2012 Mock Draft (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

This is my 2012 mock draft. Mock it at your own risk.

1. Indy - QB A. Luck - Not much to ellaborate on here. Luck is known to be the best QB prospect since P. Manning. It wouldn't surprise me if Indy had him under contract before the draft.

2. *TRADE* Clev - QB R. Griffin III - This pick will be traded, it's only a matter of with who. Clev seems like the most appropriate partner given their available picks and need for a franchise QB. The only minor questions I have is if Clev does in fact see RGIII as a true franchise QB. It may seem like a silly questions given that most everyone does, however we have to remember that these teams spend a great deal of time breaking down these picks. As hard as it is to believe at times, yes they often come to different conclusions than the masses on a player. Regardless of what I just said, I think Clev ends up seeing RGIII as their franchise QB of the future and they do what it takes to move up and grab him.

3. Minn - T R. Kalil - Kalil is an easy choice for Minn at the 3 spot in a rare aligning of the stars where the BPA is also filling the teams biggest need. I can't envision any situation in which Minn does not draft Kalil if he is available.

4. *TRADE* St. L - WR J. Blackmon - This is the 1st pick that I really have to think about. Many probably wonder why. Well, I don't think Blackmon is a top 5 player in this draft and I'm not sure he will grade out as such on St. L's board. As a matter of fact I expect that M. Claiborne will grade out higher and he also would fill a position of need. I mean St. L needs players just about everywhere. Most see this pick for St. L as a simple matter of taking whoever of Kalil or Blackmon are left. I think Claiborne is serioulsy in the discussion. In the end however, Blackmon grades out closley enough to Claiborne that he is the guy. St. L needs a WR1 and a jolt to their struggling offense. Most of all, Bradford needs a legit target other than Lyodd. St. L sees Blackmon as that guy.

5. TB - CB M. Claiborne - Like Minn, TB lucks out in that the BPA also happens to fill their greatest need. Some have Richardson going here but I can't envision any way TB passes up the best CB in the draft and a player that grades out just as highly as Richardson if he is available.

6. *TRADE* Buf - DE Q. Coples - Wash will try like hell to trade up and get RGIII but will eventually realize they simply don't have the same ammunition to compete with Clev. When they do, they will start looking to trade this pick, move back and pick up extra picks. Buf has been vocal about their need to add pass rushers and they take the opportunity to move up and get the guy they see as the best in the draft. Coples will team with Dareus to create a strong defesnsive front for years to come.

7. Jack - T R. Reiff - Jack needs help on the Oline in a big way. Reiff is a top 10 prospect and fills a dramatic need for Jack.

8. Mia - DE M. Ingram - Personally, I think Ingram should go before Coples as the #1 DE in this class. He is a great fit for the Dolphins to line up across from C. Wake and Mia desperatly needs help improving their pass rush.

9. Car - DT D. Poe - Given his out of this world performance at the combine I think Poe catapulted himself into the top 10 of this draft. Car, a team with huge needs at DT, will not be able to ignore the rare physical abilities of Poe.

10. *TRADE* Wash - T J. Martin - After missing out on the RGIII auction, Wash is able to move back and still draft a great player who fills a need for them. If Wash aquires Flynn or Manning in FA this pick becomes even more likely IMO as they will look to add peices to help protect their new QB.

11. KC - G D. DeCastro - I've envisioned KC taking DeCastro at this pick for a long time. I've tried to talk myself out of it because a G going this high is just abnormal. Many feel it's silly to take a G this high and think it simply can't happen based on previous draft positions for G's. DeCastro is a special player though and KC has an huge need at the interior of their Oline. The only player who grades higher than DeCastro that is still on the board is Richardson and he too is a realistic option for the Cheifs.

12. Sea - LB L. Kuechly - I think this pick will come down to Kuechly or Upshaw for Sea. Kuechly was very impressive at the combine and answered some of the looming questions about his athletic ability. He possesses rare instincts for the position and solidified himself as the best LB in the draft IMO.

13. Arz - LB C. Upshaw - Sea helps Arz come to their decision as they to are looking at Kuechly and Upshaw. Seeing that Kuechly is now off the board I think Upshaw is the pick.

14. Dal - CB J. Jenkins - Dal had hoped DeCastro would fall to them here but KC ruined that. Dal's secondary is a mess. Jenkins handled the questions about his character very well at the combine from the reports I've seen and his physical gifts have never been questioned. He is a great fit for Dal, assumming they are content with his new attitude.

15. Philly - DT D. Still - The Eagles ability to stop the run is a massive issue and it's starts with their lack of physicallity up front. Still immediately improves this for Philly.

16. NYJ - RB T. Richardson - I'm a believer that Richardson is a top 10 player in this draft but because of the reduscing value of RBs, he will fall bellow his proper draft position. This couldn't work out any better for the Jets as they claim the best RB prospect in years at pick 1.16.

17. Cinci - CB D. Kirkpatrick - CB is probably Cinci's biggest need. Hall is coming into the season injured and Clements is simply old. Dre can step in a be a starter immediately for the Bengles. He may be moved to Nickle when Hall returns to form later in the season or, he may force Clements into that role.

