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2008- the Year Fantasy Football Died? (1 Viewer)

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drdgreenlove

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Like many, I have been playing for years. I have made a concerted effort to limit the leagues I'm on to not get overcommitted.

Having said that, I think this is my fantasy football swan song.

Here are the problems with Fantasy Football 2008

1) Where are the studs?

Sure we are only 5 weeks in... but Tom Brady- out. Peyton manning- semibust. Tomlinson- bust. All Day- semibust. Stephen Jackson- bust. Randy Moss- semibust. Addai- semibust. Marshawn- semibust. (edit- I called Reggie Wayne a bust which he is not)

I cannot remember a year when so many preseason top picks were busts. Of FBG's presseason top 12- only 3.. Portis, Gore, and MBIII are performing. Consensuus picks 1-7 are all disappointing or busts (albeit some due to injury)

2) RBBC-

I remember the good old days when a RB would get 20-25 carries a game. Not anymore. Sure, we have to adapt.. but it is annoying that a backup RB gets the TDs or worse yet gets 1/2 the carries.. it makes an unpredictable game even less predictable. For example, who would have thought that Felix Jones would get so many carries? And then when people count on him, he gets 0 carries in week 4. How many RBs are not in RBBC? Very few. Of those, how many are perfroming as RB1 in fantasy football? Even less..

3) Rookies- Too many rookies are now doing well. Forte, Chris Johnson, McFadden, Stewart, Desean Jackson, Felix Jones, Royal.. THey may not keep it up.. But it stinks because rookies are less reliable but now more featured than ever.

What does everyone think? Is Fantasy Football a dying sport? If not, give me new reasons to love it!!!

 
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drdgreenlove said:
Like many, I have been playing for years. I have made a concerted effort to limit the leagues I'm on to not get overcommitted.

Having said that, I think this is my fantasy football swan song.

Here are the problems with Fantasy Football 2008

1) Where are the studs?

Sure we are only 5 weeks in... but Tom Brady- out. Peyton manning- semibust. Tomlinson- bust. All Day- semibust. Stephen Jackson- bust. Randy Moss- semibust. Reggie Wayne- bust. Addai- semibust. Marshawn- semibust.

I cannot remember a year when so many preseason top picks were busts. Of FBG's presseason top 12- only 3.. Portis, Gore, and MBIII are performing. Consensuus picks 1-7 are all disappointing or busts (albeit some due to injury)

2) RBBC-

I remember the good old days when a RB would get 20-25 carries a game. Not anymore. Sure, we have to adapt.. but it is annoying that a backup RB gets the TDs or worse yet gets 1/2 the carries.. it makes an unpredictable game even less predictable. For example, who would have thought that Felix Jones would get so many carries? And then when people count on him, he gets 0 carries in week 4. How many RBs are not in RBBC? Very few. Of those, how many are perfroming as RB1 in fantasy football? Even less..

3) Rookies- Too many rookies are now doing well. Forte, Chris Johnson, McFadden, Stewart, Desean Jackson, Felix Jones, Royal.. THey may not keep it up.. But it stinks because rookies are less reliable but now more featured than ever.

What does everyone think? Is Fantasy Football a dying sport? If not, give me new reasons to love it!!!
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Point #1--Doesn't this happen almost every year? Not sure that this year is much different...Point #2--As a DeAngelo Williams/Jonathan Stewart owner (who started Stewart this week), I hear ya. With that said... so what?

Point #3--Are you playing dynasty leagues? If not--you should be. That's great fun, when a rookie that you had a gut feeling about performs at a high level.

 
What an insightful post. I'm pretty sure someone has said the exact same thing every year I've ever played fantasy football.

 
Every season is different. A few years back stud QB was all the rage because Culpepper and Manning were having career years. Then it was the LT show. Last season it was Moss and Brady ftw.

Things never work out the way we expect them to. If they did, FF wouldn't be much fun.

 
And on point #2, I thought someone had studied and shown that RB2s carries were coming from RB3 and RB4 and that RB1 was getting just as many carries as he always does.

 
I'm just confused by the season. It does make u do more homework but does homework really matter? I may as well stop all the research and just wing it. I keep thinking there is no way my team should be where it is now but it is. I have on my dynasty team players that include Cutler, Eli, Lynch, MBIII, Jacobs, Marshall, Megatron, Holmes, Scheffler and at the end of the night I will be 3-2. I thought I had a monster team going in.

Not complaining but this hobby is tough and at the end of the day...............fair I guess :goodposting:

 
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drdgreenlove said:
Like many, I have been playing for years. I have made a concerted effort to limit the leagues I'm on to not get overcommitted.

