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2011 Texans Off -season thread (1 Viewer)
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dhockster
Footballguy
For those that did not see the game, Ben Tate looked amazing, and he was making the quick one cut and go runs that you need
to to succeed in this offense. If anything were to happen to Foster, I think Tate would fill his role very nicely.
For fantasy players who have the roster space, I would definitely handcuff Tate with Foster.
to to succeed in this offense. If anything were to happen to Foster, I think Tate would fill his role very nicely.
For fantasy players who have the roster space, I would definitely handcuff Tate with Foster.
Was great to see Tate out there and looking good after that bad injury last year. I know "if ifs and buts were candy and nuts" but it's interesting to think what might have happened last year had Tate not gotten injured and what the competition might have been like between the 2. Foster looks to be on a whole 'nother level now though with the leaping over one defender on one big run and then juking that safety out of his shoes. Tate was more like a pinball but showed a lot of ability to shed defenders and break tackles. Between Tate & Ward and Obgania (sp?) RB is looking pretty deep for us.
Manning getting beat deep by the 2nd string was worrisome although it might have been one of those "asleep at the wheel" moments since Brees had been pulled. Even though the big plays are starting to show up, I think the defense is definitely a long way from gelling.
Manning getting beat deep by the 2nd string was worrisome although it might have been one of those "asleep at the wheel" moments since Brees had been pulled. Even though the big plays are starting to show up, I think the defense is definitely a long way from gelling.
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GregR
Footballguy
I think Foster is significantly better than Tate still. Best vision in the NFL, more elusive than Tate, isn't lacking in power though Tate probably has the edge on him there. I think Foster may be better at breaking tackles, but I'd say he's a lot better at finding the hole in the first place.It's a great situation to be in for the Texans. I think fantasy owners are going to discount Derrick Ward too much though. Tate might ultimately be a better RB, but I won't be surprised if Ward is the main backup for much of the year, with Tate maybe getting a few series to see what he can do in real games. Blitz pickup is still a big deal and we haven't seen Tate yet against anything but simplified defensive game plans.
dhockster
Footballguy
I agree with you that Ward will be the primary back-up for Foster this season with Foster healthy, because he is somewhat of a change of pace from Foster. But I think if an injury occurs to Arian than Tate is going to fill his role rather than Ward, because he runs more like you are supposed to in the Texans offense. That is assuming the injury occurred late enough in the season that Kubiak was comfortable enough with Tate being able to block blitzing linebackers.
I would agree about Foster looking better, just was a thinking out loud what might have happened last year. Those that were talking yesterday about Tate threatening for time I think are way off base. Tate looks like a good fit, but he has a long way to go.
But it's good to know that we have a few capable guys to take pressure off or fill-in in a pinch. When has a Texans fan ever been able to say that?!?
But it's good to know that we have a few capable guys to take pressure off or fill-in in a pinch. When has a Texans fan ever been able to say that?!?
rizzler
Footballguy
Foster's vision to find the hole is unparalleled in the NFL. True that is o-line could part the ocean, but regardless of this, Foster has shown the ability to make the right read and get there in a flash.
He doesn't quite have the pure power of Peterson, or the speed of CJ, but Foster has that rare amalgamation of all talents that makes him a truly elite player.
Tate will definitely fill the role of Foster if Foster were to go down; but the prediction or hoping of injuries (by a-holes) is neither here nor there.
Foster will be the man.
He doesn't quite have the pure power of Peterson, or the speed of CJ, but Foster has that rare amalgamation of all talents that makes him a truly elite player.
Tate will definitely fill the role of Foster if Foster were to go down; but the prediction or hoping of injuries (by a-holes) is neither here nor there.
Foster will be the man.
GregR
Footballguy
I made the observation Saturday night, that it seems like recently that the Texans have a position that is perceived as a glaring hole, and by the end of that season it has turned into an embarrassment of riches. Last year it was running back, and we come out of it with the league leading rusher and have 3 backups in camp who are all capable (plus Tate looking good). This year I think OLB is looking that way. It was a position that everyone was saying the Texans would need to address. I think Barwin has looked great. Mario I think will still excel. And I think Reed, Nading, and maybe even Braman could be solid starters if needed, based on how they looked at the practices I saw as well as the first two preseason games.
Maybe we'll say the same about cornerback at the end of this year too, though I'm not that optimistic about it unless Jason Allen turns out to be a solid 2nd corner. I just don't see Kareem ever being more than a nickle or dime player. He lacks speed and ball skills, and those are hard things to teach.
