Turner in the 2nd and 3rd round instead of guys like Best and Felix who have not really proven to hold up well. Turner has had some injuries but he is steady production and now has a full passing attack in front of him. Hillis just continues to make me feel dumber and dumber for putting him down last year. Foolish on my part and I'm not going to make that mistake again. You can pick on Cleveland and the OL, you can say their offense is limited, but it sure couldn't be worse than last year and he was terrific for much of the season. I like him over guys like Gore right now who are worried about their bank account more because they know the end of the line is coming...you should too.

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again?

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

-Will the Bucs really be as good as last season? Is Blount really the answer and is he worth a 4th round pick right now?

-What WRs or RBs are sure fire hits in the 2nd round? The 2nd and 3rd round seem very dicey to me as I watch the drafts.

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL?

-Is it me or does New Orleans look they might run a lot more offense thru their RBs this year? Meaning it might go something like Ingram-40-50%, Pierre-30-35%(he looks great right now), Sproles 20-25% of all the Rb touches meaning none of them will be top 5-10, but there could be 2 of them in the top 20.

-Why do we get so emotional over something we have little to no control over? I don't really expect this one to be answered

If you answer mine I'll answer yours, deal?

 

[rizzler]

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy. -Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman.

a)Brady is going to be a "steal" Yes, a steal... Getting him int he 3rd round of a 1pt/20pds and 6pt/td league to me, is a steal.b)No idea. probably because they aren't in the no1 spot to get himand as a bonus, everytime I read your username, I think of House of Pain (whom I love.Now, you declare you're an irishman, and it makes even more sense.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy. -Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman.

a)Brady is going to be a "steal" Yes, a steal... Getting him int he 3rd round of a 1pt/20pds and 6pt/td league to me, is a steal.b)No idea. probably because they aren't in the no1 spot to get himand as a bonus, everytime I read your username, I think of House of Pain (whom I love.Now, you declare you're an irishman, and it makes even more sense.

It was my first team name back n the early mid 90s and I liked how Houston was known in the dome as the House of Pain with Moon and the Run n Shoot, loved it. I also like the Ministry of Sound with Judge Jules a the time as well. Ministry of Sound, House of Pain, add in some Irish Catholic upbringing and there you have it. King of Pain also a Police favorite of mine.

 

[LHUCKS]

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round?

Greene will be fine all year...wouldn't touch LT in the 11th in non PPRs. PPR he is a consideration.

-Will Pittsburgh throw the ball as much as some think they will? No suspensions this year, lots of weapons, even the WR3/4 slots not his team have talent.

I expect something similar to last year in terms of balance.

-What is going on Kansas City? ABANDON SHIP!!!

tougher schedule, but they're talented...will be less consistent than last year

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

DMC may end up being the steal of the first round

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy.

I love Brady this year

-Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman.

Arian Foster is the clear number one...especially since he appears to have a great handcuff too.

-Why do we try and make every player we have interest in a shoe in for top12 at their position. There are 45 WRs off the board and I have to read how Shaky Mallow is gonna tear it up as the WR3 in San Fran. Just realize that not everybody is going to be a star.

This is a statement, not a question...so you only have 19 questions.

-Thank Gawd for Dallas fans and their propensity to play in a lot of FF drafts. No question, just giving thanks.

Another statement, so you have 18 questions now.

-Why can't Miami see that they have no answer at QB? Why have they not accepted that they are competing in a pass 1st league?

They have an old school branintrust that hasn't adjusted.

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

He's in his prime and is a potential TD monster. Very safe offense. Decline of Gates.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

And when it comes to stewed prunes, are three enough...and are four too many?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nice job LHucks, don't agree with it all but nice job

Edited to add: you missed where I had multiple questions so I think I clear 20 easily.

 

[Bankerguy]

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round?

Yes ans yes.

-Will Pittsburgh throw the ball as much as some think they will? No suspensions this year, lots of weapons, even the WR3/4 slots not his team have talent.

Yes....good value here.

-What is going on Kansas City? ABANDON SHIP!!!

It's too early to be concerned. Its preseason Haley is weird anyway.

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

Not sure.

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy.

I like him as the 2nd best QB behind Rodgers.

-Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman.

He was right out of nowhere...people get jittery?

-Why do we try and make every player we have interest in a shoe in for top12 at their position. There are 45 WRs off the board and I have to read how Shaky Mallow is gonna tear it up as the WR3 in San Fran. Just realize that not everybody is going to be a star.

Agreed.

-Thank Gawd for Dallas fans and their propensity to play in a lot of FF drafts. No question, just giving thanks.

As a Dallas fan...you are welcome. They have a terrible defense and a great offense. This is great for fantasy. I think quite a few Cowboys this year.

-Why can't Miami see that they have no answer at QB? Why have they not accepted that they are competing in a pass 1st league?

They never seem to have an understandable front office and drafting plan.

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

STUD. Going be a big year. Opportunity.

-Why are people not scooping up Hillis and Turner in the 2nd and 3rd round instead of guys like Best and Felix who have not really proven to hold up well. Turner has had some injuries but he is steady production and now has a full passing attack in front of him. Hillis just continues to make me feel dumber and dumber for putting him down last year. Foolish on my part and I'm not going to make that mistake again. You can pick on Cleveland and the OL, you can say their offense is limited, but it sure couldn't be worse than last year and he was terrific for much of the season. I like him over guys like Gore right now who are worried about their bank account more because they know the end of the line is coming...you should too.

They arent sexy picks. I think Turner is going to help a lot of Championship FF teams.

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

I dont like the unknown and I dont like holdouts. they often get hurt. I wont take him anywhere in the first right now.

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

Sadly, this secret is not a secret anymore.

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again?

Yes, 9-7 tops.

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

Gotta agree here along with Big Ben.

-Will the Bucs really be as good as last season? Is Blount really the answer and is he worth a 4th round pick right now?

No, and yes.

-What WRs or RBs are sure fire hits in the 2nd round? The 2nd and 3rd round seem very dicey to me as I watch the drafts.

Turner for me.

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL?

ROY WILLIAMS. Nuff said...lol

-Is it me or does New Orleans look they might run a lot more offense thru their RBs this year? Meaning it might go something like Ingram-40-50%, Pierre-30-35%(he looks great right now), Sproles 20-25% of all the Rb touches meaning none of them will be top 5-10, but there could be 2 of them in the top 20.

Not buying the Ingram hype. I think Pierre to emerge as the year goes on. Yes they will be more balanced this year imo.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

And when it comes to stewed prunes, are three enough...and are four too many?

3 never 4...what's the fastest land animal?

 

[tenaka]

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round?

I guess I'm tainted from watching him in college, but even as an Iowa fan I never thought he had enough speed or power for the NFL. Enough to make a mighty fine college career, but I view him more as being in the right place at the right time and can't bring myself to trust him in having the NFL talent to be the man.

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

I really think they can. People have had so much fun mocking Al Davis over the last few years that its just inconceivable that the team could actually ever do anything right. I look at them and believe they can actually be an average team with a couple of startable players.

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy.

Yes. Except I'm not a draft-qb-early guy. But its crazy that some people rank him as low as they do just because they want to be the guy who predicted the next great thing. When I started playing ffl there was a saying - Stop trying to draft the next Brett Favre and just freaking draft Brett Favre.

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

Thank you!! I'm confounded as well. He is physically gifted and will put up a couple monster games a year. But he'll give you carp too often for my tastes.