Having said that, I think this is my fantasy football swan song.

Here are the problems with Fantasy Football 2008

1) Where are the studs?

Sure we are only 5 weeks in... but Tom Brady- out. Peyton manning- semibust. Tomlinson- bust. All Day- semibust. Stephen Jackson- bust. Randy Moss- semibust. Reggie Wayne- bust. Addai- semibust. Marshawn- semibust.

I cannot remember a year when so many preseason top picks were busts. Of FBG's presseason top 12- only 3.. Portis, Gore, and MBIII are performing. Consensuus picks 1-7 are all disappointing or busts (albeit some due to injury)

2) RBBC-

I remember the good old days when a RB would get 20-25 carries a game. Not anymore. Sure, we have to adapt.. but it is annoying that a backup RB gets the TDs or worse yet gets 1/2 the carries.. it makes an unpredictable game even less predictable. For example, who would have thought that Felix Jones would get so many carries? And then when people count on him, he gets 0 carries in week 4. How many RBs are not in RBBC? Very few. Of those, how many are perfroming as RB1 in fantasy football? Even less..

3) Rookies- Too many rookies are now doing well. Forte, Chris Johnson, McFadden, Stewart, Desean Jackson, Felix Jones, Royal.. THey may not keep it up.. But it stinks because rookies are less reliable but now more featured than ever.

What does everyone think? Is Fantasy Football a dying sport? If not, give me new reasons to love it!!!
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It's all out there. It's just gotten away from buying a $10 magazine and winning championships. Sorry if it's too much work for you. If you don't like it, go join a bowling league or something.
 
Uhm...how is Reggie Wayne a bust?? 350 yards and 3 TDs in 4 games is pretty much the definition of a stud WR. What more do you want?

If you are a true shark, you will learn to adapt to these trends. If not, you get left behind, feel frustrated, and make comments that 2008 is the year Fantasy Football died

 
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I guess if you were fortunate enough to grab one of the 3 you mentioned in the first round and backed it up pretty good during the rest of your draft, you're probably in pretty good shape in your league.

It just goes to show, luck has more to do with this game than anything.

 
I agree that with the way things are going it seems like its much more difficult to dominate a league regardless of how stacked your team is.

I guess the plus side to that is if your team isn't that great you still have a shot.

 
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drdgreenlove said:
Like many, I have been playing for years. I have made a concerted effort to limit the leagues I'm on to not get overcommitted.

Having said that, I think this is my fantasy football swan song.

Here are the problems with Fantasy Football 2008

1) Where are the studs?

Sure we are only 5 weeks in... but Tom Brady- out. Peyton manning- semibust. Tomlinson- bust. All Day- semibust. Stephen Jackson- bust. Randy Moss- semibust. Reggie Wayne- bust. Addai- semibust. Marshawn- semibust.

I cannot remember a year when so many preseason top picks were busts. Of FBG's presseason top 12- only 3.. Portis, Gore, and MBIII are performing. Consensuus picks 1-7 are all disappointing or busts (albeit some due to injury)

2) RBBC-

I remember the good old days when a RB would get 20-25 carries a game. Not anymore. Sure, we have to adapt.. but it is annoying that a backup RB gets the TDs or worse yet gets 1/2 the carries.. it makes an unpredictable game even less predictable. For example, who would have thought that Felix Jones would get so many carries? And then when people count on him, he gets 0 carries in week 4. How many RBs are not in RBBC? Very few. Of those, how many are perfroming as RB1 in fantasy football? Even less..

3) Rookies- Too many rookies are now doing well. Forte, Chris Johnson, McFadden, Stewart, Desean Jackson, Felix Jones, Royal.. THey may not keep it up.. But it stinks because rookies are less reliable but now more featured than ever.

What does everyone think? Is Fantasy Football a dying sport? If not, give me new reasons to love it!!!
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It's all out there. It's just gotten away from buying a $10 magazine and winning championships. Sorry if it's too much work for you. If you don't like it, go join a bowling league or something.
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Owners that are winning thus far this season, or any season, respond with the sort of reply above. Owners that are losing respond as the OP has. I have great teams barely at .500 thus far and less than great teams that are undefeated... It's FFootball. Lots of luck involved and the type of league that you play also matters (i.e.) HTH, Total Points, etc...

 
yeltneb said:
And on point #2, I thought someone had studied and shown that RB2s carries were coming from RB3 and RB4 and that RB1 was getting just as many carries as he always does.
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I remember reading that study and found it fascinating. I couldn't find it again, though. Anyone remember the post link?
 
Who's the better fantasy player, the guy winning with LT as his #1 RB or the guy winning with a guy like McClain as his #1 RB?