18. SD - DE N. Perry - Like many teams, SD needs pass rushers. Perry is the best available at this spot.

19. Chi - WR M. Floyd - The Bears desperatly need a go to WR and luck out in that Flyod is still on the board here. The only question I have about this pick is if it will be Floyd or Wright. I think Floyd's impressive combine seals him as the pick.

20. Tenn - DE W. Mercilus - Mercilus was a pure terror in the BIG last season, recording 16 sacks. He is a speed rusher with great athletic ability and would fit just what Tenn needs on their front 4.

21. Cinci - RB D. Wilson - I have sever doubt about this pick as I have no idea who will be the #2 RB to come off the board. Any of Wilson, Miller or Martin could be that guy. I like Wilson as the favorite because of his display at the combine. He showed tremendous burst and athletic ability. Martin was impressive too. Miller didn't do positional drills but could easily vault the other guys with his pro day.

22. *TRADE* St. L - DT F. Cox - St. L needs to take the BPA with this pick and I think that is Cox.

23. Det - RB L. Miller - Given the past few drafts and what Det has invested in RBs it's hard to imagine that this is a real need for them. Unfortunately becuase of injuries it is though. Like the previous RB pick I have no idea if it will be Miller or Martin but right now I've got Miller higher on my board.

24. Pitt - G C. Glen - Glen is a great fit and pick for the Steeler here. He was impressive at the combine and is perhaps the best player on the board.

25. Den - S M. Barron - Den is old in the secondary and Barron is easily the best DB on the board as the highest rated S in this draft.

26. Hou - WR K. Wright - Most of the reports I've heard indicate that Hou is going to be looking for a WR early in this draft. With Wright falling to 26 Hou jumps all over him.

27. NE - LB D. Hightower - Hightower is a versitle player who NE could line up in several places on their deffense. NE needs youth and talent in their front 7 and Hightower is a nice fit.

28. GB - DE M. Brockers - GB is fortunate in that they don't have any real needs to fill so they end up picking they guy they have at as the BPA.

29. Balt - LB Z. Brown - Balt doesn't have a need for a LB but Brown is simply too good a player to pass up here. They do have an aging D and only 1 true pass rusher and will look to find ways to get Brown into those pass rushing situations.

30. SF - WR S. Hill - Wow, talk about improving your draft position through the combine! Hill as a legit chance to go in the 1st round because of his showing, like it or not. SF needs to add playmakers on offense, particularly at WR. This pick could drastically change if SF addresses WR via FA (something I see as more likely) but I'm not assuming that right now.

31. *TRADE* St. L - TE C. Fleener - NE is always willing to make a deal and don't have any player they love here. St. L, looking to add more and more playmakers move up from 2.01 to take the best remaning playmaker on the board.

32. NYG - CB A. Denard - NYG could be set to loose several CBs via FA this year. If that is the case they will go with the best CB on their board at this pick.

 

[pantherclub]

Panthers biggest need is CB by a wide margin. I doubt Dre Fitz slips past them at 9.

However like you, I think that there might be a lot of trading in the top picks and this could allow Blackmon to fall a tad. Claiborne, Kalil and Reif are all going to be highly sought out players early going. I could see Jacksonville lucking up and having Blackmon fall into their laps.

 

[jurb26]

Panthers biggest need is CB by a wide margin. I doubt Dre Fitz slips past them at 9. However like you, I think that there might be a lot of trading in the top picks and this could allow Blackmon to fall a tad. Claiborne, Kalil and Reif are all going to be highly sought out players early going. I could see Jacksonville lucking up and having Blackmon fall into their laps.

I think Dre is a reach at 1.09, perhaps Jenkins could be your guy then. Poe also fills a need and he has the look of a dominant player on the inside.

 

[MAC_32]

Good job.

Only critiques are I don't think there's anyway Hightower falls that far, I don't see St Louis trading up for Fleener in round 1 (maybe round 2), and I'm not seeing Kuechly in Seattle...not there anyway. There are lots of lousy picks, but they're all ones that I see teams making (i.e. Poe, D Wilson, and S Hill) even though they shouldn't.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Its tough for me to try and do the entire first round at this point but I'll try my top-ten.

1. IND: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

Pretty much a sure thing on all accounts.

2. WAS: Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor*

St. Louis might overplay their hand and ask too much to get the Browns pick.

3. MIN: Matt Kalil, OT, USC

Looks like a perfect landing spot.

4. CLE: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

The Browns won't overpay to move up and gladly take BPA.

5. TB: Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

He certainly looks the part of a #1 WR.

6. STL: Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa*

His interviews were great but he's still got short arms. Rams overplay their hand and regret it.

7. JAX: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina

Luv this kid, think he will be a stud.

8. CAR: Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

Looks fantastic and has huge upside IMHO.

9. MIA: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

Even if they sign Flynn this may be their pick.