Maybe we'll say the same about cornerback at the end of this year too, though I'm not that optimistic about it unless Jason Allen turns out to be a solid 2nd corner. I just don't see Kareem ever being more than a nickle or dime player. He lacks speed and ball skills, and those are hard things to teach.
dhockster
Footballguy
I don't know if you were referring to me when you talk about predicting or hoping for injuries, but just to be clear, I was doing neither. My only purpose in talking about a possible injury to Foster, was that fantasy players would probably want to look at Tate as a handcuff to Foster rather than Ward as a handcuff. Ward will probably get more work than Tate with Foster healthy, but I think Tate gets more work than Ward if Foster gets hurt.
rizzler
Footballguy
No, I wasn't referencing you... Just referencing ppl in general, who hope for injuries so their backup/stolen handcuff gets playing time.
I just completed my big$ draft and reached like a fiend to get Tate, because in my league full of snakes (sharp drafters) I knew someone would grab him before it came back to me at 10.12/11.01... Yes, I took him at 9.01
I agree, Tate gets the work with Foster out (which I hope does not happen).
rizzler
Footballguy
Despite Ben Tate's big game in the second week of preseason, coach Gary Kubiak confirmed Tuesday that Arian Foster remains the Texans' every-down running back.
"One thing about the running back position, when you have a great one, they need it 25 times," said Kubiak. "For the most part, when Arian’s at his best, he’s playing three snaps to the other guys' one."
"One thing about the running back position, when you have a great one, they need it 25 times," said Kubiak. "For the most part, when Arian’s at his best, he’s playing three snaps to the other guys' one."
GregR
Footballguy
Here is an article interviewing Football Outsiders about their prediction that the Texans have the best chance to win the AFC South. I found the parts of it that were most interesting were their discussions of how different parts of the Texans fared last year.
Some snippets...
Some snippets...
Gotta admit I am getting a kick out of reading the Foster threads. Who would have thought so many people would be concerned with a Texans player (that's not Andre) and that he would dominate the headlines a week before the season started? I imagine Kubiak will come down hard on him for the MRI tweet considering he is so completely against disclosing injury information.
Is it time for the "Official In-Season Thread?"
Is it time for the "Official In-Season Thread?"
coolnerd
Footballguy
Yeah, I will set it up this weekend after we know the real roater. Just to note, I don't see myself being on top of it as closely this year ( I know I wasn't with the off-season) . Just too much real life (work,writing, aging parents, etc).
GregR
Footballguy
I caught Kubiak's latest press conference on the radio. Not a lot said, but a few of the more noteworthy...
Slaton not playing was a late decision by Kubiak. He only practiced twice of which one was only a walk through and Kubiak didn't feel it was wise to send him out there.
Didn't really give any helpful info on the RB situation. Just said that Foster is day to day.
Said that anything about Foster tweeting his MRI they'd handle in house and wouldn't go into that further.
When asked about players that stood out to him against the Vikings, he mentioned Leinart and then poured the praise on Tim Jamison. Said it was something like a treat to watch the tape of him.
Later on someone asked about Bryant Johnson specifically and he repeated what he said previously. He's a proven veteran and he thinks he is someone the team can use. He mentioned that he already knew some of the Texans terminology and so they were able to work him into the preseason game. My reading between the lines - further confirms to me that Johnson is probably going to be the 4th WR this year.
Said he was pleasantly surprised how fast the team has picked up Wade's defense.
Said he felt they did well in man coverage which was led to Ponder being able to scramble when the rush didn't keep him contained.
That's all I can remember. I'm sure they'll have quotes out in awhile.
Slaton not playing was a late decision by Kubiak. He only practiced twice of which one was only a walk through and Kubiak didn't feel it was wise to send him out there.
Didn't really give any helpful info on the RB situation. Just said that Foster is day to day.
Said that anything about Foster tweeting his MRI they'd handle in house and wouldn't go into that further.
When asked about players that stood out to him against the Vikings, he mentioned Leinart and then poured the praise on Tim Jamison. Said it was something like a treat to watch the tape of him.
Later on someone asked about Bryant Johnson specifically and he repeated what he said previously. He's a proven veteran and he thinks he is someone the team can use. He mentioned that he already knew some of the Texans terminology and so they were able to work him into the preseason game. My reading between the lines - further confirms to me that Johnson is probably going to be the 4th WR this year.
Said he was pleasantly surprised how fast the team has picked up Wade's defense.
Said he felt they did well in man coverage which was led to Ponder being able to scramble when the rush didn't keep him contained.