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

Funny that this comes after your question of everyone needing to say their guy is top 12 at the position... Don't get me wrong, I'm fully on board that he is worth much more than where he is being drafted. Got him in 2 of 3 redrafts this year and already had the fitz-wayne combo in the other. The guy is going to catch a ton of balls in that offense.

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

Looking at his per-game stats when he has actually played, I would say so. But I think Bradford and Orton (yes that Orton) are in the argument. Bradford has a lot of weapons and the ability to be great eventually you just don't know if it is this year or not. Orton... yea he is Orton but look at what he did in the first half of last year. He just has to stay on the field for 16 games and not get hurt or benched for 'the project'.

-What WRs or RBs are sure fire hits in the 2nd round? The 2nd and 3rd round seem very dicey to me as I watch the drafts.

I'm going to base my answer on this list from MFL (real ppr drafts in august)13. 2.01 Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB 14.06 3 57 63214. 2.02 McFadden, Darren OAK RB 14.29 5 66 63215. 2.03 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 16.37 4 43 63216. 2.04 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 18.49 3 45 63317. 2.05 Gore, Frank SFO RB 19.25 3 124 63318. 2.06 Forte, Matt CHI RB 19.93 6 71 63219. 2.07 Jennings, Greg GBP WR 21.53 7 51 63320. 2.08 Jackson, Steven STL RB 22.36 7 127 63321. 2.09 Turner, Michael ATL RB 23.63 3 85 63322. 2.10 Jackson, Vincent SDC WR 24.52 9 67 63223. 2.11 Hillis, Peyton CLE RB 25.03 4 92 63024. 2.12 Brady, Tom NEP QB 25.15 1 66 626RBs - Mendy, Sjax and Forte seem guaranteed to at least be good.WRs - Fitz, Nicks and JenningsSo more of the potential misses are in the RB class, imo anyway.

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL?

Sheer volume of drives? That defense is going to keep getting them the ball, via turnover or punt. Even a blind squirrel...

 

[LHUCKS]

-Why are people not scooping up Hillis and Turner in the 2nd and 3rd round instead of guys like Best and Felix who have not really proven to hold up well. Turner has had some injuries but he is steady production and now has a full passing attack in front of him. Hillis just continues to make me feel dumber and dumber for putting him down last year. Foolish on my part and I'm not going to make that mistake again. You can pick on Cleveland and the OL, you can say their offense is limited, but it sure couldn't be worse than last year and he was terrific for much of the season. I like him over guys like Gore right now who are worried about their bank account more because they know the end of the line is coming...you should too.

Best and Felix have more perceived upside...that's why. And since they're newer, they're more "sexy" picks.

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

Another rhetorical question...you only have 17 questions. now you're just creating a "look at me" thread in the shark pool.

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

another rhetorical question. You only have 16 questions. Look at me I'm MOP

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again?

Maybe

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

Johnson's numbers actually improved under Hill. Yes, Stafford has the most upside after the top 12 are off the board.

-Will the Bucs really be as good as last season? Is Blount really the answer and is he worth a 4th round pick right now?

No they will not be as good as last season. Blount is legit, where you take him very much depends on the format of the league.

-What WRs or RBs are sure fire hits in the 2nd round? The 2nd and 3rd round seem very dicey to me as I watch the drafts.

Nicks, Turner, Hillis, Fitz to name a few are all really safe.

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL?

Martz

-Is it me or does New Orleans look they might run a lot more offense thru their RBs this year? Meaning it might go something like Ingram-40-50%, Pierre-30-35%(he looks great right now), Sproles 20-25% of all the Rb touches meaning none of them will be top 5-10, but there could be 2 of them in the top 20.

NO will have more balance. Semi-rhetorical.

-Why do we get so emotional over something we have little to no control over? I don't really expect this one to be answered

Only tools get emotional on fantasy football messageboards.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Look at me I'm MOP

Thanks

 

[SSOG]

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round? No, and I prefer Powell to Tomlinson

-Will Pittsburgh throw the ball as much as some think they will? No suspensions this year, lots of weapons, even the WR3/4 slots not his team have talent. Define "some"? Pittsburgh will definitely chuck the rock, but without knowing how much "some think" they will throw it, I can't answer this.

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC? Sure they can. Will they? I dunno, but I don't think McFadden is significantly riskier than most of the guys going around him.

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy. Because the same could be said for Tony Romo, who is typically available even later.

-Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman. People are questioning the selection of last year's #1 RB for the exact same reason that you're questioning the selection of last year's #1 WR- because he doesn't have any track record. It seems mildly hypocritical to express incredulity that people question Foster while openly questioning Brandon Lloyd for the exact same reasons.

-Why do we try and make every player we have interest in a shoe in for top12 at their position. There are 45 WRs off the board and I have to read how Shaky Mallow is gonna tear it up as the WR3 in San Fran. Just realize that not everybody is going to be a star. Because it's not sexy to say "I think he's a sneaky WR who could finish the season 33rd"

-Why can't Miami see that they have no answer at QB? Why have they not accepted that they are competing in a pass 1st league? Whether Miami has an answer at QB depends on what the question is. Are they going to win the SB with Henne? No... but they wouldn't win the SB with anyone else under center, either.

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league. Why do people get so damn hung up on reception totals? Unless you are playing in a PPR league, a reception is a complete and total non-statistic. Jackson has finished in the top 12 in each of his last two seasons despite pathetic target numbers.

-Why are people not scooping up Hillis and Turner in the 2nd and 3rd round instead of guys like Best and Felix who have not really proven to hold up well. Turner has had some injuries but he is steady production and now has a full passing attack in front of him. Hillis just continues to make me feel dumber and dumber for putting him down last year. Foolish on my part and I'm not going to make that mistake again. You can pick on Cleveland and the OL, you can say their offense is limited, but it sure couldn't be worse than last year and he was terrific for much of the season. I like him over guys like Gore right now who are worried about their bank account more because they know the end of the line is coming...you should too. I like Hillis, but you're really holding up 29-year old Michael Turner as an example of a guy who is proven he can hold up?

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later. Maybe, maybe not. Chris Johnson has something called "risk" surrounding him, and people discount him for it. I fail to see how this is unreasonable. I think the risk discount surrounding MJD is significantly more severe (and arguably much more of a potential game-breaker).

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft? I must have missed the memo where it was a foregone conclusion.

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again? Possible, but I'd bet on 9-7

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF? Flacco, Ryan, and Freeman all match his upside, IMO. Oh yeah, and if you're just talking about pure upside, it's hard to count out Cutler.

-Will the Bucs really be as good as last season? Is Blount really the answer and is he worth a 4th round pick right now? No, for now, and yes.

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL? Probably either by passing or by running, unless they invent some third means of advancing the ball

-Is it me or does New Orleans look they might run a lot more offense thru their RBs this year? Meaning it might go something like Ingram-40-50%, Pierre-30-35%(he looks great right now), Sproles 20-25% of all the Rb touches meaning none of them will be top 5-10, but there could be 2 of them in the top 20. You must not have been paying attention. New Orleans has run a lot of their offense through their RBs for years. Few teams involve their backs more in the red zone.

-Why do we get so emotional over something we have little to no control over? I don't really expect this one to be answered Neurological biases.

$.02

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nice SSOG, ty

Turner has about 40TDs the last 2.5 yrs. With a nice passing game to set up more 1st and goals inside the 5...yeah I ilke him

 

[Black]

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round?