10. BUF: Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama

I'm sure they'd prefer Ingram but will settle for Upshaw.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

6. *TRADE* Buf - DE Q. Coples - Wash will try like hell to trade up and get RGIII but will eventually realize they simply don't have the same ammunition to compete with Clev. When they do, they will start looking to trade this pick, move back and pick up extra picks. Buf has been vocal about their need to add pass rushers and they take the opportunity to move up and get the guy they see as the best in the draft. Coples will team with Dareus to create a strong defesnsive front for years to come.

Great read. Just speaking as a Bills fan, Nix has gone on record a couple times recently and said they will not be in the business of trading up. He said something like he has 9 picks and plans on using them all. I think he said he wants more too. But I do like the pick of a DE. I hope we come out of the draft with Ingram or Couples.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

10. BUF: Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama

I'm sure they'd prefer Ingram but will settle for Upshaw.

Again, just speaking as a Bills fan, I think with the switch to the 4-3 and moving away from the 3-4 makes Upshaw a little less of the pick. I think we are gonna be going after more of a 4-3 DE with this pick (or maybe an OT) and not a pass rushing OLB that fits better in a 3-4.But you never know.

 

[Abrantes]

Its tough for me to try and do the entire first round at this point but I'll try my top-ten.

1. IND: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

Pretty much a sure thing on all accounts.

2. WAS: Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor*

St. Louis might overplay their hand and ask too much to get the Browns pick.

3. MIN: Matt Kalil, OT, USC

Looks like a perfect landing spot.

4. CLE: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

The Browns won't overpay to move up and gladly take BPA.

5. TB: Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

He certainly looks the part of a #1 WR.

6. STL: Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa*

His interviews were great but he's still got short arms. Rams overplay their hand and regret it.

7. JAX: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina

Luv this kid, think he will be a stud.

8. CAR: Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

Looks fantastic and has huge upside IMHO.

9. MIA: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

Even if they sign Flynn this may be their pick.

10. BUF: Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama

I'm sure they'd prefer Ingram but will settle for Upshaw.

Not sure why you're talking about the Rams overplaying their hand and regretting it. I'm sure they'd love to make a deal with the Redskins, if the compensation is along the lines of what's been rumored. The Browns are far from their only legitimate suitor. Not sure I'd give them Reiff with the 6th pick, though.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

not sure the Rams should take Blackmon at 4. Also, I think its matt Kahlil not Ryan Kahlil!

but other than that great job! Appreciate the work

 

[MAC_32]

Mock's are tough.

RG3 depends where Manning and Flynn go.

And I think there is going to be A LOT of trading between picks 9ish and 20. Teams wanting the one of Upshaw, Coples, and Ingram to fall will be looking at Carolina's pick to get in front of Buffalo. Teams wanting Richardson must get in front of the Jets. Teams wanting a CB have to get in front of at least Cincy and maybe Dallas too. Tennessee is a bit of a wild card. I see them trading up for an OL (probably need to get in top 13) but if they stay put teams will be trying to go in front to get Mercilus. If not them then maybe Cleveland, depending if they go offense or defense with the first pick. Kuechly's an easy one, you have to get in front of Philly. WR is interesting. Some are going to be enthralled with Hill and Jeffrey, but where do you have to get to get them? Some are going to want Wright, you have to get in front of Houston but who else? Floyd could go as early as Jax but as late as Chicago.

There's probably more that I missed. COuld be a crazy Thursday night!

 

[Kenny Powers]

Good job.Only critiques are I don't think there's anyway Hightower falls that far,

I havent seen anyone mock him higher than 24. McShay just put him on his big board at 32, he's not on Kiper's. Donta going 27 seems appropriate.

 

[MAC_32]

Good job.Only critiques are I don't think there's anyway Hightower falls that far,

I havent seen anyone mock him higher than 24. McShay just put him on his big board at 32, he's not on Kiper's. Donta going 27 seems appropriate.

That surprises me. I think he's like Richardson and Kuechly. A top 10 player at a position not strongly valued by most teams. I don't think he falls through Pittsburgh if he makes it that far, they're a BPA drafting team and I think at that point it's clearly him. As a Sylvester owner I hope he goes before then and I think there are a lot of potential landing spots, but I'd be very surprised if he fell through the Steelers.

 

[Ilov80s]

I would be shocked and angry if the Lions take Lamar Miller. Based on your mock, Id say Barron or Hightower would be the choice.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Good job.Only critiques are I don't think there's anyway Hightower falls that far,

I havent seen anyone mock him higher than 24. McShay just put him on his big board at 32, he's not on Kiper's. Donta going 27 seems appropriate.

That surprises me. I think he's like Richardson and Kuechly. A top 10 player at a position not strongly valued by most teams. I don't think he falls through Pittsburgh if he makes it that far, they're a BPA drafting team and I think at that point it's clearly him. As a Sylvester owner I hope he goes before then and I think there are a lot of potential landing spots, but I'd be very surprised if he fell through the Steelers.

I hope the Steelers draft him and think if he's there at 24 (which I fully expect him to be), there is a very good chance they take him. In fact, only way I dont see them taking him is if Cordy Glenn is still available, and even then they still may prefer Hightower.

