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It wouldn't shock me to see Tebow traded. I think he showed a lot of promise in year 1, and I know the fans love him. But I agree, that it seems management isn't enamored with him.You have to think they could easily get a 1st rounder for Tebow.
I don't see it. Grant is obviously someone they trust to carry the load (but is coming back off of injury) and they like starks enough they didn't chase anyone during the season.I think the Pack are conviced they don't need a rb. And, they proved it.
If you aren't striving to be accurate, why do you care that people think your picks are unrealistic?I can see them taking Prince.And I wasn't striving for "accuracy". I was bored with the pattern that all mock drafts have fallen into (happens every year about this time) and wanted to discuss different scenarios.If I fell into this fairytale trap, I'd take Gabbert here. QB is by far the biggest need.I believe Prince is a top 10 player by all rights. If I was constructing a "draft board" strictly by talent only based upon who was left after the first 6 picks, Green and Prince would be #1 and #2. Based upon talent, team need, salary structure, and immediate impact, the hands down pick is Prince.You gave it a good try, Andy.Nice to see some outside the box thinking, even if it is wrong in places
Dallas would love to have Fairley. I have every idea that Dallas would pay a 5th or more to move up to take Fairley. Tenn drops down, still gets the QB they would have taken anyway, and gets another pick.
I can handle the "unrealistic" debate as in why team "x" wouldn't take player "y". But the "I stopped reading at xxx" stuff bugs me. There's no amount of craziness that can't happen in a draft. I don't know that there's any such thing as unrealistic. "Unlikely", yes.
Not even a strike/lock-out shortend season?Maybe that's not good logic for passing on QB in this spot. How about the fact that they just cut 3 D-linemen. At this point I can't see them passing on either Dareus or Fairly.
Let me try this again. Who would you make the Vikes' pick if you assume they don't lose Rice. And, would you mock Jones to the Rams under that scenario? Julio would only have to fall one more pick (past Detroit) here.
I tweaked my orignal top-ten so I'll compare/constrast with your top-ten.Orginal top-ten
I am on board with pick. I see a lot of similarities between Peterson pick and the Julio Jones pick. Jones, like Peterson, has shone on the field and at the combine. Even the fact that Jones has an injury (like Peterson did) that might allow him to slip to the Vikings is similar. I think Spielman grabs him if he is there. But I don't know how any team (even Jacksonville) could draft Jake Locker that high. I am thinking that college passing percentage is a huge red flag and I won't be surprised if he free falls like Clausen. Gabbert, although he did not workout, was rumored to be the best QB on the black board at the combine. I think some team's OC will fall in love with him and he goes way before Locker.
When I read stuff like this, I wonder if the person has watched/paid attention to the real NFL draft. Without fail, there is some dude no draftguy has as a top ten player go in the top ten. And even in the rareest of case where this would happen, the neat team need to so-called highest rated player never works out. In fact, I think this year is going to be one of worse for that because of the shallow gap between players probably all the way down to 18-20 or so. If the new CBA is not agreed upon it will be worse.'Andy Dufresne said:
No way the Pats would pass on him twice, and Indianapolis would probably take him if the Pats didn't take him with their first pick imo.
From what I saw Cam Newton isn't an NFL QB either
If the Bengals don't trade their pick no way do they pass on AJ Green.
I agree AJ Green is a big possibility for the Bengals but there are no certainties in a draft other then you can be certain that Al Davis will draft the fastest guy at the combine.
ingram had some of the worst results of any RB picked in the 1st round in the past 10 years. I could easily see him fall out of the 1st and not even be the top rb taken.
I get it. People don't like mocks that don't look like all the other mocks.And you don't like this one because it doesn't conform with your personal ratings. From what I gather, you think Bowers, Fairly and Green are all top five picks. You might be right, but you could just as easily be wrong.'eakfootball said:I dont like this mock, here are my reasons
-There is no way the Broncos take a QB
Nonsense. Orton has proven that he is an adequate quarterback but nothing more. I don't think the Broncos are interested in adequate. And the group that drafted Tebow is gone. I have no idea if the new group likes Newton or Gabbert or someone else better. But if they do, there's no reason not to take a QB if they think he gives the franchise a better chance of winning than what they currently have now. Good teams don't think like "Well since we drafted a stiff at the position last year, I guess we better not draft a better player than him this year - wouldn't want to admit our mistake..."
