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Thorpe
Footballguy
Why? The Bills already have a slow over-rated LB. I'd like to see Michael Johnson, Orakpo, or Taylor Mays.
scott72
Footballguy
0-16...Nuff said..Trade down..
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I think Posluzny and Mitchell are fine. I really think Ellison hurts the team and Crowell won't be back. I'd like to draft Maualuga in the 1st and then DE in the second. Chris Ellis got hurt and would like to see another year out of him instead of the Kelsay, Denny swap. I wouldn't mind a ball hawking FS either.
scott72
Footballguy
You're crazy. He's being compared to Polamalu when he played LB. He's gonna be a beast..
Thorpe
Footballguy
Poz is all hype IMO. Slow, no athleticism, and horrible instincts. Hopefully, he is still recovering from his knee injury and the instincts will come from experience, but right now it looks to me like the Bills drafted him solely to sell jerseys. Mitchell will make a few plays here and there but he also has no speed or athleticism. Ellison is a good backup LB. Maybe Crowell comes back strong or maybe Bowen from last years draft has the speed the Bills need at LB. I think the Bills have greater needs than LB to address with the first pick.
Thorpe
Footballguy
Are you thinking about Lofa Tatupu? Palamalu never played LB. IMO, the best player USC has is Taylor Mays. 6'3" 235 with sprinter speed.
scott72
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure Palamalu played some LB and some safety at USC...
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Crowell wont be back because of a fall-out with the coaches when he asked for surgery just days before the opener when he had the injury all pre-season. As long as the first 2 of the first 3 picks are LB, DE, DT, S I'll be happy. I do like Mays. Langston Walker is embarrasing too, We rarely ran the play action pass because Walker wouldn't be able to hold a block and Edwards would get creamed. Ahhh way to many problems to address on O too. Like Center or RT and TE and FB. Hopefully they address some in free agency!
Thorpe
Footballguy
Thanks for the info on Crowell. I would love to see the Bills get a great run blocking tackle with that first pick. I think Mays would play LB in the NFL and he could be an impact player, but I don't know what you do with Poz if you go that route. The Bills could also use a stand out WR to move Lee Evans to WR2. Evans can't beat a double team to save his life and he really can only run the deep route, but he would be a pretty good WR2. Hardy didn't show much and he got hurt and I doubt he will be back next year. Bills also need a QB to back up Trent but that can wait til day 2. I wish they hadn't locked up Schoebel and Kelsay because they could use a DE that can sack a QB.
I think he will. Maybe not Peyton like but really seems like a special kid. Lions need to hire Bloom to replace Millen.
derek19
Footballguy
Maualuga is a beast. Could be 2 years in a row the niners grab a pro-bowl LB infront of the bills
Thorpe
Footballguy
You mean 2 out of 3 years. But I wouldn't trade Lynch for 3 Willises. Lynch is the heart and soul the team, and puts up his numbers running behind the worst run blocking O Line in the league. I don't know too many RBs in the league who can run for 8 yards carrying a 350 pound DT on his back and shrugging off a couple of LBs.Maualuga is a beast. Could be 2 years in a row the niners grab a pro-bowl LB infront of the bills
weasel3515
Footballguy
1. Detroilet will not draft an offensive player. They've done enough of that this decade and need to address their defense. The new front office knows this. Look at the Texans. They are now competetive because their young defensive personnel are coming around and will only get better.
2. Tim Teblow is a gimmick player. He is NOT an NFL QB. Full back, possibly. QB, no. No team (outside of Oakland who already took JaMarcus Russell) would be stupid enough to draft him highly as a QB. Put down the spiked Gatorade and back away FloriDuh fans, he's really not that great.
3. If you look at most of the teams in the top-10, they need defensive players so don't expect many offensive (fantasy) players.
4. Seattle HAS to take Crabtree. Their WR corps is all on IR. No-brainer.
5. Beanie Wells is one of the most overrated RBs in college football. He had a good game against Michigan two years ago. He had one long run against LSU. Shonn Greene of Iowa outperformed him up and down the line this year. Wells reminds me a lot of Maurice Clarett...and we all know how that turned out...
2. Tim Teblow is a gimmick player. He is NOT an NFL QB. Full back, possibly. QB, no. No team (outside of Oakland who already took JaMarcus Russell) would be stupid enough to draft him highly as a QB. Put down the spiked Gatorade and back away FloriDuh fans, he's really not that great.
3. If you look at most of the teams in the top-10, they need defensive players so don't expect many offensive (fantasy) players.