He will be hurt by week 6. Just don't think he's that durable. LT will have a couple of good games, a bunch of 5+ catch games, but think by end of the year it's RBBC with Bilal Powell and McKnight.

-Will Pittsburgh throw the ball as much as some think they will? No suspensions this year, lots of weapons, even the WR3/4 slots not his team have talent.

They won't have to with their schedule, but they love to go vertical and have the weapons to do so. Expect alot of 200 yard/ 2-3 TD games from Ben.

-What is going on Kansas City? ABANDON SHIP!!!

I think Finger Wagger Haley rode on Weis last year (as well as a weak schedule) and they won't have as much success offensively. TJones gets hurt, and McClain starts splitting carries to the chagrin of Charles owners. Bowe regresses since there's still no decent WR on the other side and Cassel turns (fully) back into a pumpkin. KC hopes for a little (Andrew) Luck in 2012 Draft.

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

I think DMC will tease with a few good games, but the O-line will fall apart, and there's not even a Gradkowski to salvage any fantasy value from anyone there. Jacoby Ford and/or Denarius Moore get a couple of big games (and garbage time stats).

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy.

EDIT: 40 TDS. Belichick is on the warpath again.

-Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman.

You take Arian and hope Kubiak doesn't come up with some crazy rotation plan, now that he has the horses. But, I would not be shocked to start hearing 'hot hand' talk from the Shanny disciple, and yes, put Larry Johnson behind that line and he's a lock for 1200/10.

-Why do we try and make every player we have interest in a shoe in for top12 at their position. There are 45 WRs off the board and I have to read how Shaky Mallow is gonna tear it up as the WR3 in San Fran. Just realize that not everybody is going to be a star.

I think it helps to work backwards from the projected stats of the QB. QBs are amazingly consistent. Eli is going to throw 24 TDs and 20 INT this year. Then figure out who's going to catch them all. Regarding SF, give 10-12 TDs to VDavis, 4-5 to RBs, and maybe 5 max to Braylon. There's your WR45.

-Thank Gawd for Dallas fans and their propensity to play in a lot of FF drafts. No question, just giving thanks.

I actually am buying the Dallas hype: Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, Miles...but often not where they are going.

-Why can't Miami see that they have no answer at QB? Why have they not accepted that they are competing in a pass 1st league?

I think Henne is going to be decent this year. He's got the weapons and just needs some time to develop.

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

Franchised...so contract year. Dude loves his $$. 80 catches, 1300 yards, 12 TDs.

-Why are people not scooping up Hillis and Turner in the 2nd and 3rd round instead of guys like Best and Felix who have not really proven to hold up well. Turner has had some injuries but he is steady production and now has a full passing attack in front of him. Hillis just continues to make me feel dumber and dumber for putting him down last year. Foolish on my part and I'm not going to make that mistake again. You can pick on Cleveland and the OL, you can say their offense is limited, but it sure couldn't be worse than last year and he was terrific for much of the season. I like him over guys like Gore right now who are worried about their bank account more because they know the end of the line is coming...you should too.

There was NO ONE in CLE last year, QB, WR or RB-wise. Colt's coming into his own, and they've got a couple of up and coming WR. They've got other RBs they plan to use. Hillis could still see double digit TDs, and 40 catches but I don't see the monster games like last year. Turner the Burner is becoming Turner the Burned-out. Too many carries make Mikey a dull runner. Felix and Jahvid will likely catch 50+ balls and are guys who can do things in space. I still think you take Hillis/Turner in the 2nd and Jahvid/Felix in the 3rd, but people like that upside of receptions and explosive plays.

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

He could sit out all year. It's stupid, because he's not the last piece of a Superbowl-bound team willing to spend a fortune to get him back. But, he's delusional (3,000 yards?) and might actually sit out all season. If he comes back in weeks 3-4, he pulls a hammmy and is a tease until week 10. By then, TEN is packing it in with Ponder.

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

All I remember is the week in 2010 when H.Nicks and SSmith were out and thinking Mario was going to have 10 for 200, and Eli starts throwing at Hagan. Seriously? So, yeah I saw his end of year stats (top 20?), too, but wouldn't surprise me to see Hixon or Cruz become the #1 there if Nicks gets hurt.

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again?

I think STL wins at least 10.

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top 10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

Yes. DET finally on the rise, and it all hinges on Stafford's health..or mostly, since Hill and Stanton are not 1/2 bad #2-3 QBs. Calvin himself has to stay healthy, but could destroy if he and Stafford stay healthy...14 TDs?

-Will the Bucs really be as good as last season? Is Blount really the answer and is he worth a 4th round pick right now?

The schedule was kind to the Bucs last year. They need KWinslow to stay healthy and/or another WR to 'show up' to give that offense a chance to be explosive. Not sure Benn can be ready so soon. Blount is a Michael Turner type steady performer, but still waiting to see if Kregg Lumpkin or someone gives them a better 3rd down option.

-What WRs or RBs are sure fire hits in the 2nd round? The 2nd and 3rd round seem very dicey to me as I watch the drafts.

The entire 2nd round is a stinkhole. The 3rd isn't much better. In the 2nd, you can take RBs who drop (SJax, Gore, Hillis), or pull the ripcord on the end of tier 1 WR (H.Nicks, Fitz).

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL?

Looks ugly to me. Cutler better make adjustments at the line, make quick reads, and make quicker releases. Shame they dumped Olsen, so not sure who they throw in the slot to dump off too.

-Is it me or does New Orleans look they might run a lot more offense thru their RBs this year? Meaning it might go something like Ingram-40-50%, Pierre-30-35%(he looks great right now), Sproles 20-25% of all the Rb touches meaning none of them will be top 5-10, but there could be 2 of them in the top 20.

I think Brees throws alot less this year. Run the ball, control the clock, rest the DEF. I think that's a pretty good split you've listed.

-Why do we get so emotional over something we have little to no control over? I don't really expect this one to be answered

"By choice, man, by choice."

 

[SSOG]

Nice SSOG, tyTurner has about 40TDs the last 2.5 yrs. With a nice passing game to set up more 1st and goals inside the 5...yeah I ilke him

I'm not questioning people who like him. I'm questioning people who are putting him forward as a guy who's especially likely to hold up throughout the season. Guy's 29, has an injury history, and set a career low in YPC last season.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nice job Black, well written and again while I would differ on some of this, good stuff.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round?

I think Greene is vastly underrated and is going to be used often in this offense. LT had his Indian Summer season last year and I just don’t see more than 150 total touches this year as the COP back. Greene at his ADP is a steal and solid RB#2.

-Will Pittsburgh throw the ball as much as some think they will? No suspensions this year, lots of weapons, even the WR3/4 slots not his team have talent.

They will throw as often, and Big Ben is one of the less heralded fantasy QB’s, but he’s got decent weapons in Mendy, Wallace, Sanders, and Ward.

-What is going on Kansas City? ABANDON SHIP!!!

Heck no! While I don’t think Kansas City will repeat as AFC West Champs, I also don’t put an ounce of stock into Todd Haley’s preseason gameplan. He’s purposely holding back his A game for the season. Sure, losing Weiss maybe scales back some creativity, but the fact they are taking McCluster back to his original RB spot is a step in the right direction. KC will continue to be a good place for fantasy weapons. Don’t believe what’s going on in preseason.