 

[5Rings]

I would be shocked and angry if the Lions take Lamar Miller. Based on your mock, Id say Barron or Hightower would be the choice.

Good mock when there are only 2 picks I take issue with: 23 and 31. Rams spent a high 2 on Lance Kendricks last year, can't see them trading up for another TE. Nice read.

 

[jurb26]

I would be shocked and angry if the Lions take Lamar Miller. Based on your mock, Id say Barron or Hightower would be the choice.

Good mock when there are only 2 picks I take issue with: 23 and 31. Rams spent a high 2 on Lance Kendricks last year, can't see them trading up for another TE. Nice read.

I thought long and hard about Barron and Hightower for Det at that spot. Actually, in my 1st mock I had Barron going there. Personally, I think Hightower is a guy who should go in the top 20. I think he's that good. Everything I'm seeing however shows him falling to the end of the 1st. I love Hightower as a player and think he will end up being one of the day one steals for a team. Mocks are a blend of what people expect to happen and what they think should happen though. This is one of those things I just expect will happen regardless of how I feel about it. Trades are always tough to place in a mock and I've placed several. I can understand people not liking that pick. I really do think that if the draft goes down like my mock (extremely unlikely I know) NE will look to move that pick. Fleener seems like the most probable guy a team would trade up to get (even if it isn't St. L) as I think the team looking at him will want to be in front of NYG, a team who could easily take him.That's my logic at any rate.

 

[Bankerguy]

This would be an absolute nightmare for the Cowboys. I don't think they take Jenkins, not because of the drugs, but because of his current posse of friends. I would hope Dallas would try to trade down in this scenario.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Its tough for me to try and do the entire first round at this point but I'll try my top-ten.

1. IND: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

Pretty much a sure thing on all accounts.

2. WAS: Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor*

St. Louis might overplay their hand and ask too much to get the Browns pick.

3. MIN: Matt Kalil, OT, USC

Looks like a perfect landing spot.

4. CLE: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

The Browns won't overpay to move up and gladly take BPA.

5. TB: Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

He certainly looks the part of a #1 WR.

6. STL: Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa*

His interviews were great but he's still got short arms. Rams overplay their hand and regret it.

7. JAX: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina

Luv this kid, think he will be a stud.

8. CAR: Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

Looks fantastic and has huge upside IMHO.

9. MIA: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

Even if they sign Flynn this may be their pick.

10. BUF: Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama

I'm sure they'd prefer Ingram but will settle for Upshaw.

Not sure why you're talking about the Rams overplaying their hand and regretting it. I'm sure they'd love to make a deal with the Redskins, if the compensation is along the lines of what's been rumored. The Browns are far from their only legitimate suitor. Not sure I'd give them Reiff with the 6th pick, though.

St. Louis has many options to make a trade but they don't have many options to address their OT problem and if they trade down too far they stand the chance to miss out of the blue-chip prospects in this draft that would address other dire needs for the Rams.If they make a deal with Cleveland they would 'probably' be able to get the Atlanta pick (#22) in addition to their original first round pick (#4) where St. Louis would be assured of one of the blue-chip prospects in this draft which could address one of their dire needs and with the 22nd pick they would be able to address their OT issue.

If they demand too much from Cleveland and wind up trading down too far they 'could' easily miss out on the blue-chip prospects who would address a dire need (WR, CB) and since Washington has no other first-round draft picks this year they would have to wait until the second round to address their OT issue. Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both agree that the Rams would be out of luck if they had to wait till the second round to try and address OT. At 22 their should be a few guys who would be able to address OT so they could come away much improved if they don't ask for too much.

So if they trade down too far they risk missing blue-chip prospects who fill a dire need and also don't have that extra first round pick to address OT so their hand could be forced to take the second best OT of this draft who may be only marginally better than who they could have gotten in a deal with Cleveland.

 

[eakfootball]

Michael Brokers will not fall to 28,

 

[notdarkyet]

If Richardson drops like that and the Bengals don't make a move to get ahead of the Jets to grab him, I will be very disappointed.

 

[Ilov80s]

I would be shocked and angry if the Lions take Lamar Miller. Based on your mock, Id say Barron or Hightower would be the choice.

Good mock when there are only 2 picks I take issue with: 23 and 31. Rams spent a high 2 on Lance Kendricks last year, can't see them trading up for another TE. Nice read.

I thought long and hard about Barron and Hightower for Det at that spot. Actually, in my 1st mock I had Barron going there. Personally, I think Hightower is a guy who should go in the top 20. I think he's that good. Everything I'm seeing however shows him falling to the end of the 1st. I love Hightower as a player and think he will end up being one of the day one steals for a team. Mocks are a blend of what people expect to happen and what they think should happen though. This is one of those things I just expect will happen regardless of how I feel about it. Trades are always tough to place in a mock and I've placed several. I can understand people not liking that pick. I really do think that if the draft goes down like my mock (extremely unlikely I know) NE will look to move that pick. Fleener seems like the most probable guy a team would trade up to get (even if it isn't St. L) as I think the team looking at him will want to be in front of NYG, a team who could easily take him.That's my logic at any rate.

