Joe Summer
Footballguy
Has any other Madden cover player lost their starting job the following season?
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Lucky Lefty
Footballguy
Fellas, lighten up!!! It's not about race, but I would just like to know one thing.. Why in the hell did Hillis get? To have him beat out Rodgers... Really!?! Just nonsense. Madden drop the ball on this one..
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Same here. Couldn't be happier
RobertBobson
Footballguy
As opposed to all the white collar, pretty boy running backs? You don't get to become a starting running back in the NFL without being tough, and working hard. It's the most punishing position in sports. I'm just saying, I don't believe I've ever heard a black player's style described as hard nosed or blue collar.'Third said:
bonesman
Footballguy
Green Bay'Lucky Lefty said:
opulation (2010) - City 104,057 - Density 3,332.1/sq mi (1,900.5/km2) - Metro 282,599Clevelandopulation (2010)[1][3] - City 396,815 (43rd in 2,009) - Density 5,113/sq mi (1,974.1/km2) - Metro 2,250,871 (2,009) - Demonym Clevelanderwhat's so difficult to understand about that?
RobertBobson
Footballguy
preposterous. First of all, you need to include the Milwaukee metro area in that, as the packers are beloved by basically the whole state of Wisconsin, not just green bay. Secondly, the packers aren't just a regional franchise, but a national one. After the Steelers and the Cowboys, I would guess they have the most fans nationally. Their popularity extends far beyond the Green Bay metro era.Green Bay'Lucky Lefty said:
bonesman
Footballguy
Not from what I've heard. A good percentage of Western Wisconsin are apparently Vikes fans (even before the exodus of Lord Favre)preposterous. First of all, you need to include the Milwaukee metro area in that, as the packers are beloved by basically the whole state of Wisconsin, not just green bay. Secondly, the packers aren't just a regional franchise, but a national one. After the Steelers and the Cowboys, I would guess they have the most fans nationally. Their popularity extends far beyond the Green Bay metro era.Green Bay'Lucky Lefty said:
- City 104,057
- Density 3,332.1/sq mi (1,900.5/km2)
- Metro 282,599
Cleveland:
Population (2010)[1][3]
- City 396,815 (43rd in 2,009)
- Density 5,113/sq mi (1,974.1/km2)
- Metro 2,250,871 (2,009)
- Demonym Clevelander
what's so difficult to understand about that?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm just glad it wasn't Rodgers, who is actually the best player in the NFL.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess there's really no way to really prove or disprove that. However in a very unscientific study (my observations), Id' say besides the two teams that you mentioned (that are likely far ahead) the following teams also have a bigger national following than the Packers:Raiders (#3 by far imo)
Patriots
Bears
49ers
Dolphins
Redskins
There may be more.
Paul Brown
Footballguy
Browns Backers Worldwide is one of the largest organized fan clubs in the worldpreposterous. First of all, you need to include the Milwaukee metro area in that, as the packers are beloved by basically the whole state of Wisconsin, not just green bay. Secondly, the packers aren't just a regional franchise, but a national one. After the Steelers and the Cowboys, I would guess they have the most fans nationally. Their popularity extends far beyond the Green Bay metro era.Green Bay'Lucky Lefty said:
RobertBobson
Footballguy
http://www.steelersgab.com/2011/01/08/steelers-lead-the-nfl-in-all-merchandise-sales/
Some merchandise sales figures, from april 1 2010 to jan 2 2011.
1) Steelers
2) Cowboys
3) Saints( no surprise, coming off a superbowl win)
4) Eagles ( I'm sure vick fueled 90% of these sales, plus Philly is a huge market)
5) Patriots ( huge market, and in the middle of the dynasty, Makes sense)
6) bears ( 3rd market, no competing teams)
7) Giants ( first market)
8) Packers (32nd market)
Obviously the packers are generating merchandise sales beyond their market Of these top 8, besides the saints who get a superbowl boost, the only other team from a similar market is the steelers.
I don't know where the browns are on merch. sales, but I would guess in the bottom 3rd.