4. Seattle HAS to take Crabtree. Their WR corps is all on IR. No-brainer.
5. Beanie Wells is one of the most overrated RBs in college football. He had a good game against Michigan two years ago. He had one long run against LSU. Shonn Greene of Iowa outperformed him up and down the line this year. Wells reminds me a lot of Maurice Clarett...and we all know how that turned out...
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Agree with all of the above.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The same Texans that gave up two 2nd rounders for Matt Schaub to replace the total failure David Carr?
JaxBill
Footballguy
The Jags are another team that would be looking ot trade down. You saw how hard it was for them to sign Derrick Harvey last year. Plus, they only have 5 picks this year. I'd look at them to try and acquire more picks throughout the draft. Of course, in order to trade down you need somebody willing to trade up. Jags need linemen, big freakin' linemen on both sides of the ball. OT and DT. Khalif barnes is gone. Pashos has struggled in pass protection. Both starting guards coming back from injury. Defnsively, Henderson's showing his age. They have some role players that can be used in a rotation but nobody in the middle defensively that teams worry about doubling.
As far as Tebow is concerned, he's a second day pick no doubt. But for a franchise that's struggling to sell tickets, why not spend a mid-round pick on a man that some locals think can walk on water and cure the blind?
As far as Tebow is concerned, he's a second day pick no doubt. But for a franchise that's struggling to sell tickets, why not spend a mid-round pick on a man that some locals think can walk on water and cure the blind?
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Not me. I love Lynch, but RB's can be found elsewhere. Jackson is doing a good job and he wasn't a high draft pick. Willis is one of if not the best LB in the league. I was so pissed when the 49'ers picked him.He would have been the anchor we need for out struggling D.You mean 2 out of 3 years. But I wouldn't trade Lynch for 3 Willises. Lynch is the heart and soul the team, and puts up his numbers running behind the worst run blocking O Line in the league. I don't know too many RBs in the league who can run for 8 yards carrying a 350 pound DT on his back and shrugging off a couple of LBs.Maualuga is a beast. Could be 2 years in a row the niners grab a pro-bowl LB infront of the bills
weasel3515
Footballguy
Well, if you're a Gaguars fan, then that's fine...watch your team crumble in the future. Teblow will be the most overhyped Heisman winner in the history of the award. He will fail miserably. Even worse than Crouch. As a Colts fan, I hope the Gaguars draft him so they can watch their all-FloriDuh team go 4-12 or worse every year!
MAC_32
Footballguy
One of those three or Orakpo, at this time I'd be happy with any of them. Curry and Jenkins seem safer with Orakpo and Rey having more upside.I think they go with Curry or Jenkins.I would love for the Browns to draft Maulagua (sp?)
TitusIII
Footballguy
I agree, Mays will go in the top ten, he seems to be a once a decade type of talent, but Maualuga is the real deal, imo...RM was the best player on the field in last year's Rose Bowl, and pretty much shut down Juice Williams(a pretty damn strong and fast athlete) by himself. RM will go in the top 10 as well, and play up to that spot....imo, of course...
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Thorpe
Footballguy
I looked it up, and technically you're right. Palamalu played a few snaps as a backup LB as a freshman. Then he started for 3 years at Safety.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
Dont agree. Oakland's salary problems are due to several overpaid veterans. Hall was cut mid season. A few more simuliar cuts and we could be in good shape. I'd rather spend money on a promising rookie than watching Davis overpay another overrated veteran. We are at that spot in the draft where a good player is going to slip. Only consider tradeing down if someone else is wants to move up bad enough.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Any current cap info out there?
They have to decide if they are going to pay Asomugha his big bucks as well. Then again, he may want out of Oakland no matter what. If he leaves, Corner becomes a major issue for Oakland.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
And maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.There is going to be one NFL team that reaches on Tebow earlier than most expect. Just don't know who it is.And they may end up with one of the best picks in the draft
MaddHatter
Footballguy
List of Prospects invited to Senior Bowl
Still waiting on some other big names to get invites, including Penn State C A.Q. Shipley, OLB Clint Sintim, and others.
Also, Buffalo RB James Starks is getting some love.
Still waiting on some other big names to get invites, including Penn State C A.Q. Shipley, OLB Clint Sintim, and others.
Also, Buffalo RB James Starks is getting some love.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I hope your side is right because the NFL needs as much good, young quarterbacking as it can get.
fixed.
tombonneau
Footballguy
/patsfan
tombonneau
Footballguy
Well, looks like Tim Tebow is the new Player-to-Hate-for-No-Reason-Other-than-Media-Coverage. I'm not a Gator fan, but everything I read, the guy is a real good kid, says all the right things, etc.
Don't hate him just because ESPN overexposes him.