It's a good mock and the Lions are going BPA. I just question if Miller is really the BPA there.

 

[Donnybrook]

If the Rams trade down with Washington, I believe they should go with the best player available. IMO, Coples would be the BPA at 6. They shoud take him ahead of the Jags. It not like they don't need to improve their defensive ends. Looking at the Rams depth chart they have at 35 year old James Hall starting opposite Jake Chris Long. It is obvious that having a healthy pass rush instantly improves the pass defense.

This is good year to get a free agent wide receiver with so many available. Also, Reiff is a good player but Mayock has said that he thinks he should be going between 10-20 in the draft and it only need that keeping him in the top 10.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If the Rams trade down with Washington, I believe they should go with the best player available. IMO, Coples would be the BPA at 6. They shoud take him ahead of the Jags. It not like they don't need to improve their defensive ends. Looking at the Rams depth chart they have at 35 year old James Hall starting opposite Jake Chris Long. It is obvious that having a healthy pass rush instantly improves the pass defense.

This is good year to get a free agent wide receiver with so many available. Also, Reiff is a good player but Mayock has said that he thinks he should be going between 10-20 in the draft and it only need that keeping him in the top 10.

The Rams have used three first-round draft picks on defensive linemen over the last five drafts. 2011 - pick 14 in the first round DE Robert Quinn

2008 - pick 2 in the first round DE Chris Long

2007 - pick 13 in the first round DE Adam Carriker

Jene Brammel recently wrapped up an in-depth three part series on Coples, really good read BTW. Their are questions with Coples and every pass rusher in this draft. A few of the DTs look like good prospects yet I'm not certain any of the pass rusher merit top five/six selections. I don't think Rief does either for that matter but if the Rams don't come away with an extra first round pick in any RG III deal I think they will have to address their OT issue with any top pick that they come away with.

Right now the Browns are not willing to deal the Atlanta pick.

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Report: Cleveland Browns aren't willing to give Rams their No. 22 at this point

Updated: Sunday, March 04, 2012, 10:01 AM

CLEVELAND -- The Browns aren't willing to surrender their No. 22 pick at this point as part of a trade package to move up to No. 2 with the Rams to draft Robert Griffin III, league sources told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch...

 

[Donnybrook]

If the Rams trade down with Washington, I believe they should go with the best player available. IMO, Coples would be the BPA at 6. They shoud take him ahead of the Jags. It not like they don't need to improve their defensive ends. Looking at the Rams depth chart they have at 35 year old James Hall starting opposite Jake Chris Long. It is obvious that having a healthy pass rush instantly improves the pass defense.

This is good year to get a free agent wide receiver with so many available. Also, Reiff is a good player but Mayock has said that he thinks he should be going between 10-20 in the draft and it only need that keeping him in the top 10.

The Rams have used three first-round draft picks on defensive linemen over the last five drafts. 2011 - pick 14 in the first round DE Robert Quinn

2008 - pick 2 in the first round DE Chris Long

2007 - pick 13 in the first round DE Adam Carriker

Jene Brammel recently wrapped up an in-depth three part series on Coples, really good read BTW. Their are questions with Coples and every pass rusher in this draft. A few of the DTs look like good prospects yet I'm not certain any of the pass rusher merit top five/six selections. I don't think Rief does either for that matter but if the Rams don't come away with an extra first round pick in any RG III deal I think they will have to address their OT issue with any top pick that they come away with.

Right now the Browns are not willing to deal the Atlanta pick.

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Report: Cleveland Browns aren't willing to give Rams their No. 22 at this point

Updated: Sunday, March 04, 2012, 10:01 AM

CLEVELAND -- The Browns aren't willing to surrender their No. 22 pick at this point as part of a trade package to move up to No. 2 with the Rams to draft Robert Griffin III, league sources told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch...

Rams have a new GM, new coach and new coaching staff. I don't they will be limited by picks made by the past regime. Most often new coaches clean house and bring their type of players. Coples is a better prospect than Rieff and Blackmon IMO. We can agree to disagree here.

I have St Louis trading with Washington so Cleveland not willing to give up the 22 helps my position.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Rams have a new GM, new coach and new coaching staff. I don't they will be limited by picks made by the past regime. Most often new coaches clean house and bring their type of players. Coples is a better prospect than Rieff and Blackmon IMO. We can agree to disagree here.

I have St Louis trading with Washington so Cleveland not willing to give up the 22 helps my position.

Two of the three first-round draft picks are under old 1st round CBA rookie contracts so I would logically assume that they have invested quite a bit of money in their defensie line, in addition I would guess they would want that group to develop instead of investing more money and high draft picks especially considering they have other glaring holes to address. I don't see the defensive line as a glaring issue where they could afford to take another D-Lineman even if he's BPA unless its by a very large margin and as Jene Brammel has relayed this group of pass rushers has questions, especailly Coples so we can agree to disagree on the subject of the Rams investing in their fourth-first round draft pick on the defensive line.If the Rams have something in the works with Washington it seems far from a done deal at this time.