I think the later. Adversity makes better players. Show me a winning team with a bunch of non-stud, rag-tag, put together from scratch players and I'll show you a good owner.

 
Parity has hit FF.

It used to be the guys with the top 5 picks were locks for huge years. Not so anymore.

The stud RB theory is out the window as well. The last two years in my main league I have went with the stud WR theory. And picked off RBs in the 3rd and 4th.

I thought people want CHANGE??

 
It's the year of the rookie running backs. Thats why I've always said the mid-late rounds are where you win in FF. The first three rounds are pretty much automatic.

 
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I started playing this game in 1991, there was very few fantasy books out there and even harder to find them. Now there is a ton of informtation that has allowed even non savy owners in most league competitive. It use to be the guys that knew more about the NFL and its players were the better fantasy players. This still hold trues but not aa much with all the info out there.

Over the past couple of years the NFL game has changed and I'm not sure a lot of old war horse fantasy players have changed with it. When the NFL changed some rules to open up the passing game more teams looked for OC that like to pass and this opened the game up even more. Depending on the scoring system the WR and QB values have jumped over the last 5 years, and if you did not change with it you are being left behind.

RBBC has hurt some RB situations but it has also made more options for a teams to pick from. Yes there is fewer stud backs, but there are more options out there to put points on the board for your team.

You have to be able to adapt not only to how the game changes but to how each draft flows. No two drafts are the same and you have to be ready for anything to happen. I see people chasing RBs for the first two rounds when each pick could be better spent at another spot and allow the team to score points. FBG got me onto taking a TE early in the draft some years ago after reading and article and looking at the cheatsheet with my scoring system. When I took Gonzo in RD 3 the room went nuts, end of the year I had 10 wins and the highest scoring team. This team lost in the final four, but since then every year some guy makes the comment how I started the trend in the league to get the top TE early.

There is no way this sport is dieing, it is growing and getting better. There are so many ways to play the game, you just need to find which one suits you. Info is out there to help just have to take the time to process and enjoy it. We all know injuries can screw any team, but that is part of this AWESOME game!!!

 
Not me, after being decimated by injuries the past few years, my team is crushing the league so far :confused:

 
i am having my most horrible fantasy season in my career. But i play in dynasty and hold my own 1st round pick.

Gotta keep my head up but if all else fails....Beanie is on my radar.

 
prosopis said:
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA said:
i am having my most horrible fantasy season in my career. But i play in dynasty and hold my own 1st round pick.Gotta keep my head up but if all else fails....Beanie is on my radar.
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Career?Really? :goodposting:
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yeah, i would call it a career, hell it seems that way...over 12+ years.I can recall, Kordell Stewert being da playa everyone wanted. Remember playing Edgar Bennett, Marcus Allen and other old great names.But this my worst year thus far.....But i draft my teams well so no crying....just might not be UCB yeah this year. :fro:
 
drdgreenlove said:
Like many, I have been playing for years. I have made a concerted effort to limit the leagues I'm on to not get overcommitted.

Having said that, I think this is my fantasy football swan song.

Here are the problems with Fantasy Football 2008

1) Where are the studs?

Sure we are only 5 weeks in... but Tom Brady- out. Peyton manning- semibust. Tomlinson- bust. All Day- semibust. Stephen Jackson- bust. Randy Moss- semibust. Reggie Wayne- bust. Addai- semibust. Marshawn- semibust.

I cannot remember a year when so many preseason top picks were busts. Of FBG's presseason top 12- only 3.. Portis, Gore, and MBIII are performing. Consensuus picks 1-7 are all disappointing or busts (albeit some due to injury)

2) RBBC-

I remember the good old days when a RB would get 20-25 carries a game. Not anymore. Sure, we have to adapt.. but it is annoying that a backup RB gets the TDs or worse yet gets 1/2 the carries.. it makes an unpredictable game even less predictable. For example, who would have thought that Felix Jones would get so many carries? And then when people count on him, he gets 0 carries in week 4. How many RBs are not in RBBC? Very few. Of those, how many are perfroming as RB1 in fantasy football? Even less..

3) Rookies- Too many rookies are now doing well. Forte, Chris Johnson, McFadden, Stewart, Desean Jackson, Felix Jones, Royal.. THey may not keep it up.. But it stinks because rookies are less reliable but now more featured than ever.

What does everyone think? Is Fantasy Football a dying sport? If not, give me new reasons to love it!!!
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#1- the NFL has parity from top to bottom, same with the players. a lot of similar talent when it comes to players

#2- agree

#3- love rookies contributing more and more. great for dynasty leagues which I play in

bottom line is FF is being more and more luck every year

 
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA said:
i am having my most horrible fantasy season in my career.
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:thumbup: :( :angry: :angry: I still have fun...but instead of fun cheering for my players, it's a different kind of fun. Now, the fun is swearing at my players for not doing anything or swearing at the boatload of injuries I've had this year. Swearing at football...just like when I watch the Lions play. :lol:
 
I had the best record in the league last year in 4 leagues..........

