2010 Carolina Starting QB (1 Viewer)

[The Commish]

Might as well add Edwards as a poll option ETA: What's worse, Carolina gave up their second round pick next year to move up?? Really?

The Panthers weren't the only team interested in drafting Armanti. Word is they want to use him as a slot receiver and kick returner. I think he is a great football player, so it will be interesting to see how his skills translate as a WR and KR. We trade every year, so I'm not that concerned about giving up a 2nd for him.

I think a second for a guy who's never stepped on an NFL field is too much. It's compounded by the uncertainty of the 2011 season. I don't have anything against Edwards and think there are a lot of ways he can be used on a football team. You have to have a coach that can be creative and utilize him though and, well, Fox isn't creative...neither is Davidson.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

For those questioning the draft pick of Clausen, think of all the young prospects that have been drafted in the last 3-4 years. How many young QBs that are starting right now were drafted beyond Round 2?

This reminds me of the Kevin Kolb pick a little. Yes you have needs other than QB, but franchise QBs (or even capable starters) don't fall in your lap often. Spending a 2nd and developing one is often worthwhile. Sure, sometimes Round 3+ works (and Matt Moore was an UDFA), but that's more the exception than the rule.

Lastly - I've been a fan of Moore since I saw him as an UDFA in Dallas and saw Jaworski slobbering all over him. Say what you will about Jaws, he's usually nails at picking QB talent. As soon as Carolina grabbed him I knew he had solid potential. I'm on board with him being the "answer" for 2010 and beyond in Carolina.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Matt Moore = Derek Anderson

Jimmy Clausen = Brady Quinn

 

[cstu]

Might as well add Edwards as a poll option



ETA: What's worse, Carolina gave up their second round pick next year to move up?? Really?

The Panthers weren't the only team interested in drafting Armanti. Word is they want to use him as a slot receiver and kick returner. I think he is a great football player, so it will be interesting to see how his skills translate as a WR and KR. We trade every year, so I'm not that concerned about giving up a 2nd for him.

I think a second for a guy who's never stepped on an NFL field is too much. It's compounded by the uncertainty of the 2011 season. I don't have anything against Edwards and think there are a lot of ways he can be used on a football team. You have to have a coach that can be creative and utilize him though and, well, Fox isn't creative...neither is Davidson.

I don't think any of these guys have stepped on an NFL field yet.

 

[cstu]

Maybe "cant miss" was the wrong phrase to use. But who graded him as a first round talent because it looks to me that most teams skipped drafting him and a lot of teams passed him over twice. That tells me that the Panthers could have gotten another player in the 2nd and probably either Jimmy or Colt would have been there in the 3rd. Again I just think the Panthers have way bigger issues then a back up qb at this point and one that will start a dreaded qb controversy in the near future. To my recollection Moore has never had a "bad" game as a panther. I am just trying to wrap my mind around why they would do this pick.

They did this because they aren't sold on Moore's ability to be the long-term QB. A lot of QB's have looked good in limited play but couldn't continue it. A middle 2nd is cheap insurance in case Moore doesn't pan out and at worst Clausen will be a decent backup. I'm a little surprised you think so much of Moore when most people have been questioning whether last season was a fluke.

I have probably seen every moore snap he has ever played. The dude is not a fluke. He can air it out when needed and he is conservative and a game manager as well. I would say his end of the year last year would be enough of a sample size to see he is the real deal

Even if he's the real deal, have you not thought about Clausen's value he sits on the bench for a couple years? The Chargers were able to essentially get a 2nd and 3rd for Charlie Whitehurst so I don't think it's out of the question to think the Panthers couldn't get something similar out of Clausen.