Intrigue looms as Rams dangle No. 2 pick

In a perfect world at Rams Park, this is the week the team finalizes a trade-down from the No. 2 spot in the draft.

Granted, the actual trade can’t be executed until March 13, the start of the free agency and training period. But you always can agree to terms before that — or at least get close to that — which is what the Rams would like to do before free agents hit the market. Or before teams have much of a chance to kick the tires on Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning.

Manning is due a $28 million roster bonus March 8, a bonus the Colts almost certainly aren’t going to pay given Manning’s neck problems. Unless there’s a restructured contract between now and then, which also appears highly unlikely, Manning will be released and become a free agent.

He could be joined on March 13 by prospective free agents Jason Campbell of Oakland, Matt Flynn of Green Bay, Kyle Orton of Kansas City and Alex Smith of San Francisco. The Packers (Flynn) still can use a franchise tag to keep their quarterback. The 49ers can’t, because they used the tag on safety Dashon Goldson. The Saints’ Drew Brees was taken off that market Saturday when he received the ‘‘franchise’’ tag.

So there could be more options for quarterback-needy teams over the next 10 days, meaning it won’t be as much of a seller’s market for Baylor’s Robert Griffin III (and the Rams’ No. 2 pick).

Working in the Rams’ favor, however, is the rookie wage scale instituted for the 2011 draft class. The No. 2 pick in last year’s draft, linebacker Von Miller, signed a four-year, $21 million deal with Denver, a huge savings over the last No. 2 pick under the old system, defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. He signed a five-year, $68 million deal with Detroit.

If the Rams are successful in trading out, and Griffin indeed is the No. 2 pick this year, he will get a contract similar to Miller. And that figures to be a lot cheaper than any contract signed by Manning, if he reaches the market, and maybe even be cheaper than any deal Flynn gets in free agency.

So far, however, the quarterback-needy teams don’t seem to be in a hurry to get Griffin. They might be waiting to see what happens with Manning, Flynn and the others. They might be waiting to do their due diligence and watch Griffin throw at his pro day March 21.

In the meantime, the Rams are talking and will continue to talk with potential trade partners. According to league sources, this was the trade landscape entering the weekend:

• Cleveland (No. 4 pick): The Browns are unwilling at this point to include their second first-round pick, No. 22, as part of any trade package with the Rams.

• Washington (No. 6): The Redskins appear willing to trade their first-round pick next year, as well as their No. 6 overall pick this year. But they aren’t willing to include their second-rounder this year, which isn’t acceptable to the Rams.

• Miami (No. 8): This one appears to be dead in the water, somewhere off Florida’s Gold Coast. After losing the tug-of-war for coach Jeff Fisher, the Dolphins aren’t eager to do business with the Rams — or do the Rams any favors.

• Seattle (No. 12): No chance. The last thing the Rams want to do is send RG3 to a division rival and face him twice a year. The same applies for Arizona, which picks 13th.

The Rams don’t deny there are a few “mystery” teams they’re talking to, but the two serious contenders remain Cleveland and Washington. And Washington continues to rate as the frontrunner, in part because it’s an organization that hasn’t been shy about making the big move under owner Dan Snyder. The same can’t be said about Cleveland, although the Browns do have the “tie-breaker” edge. If offers from the Browns and the Redskins end up being close, the Browns have the edge because they pick a couple spots higher.

The Rams seem to be using as their model the 2004 draft day trade between San Diego, which had the No. 1 pick, and the New York Giants, at No. 4.

In essence, the teams swapped first-round picks, with the Giants also sending San Diego a third-round pick in ’04, and first- and fifth-round picks in the ’05 draft.

(Before the trade, the Chargers had drafted Eli Manning at No. 1 even though Manning had stated he didn’t want to play for San Diego. The Giants had selected Philip Rivers at No. 4. So those players were actually swapped and not the blank draft picks.)

Under that model, if the Redskins were to offer that second-rounder in this year’s draft, plus their first-rounders this year and next, the Rams just might call it a deal. Media reports about the Rams reaping three or four first-rounders for Griffin are very optimistic. Griffin might be charming and talented ... .but not that charming and talented.

The danger in moving down to the sixth spot with Washington is that it might move the Rams out of range of Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon and Louisiana State cornerback Morris Claiborne. It’s generally considered a “six-player” draft — meaning there are six elite players at the top: quarterbacks Andrew Luck of Stanford and Griffin; offensive tackle Matt Kalil of Southern California; Blackmon; Claiborne; and running back Trent Richardson of Alabama.

That could result in a situation where the quarterbacks go 1-2, the Minnesota Vikings taking Kalil at No. 3, Cleveland — after missing out on Griffin — settling for Blackmon at No. 4 and Tampa Bay taking Claiborne at No. 5.

