2012 Free Agency fantasy winners and losers (1 Viewer)

[Donsmith753]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner is Adrian Arrington and as soon as PM signs in Denver add Eric Decker to that list.

Been sitting on this guy for two years.

 

[djmich]

I see Hillis and J Charles both as losers compared to what their owners were hoping for. Pretty clear to me that whatever form of RBBC they end up with will be worse than each being featured somewhere separately.

I'm not sure about Hillis. Other than Cinnci, where else would he have been the featured back? Cleveland? It's better he is splitting on KC with his old OC then starting on the cluster called the Browns and being able to getting away from Pit 2X & Bal 2X.He's not a #1, and that was a very slim hope. But now he is a very solid #3 in my mind.

 

[icehacka]

I see Hillis and J Charles both as losers compared to what their owners were hoping for. Pretty clear to me that whatever form of RBBC they end up with will be worse than each being featured somewhere separately.

I'm not sure about Hillis. Other than Cinnci, where else would he have been the featured back? Cleveland? It's better he is splitting on KC with his old OC then starting on the cluster called the Browns and being able to getting away from Pit 2X & Bal 2X.He's not a #1, and that was a very slim hope. But now he is a very solid #3 in my mind.

Agreed on Hillis.And on Charles, owners can't have expected him to be the feature back for KC. He never has carried a full load, but still produced great numbers. I think this will be good for him. It takes some of the physical short yardage stuff off his shoulders and lets him get the 1st and 2nd down touches where there hopefully aren't 8 in the box. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Donsmith753]

I see Hillis and J Charles both as losers compared to what their owners were hoping for. Pretty clear to me that whatever form of RBBC they end up with will be worse than each being featured somewhere separately.

I'm not sure about Hillis. Other than Cinnci, where else would he have been the featured back? Cleveland? It's better he is splitting on KC with his old OC then starting on the cluster called the Browns and being able to getting away from Pit 2X & Bal 2X.He's not a #1, and that was a very slim hope. But now he is a very solid #3 in my mind.

Agreed on Hillis.And on Charles, owners can't have expected him to be the feature back for KC. He never has carried a full load, but still produced great numbers. I think this will be good for him. It takes some of the physical short yardage stuff off his shoulders and lets him get the 1st and 2nd down touches where there hopefully aren't 8 in the box. Just my 2 cents.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make in the other thread. It's not like some backs where you'd be shocked if they brought in a FA, KC was always going to add SOMEONE. I'd even seen Richardson mocked to them in some places so in the grand scheme of things I think this is fine.

 

[zamboni]

I see Hillis and J Charles both as losers compared to what their owners were hoping for. Pretty clear to me that whatever form of RBBC they end up with will be worse than each being featured somewhere separately.

I'm not sure about Hillis. Other than Cinnci, where else would he have been the featured back? Cleveland? It's better he is splitting on KC with his old OC then starting on the cluster called the Browns and being able to getting away from Pit 2X & Bal 2X.He's not a #1, and that was a very slim hope. But now he is a very solid #3 in my mind.

Agreed on Hillis.And on Charles, owners can't have expected him to be the feature back for KC. He never has carried a full load, but still produced great numbers. I think this will be good for him. It takes some of the physical short yardage stuff off his shoulders and lets him get the 1st and 2nd down touches where there hopefully aren't 8 in the box. Just my 2 cents.

They were definitely planning on adding someone, but I think a BJGE (or someone of that ilk) would have been less damaging to JC's fantasy value. As mentioned, Hillis can also catch the ball extremely well, unlike BJGE who is more of a straight line, smash mouth runner. Could mean more snaps to Hillis that would automatically go to Charles.At the end of the day, JC will have to get his TDs from outside the red zone, and those are very tough to come by. Not a good day for us Charles owners. :(

 

[az_prof]

I see Hillis and J Charles both as losers compared to what their owners were hoping for. Pretty clear to me that whatever form of RBBC they end up with will be worse than each being featured somewhere separately.

I'm not sure about Hillis. Other than Cinnci, where else would he have been the featured back? Cleveland? It's better he is splitting on KC with his old OC then starting on the cluster called the Browns and being able to getting away from Pit 2X & Bal 2X.He's not a #1, and that was a very slim hope. But now he is a very solid #3 in my mind.

Agreed on Hillis.And on Charles, owners can't have expected him to be the feature back for KC. He never has carried a full load, but still produced great numbers. I think this will be good for him. It takes some of the physical short yardage stuff off his shoulders and lets him get the 1st and 2nd down touches where there hopefully aren't 8 in the box. Just my 2 cents.

They were definitely planning on adding someone, but I think a BJGE (or someone of that ilk) would have been less damaging to JC's fantasy value. As mentioned, Hillis can also catch the ball extremely well, unlike BJGE who is more of a straight line, smash mouth runner. Could mean more snaps to Hillis that would automatically go to Charles.At the end of the day, JC will have to get his TDs from outside the red zone, and those are very tough to come by. Not a good day for us Charles owners. :(

I agree that Charles' value drops although anyone who thought that they were going to give him 100% of the touches this season was dreaming. He needs to split carries. The real question is how quickly and fully does he return from his injury and what is the breakdown in touches between Hillis and him? He could be anywhere from a solid RB2 to a low end RB3 now.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I see Hillis and J Charles both as losers compared to what their owners were hoping for. Pretty clear to me that whatever form of RBBC they end up with will be worse than each being featured somewhere separately.