 

[pantherclub]

For those questioning the draft pick of Clausen, think of all the young prospects that have been drafted in the last 3-4 years. How many young QBs that are starting right now were drafted beyond Round 2?This reminds me of the Kevin Kolb pick a little. Yes you have needs other than QB, but franchise QBs (or even capable starters) don't fall in your lap often. Spending a 2nd and developing one is often worthwhile. Sure, sometimes Round 3+ works (and Matt Moore was an UDFA), but that's more the exception than the rule.Lastly - I've been a fan of Moore since I saw him as an UDFA in Dallas and saw Jaworski slobbering all over him. Say what you will about Jaws, he's usually nails at picking QB talent. As soon as Carolina grabbed him I knew he had solid potential. I'm on board with him being the "answer" for 2010 and beyond in Carolina.

This is a great post, but i think as Panthers fans we feel this team is not far off. There were still awesome impact players on the board that could help immediately. Mays comes quickly to my mind. I think as a whole we are just bummed that the Cats seem to be throwing in the towel for the next couple of years. (assuming there is a lockout) I fully believe that if Moore played after game 2 or 3 last year then we would have made the playoffs.I dont even have the words to express my frustration with the Edwards pick. WTF is all I can say. There is a reason New England is consistently good because they make a living taking advantages of teams like Carolina. Trading a 2nd for a 3rd is just insane especially for a player projected in the 5th or 6th.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Moore may start at first, but Clausen should be by 2011 at the latest. Clausen is legit.

 

[Genedoc]

Moore will start the first several games of 2010, guaranteed. 100%.

Who starts the last game of the season? Claussen's got a chance to be starting by then.

 

[massraider]

Week 1? Moore.

Week 10? Clausen.

 

[PatrickT]

I voted Moore, but Clausen wouldn't shock me.

 

[cvnpoka]

what about tony pike?

 

[pantherclub]

Hurney and Fox have to be drunk at this point.

 

[CaptainHook]

see ya later matt moore...

 

[Genedoc]

Hurney and Fox have to be drunk at this point.

They're sprinkled some real smart looking value picks (Claussen, LaFell, Norwood, Hardy) in with complete head scratchers. Edwards, Pugh, and Gettis all look like reaches. It's like a fantasy team run by two guys who are alternating picks, and one of them is drinking and has no clue.

 

[pantherclub]

I wonder what it is about Matt Moore that Fox does not like. He waited until the season was in the crapper and Jake gets hurt before he puts Moore in. Then Moore has a fantastic late run. Now we have them drafting 2 highly ranked qb's. Moore must have screwed someones daughter in Charlotte. This pick really boogles my mind. Add this one to the Edwards and Pugh pick and you have a total "WTF" type draft.

 

[cvnpoka]

I wonder what it is about Matt Moore that Fox does not like. He waited until the season was in the crapper and Jake gets hurt before he puts Moore in. Then Moore has a fantastic late run. Now we have them drafting 2 highly ranked qb's. Moore must have screwed someones daughter in Charlotte. This pick really boogles my mind. Add this one to the Edwards and Pugh pick and you have a total "WTF" type draft.

if they are indeed highly ranked fora reason, then its tremendous value drafting.

 

[Ilov80s]

I wonder what it is about Matt Moore that Fox does not like. He waited until the season was in the crapper and Jake gets hurt before he puts Moore in. Then Moore has a fantastic late run. Now we have them drafting 2 highly ranked qb's. Moore must have screwed someones daughter in Charlotte. This pick really boogles my mind. Add this one to the Edwards and Pugh pick and you have a total "WTF" type draft.

if they are indeed highly ranked fora reason, then its tremendous value drafting.

I don't think Pike was that highly rated...higly rated QBs don't fall to the end of the 6th.

 

[pantherclub]

I wonder what it is about Matt Moore that Fox does not like. He waited until the season was in the crapper and Jake gets hurt before he puts Moore in. Then Moore has a fantastic late run. Now we have them drafting 2 highly ranked qb's. Moore must have screwed someones daughter in Charlotte. This pick really boogles my mind. Add this one to the Edwards and Pugh pick and you have a total "WTF" type draft.

if they are indeed highly ranked fora reason, then its tremendous value drafting.