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

Yes, because DMC is one of the best overall backs in the NFL. He’s going to be the focus of the offense, and his carries and overall touches are all but assured. This is a team that was near the top of the league in rushing and scoring and operate on a 55/45 run/pass ratio. Also, the addition of Al Saunders helps, as you know well the track record of Saunders and fantasy backs. This one is safe to take to the bank as a first round choice.

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy.

Brady is going in the early third round, I don’t know how much more love you can expect from him. The fact is there are several other QB’s in his tier with just as much upside and so the market price is a function of supply and demand. If you miss out on Brady in the third, you can always grab Romo or Rivers. It has to do with an overloaded tier.-

 

[Raiderfan32904]

-Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman.

Going #1 in all redrafts I have been involved in. What more do you expect?

-Why do we try and make every player we have interest in a shoe in for top12 at their position. There are 45 WRs off the board and I have to read how Shaky Mallow is gonna tear it up as the WR3 in San Fran. Just realize that not everybody is going to be a star.

I think you must think if we talk about a Denarius Moore for example, that must mean we are claiming he’s top 12. But the secret to winning in fantasy football is targeting WR’s out of the top 100 and predicting top 40 performers. Fantasy players who can do that are likely to win championships.

-Thank Gawd for Dallas fans and their propensity to play in a lot of FF drafts. No question, just giving thanks.

Agreed, and thank God for Philly homers too. They stack the deck for savvy owners to pick up bargains and create powerhouse teams. Thanks Cowboys and Eagles. We love yaahs.

-Why can't Miami see that they have no answer at QB? Why have they not accepted that they are competing in a pass 1st league?

There are only so many good QB’s out there. Why do you think they are collectively paid so much? Chad Henne is an OK QB, marginal starter, but there are worse in the NFL.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

Good question. I think a lot of people remember that 3 TD game he had late last year when he came back. A lot of people see the Chargers as a dominant offensive juggernaut and see Jackson as 10+ TD lock. I agree that he’s overvalued at his ADP. I’d love to have him as my WR#2, but not WR#1.

-Why are people not scooping up Hillis and Turner in the 2nd and 3rd round instead of guys like Best and Felix who have not really proven to hold up well. Turner has had some injuries but he is steady production and now has a full passing attack in front of him. Hillis just continues to make me feel dumber and dumber for putting him down last year. Foolish on my part and I'm not going to make that mistake again. You can pick on Cleveland and the OL, you can say their offense is limited, but it sure couldn't be worse than last year and he was terrific for much of the season. I like him over guys like Gore right now who are worried about their bank account more because they know the end of the line is coming...you should too.

Hillis wore down the second half of last year, and that’s what people remember, despite his breakout season. Can he repeat his first half performance? Turner is old with a lot of wear and tear. The Falcons are going to be a pass first offense this year with the addition of Julio Jones. I think Turner will be a major disappointment either through lack of performance or injury. I am not touching Turner at his ADP. I will take a chance on Hillis at his ADP, because I like the Cleveland offense and they seem to be moving in the right direction with Colt McCoy.

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

Whoa. Temper that enthusiasm. Chris Johnson is arguably the best running back in football, but missing the entire training camp and preseason is a red flag that he may be working himself into game shape. At the very least, he’s an injury risk. I’d feel more comfortable with safer options. Losing your first round pick early in the season is a death blow to your team and very hard to come back from.

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

You believe the hype? I for one am not buying Manningham. He runs sloppy routes, and inconsistent hands. It’s as if people think that Eli Manning is somehow a great QB. I won’t come near grabbing Manningham at his ADP and am quite sure he’s going to be a major bust for where he’s being picked.

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again?

yes, but I believe that the Rams have a 9-7 in them this year.

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

No, Bradford is. Why, you mentioned it already...”if healthy”. He can’t stay healthy. He’s the Chaz Schilens of QB’s. Calvin will get his regardless of who’s the Lions QB.

-Will the Bucs really be as good as last season? Is Blount really the answer and is he worth a 4th round pick right now?

I don’t think so. Though they are still a decent team for fantasy. Their defense has regressed and their secondary has issues. Blount I believe is still a very safe pick in the 4th round. That’s assuming you aren’t expecting more than 1000 yards and 10 TD’s. Which is still decent return for a 4th rounder.

-What WRs or RBs are sure fire hits in the 2nd round? The 2nd and 3rd round seem very dicey to me as I watch the drafts.

Greg Jennings and Wes Welker stand out in this round for me. They are consistently targeted by the best QB’s in football.

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL?

Not the worst OL in football but poor. The addition of Marion Barber gives them a tandem of backs that can batter their way for yardage. I still don’t like anyone on this team at ADP, but if they fall, they have some value.

-Is it me or does New Orleans look they might run a lot more offense thru their RBs this year? Meaning it might go something like Ingram-40-50%, Pierre-30-35%(he looks great right now), Sproles 20-25% of all the Rb touches meaning none of them will be top 5-10, but there could be 2 of them in the top 20.

No, it’s just you. I think Ingram will get the ball 65% of the time this year, as the others will be COP’s and occasional drive substitutes. Expect Ingram to be a monster his first year like ADP was.

 

[Late225]

About Shonn Greene, we heard the exact same story about him being the "bell cow" last year. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'd much rather have LT in the 11th than Greene in the 2nd. Wait a round or two and take Ingram or Best. Then take LT2 in the 11th if you like Greene.

 

[SSOG]

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

Good question. I think a lot of people remember that 3 TD game he had late last year when he came back. A lot of people see the Chargers as a dominant offensive juggernaut and see Jackson as 10+ TD lock. I agree that he’s overvalued at his ADP. I’d love to have him as my WR#2, but not WR#1.

Right. I'm sure people are totally basing all of their judgments on the fact that he had one great game last season, and not at all on the fact that he's got the 8th highest point-per-game average of ANY WR IN THE NFL over the last 3 seasons (Andre, Calvin, Roddy, Fitz, Jennings, Nicks, Wayne, then VJax). Exclude last season, and VJax climbs to 6th on that list, between Jennings and Nicks.Newsflash to all these people who seem to be under the impression that VJax has no history of production: Vincent Jackson actually does, in fact, have a history of production. He's already got a pair of top-12 finishes under his belt. And that was before Norv finally turned Rivers loose, in two seasons where Antonio Gates played a full 16-game schedule.

 

[tenaka]

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

Good question. I think a lot of people remember that 3 TD game he had late last year when he came back. A lot of people see the Chargers as a dominant offensive juggernaut and see Jackson as 10+ TD lock. I agree that he’s overvalued at his ADP. I’d love to have him as my WR#2, but not WR#1.

Right. I'm sure people are totally basing all of their judgments on the fact that he had one great game last season, and not at all on the fact that he's got the 8th highest point-per-game average of ANY WR IN THE NFL over the last 3 seasons (Andre, Calvin, Roddy, Fitz, Jennings, Nicks, Wayne, then VJax). Exclude last season, and VJax climbs to 6th on that list, between Jennings and Nicks.Newsflash to all these people who seem to be under the impression that VJax has no history of production: Vincent Jackson actually does, in fact, have a history of production. He's already got a pair of top-12 finishes under his belt. And that was before Norv finally turned Rivers loose, in two seasons where Antonio Gates played a full 16-game schedule.

Its not his totals that bother me, its his week in week out production. He lays a lot of 2 catch, 30 yard games out there.