That's all I can remember. I'm sure they'll have quotes out in awhile.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texas-waive-Ogbonnaya-Keo-26-others-2154415.php
Safety Shiloh Keo, punter Brad Maynard and running back Chris Ogbonnaya were among the players waived by the Texans on Saturday when they reduced their roster from 80 to 52 – one short of the maximum 53.
General manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak will continue to rework the roster while the Texans prepare for the Sept. 11 opener against Indianapolis.
Among the veteran players kept on the roster were Steve Slaton as the fourth running back and Bryant Johnson as the fourth receiver.
Keo, the fifth-round pick from Idaho, didn’t make the team as the fifth safety. He’s a candidate for the practice squad if he clears waivers.
Because they waived Maynard, the Texans will be in the market for a new punter.
Ogbonnaya, who led the team in rushing in preseason with 54 carries for 192 yards, also could be placed on the practice squad.
Linebacker Cheta Ozougwu, a seven-round pick, was waived injured along with free agent receiver Terrence Toliver.
Saturday’s moves mean the Texans kept seven of their eight draft choices: defensive end J.J. Watt, outside linebacker Brooks Reed, cornerback Brandon Harris, cornerback Roc Carmichael, quarterback T.J. Yates and offensive tackle Derek Newton.
Carmichael, a fourth-round pick, didn’t play in preseason because of a shoulder injury.
Outside linebacker Bryan Braman, who signed as an undrafted free agent and recorded a team-high 2 ½ sacks in preseason, made the team.
Notable veterans waived were linebacker Xavier Adibi, defensive end Damione Lewis, receiver Dorin Dickerson, tight end Anthony Hill, receiver Trindon Holliday, safety Quentin Demps, safety Torri Williams and linebacker Stanford Keglar.
Others placed on waivers were running back Javarris Williams, fullback Zac Pauga, receiver Jeff Maehl, receiver Derrick Townsel, offensive tackle Cole Pemberton, center Cody Wallace, center Howard Barbieri, offensive tackle Peter Hendrickson, defensive end Scooter Berry, defensive end John Graves, guard Andrew Gardner, linebacker Mister Alexander, nose tackle Guy Miller, outside linebacker Steven Friday and snapper Scott Albritton and linebacker Matt Marcorelle,
Safety Shiloh Keo, punter Brad Maynard and running back Chris Ogbonnaya were among the players waived by the Texans on Saturday when they reduced their roster from 80 to 52 – one short of the maximum 53.
General manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak will continue to rework the roster while the Texans prepare for the Sept. 11 opener against Indianapolis.
Among the veteran players kept on the roster were Steve Slaton as the fourth running back and Bryant Johnson as the fourth receiver.
Keo, the fifth-round pick from Idaho, didn’t make the team as the fifth safety. He’s a candidate for the practice squad if he clears waivers.
Because they waived Maynard, the Texans will be in the market for a new punter.
Ogbonnaya, who led the team in rushing in preseason with 54 carries for 192 yards, also could be placed on the practice squad.
Linebacker Cheta Ozougwu, a seven-round pick, was waived injured along with free agent receiver Terrence Toliver.
Saturday’s moves mean the Texans kept seven of their eight draft choices: defensive end J.J. Watt, outside linebacker Brooks Reed, cornerback Brandon Harris, cornerback Roc Carmichael, quarterback T.J. Yates and offensive tackle Derek Newton.
Carmichael, a fourth-round pick, didn’t play in preseason because of a shoulder injury.
Outside linebacker Bryan Braman, who signed as an undrafted free agent and recorded a team-high 2 ½ sacks in preseason, made the team.
Notable veterans waived were linebacker Xavier Adibi, defensive end Damione Lewis, receiver Dorin Dickerson, tight end Anthony Hill, receiver Trindon Holliday, safety Quentin Demps, safety Torri Williams and linebacker Stanford Keglar.
Others placed on waivers were running back Javarris Williams, fullback Zac Pauga, receiver Jeff Maehl, receiver Derrick Townsel, offensive tackle Cole Pemberton, center Cody Wallace, center Howard Barbieri, offensive tackle Peter Hendrickson, defensive end Scooter Berry, defensive end John Graves, guard Andrew Gardner, linebacker Mister Alexander, nose tackle Guy Miller, outside linebacker Steven Friday and snapper Scott Albritton and linebacker Matt Marcorelle,
coolnerd
Footballguy
a couple of weeks back it seemed like The Texans would be considering 6. Things changed really fast.
coolnerd
Footballguy
RICHMOND, TX (KTRK) -- Fort Bend County authorities are investigating a suspected drowning at the home of a Houston Texans football player.