Its not value drafting when you have potentially 2 qbs ahead of him. There is not enough practice time or reps to develop 2-3 qbs in the NFL. I know some experts will grade this draft high for the Panthers but not me, they are playing for 2-3 years down the road and not trying to win now.

 

[drfeelgood]

I wonder what it is about Matt Moore that Fox does not like. He waited until the season was in the crapper and Jake gets hurt before he puts Moore in. Then Moore has a fantastic late run. Now we have them drafting 2 highly ranked qb's. Moore must have screwed someones daughter in Charlotte. This pick really boogles my mind. Add this one to the Edwards and Pugh pick and you have a total "WTF" type draft.

I like Carolina's draft. Moore will get every opportunity to succeed at Carolina, but they needed more than just him and Hunter Caldwell at QB. Carolina got two great value picks at QB in Clausen and Pike, yet you are complaining. They can also trade one of them in the future. Look at what San Diego got for Whitehurst who has never played a regular season NFL game. I'm wondering if you are the one who is drunk.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Many successful NFL teams have made good livings grooming QBs. Green Bay, New England, Philadelphia - they all had more than one Top 30 QB and they knew that you both (A) need more than one and (B) can trade a QB for another asset (picks, players, etc.).

Nothing wrong with taking 2 QBs (and one that will convert to WR). Clausen backing up Moore is fine. Pike at QB3? Sounds fine too.

 

[Ilov80s]

I wonder what it is about Matt Moore that Fox does not like. He waited until the season was in the crapper and Jake gets hurt before he puts Moore in. Then Moore has a fantastic late run. Now we have them drafting 2 highly ranked qb's. Moore must have screwed someones daughter in Charlotte. This pick really boogles my mind. Add this one to the Edwards and Pugh pick and you have a total "WTF" type draft.

if they are indeed highly ranked fora reason, then its tremendous value drafting.

Its not value drafting when you have potentially 2 qbs ahead of him. There is not enough practice time or reps to develop 2-3 qbs in the NFL. I know some experts will grade this draft high for the Panthers but not me, they are playing for 2-3 years down the road and not trying to win now.

Awful draft for the Panthers. Claussen falls into their laps. A team without a 1st round pick gets the 2nd best QB in the draft on a team that has an elite running game and a top 10 WR, they should be playing to win now. Use the remaining picks to retool the o-line or d. Do not trade away a 2nd round pick next year for a small school guy without a position.

 

[Native]

This worked out really well for Carolina. Clausen in the 2nd makes a world of sense - if he pans out, they look like genuises. If he fails, then at least they didnt overinvest.

 

[drfeelgood]

Do not trade away a 2nd round pick next year for a small school guy without a position.

Carolina has already said Edwards will return kicks and play WR. Josh Cribbs is a former college QB used to return kicks. He's not too bad at it.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Many successful NFL teams have made good livings grooming QBs. Green Bay, New England, Philadelphia - they all had more than one Top 30 QB and they knew that you both (A) need more than one and (B) can trade a QB for another asset (picks, players, etc.).Nothing wrong with taking 2 QBs (and one that will convert to WR). Clausen backing up Moore is fine. Pike at QB3? Sounds fine too.

Holy value picks, Batman! If both Clausen and Pike pan out to be respectable NFL QBs, the team is set at the position for a decade. This is not a bad thing, folks.Seriously, the Panthers did a fine job addressing two areas of need (QB, WR) in this draft, and got a potential "Wildcat" player to boot in Armanti Edwards. The Panthers are a run-first, play-great-D type team anyways, so having Edwards available to run 3-4 option plays per game with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart also on the field gives them a lot of flexibility in their run packages. I honestly don't understand the hate for this draft - Brandon LaFell gives them a nice, big RAC type guy who can also block (a big factor for the Panthers' scheme).