 

[rizzler]

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

Good question. I think a lot of people remember that 3 TD game he had late last year when he came back. A lot of people see the Chargers as a dominant offensive juggernaut and see Jackson as 10+ TD lock. I agree that he’s overvalued at his ADP. I’d love to have him as my WR#2, but not WR#1.

Right. I'm sure people are totally basing all of their judgments on the fact that he had one great game last season, and not at all on the fact that he's got the 8th highest point-per-game average of ANY WR IN THE NFL over the last 3 seasons (Andre, Calvin, Roddy, Fitz, Jennings, Nicks, Wayne, then VJax). Exclude last season, and VJax climbs to 6th on that list, between Jennings and Nicks.Newsflash to all these people who seem to be under the impression that VJax has no history of production: Vincent Jackson actually does, in fact, have a history of production. He's already got a pair of top-12 finishes under his belt. And that was before Norv finally turned Rivers loose, in two seasons where Antonio Gates played a full 16-game schedule.

Its not his totals that bother me, its his week in week out production. He lays a lot of 2 catch, 30 yard games out there.

WK TM OPP RSH YD TD TARG REC YD TD FPT 1 SD OAK 0 0 0 7 5 56 1 11.6 [play-by-play]2 SD BAL 0 0 0 7 6 141 1 20.1 [play-by-play]3 SD MIA 0 0 0 8 5 120 0 12.0 [play-by-play]4 SD PIT 0 0 0 7 4 56 0 5.6 [play-by-play]6 SD DEN 0 0 0 7 4 46 1 10.6 [play-by-play]7 SD KC 0 0 0 9 5 142 1 20.2 [play-by-play]8 SD OAK 0 0 0 12 8 103 1 16.3 [play-by-play]9 SD NYG 1 -4 0 6 5 58 2 17.4 [play-by-play]10 SD PHI 0 0 0 3 1 10 0 1.0 [play-by-play]11 SD DEN 0 0 0 6 4 56 0 5.6 [play-by-play]12 SD KC 1 12 0 5 2 27 0 3.9 [play-by-play]13 SD CLE 0 0 0 4 2 54 0 5.4 [play-by-play]14 SD DAL 0 0 0 11 7 120 0 12.0 [play-by-play]15 SD CIN 0 0 0 7 5 108 2 22.8 [play-by-play]16 SD TEN 1 3 0 8 5 70 0 7.3 [play-by-play]19 SD NYJ 0 0 0 9 7 111 0 11.1 [play-by-play]This? In which he really only has 2 really bum games.I'll take that season long production, all day long

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Rather than fire up 20 different threads I thought I would just ask them all and see what the SP thinks. You don't have to answer them all and a few of them I'm sure will be hot button topics over others. Try not to allow the fact you might have drafted or already own a player cloud your ability to be objective. I have guys I loved in the Spring, in fact some that I drafted then that I am pretty lukewarm at best on right now. Thanks everyone.

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round?

I think so. I like Greene this year.

-Will Pittsburgh throw the ball as much as some think they will? No suspensions this year, lots of weapons, even the WR3/4 slots not his team have talent.

I would be very comfortable with Ben as my QB1 especially where you can get him.

-What is going on Kansas City? ABANDON SHIP!!!

Still love Charles but their schedule is much tougher this year.

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

No reason they won't put up similar #s as last year. McFadden looks great according to reports.

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy.

True but there is excellent value at QB if you wait.

-Why are people even questioning the selection of Arian Foster? Take Ben Tate in the 11th if you are really spooked. I could go out there and run for 1,200 yds and 10TD behind that line and I'm a slow Irishman.

No idea. Foster should be #1 in any format in any league.

-Why do we try and make every player we have interest in a shoe in for top12 at their position. There are 45 WRs off the board and I have to read how Shaky Mallow is gonna tear it up as the WR3 in San Fran. Just realize that not everybody is going to be a star.

-Thank Gawd for Dallas fans and their propensity to play in a lot of FF drafts. No question, just giving thanks.

-Why can't Miami see that they have no answer at QB? Why have they not accepted that they are competing in a pass 1st league?

Expect them to fix that next year.

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

Because he and Rivers look great and he could catch 12 TDs with over 1,000 yards.

-Why are people not scooping up Hillis and Turner in the 2nd and 3rd round instead of guys like Best and Felix who have not really proven to hold up well. Turner has had some injuries but he is steady production and now has a full passing attack in front of him. Hillis just continues to make me feel dumber and dumber for putting him down last year. Foolish on my part and I'm not going to make that mistake again. You can pick on Cleveland and the OL, you can say their offense is limited, but it sure couldn't be worse than last year and he was terrific for much of the season. I like him over guys like Gore right now who are worried about their bank account more because they know the end of the line is coming...you should too.

Like Hillis but Turner looks like it's going to end badly soon and I think Atlanta is gonna turn into a passing team.

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

I am not touching CJ2K this year. Wouldn't shock me one bit to see a pulled hamstring or something as soon as he signs.

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again?

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

No idea why this site has Andre has a unanomous #1. He's never hit 10 TDs. Calvin put up huge #s last year with Hill and Stanton. He could explode if Stafford stays healthy.

-Will the Bucs really be as good as last season? Is Blount really the answer and is he worth a 4th round pick right now?

I like Blount in the 4th because there is no competition for his job.

-What WRs or RBs are sure fire hits in the 2nd round? The 2nd and 3rd round seem very dicey to me as I watch the drafts.

Nothing is a sure thing but I've been seeing McFadden go in the early 2nd a lot lately. I'm passing on the group like Gore, Jackson, MJD, Forte, and Turner and grabbing Hillis, Greene, Felix, Ingram, Bradshaw, Best, or Blount later. Would much rather have Roddy, Fitzgerald or Nicks early in Round 2 or Jennings, Wallace, or V Jackson later in round two.

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL?

-Is it me or does New Orleans look they might run a lot more offense thru their RBs this year? Meaning it might go something like Ingram-40-50%, Pierre-30-35%(he looks great right now), Sproles 20-25% of all the Rb touches meaning none of them will be top 5-10, but there could be 2 of them in the top 20.

Yes and I think many are going to be disappointed owning Brees this year. Would much rather have Ben, Ryan or Stafford where you can draft them.

-Why do we get so emotional over something we have little to no control over? I don't really expect this one to be answered

If you answer mine I'll answer yours, deal?

 

[SSOG]

Its not his totals that bother me, its his week in week out production. He lays a lot of 2 catch, 30 yard games out there.

Wrong again. Vincent Jackson topped 50 receiving yards in 23 of 31 games from 2008 to 2009 (74%). He also topped 70 yards in 14 games. His 14 games with at least 1 TD in those two years ranked behind only Fitzgerald (20 games with a TD), and White/Moss/Calvin/Wayne (15 games with a TD). It's true that he had a lot of 2-catch games, but in non-PPR leagues, that's completely irrelevant. Receptions are non-statistics.People think because Jackson has a high YPC and low receptions, he's an inconsistent guy. Meanwhile, because a guy like Marshall has a low YPC and high receptions, people think he's consistent. That's nothing but bias and prejudice inconsistent with reality. Let's look at the 2008-2009 seasons again. Over that span, VJax put up 2265/16 over 31 games, while Marshall put up 2385/16 over 30 games- essentially identical numbers (with Marshall averaging ever so slightly more PPG, which should help him in terms of consistency). The only real difference between them was receptions- 127 for VJax (25th over that span), 205 for Marshall (3rd over that span).So, was Marshall more consistent? Not by half. Vincent Jackson had him beat in number of 5 point games (26 vs. 22), number of 7 point games (21 vs. 19), and number of 10 point games (17 vs. 14). Marshall, meanwhile, held the edge in 18 point games (8 to 5), 20 point games (5 to 4), and 25 point games (2 to 0). Marshall's best game was 32.0 points, vs. just 22.8 for VJax. In other words, Vincent Jackson was significantly more consistent, while Marshall was much more boom/bust. And yet, after the 2009 season, the meme was that Brandon Marshall was a rock from week to week, while Vincent Jackson was all over the map.Anyone who tells you that Vincent Jackson is an inconsistent WR is ignorant or uninformed. People are far too quick to use total receptions as a proxy for consistency, and the simple fact is that it's a piss-poor proxy.