I'm not sure about Hillis. Other than Cinnci, where else would he have been the featured back? Cleveland? It's better he is splitting on KC with his old OC then starting on the cluster called the Browns and being able to getting away from Pit 2X & Bal 2X.He's not a #1, and that was a very slim hope. But now he is a very solid #3 in my mind.

Agreed on Hillis.And on Charles, owners can't have expected him to be the feature back for KC. He never has carried a full load, but still produced great numbers. I think this will be good for him. It takes some of the physical short yardage stuff off his shoulders and lets him get the 1st and 2nd down touches where there hopefully aren't 8 in the box. Just my 2 cents.

They were definitely planning on adding someone, but I think a BJGE (or someone of that ilk) would have been less damaging to JC's fantasy value. As mentioned, Hillis can also catch the ball extremely well, unlike BJGE who is more of a straight line, smash mouth runner. Could mean more snaps to Hillis that would automatically go to Charles.At the end of the day, JC will have to get his TDs from outside the red zone, and those are very tough to come by. Not a good day for us Charles owners. :(

I agree that Charles' value drops although anyone who thought that they were going to give him 100% of the touches this season was dreaming. He needs to split carries. The real question is how quickly and fully does he return from his injury and what is the breakdown in touches between Hillis and him? He could be anywhere from a solid RB2 to a low end RB3 now.

Are you saying Charles would be the RB2/RB3?I don't disagree except I'd say he could be an elite RB1 anywhere to a RB3. If you think he has no shot at being a RB1 that's crazy talk.

 

[zamboni]

I see Hillis and J Charles both as losers compared to what their owners were hoping for. Pretty clear to me that whatever form of RBBC they end up with will be worse than each being featured somewhere separately.

I'm not sure about Hillis. Other than Cinnci, where else would he have been the featured back? Cleveland? It's better he is splitting on KC with his old OC then starting on the cluster called the Browns and being able to getting away from Pit 2X & Bal 2X.He's not a #1, and that was a very slim hope. But now he is a very solid #3 in my mind.

Agreed on Hillis.And on Charles, owners can't have expected him to be the feature back for KC. He never has carried a full load, but still produced great numbers. I think this will be good for him. It takes some of the physical short yardage stuff off his shoulders and lets him get the 1st and 2nd down touches where there hopefully aren't 8 in the box. Just my 2 cents.

They were definitely planning on adding someone, but I think a BJGE (or someone of that ilk) would have been less damaging to JC's fantasy value. As mentioned, Hillis can also catch the ball extremely well, unlike BJGE who is more of a straight line, smash mouth runner. Could mean more snaps to Hillis that would automatically go to Charles.At the end of the day, JC will have to get his TDs from outside the red zone, and those are very tough to come by. Not a good day for us Charles owners. :(

I agree that Charles' value drops although anyone who thought that they were going to give him 100% of the touches this season was dreaming. He needs to split carries. The real question is how quickly and fully does he return from his injury and what is the breakdown in touches between Hillis and him? He could be anywhere from a solid RB2 to a low end RB3 now.

Are you saying Charles would be the RB2/RB3?I don't disagree except I'd say he could be an elite RB1 anywhere to a RB3. If you think he has no shot at being a RB1 that's crazy talk.

If Hillis turns out to be more like the 2011 version than the 2010 version AND Charles makes a full recovery, then JC could move back to a RB1. Lots of ifs though, so we won't know until well into the season.

 

[Tau837]

Agree with all of these except VJax. How does getting Freeman to throw him the ball instead of Rivers improve his production? He was already the WR1 in SD so being the WR1 in Tampa isn't going to improve his production. At best he is a "hold steady," but it seems to me that his fantasy production is more likely to go down than up with the change in teams.

Jackson never got more than 115 targets in a season in San Diego. Given the contract he just signed, he's looking at 140+ targets per season for at least a few years. I agree Freeman isn't as good as Rivers, but a 20%+ increase in targets makes up for a lot. I don't see any real chance of his fantasy production dropping.

 

[Tau837]

Meachem is a winner for sure

VJax > Meachem

That is irrelevant for purposes of this thread. What is relevant is whether or not Meachem's situation in San Diego will be better than his situation was in New Orleans. Meachem never had more than 73 targets in a season in New Orleans. He had 73 targets last year, which was 4th on the team (and just one more target than Moore had).He should get in the neighborhood of 100 targets in San Diego. He moves from Payton/Brees to Turner/Rivers, perhaps a slight downgrade. All in all, he is a fantasy winner due to the likely significant jump in targets.

Advantage Vincent Brown?

No. Brown will get fewer targets than Gates, Mathews, Meachem, and Floyd. It has been a long time since the #2 WR in San Diego made much of a fantasy impact, much less the #3 WR.