 

[Instinctive]

I see potential for the Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers type of scenario where they have this incredible, recently drafted backup to a guy who plays very well. Moore isn't quite equal to Brees production wise when both were at this stage, but it's the same concept.

Moore does well and stays healthy, he gets resigned. He flops or gets hurt bad, and he walks in FA.

 

[Pantherz]

Many successful NFL teams have made good livings grooming QBs. Green Bay, New England, Philadelphia - they all had more than one Top 30 QB and they knew that you both (A) need more than one and (B) can trade a QB for another asset (picks, players, etc.).Nothing wrong with taking 2 QBs (and one that will convert to WR). Clausen backing up Moore is fine. Pike at QB3? Sounds fine too.

Holy value picks, Batman! If both Clausen and Pike pan out to be respectable NFL QBs, the team is set at the position for a decade. This is not a bad thing, folks.Seriously, the Panthers did a fine job addressing two areas of need (QB, WR) in this draft, and got a potential "Wildcat" player to boot in Armanti Edwards. The Panthers are a run-first, play-great-D type team anyways, so having Edwards available to run 3-4 option plays per game with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart also on the field gives them a lot of flexibility in their run packages. I honestly don't understand the hate for this draft - Brandon LaFell gives them a nice, big RAC type guy who can also block (a big factor for the Panthers' scheme).

Agree with both of these posts. Nothing wrong with the shotgun approach for positions of need. They also took 3 DBs with 4.4 or better speed. Based on the success rate for draft picks they should come out with at least one very good player added at WR, QB, and DB. The Dbs are also special teams guys who were greatly needed. I like Moore at QB but I don't think he has a huge upside. Chances are one of either Claussen or Pike will bust, maybe even both. We still have to have a QB of the future and they took a shot this year when the QBs were falling way down the board. If Claussen went as high as projected I saw one of the networks say his salary would be in the $20+ million range. Now we take a look at him for under $3 mil. Pike is a big guy(6'5) with high potential that was projected anywhere from the 3rd to the sixth round and we get a cheap look at him too. I feel a whole lot better than I would as a Rams fan knowing that we just spent crazy money and have one shot with Bradford(also no sure thing) and if he doesn't pan out the franchise is in the hole for 5+ years.Maybe I'm just looking through homer glasses but I like the draft. I like Norwood in the 4th too. I'm seeing other guys drafted at this time in the draft who were honorable mention all conference guys and he's an all american who was All- SEC for three years. He is a tweener who could play at LB or DE.

 

[BoulderBob]

Pike has more potential than both combined, imo...although Moore will be the starter, and Clausen will then proceed to suck as a starter from around week 6 to week six of 2012...then Pike will get his shot and run with it...imo...

 

[pantherclub]

I doubt Pike even is on the roster come regular season.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Is David Kahn the new Panthers GM?

 

[cstu]

Maybe "cant miss" was the wrong phrase to use. But who graded him as a first round talent because it looks to me that most teams skipped drafting him and a lot of teams passed him over twice. That tells me that the Panthers could have gotten another player in the 2nd and probably either Jimmy or Colt would have been there in the 3rd. Again I just think the Panthers have way bigger issues then a back up qb at this point and one that will start a dreaded qb controversy in the near future. To my recollection Moore has never had a "bad" game as a panther. I am just trying to wrap my mind around why they would do this pick.

They did this because they aren't sold on Moore's ability to be the long-term QB. A lot of QB's have looked good in limited play but couldn't continue it. A middle 2nd is cheap insurance in case Moore doesn't pan out and at worst Clausen will be a decent backup. I'm a little surprised you think so much of Moore when most people have been questioning whether last season was a fluke.

I have probably seen every moore snap he has ever played. The dude is not a fluke. He can air it out when needed and he is conservative and a game manager as well. I would say his end of the year last year would be enough of a sample size to see he is the real deal

Yep, real deal all right.