 

[Raider Nation]

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

The 1,664 total yards and 10 TDs last year weren't convincing enough?

 

[Late225]

A note on Turner. Even if the Falcons do turn into a passing team, they'll still be scoring touchdowns on the ground. Look at the Colts, whenever Addai is healthy for a full season, he's a top 12 running back. No reason Turner shouldn't finish in the top 10. Unless Jacquizz and Snelling really cut into his touches which I don't think will happen.

 

[SSOG]

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

No idea why this site has Andre has a unanomous #1. He's never hit 10 TDs. Calvin put up huge #s last year with Hill and Stanton. He could explode if Stafford stays healthy.

First off, what has Stafford ever proven? People are talking like he's a sure-thing, but he has a sub-6.0 career ypa and a sub-70 career QB rating. Could he improve? Absolutely. Is it likely? Absolutely. Is it a lock? Absolutely not. It could turn out that Matthew Stafford is a downgrade from Shaun Hill.Second off, the reason people have Andre over Calvin is because since 2007 (the year Calvin first broke out), Andre Johnson has averaged a point and a half more per game in non-PPR leagues than Calvin (the disparity is even greater in PPR). Seriously, Andre has 302/4360/25 to Calvin's 222/3435/29 in the same number of games (45 each). That's 13.07 ppg vs. 11.73 ppg. Andre's worst PPG average over the last 3 years (12.84) is better than Calvin's best PPG average over the last 3 years (12.81). Andre's also more talented, and in a more stable situation.

 

[Irish Chaos]

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

No idea why this site has Andre has a unanomous #1. He's never hit 10 TDs. Calvin put up huge #s last year with Hill and Stanton. He could explode if Stafford stays healthy.

First off, what has Stafford ever proven? People are talking like he's a sure-thing, but he has a sub-6.0 career ypa and a sub-70 career QB rating. Could he improve? Absolutely. Is it likely? Absolutely. Is it a lock? Absolutely not. It could turn out that Matthew Stafford is a downgrade from Shaun Hill.Second off, the reason people have Andre over Calvin is because since 2007 (the year Calvin first broke out), Andre Johnson has averaged a point and a half more per game in non-PPR leagues than Calvin (the disparity is even greater in PPR). Seriously, Andre has 302/4360/25 to Calvin's 222/3435/29 in the same number of games (45 each). That's 13.07 ppg vs. 11.73 ppg. Andre's worst PPG average over the last 3 years (12.84) is better than Calvin's best PPG average over the last 3 years (12.81). Andre's also more talented, and in a more stable situation.

amazing stats here.

 

[Late225]

If you take out Stafford's week 1 where he got hurt, he scored more points per game than Vick last year. Vick's also a huge injury risk, but he's going QB2 while Stafford's going QB13.

 

[Late225]

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

No idea why this site has Andre has a unanomous #1. He's never hit 10 TDs. Calvin put up huge #s last year with Hill and Stanton. He could explode if Stafford stays healthy.

First off, what has Stafford ever proven? People are talking like he's a sure-thing, but he has a sub-6.0 career ypa and a sub-70 career QB rating. Could he improve? Absolutely. Is it likely? Absolutely. Is it a lock? Absolutely not. It could turn out that Matthew Stafford is a downgrade from Shaun Hill.Second off, the reason people have Andre over Calvin is because since 2007 (the year Calvin first broke out), Andre Johnson has averaged a point and a half more per game in non-PPR leagues than Calvin (the disparity is even greater in PPR). Seriously, Andre has 302/4360/25 to Calvin's 222/3435/29 in the same number of games (45 each). That's 13.07 ppg vs. 11.73 ppg. Andre's worst PPG average over the last 3 years (12.84) is better than Calvin's best PPG average over the last 3 years (12.81). Andre's also more talented, and in a more stable situation.

amazing stats here.

They'd be more amazing if they were correct. He scored 13 touchdowns in his rookie season.He also scored 6 last year... in two games.

 

[rizzler]

If you take out Stafford's week 1 where he got hurt, he scored more points per game than Vick last year. Vick's also a huge injury risk, but he's going QB2 while Stafford's going QB13.

Where's the facepalm when you need it?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

No idea why this site has Andre has a unanomous #1. He's never hit 10 TDs. Calvin put up huge #s last year with Hill and Stanton. He could explode if Stafford stays healthy.

First off, what has Stafford ever proven? People are talking like he's a sure-thing, but he has a sub-6.0 career ypa and a sub-70 career QB rating. Could he improve? Absolutely. Is it likely? Absolutely. Is it a lock? Absolutely not. It could turn out that Matthew Stafford is a downgrade from Shaun Hill.Second off, the reason people have Andre over Calvin is because since 2007 (the year Calvin first broke out), Andre Johnson has averaged a point and a half more per game in non-PPR leagues than Calvin (the disparity is even greater in PPR). Seriously, Andre has 302/4360/25 to Calvin's 222/3435/29 in the same number of games (45 each). That's 13.07 ppg vs. 11.73 ppg. Andre's worst PPG average over the last 3 years (12.84) is better than Calvin's best PPG average over the last 3 years (12.81). Andre's also more talented, and in a more stable situation.

Stafford may end up sucking but can you really not see how much more talented he is compared to Hill and Stanton? Calvin first broke out in 2007.... try 2008. Regardless, what do stats from previous years have to do with anything moving forward (Do you rank Hillis over Chris Johnson)? 2007 stats aren't going to win anything in 2011.I'm not putting Andre down... he's great. But he's never scored double digit TDs and now plays on a team where Arian Foster is the clear #1 option. Calvin put up great numbers with two below avg. QBs and has the upside for 1,500 yards and 18 TDs. He may not reach that number but I'll take the upside any day moving forward.

By the way, what had Jon Stewart ever proven before you were slobbering over him?

 

[coolnerd]

I would trade your twenty question for the last twenty threads started in the Shark Pool...good work.

 

[Late225]

If you take out Stafford's week 1 where he got hurt, he scored more points per game than Vick last year. Vick's also a huge injury risk, but he's going QB2 while Stafford's going QB13.

Where's the facepalm when you need it?

I like this oneBut what's not to like about the value at QB13?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I would trade your twenty question for the last twenty threads started in the Shark Pool...good work.

TY Cool, and nice job so far. SSOG really getting after it. I think Im taking Vincent Jackson with the #2 overall pick tonight.

 

[Sweetness_34]

-How is Chicago going to move the football with the worst OL in the NFL?

It is not such a bad OL. The OL got much better in the 2nd half of last year after the bye .... this was because Garza got back. Now they have added Carimi who is going to be a very solid RT and letting Kreutz go is actually not bad given he could not stop anyone from bull rushing him. See how well the OL did against the Giants in NY in the 2nd pre season game. Also, remember the Bears O score 20+ points against the Eagles and Jets in the 2nd half of last year.