Don't hate him just because ESPN overexposes him.
MaddHatter
Footballguy
A lot of people see things in him but do not know how to explain them. For instance, Tebow runs a spread offense dependent on its first read. Once the first read is gone, it is up to Tebow and his stable of playmakers to make something happen. With the speed of Murphy, Harvin, Rainey, and company, Tebow is able to buy time with his mobility and make things happen. This will not be so easy on the next level. If history means anything, quarterbacks that come from one-read spread offenses have traditionally struggled in the NFL making reads and checking down targets. This is something that Tebow will have to overcome.Next, he is not the best passer mechanically. We all know this though.Third, I wonder if he will be a look once then run quarterback? He will get beat up on the next level. Finally, he does do many good things on the collegiate level but the same offense produced Alex Smith and look at him. Tebow will struggle coming out from under the center, in pressure situations or against the blitz, finding his reads. I will co-sign to that.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He does seem like a real nice guy. Just not an NFL style QB.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Unlike others that have failed before him, Tebow is a great football player, not just a great one-read spread offense QB. I don't know if he'll play QB at the next level and if he does if he'll do it well, but I believe someone will find a role for him to play and he'll produce. Maybe not in fantasy, but on the field, I'd be willing to bet on that. Just needs to go to the place that will utilize him best.
and Kai Maiava (the third starter, Matthews was a DE this year) is going to the Shrine Game Three members of their secondary (Cary Harris (cb), Kevin Ellison (ss), Taylor Mays (safety - srbowl)) are going to the Senior Bowl or Shrine GameLinebackersBrian Cushing (Southern Cal)
Rey Maualuga (Southern Cal)
Clay Matthews (Southern Cal)
Kyle Moore and Fili Moala join Matthews at the Senior Bowl from the DL starters.
That's nine senior starters (not to mention Josh Pinkard, the other CB, who is also a senior, but petitioning the NCAA for another year of eligbility) all with tickets for the NFL... quite a constellation of talent.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
and yet no chance at a national championship.FIRE PETE CARROLL!and Kai Maiava (the third starter, Matthews was a DE this year) is going to the Shrine Game Three members of their secondary (Cary Harris, Kevin Ellison, Taylor Mays (srbowl)) are going to the Senior Bowl or Shrine GameLinebackersBrian Cushing (Southern Cal)
Rey Maualuga (Southern Cal)
Clay Matthews (Southern Cal)
Kyle Moore and Fili Moala join Matthews at the Senior Bowl from the DL starters.
That's nine senior starters, all with tickets for the NFL... quite a constellation of talent.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I think so too. I don't think he's 100% gimmick at all. He has the size, arm strength, and brains to be successful.
weasel3515
Footballguy
I'll go on record then saying Tebow will fail at the next level. First, he isn't that truly mobile, he runs like a FB. If you get him going laterally, he loses yards. Second, his mobility affects his ability to escape blitzes resulting in easy sacks in the NFL. Third, his passing mechanics are terrible, some of the worst I've ever seen for a QB. Lastly, he has no training on making multiple reads. He gets one pass play called for him and then it's up to him to make something happen. None of this bodes well for a career as a NFL QB. He'd sell tickets just because of his name but he'll fail miserably. I predict that Jacksonville will draft him, especially if Del Rio is still coach as they really like local players.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm not here to argue that Tebow will succeed at the next level, but this statement really isn't applicable.If there's one knock on Tebow this year, it's that he HASN'T been doing the one read and run thing, and hasn't been content to just make plays by running around. He's sat back in the pocket all year and rarely run or scrambled on called passing plays (most of his rushing yardage comes from designed QB runs). A guy like Colt McCoy scrambles on designed passing plays a HUGE amount more than a guy like Tebow. Tebow barely scrambles more than a guy like Sam Bradford even. People have this blind perception that because Tebow has lots of rushing yards he must be this guy that just drops back and runs if the first guy he looks at isn't wide open. I wish he'd do more of that, because that works in college, but Florida has done very little of that this year.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Why couldn't Tebow be Mike Alstott? Seriously, the kid is a BULL.
mike had great acceleration to go with his 260 lb frame... i think payton hillis actually compares quite nicely to mike
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
What if Oakland decides to go defense with the 7th overall pick? I'm kind of liking the idea of moving Morrison outside and plug Maualuga in the middle. Has that a chance of working out? Maybe the best pass rusher in the draft, Brian Orakpo? Burgess has been slowed by injuries in recent years and is getting up there in age. Scott and Richardson are still relatively unproven opposite of Burgess.
kevjones22
Footballguy
Seattle will not be drafting a QB
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