That would leave the Rams at No. 6 and only Richardson remaining among the “elite six.” With Steven Jackson still productive at running back, and Richardson coming off knee surgery, would taking Richardson really be the way to go for the Rams?

Of course, they always could attempt to trade down again out of the six-hole. Perhaps to a team that just has to have Richardson. Perhaps to a team that wants Texas A&M’s Ryan Tannehill, who’s generally regarded as the third-best QB in the draft.

If that’s the case, the Rams would be trading out of elite-prospect territory into the realm of the “very good,” which can be a dangerous place to go. Then again, in any given draft, about half of the elite prospects never turn into elite NFL players.

It’s a lot for the Rams to think about between now and the draft, and even between now and March 13.

 

[Donnybrook]

GD Bracie. Posting a link would suffice. No need to enlarge print like I can't Fn read. Things happen in the draft that most people don't anticipate like Aldon Smith going to the 49ers at 7. I am finished with this discussion.

 

[Blackjacks]

My top 10

Indy- Andrew Luck

*TRADE*

Cleveland- RGIII (Cle will eventually part with their 4th overall, 22nd and probably a 3rd or a 4th next year

Minnesota- Kalil

STL- Claiborne

TB - R. Rieff

Washington- Justin Blackmon

Jax- Michael Floyd

Miami- Coples

*TRADE*

Cincinnati- Trent Richardson (Carolina can pick up Cincinnati's 2 first round picks and help the defense)

Buffalo- J. Martin

 

[spider321]

My top 10Indy- Andrew Luck*TRADE*Cleveland- RGIII (Cle will eventually part with their 4th overall, 22nd and probably a 3rd or a 4th next yearMinnesota- KalilSTL- ClaiborneTB - R. RieffWashington- Justin BlackmonJax- Michael FloydMiami- Coples*TRADE*Cincinnati- Trent Richardson (Carolina can pick up Cincinnati's 2 first round picks and help the defense)Buffalo- J. Martin

The Panthers never trade for more picks. They like to trade picks to move up in the draft and take players that noone else even wanted.

 

[Kenny Powers]

My top 10Indy- Andrew Luck*TRADE*Cleveland- RGIII (Cle will eventually part with their 4th overall, 22nd and probably a 3rd or a 4th next yearMinnesota- KalilSTL- ClaiborneTB - R. RieffWashington- Justin BlackmonJax- Michael FloydMiami- Coples*TRADE*Cincinnati- Trent Richardson (Carolina can pick up Cincinnati's 2 first round picks and help the defense)Buffalo- J. Martin

The Panthers never trade for more picks. They like to trade picks to move up in the draft and take players that noone else even wanted.

I can see the Panthers doing that much more than JAX taking Floyd top 10

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Three guys that probably won't be first rounders when all is said and done are Brockers, Upshaw, and Jenkins.

 

[jurb26]

Three guys that probably won't be first rounders when all is said and done are Brockers, Upshaw, and Jenkins.

Jenkins is a virtual lock for 1st round. What makes you think this?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Three guys that probably won't be first rounders when all is said and done are Brockers, Upshaw, and Jenkins.

Jenkins is a virtual lock for 1st round. What makes you think this?

Seriously? The kid has more red flags than a May Day parade.The drug charges, shades of Travis Henry's libido, getting kicked out of a game last year. He's more likely to be a first rounder than not, but there's a lot of good talent available for teams where the baggage might not be worth it.

 

[Bankerguy]

Three guys that probably won't be first rounders when all is said and done are Brockers, Upshaw, and Jenkins.

Jenkins is a virtual lock for 1st round. What makes you think this?

Seriously? The kid has more red flags than a May Day parade.The drug charges, shades of Travis Henry's libido, getting kicked out of a game last year. He's more likely to be a first rounder than not, but there's a lot of good talent available for teams where the baggage might not be worth it.

Not to mention he is reported to hang with a few shady characters.He will go second half of the first round, but I sure hope my team takes no part of him.All 3 are first rounders imo.

 

[MAC_32]

Three guys that probably won't be first rounders when all is said and done are Brockers, Upshaw, and Jenkins.

Brockers, maybe.Jenkins depends on the Bengals and Dre Kirkpatrick. if Kirkpatrick is available and the Bungles want him over Jenkins (I would) then Jenkins may fall. If not he's a Bengal at the very least.Upshaw, absolutely not. He's a menace.The guys I'm seeing mocked in round 1 that have my head spinning are Mike Adams, Stephen Hill, Cordy Glenn, Fletcher Cox, and Dontari Poe. The game tape says to wait...

 

[jurb26]

Three guys that probably won't be first rounders when all is said and done are Brockers, Upshaw, and Jenkins.

Brockers, maybe.Jenkins depends on the Bengals and Dre Kirkpatrick. if Kirkpatrick is available and the Bungles want him over Jenkins (I would) then Jenkins may fall. If not he's a Bengal at the very least.Upshaw, absolutely not. He's a menace.The guys I'm seeing mocked in round 1 that have my head spinning are Mike Adams, Stephen Hill, Cordy Glenn, Fletcher Cox, and Dontari Poe. The game tape says to wait...