 

[SSOG]

They'd be more amazing if they were correct. He scored 13 touchdowns in his rookie season.He also scored 6 last year... in two games.

Well then, those stats must be even more amazing, because they're correct. If you disagree, why not start out by telling me which stat I posted that is incorrect.

Stafford may end up sucking but can you really not see how much more talented he is compared to Hill and Stanton? Calvin first broke out in 2007.... try 2008. Regardless, what do stats from previous years have to do with anything moving forward (Do you rank Hillis over Chris Johnson)? 2007 stats aren't going to win anything in 2011.I'm not putting Andre down... he's great. But he's never scored double digit TDs and now plays on a team where Arian Foster is the clear #1 option. Calvin put up great numbers with two below avg. QBs and has the upside for 1,500 yards and 18 TDs. He may not reach that number but I'll take the upside any day moving forward.By the way, what had Jon Stewart ever proven before you were slobbering over him?

Hmmm... where to start...1. I thought Stafford was wildly overrated coming into the league based on a surprisingly mediocre college career. He has done nothing since then to change my mind. Again, sub-6.0 ypa, sub-70 QB rating. Is he more talented than Shaun Hill? Almost certainly... but is he a better QB? That remains to be seen. I'd say it's likely (Shaun Hill isn't a high bar to clear), I'm just pointing out how he's done nothing to warrant the certainty people have been using when discussing him.2. You're correct that Calvin broke out in 2008. That was a typo on my part- the statistics I provided were from the last 3 seasons, which means 2008-2010. 3. What do stats from previous years have to do with stats going forward? Well, for starters, there's a huge correlation between previous performance and future performance. Your Hillis/Chris Johnson comparison is absurd, since I gave a 3 year history (Andre Johnson's worst season from the last 3 years is better than Calvin Johnson's best).4. The whole "Andre's never topped 10 TDs" is both misleading and irrelevant. For starters, unless you're playing in a TD-only league, I fail to see why everyone should fixate on TD totals to the exclusion of everything else. When last I checked, yards count too. Calvin Johnson has never topped 85 yards per game, while AJ has been over 90 yards per game every single year for FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS. For finishers, Andre had 8 TDs in 9 games in 2007, so... yeah.5. Jon Stewart is another terrible comparison. You know who holds the NFL record for most rushing yards in his first 3 NFL starts? Yup- Jonathan Stewart (Arian Foster ranks second). Stewart has a top-12 and a top-24 finish under his belt. Stewart has 4.7 career ypc. Stewart has proven a million times more on the football field than Matthew Freaking "67.1 career QB rating" Stafford.

 

[SSOG]

I would trade your twenty question for the last twenty threads started in the Shark Pool...good work.

TY Cool, and nice job so far. SSOG really getting after it. I think Im taking Vincent Jackson with the #2 overall pick tonight.

Even over Brandon Lloyd? Or are you counting on Lloyd going #1 overall?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I would trade your twenty question for the last twenty threads started in the Shark Pool...good work.

TY Cool, and nice job so far. SSOG really getting after it. I think Im taking Vincent Jackson with the #2 overall pick tonight.

Even over Brandon Lloyd? Or are you counting on Lloyd going #1 overall?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

They'd be more amazing if they were correct. He scored 13 touchdowns in his rookie season.He also scored 6 last year... in two games.

Well then, those stats must be even more amazing, because they're correct. If you disagree, why not start out by telling me which stat I posted that is incorrect.

Stafford may end up sucking but can you really not see how much more talented he is compared to Hill and Stanton? Calvin first broke out in 2007.... try 2008. Regardless, what do stats from previous years have to do with anything moving forward (Do you rank Hillis over Chris Johnson)? 2007 stats aren't going to win anything in 2011.I'm not putting Andre down... he's great. But he's never scored double digit TDs and now plays on a team where Arian Foster is the clear #1 option. Calvin put up great numbers with two below avg. QBs and has the upside for 1,500 yards and 18 TDs. He may not reach that number but I'll take the upside any day moving forward.By the way, what had Jon Stewart ever proven before you were slobbering over him?

Hmmm... where to start...1. I thought Stafford was wildly overrated coming into the league based on a surprisingly mediocre college career. He has done nothing since then to change my mind. Again, sub-6.0 ypa, sub-70 QB rating. Is he more talented than Shaun Hill? Almost certainly... but is he a better QB? That remains to be seen. I'd say it's likely (Shaun Hill isn't a high bar to clear), I'm just pointing out how he's done nothing to warrant the certainty people have been using when discussing him.2. You're correct that Calvin broke out in 2008. That was a typo on my part- the statistics I provided were from the last 3 seasons, which means 2008-2010. 3. What do stats from previous years have to do with stats going forward? Well, for starters, there's a huge correlation between previous performance and future performance. Your Hillis/Chris Johnson comparison is absurd, since I gave a 3 year history (Andre Johnson's worst season from the last 3 years is better than Calvin Johnson's best).4. The whole "Andre's never topped 10 TDs" is both misleading and irrelevant. For starters, unless you're playing in a TD-only league, I fail to see why everyone should fixate on TD totals to the exclusion of everything else. When last I checked, yards count too. Calvin Johnson has never topped 85 yards per game, while AJ has been over 90 yards per game every single year for FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS. For finishers, Andre had 8 TDs in 9 games in 2007, so... yeah.5. Jon Stewart is another terrible comparison. You know who holds the NFL record for most rushing yards in his first 3 NFL starts? Yup- Jonathan Stewart (Arian Foster ranks second). Stewart has a top-12 and a top-24 finish under his belt. Stewart has 4.7 career ypc. Stewart has proven a million times more on the football field than Matthew Freaking "67.1 career QB rating" Stafford.

Why are you so angry? You're responses sound like a teenage girl.Andre had 8 TD in 9 games. Still not 10. You should figure that out on your own since you are a stats lover. You think Stafford isn't very good. I do. Guess we'll find out but this thread isn't about Stafford. You're having a total meltdown over #1 vs #2 at WR. You take Andre. I'll take Calvin. I bet we both would be happy at the end of the year.

 

[timschochet]

I'll do my best.

1. No. No. It will be Greene's, but he won't be great value. LT will be no value.

2. Pittsburgh will throw, but not as much as people think. I think Mendenhall is undervalued.

3. KC will be awful this year. Charles will be a bust.

4. No. McFadden will be good, but not great.

5. Brady will be excellent, but so will Rodgers, Brees and Romo. Little to choose between them, IMO. I expect the four of them to be slightly better than Peyton Manning, Vick, and Rivers.

6. Foster deserves the top spot in every draft.

7. I don't know.

8. OK

9. Give Henne another year. Maybe he'll learn something. Brees wasn't great at first.

10. Jackson looks like a stud. He always has. Maybe this year he'll prove it on the field.

Gotta run. More later.

 

[jon_mx]

I am hoping to get Chris Johnson at #9....please, please..

 

[SSOG]

Why are you so angry? You're responses sound like a teenage girl.Andre had 8 TD in 9 games. Still not 10. You should figure that out on your own since you are a stats lover. You think Stafford isn't very good. I do. Guess we'll find out but this thread isn't about Stafford. You're having a total meltdown over #1 vs #2 at WR. You take Andre. I'll take Calvin. I bet we both would be happy at the end of the year.