It is more likely that they don't draft a QB than that they do. But what's the harm in talking about the "what if". Especially with what it does to the rest of the top 10.
-Bowers will not fall to 6
Oh yes he could. Remember, this is just a post-combine mock. Bowers declared himself healthy for the combine but then didn't participate. That's a red flag for some teams.
-Fairly will not fall to 8
Maybe not. But it's not that far fetched. There have been several "sure thing" fatties that have "fallen" the last few years. And word on the street is that Fairley is a bit immature and teams are worried about him playing hard after he gets paid.
-Anthony Costanzo does not go in the top 20
Maybe.
-I see no chance of Dareus ending up in Cincy
Well. I do.
-Jake Locker will not go in the first half of the 1st
Locker lit it up at the combine. From what I've read, a big reason that he had accuracy issues (and with just a little coaching has apparently improved quite a bit this offseason) is because of the baseball he was playing.
-Blaine Gabbert at 25?!?!?!?
If he slides past Miami & Jacksonville, the teams in between there and 25 don't need a qb. What? You've never seen a player fall before? Plus, with as much buzz as he's gotten, he only threw for 16 touchdowns last year. In the Big 12 no less. The QBs are going to fall all over the 1st round.
-Jabal Sherrod and Marvin Austin are 4th and 3rd round picks respectively, not 1st rounders
I don't know who Jabal Sherrod is.
If Austin does last to the third, it's not because of talent.
Neither will last past the 2nd.
-Justin Houston will not go over Aldon Smith
With the preponderance of teams playing the 3-4, guys playing the outside pass rusher are valuable. And since Houston became a stand-up pass rusher in Georgia's 3-4 scheme in 2010 he has a year of experience under his belt as a stand-up pass rusher. Houston racked up 18 tackles for loss and finished second in the SEC behind Fairley with 10 sacks. The only question is his ability to drop into coverage.
The knock on Smith for this mock is that he's a redshirt sophomore and played the more traditional 4-3 end. But if you want to switch him and Houston here, go ahead.
-ST. Louis wont take a 3-4 end, unless they switched schemes and I am unaware
Because he played the 3-4 at Cal that's the only scheme he can play in? The Rams are looking for someone to play the LDE spot opposite Chris Long and that requires a little bigger player like Jordan. Plus, he could easily slide inside on passing downs like a lot of 4-3 teams do.
-I don't see AJ Green falling to 7
Okay.
I like unique mocks. I see a lot of mocks that are actually consensus mocks. Rarely do the picks outside the top 3 or 4 go the way of the mock. By the time you hit picks 12-20 the thing is way off of the consensus mark. I like seeing other people speculate on odd happenings. I'd bet AD has as many hits as Kiper and MayockI get it. People don't like mocks that don't look like all the other mocks.And you don't like this one because it doesn't conform with your personal ratings. From what I gather, you think Bowers, Fairly and Green are all top five picks. You might be right, but you could just as easily be wrong.'eakfootball said:I dont like this mock, here are my reasons
-There is no way the Broncos take a QB
Nonsense. Orton has proven that he is an adequate quarterback but nothing more. I don't think the Broncos are interested in adequate. And the group that drafted Tebow is gone. I have no idea if the new group likes Newton or Gabbert or someone else better. But if they do, there's no reason not to take a QB if they think he gives the franchise a better chance of winning than what they currently have now. Good teams don't think like "Well since we drafted a stiff at the position last year, I guess we better not draft a better player than him this year - wouldn't want to admit our mistake..."
It is more likely that they don't draft a QB than that they do. But what's the harm in talking about the "what if". Especially with what it does to the rest of the top 10.
-Bowers will not fall to 6
Oh yes he could. Remember, this is just a post-combine mock. Bowers declared himself healthy for the combine but then didn't participate. That's a red flag for some teams.
-Fairly will not fall to 8
Maybe not. But it's not that far fetched. There have been several "sure thing" fatties that have "fallen" the last few years. And word on the street is that Fairley is a bit immature and teams are worried about him playing hard after he gets paid.
-Anthony Costanzo does not go in the top 20
-I see no chance of Dareus ending up in Cincy
Well. I do.
-Jake Locker will not go in the first half of the 1st
Locker lit it up at the combine. From what I've read, a big reason that he had accuracy issues (and with just a little coaching has apparently improved quite a bit this offseason) is because of the baseball he was playing.
-Blaine Gabbert at 25?!?!?!?