I have the best record in the league this year in 4 leagues ........

Adjust , adapt ....and research.

 
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA said:
prosopis said:
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA said:
i am having my most horrible fantasy season in my career. But i play in dynasty and hold my own 1st round pick.

Gotta keep my head up but if all else fails....Beanie is on my radar.
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Career?Really?

:rolleyes:
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I can recall, Kordell Stewert being da playa everyone wanted.
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preface, i live in Pittsburgh.i remember Kordell went 4th overall the year he was supposed to reach stud-level.

-biz-

 
gbill2004 said:
If you are a true shark, you will learn to adapt to these trends. If not, you get left behind, feel frustrated, and make comments that 2008 is the year Fantasy Football died
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I agree with this, but the thing that kills me is injuries. Especially if you are in deep leagues. I am in a 14 teamer, and if your team gets decimated with injuries it's all over, I don't care what kind of drafter you are.
 
Every year is different as NFL adapt to trends and personnel. Too many in FF simply look at fantasy points and not the situations of how those points were scored. Perfect example is AP. His whole season last year revolved around 5 or 6 huge PLAYS, yet everyone ignored the large number of games he disappears in, and now are complaining that he is a bust. Same concept with Holmes. All you had to do was research how he was used and look at the PIT draft and it wasnt too hard to think that maybe last year is going to be his career season. People who win with studs arent really very good at FF, try winning with no studs and you'll have more fun. Dynasty is great for that because you have to predict studliness really early in careers.

 
My experience has been that the ff regular season is about 75% skill and 25% luck. The ff playoffs on the other hand are about 25% skill and 75% luck.

 
Mimo said:
I'm just confused by the season. It does make u do more homework but does homework really matter?
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Isn't the "homework" part of your enjoyment of the hobby?No matter how much you prepare, things are not always going to go as expected. Its the nature of the beast. No matter how much message board posters want to deny it there's alot of luck involved since we don't actually control the results and things that "should" happen, often don't.Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
 
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Anthony Borbely said:
Wu-banger said:
I had the best record in the league last year in 4 leagues..........

I have the best record in the league this year in 4 leagues ........

Adjust , adapt ....and research play in guppy leagues.
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Fixed.Sorry, you left yourself wide open. :goodposting:
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yep... I lobbed a softball ..... just didnt think a staff member would drop down low enough to swing at it.Besides .....they are all 200+ Buyins so the more guppies with money the better.

 
Back in the day, there was no internet and only a couple of mags that had any value. So, those that had the best mags won. Then the advent of the internet and sites like FBG, meanwhile more decent mags out (even though now the info was stale compared to the innerwebs). Now the web savvy people had an advantage, but parity set in to the rest of the league due to more available info.

Now, the game itself is changing and you either adapt or fall back to the herd.

There is a guy in our league that was complaining that scoring is down this year (despite no changes to our scoring system)...I pointed out to him that several people are scoring higher this year than in the past, so maybe he just drafted poorly. Adapt or die.

 
I would agree with "adapt or die". I would also say that "adapt or die" should involve more than "get lucky".

Most of us want to feel like we have a decent team, and have tried to put a decent team together. If you lose a game, you at least hope your guys put up points and the other guy beat you.

This year, I suspect most of the frustration comes from so many guys you were counting on putting up big points one week and almost nothing the next. Because of the factors already listed - no studs, RBCC, rookies - we are seeing lots of games where "stars" get left out of the game plans now.

 
Fantasy Football is alive as it ever was.

Let me guess you drafted Westbrook, Colston and Carson Palmer right?

Having all of these players only makes it easier for guys who are casual players get lucky or have an option every week. So you take a few more losses when a WW pickup gets 30 points in one week, that makes it a little more interesting for EVERYONE. Do you want to keep being the perennial my team sucks/injured/busts so I won't set my lineup guy? Or do you want to work a little more to get the edge EVERY week?

I am having the most fun with FF right now, mostly due to luck. The guys I wanted to draft did not fit on my board so I went a different direction and somehow I avoided the injury bug so far. I was going to reach early in round 2 in both of my leagues for Colston, instead kept to my list and got lucky. I have two great teams but have lost a combined three games to the LOWEST team in both leagues due to key WW pickups by the other guy. That is what makes it fun and today's NFL is going to keep allowing this to happen.

 
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