You're projecting emotions onto me. I'm not angry or emotional. I'm not melting down. I'm discussing Andre Johnson vs. Calvin Johnson. Someone said he didn't understand why everyone liked Andre over Calvin. I explained why. You then argued the point with me (and if we're going to talk about someone being "angry" or "sounding like a teenage girl", shouldn't we start the conversation with the guy who accused me of slobbering all over Jonathan Stewart- an accusation which is both inflammatory and irrelevant to the discussion at hand?). I argued back. That's how debates work- one party questions the other's arguments, then the other party defends those arguments. Nowhere in that sequence do you see "accuse the other party of sounding like a teenage girl".

 

[adrenaline]

-Will S.Greene actually be able to hold his spot all season? Is LT value in the 11th round?

Once I'm burned by a player like I was last season he has to prove himself before I take a shot on him again. I like Powell more than LT.

-Will Pittsburgh throw the ball as much as some think they will? No suspensions this year, lots of weapons, even the WR3/4 slots not his team have talent.

I expect it will be much like the final 12 last season,a lot of passing with Mendy stealing the TDs.

-Can Oakland really pull it together on offense and justify the 1st round selection of DMC?

Not sure about Oakland, am sure DMac proved his worth last season.

-Why are people not tripping over themselves to select Tom Brady? He seems like a shoe in for 4,000+ yes and 35+ TDs with the revamped offense. Guy is in his prime, HoF QB, HoF HC, this just seems too easy.

I think people are unsure/less than thrilled with his weapons. I agree with you, he always finds a way to get it done.

-Thank Gawd for Dallas fans and their propensity to play in a lot of FF drafts. No question, just giving thanks.

I hate Dallas & their bandwagon fans from the early '90s.

-Why is Vincent Jackson going so early? He's never caught 70 balls in his 5 years in the league.

You're preaching to the choir bro.

-Why are people not scooping up Hillis and Turner in the 2nd and 3rd round instead of guys like Best and Felix who have not really proven to hold up well. Turner has had some injuries but he is steady production and now has a full passing attack in front of him. Hillis just continues to make me feel dumber and dumber for putting him down last year. Foolish on my part and I'm not going to make that mistake again. You can pick on Cleveland and the OL, you can say their offense is limited, but it sure couldn't be worse than last year and he was terrific for much of the season. I like him over guys like Gore right now who are worried about their bank account more because they know the end of the line is coming...you should too.

I like Hillis, I never thought Hardesty was all that + coming back from injury.

Turner is at that age & appears to be slowing down, I can see Rodgers getting a significant amount of carries by the end of the season.

I think Best is a case of people being overeager to find the next CJ3 or Charles.

I do like Felix because he's exciting to watch I'm just not sure I believe in him, if Murray could ever stay healthy I think he's the best back in Dallas.

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

In a FBG IDP Big Play Survivor I took CJ3 at 11 & got Shady on the way back.

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

Yeah, I'm pretty high on Mario too. I traded for him in 2 leagues & drafted him today in the 4th round of a 16 team league today because I didn't think he would be there when it got back to me.

 

[Captain Hook]

-What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

What happens to those teams in Week 1 when Johnson is likely NOT to play even IF signed?

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

Not sure but I have Super Mario on several teams so far - just hope he keeps falling in the Big ones in a few weeks.....

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again?

I doubt it - I think the Cardinals go at least 9-7 but they should win the division again

-Is Stafford the biggest upside QB after the top10-12 come off the board? If so why? If he is healthy doesn't that make Calvin Johnson a clear cut #1WR overall in FF?

ummmm YES

Good Thread Sean

 

[faux_bear]

What happens to the teams that have taken Chris Johnson at the #6-#9 holes the last few weeks after he signs? These teams are going to have a huge advantage whenever he shows up. It would seem this is going to get done sooner than later.

I would agree with this except that I think that there really isn't an advantage-producing difference in value between the players you would select in the middle of the second through the middle of the third rounds. So taking Chris Johnson later in the first round wouldn't really net you value in the next couple of rounds.

 

[tenaka]

Its not his totals that bother me, its his week in week out production. He lays a lot of 2 catch, 30 yard games out there.

Wrong again. Vincent Jackson topped 50 receiving yards in 23 of 31 games from 2008 to 2009 (74%). He also topped 70 yards in 14 games. His 14 games with at least 1 TD in those two years ranked behind only Fitzgerald (20 games with a TD), and White/Moss/Calvin/Wayne (15 games with a TD). It's true that he had a lot of 2-catch games, but in non-PPR leagues, that's completely irrelevant. Receptions are non-statistics.People think because Jackson has a high YPC and low receptions, he's an inconsistent guy. Meanwhile, because a guy like Marshall has a low YPC and high receptions, people think he's consistent. That's nothing but bias and prejudice inconsistent with reality. Let's look at the 2008-2009 seasons again. Over that span, VJax put up 2265/16 over 31 games, while Marshall put up 2385/16 over 30 games- essentially identical numbers (with Marshall averaging ever so slightly more PPG, which should help him in terms of consistency). The only real difference between them was receptions- 127 for VJax (25th over that span), 205 for Marshall (3rd over that span).So, was Marshall more consistent? Not by half. Vincent Jackson had him beat in number of 5 point games (26 vs. 22), number of 7 point games (21 vs. 19), and number of 10 point games (17 vs. 14). Marshall, meanwhile, held the edge in 18 point games (8 to 5), 20 point games (5 to 4), and 25 point games (2 to 0). Marshall's best game was 32.0 points, vs. just 22.8 for VJax. In other words, Vincent Jackson was significantly more consistent, while Marshall was much more boom/bust. And yet, after the 2009 season, the meme was that Brandon Marshall was a rock from week to week, while Vincent Jackson was all over the map.Anyone who tells you that Vincent Jackson is an inconsistent WR is ignorant or uninformed. People are far too quick to use total receptions as a proxy for consistency, and the simple fact is that it's a piss-poor proxy.

Not using reception totals at all. Using week in week out numbers. I'm not sure where anyone claimed Marshall was the model of consistancy. And no one is calling Jax a bum either. 14 games under 10 points out of 31 is pitiful and exactly my point.Maybe you can compare him to Lee Evans next? That'll prove .... something...

 

[Time Kibitzer]

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

It's funny, I think the appropriate answer to this question can be found earlier in your question pack:

-Why do we try and make every player we have interest in a shoe in for top12 at their position. There are 45 WRs off the board and I have to read how Shaky Mallow is gonna tear it up as the WR3 in San Fran. Just realize that not everybody is going to be a star.

 

[Reepicheep]

-How much are you going to hate Mario Manningham cracking the top12 knowing you whiffed on him at least once or twice in the draft?

Just can't get myself to bet on Eli having another career year. If you've got Manningham in the top 12 and presumably Nicks in the top 5, are you putting Eli ahead of Ryan, Ben, Freeman, Stafford, etc?

-Is 8-8 going to take the NFC West again?

I'm going with 9-7. But will this be the fourth year in a row that the NFC division paired with the NFC west sends two teams to the playoffs, with the division winner getting a first round bye?2008: Giants #1, Eagles #6, combined 8-0 against NFCW

2009: Vikings #2, Packers #5, combined 7-1 against NFCW

2010: Falcons #1, Saints #5, combined 7-1 against NFCW

Rethinking my position on Manning having a career year since it's the NFC east up to bat again.