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Investigators are at the scene now -- a home in the 2000 block of Grand River in Richmond that belongs to Houston Texans defensive end Antonio Smith.
According to neighbors, there was a large party at Smith's house last night. They had valet parking and neighbors could hear loud music.
This morning around 9:30am, the Richmond Fire Department was called out to the home. Officials at the scene said a dead body was found at the bottom of the pool.
The age and gender of the victim have not been released.
We have a crew at the scene. Please stay with Eyewitness News and abc13.com for more information as it becomes available.
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Investigators are at the scene now -- a home in the 2000 block of Grand River in Richmond that belongs to Houston Texans defensive end Antonio Smith.
According to neighbors, there was a large party at Smith's house last night. They had valet parking and neighbors could hear loud music.
This morning around 9:30am, the Richmond Fire Department was called out to the home. Officials at the scene said a dead body was found at the bottom of the pool.
The age and gender of the victim have not been released.
We have a crew at the scene. Please stay with Eyewitness News and abc13.com for more information as it becomes available.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Fort Bend County authorities are investigating a suspected drowning at the home of Houston Texans' defensive end Antonio Smith.
Authorities are at Smith's $1 million, five-acre estate in Richmond, where there was reportedly a large party Saturday night. Smith tweeted about a pool party Saturday, including one line that said, "Hot and sunny out at 94's paradise ranch cowboy boots ninja mask and speedo's."
The Richmond Fire Department was called out to the home this morning, where officials said a dead body was found at the bottom of the pool.
Fort Bend Sheriff's Office said the victim was an adult male. They would not provide any other details.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Authorities-Drowning-at-home-of-Texans-DE-2155296.php
Authorities are at Smith's $1 million, five-acre estate in Richmond, where there was reportedly a large party Saturday night. Smith tweeted about a pool party Saturday, including one line that said, "Hot and sunny out at 94's paradise ranch cowboy boots ninja mask and speedo's."
The Richmond Fire Department was called out to the home this morning, where officials said a dead body was found at the bottom of the pool.
Fort Bend Sheriff's Office said the victim was an adult male. They would not provide any other details.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Authorities-Drowning-at-home-of-Texans-DE-2155296.php
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-fill-roster-sign-7-to-practice-squad-2155491.php
The Texans filled out their roster by claiming offensive lineman Thomas Austin on waivers from New England.
The Texans also signed seven players to their practice squad, including safety Shiloh Keo, running back Chris Ogbonnaya and receiver Trindon Holliday.
Austin, who can play guard and center, gives them nine offensive lineman. He played at Clemson, signed with Minnesota as an undrafted free agent in 2010 and spent the season on the Patriots' practice squad.
The roster spot was available because the Texans were down to 52, one shy of the maximum.
The Texans will have to make another roster move this week after they find a punter to replace Brad Maynard, who was waived on Saturday.
Besides Keo, Ogbonnaya and Holliday, the Texans signed linebacker Mister Alexander, center Howard Barbieri, guard Andrew Gardner and receiver Jeff Maehl to the practice squad. They have one opening remaining to reach the maximum of eight.
Also, former Texans linebacker Xavier Adibi was claimed on waivers by Minnesota
The Texans filled out their roster by claiming offensive lineman Thomas Austin on waivers from New England.
The Texans also signed seven players to their practice squad, including safety Shiloh Keo, running back Chris Ogbonnaya and receiver Trindon Holliday.
Austin, who can play guard and center, gives them nine offensive lineman. He played at Clemson, signed with Minnesota as an undrafted free agent in 2010 and spent the season on the Patriots' practice squad.
The roster spot was available because the Texans were down to 52, one shy of the maximum.
The Texans will have to make another roster move this week after they find a punter to replace Brad Maynard, who was waived on Saturday.
Besides Keo, Ogbonnaya and Holliday, the Texans signed linebacker Mister Alexander, center Howard Barbieri, guard Andrew Gardner and receiver Jeff Maehl to the practice squad. They have one opening remaining to reach the maximum of eight.
Also, former Texans linebacker Xavier Adibi was claimed on waivers by Minnesota
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GregR
Footballguy
Battle Red Blog reporting that the Texans released Jesse Nading to re-sign punter Brett Hartman, who they had released last week.
One positive there is that Hartman has had training camp working with Rackers as the holder. I was a little concerned about this first week with the Texans having to break in someone new there.
One positive there is that Hartman has had training camp working with Rackers as the holder. I was a little concerned about this first week with the Texans having to break in someone new there.