If he slides past Miami & Jacksonville, the teams in between there and 25 don't need a qb. What? You've never seen a player fall before? Plus, with as much buzz as he's gotten, he only threw for 16 touchdowns last year. In the Big 12 no less. The QBs are going to fall all over the 1st round.
-Jabal Sherrod and Marvin Austin are 4th and 3rd round picks respectively, not 1st rounders
I don't know who Jabal Sherrod is.
If Austin does last to the third, it's not because of talent.
Neither will last past the 2nd.
-Justin Houston will not go over Aldon Smith
With the preponderance of teams playing the 3-4, guys playing the outside pass rusher are valuable. And since Houston became a stand-up pass rusher in Georgia's 3-4 scheme in 2010 he has a year of experience under his belt as a stand-up pass rusher. Houston racked up 18 tackles for loss and finished second in the SEC behind Fairley with 10 sacks. The only question is his ability to drop into coverage.
The knock on Smith for this mock is that he's a redshirt sophomore and played the more traditional 4-3 end. But if you want to switch him and Houston here, go ahead.
-ST. Louis wont take a 3-4 end, unless they switched schemes and I am unaware
Because he played the 3-4 at Cal that's the only scheme he can play in? The Rams are looking for someone to play the LDE spot opposite Chris Long and that requires a little bigger player like Jordan. Plus, he could easily slide inside on passing downs like a lot of 4-3 teams do.
-I don't see AJ Green falling to 7
Okay.
The point of this mock was to talk about possibilities different from what all the thousands of other mocks that all say the exact same thing are saying.
I gave up on the 2nd round because I got busy and can't seem to find the right draft order.I agree. Moore was a poor selection for the 'Boys' 2nd rounder. Brandon Burton from Utah might also be a consideration.
He has a pretty serious medical condition called Erb's Palsy which has caused nerve damage in his right arm. His right arm is also mal-developed to a degree which has resulted in him being left-hand dominant. So he can pretty well only play right-end, he can't really move around much on the defensive line. When you consider all this and combine it with his poor play in his senior season and his poor combine performance, I wouldn't want my team drafting him with any early round selection.
I can answer that in 6 words: Andy's mock is
Somehow and some way we are limping along without you.
Got busy and couldn't find the 2nd round order...I'll give it a try today sometime.
The Pack have a lot of d linemen - especially considering that they sometimes play only one of them on the field (psycho defense it is).With Neal, Wilson and Jolly coming back from injury (self inflicted or otherwise) I don't see the need on top of Picket, Raji and Green to use their 1st round pick on a dlineman. Having said that, Ted T is about best player, and I agree if he is available it would be hard to say no, no matter what they think of their other players.
I think the hype outweighs the talent. He was mentioned in the same breath as Watt and Kerrigan, but he was not even close to their league IMO. My opinion of him died when he did squat in the Michigan game. That was lined up 1 on 1 against a freshman tackle all game and he did nothing.
Probably get Arizona's 3rd. It was a cop out on my part.
And I'm not sure if Cannon from TCU can play tackle, but one of the Bills strengths in at guard (unless Wood moves to center permanently). If the Bills are faced with the decisions that are available after the trade down I would hope they look at Martez Wilson from Illinois. Even if we bring Poz back we still need another ILB badly next to him. I think Wilson can be a very good ILB in the NFL.Probably get Arizona's 3rd. It was a cop out on my part.
Here are some names I thought about:Brandon Burton, CB Utah Allen Bailey, DE MiamiRas-I Dowling, CB IndianaDaniel Thomas, RB K-StateGreg Jones, LB Michigan St.Shane Vereen, RB CalQuinton Carter, FS Oklahoma (it's a weak year for safeties, but several teams need one)Luke Stocker, TE TennesseeAndy Dalton, QB TCUDemarco Murray, RB Oklahoma (speed + nice hands = versatile)Christian Ballard, DE IowaKendrick Ellis, DT Hampton (some 3-4 team might overlook his character questions)James Carpenter, OL Alabama
I'm assuming Sproles leaves.
He is gone, is this Kendall hunter guy a special teamer?
Interestingly, KFFL had the same idea that I did
I didn't like any of the dbacks or linemen left so it was more of a BPA pick. Moch on one side and Matthews on the other would be a passing down nightmare for most teams.Don't worry, Moch has the measurables that Al Davis loves so it's almost a lock he'll be a Raider.
Sorta like how even blind squirrels find nuts every now and then. 