Some merchandise sales figures, from april 1 2010 to jan 2 2011.
1) Steelers
2) Cowboys
3) Saints( no surprise, coming off a superbowl win)
4) Eagles ( I'm sure vick fueled 90% of these sales, plus Philly is a huge market)
5) Patriots ( huge market, and in the middle of the dynasty, Makes sense)
6) bears ( 3rd market, no competing teams)
7) Giants ( first market)
8) Packers (32nd market)
Obviously the packers are generating merchandise sales beyond their market Of these top 8, besides the saints who get a superbowl boost, the only other team from a similar market is the steelers.
I don't know where the browns are on merch. sales, but I would guess in the bottom 3rd.
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There is some huge nonsense going on in this thread, so I'm going to sort it out. Feel free to quote or respond to me if you disagree with what I'm saying.
1. Hillis getting the cover was DEFINITELY a racial thing. Anyone trying to deny this is lying to themself. You can come up with tons of reasons for why he got the vote other than that, like Cleveland's campaign to do it, but there's no way that Cleveland by themselves could have gotten Hillis past all those other players including Aaron Rodgers. Hillis won this because he is popular nationwide and had a large contingent of neutral parties vote for him, and his popularity is because he's a white running back.
2. ...And there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I don't know why people are so afraid to admit they root for Hillis because he's a white running back. You should feel completely free to say it, he's unique! A rare specimen in this day and age. This happens all the time, and let's face it, players such as Michael Vick himself the first time he was on the cover (2004) were hyped up and got people excited because here was a black QB with rare and exciting athletic ability looking like a superstar on the field. There was even an article recently on ESPN about the intriguing story of 2 black kickers trying to make it in the NFL this year, and the stigma against them because of the lack of other black kickers historically.
People like new rare and exciting players, and Hillis is one of them. There's nothing wrong AT ALL with rooting for him just because he's white! As long as you don't use it as a springboard for hate towards other ethnicities, cheer away!
1. Hillis getting the cover was DEFINITELY a racial thing. Anyone trying to deny this is lying to themself. You can come up with tons of reasons for why he got the vote other than that, like Cleveland's campaign to do it, but there's no way that Cleveland by themselves could have gotten Hillis past all those other players including Aaron Rodgers. Hillis won this because he is popular nationwide and had a large contingent of neutral parties vote for him, and his popularity is because he's a white running back.
2. ...And there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I don't know why people are so afraid to admit they root for Hillis because he's a white running back. You should feel completely free to say it, he's unique! A rare specimen in this day and age. This happens all the time, and let's face it, players such as Michael Vick himself the first time he was on the cover (2004) were hyped up and got people excited because here was a black QB with rare and exciting athletic ability looking like a superstar on the field. There was even an article recently on ESPN about the intriguing story of 2 black kickers trying to make it in the NFL this year, and the stigma against them because of the lack of other black kickers historically.
People like new rare and exciting players, and Hillis is one of them. There's nothing wrong AT ALL with rooting for him just because he's white! As long as you don't use it as a springboard for hate towards other ethnicities, cheer away!
Third
Footballguy
Ridiculous.There were only 1 million votes cast in the finals TOTAL. That means Hillis received about 650,000 votes (definitely not all unique voters).
Metro Cleveland has 2.2 million alone. Arkansas, though not a huge state (2 million population), pushed the hometown boy heavily for more than a week and 99% of those votes went to Hillis. Plus, you likely had a very strong "anti-Vick" vote related to the dog-fighting stuff.
All in all, I would guess "race" is about 10th on the list of factors that propelled Hillis to victory.
You can keep lying to yourself, but I don't see why you're denying people like him and vote for him because he's a white running back. Nothing wrong with it, like I said, it's just the way it is.
And they likely WERE unique voters, by the way. I know because I voted in the contest a few times, and once you do it you're ineligible to vote on the same matchup again.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
I was a Packer fan who voted for Hillis. I don't believe in curses but it doesn't hurt to stay away...