The game tape on Fletcher Cox is outstanding. Same with Cordy Glen.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Three guys that probably won't be first rounders when all is said and done are Brockers, Upshaw, and Jenkins.

Brockers, maybe.Jenkins depends on the Bengals and Dre Kirkpatrick. if Kirkpatrick is available and the Bungles want him over Jenkins (I would) then Jenkins may fall. If not he's a Bengal at the very least.Upshaw, absolutely not. He's a menace.

I actually would say Jenkins is most likely to drop, but I doubt any of them do. No way Upshaw and Brockers dont go 1st round.

The guys I'm seeing mocked in round 1 that have my head spinning are Mike Adams, Stephen Hill, Cordy Glenn, Fletcher Cox, and Dontari Poe. The game tape says to wait...

I dont understand Adams and Hill, but Poe appears to be a top 15 lock, Glenn a near top 20 lock, and Cox a top 25 lock.

 

[pantherclub]

Did Dre Fitzpatrick have a good combine? Other than looking at his numbers I havent heard anything one way or the other.

 

[Sinrman]

Not bad. I would be an angry Lions fan if we drafted another RB though. I don't see it happening. We just took Best and LeShoure in the last few drafts and are very

young still. LeShoure was out all year last year and they invested a high pick in him. They will give him every opportunity this year. I think the Lions go O-line

if a top one is miraculously still available, or CB.

 

[MAC_32]

Three guys that probably won't be first rounders when all is said and done are Brockers, Upshaw, and Jenkins.

Brockers, maybe.Jenkins depends on the Bengals and Dre Kirkpatrick. if Kirkpatrick is available and the Bungles want him over Jenkins (I would) then Jenkins may fall. If not he's a Bengal at the very least.Upshaw, absolutely not. He's a menace.The guys I'm seeing mocked in round 1 that have my head spinning are Mike Adams, Stephen Hill, Cordy Glenn, Fletcher Cox, and Dontari Poe. The game tape says to wait...

The game tape on Fletcher Cox is outstanding. Same with Cordy Glen.

Zeitler is better than Glenn and available a round later. Cox looked like 'just a guy' to me. Just guys get drafted well outside the top 50. His high ranking reaks of the scouting community trying to justify a DT early when there aren't any good ones available because their front office highly values DT's. Poe too. If this were a stronger DT class Poe's combine wouldn't be registering like it has.

 

[jurb26]

Poe had one of the absolute best combines anyone has had in years. Agree with it or not, it is going to drastically change his draft position.

 

[MAC_32]

Poe had one of the absolute best combines anyone has had in years. Agree with it or not, it is going to drastically change his draft position.

Teams get burned by what prospects do in shorts and a t shirt every year, that's probably never going to change, still doesn't discount it being a poor decision. What Dontari Poe did last week is little different than what Chris Henry (no, not the dead one) did 4 years ago. Had Poe been talked about as a potential late round 1 prospect earlier I'd feel differently, but I never saw him as looked as anything more than a potential day 2 question mark before last week. There's a reason he was talked about as that day 2 wildcard and whatever team gets him will find out why, he's a much better athlete than football player.Draft football players early, draft wildcard athletes later. You probably won't get burned on an early pick (injury withstanding) unless you gamble on a guys head or potential based off what he did in shorts and a t shirt. Draft an idiot or a guy that hasn't done it on the field and you're asking for trouble.Devon Still is the only DT in this crop I'd be looking at in round 1 and that wouldn't be until the end of it, more than likely round 2. This is just a weak class.

 

[jurb26]

Poe had one of the absolute best combines anyone has had in years. Agree with it or not, it is going to drastically change his draft position.

Teams get burned by what prospects do in shorts and a t shirt every year, that's probably never going to change, still doesn't discount it being a poor decision. What Dontari Poe did last week is little different than what Chris Henry (no, not the dead one) did 4 years ago. Had Poe been talked about as a potential late round 1 prospect earlier I'd feel differently, but I never saw him as looked as anything more than a potential day 2 question mark before last week. There's a reason he was talked about as that day 2 wildcard and whatever team gets him will find out why, he's a much better athlete than football player.Draft football players early, draft wildcard athletes later. You probably won't get burned on an early pick (injury withstanding) unless you gamble on a guys head or potential based off what he did in shorts and a t shirt. Draft an idiot or a guy that hasn't done it on the field and you're asking for trouble.

Devon Still is the only DT in this crop I'd be looking at in round 1 and that wouldn't be until the end of it, more than likely round 2. This is just a weak class.

I don't disagree with you. Like I said before, mocks are a blend of what you think should happen and what you expect to happen. My mock doesn't illistrate what I think should happen, only what I hypothisis will happen.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The thing about Upshaw is where he fits. He didn't look particularly good in the linebacker drills and combined with the number of 3-4 teams in the NFL that's a combination that could cause him to slip.

Brockers only had one okay redshirt sophomore season and showed up terribly at the combine. But with the number of 3-4 teams desperate for NT help, he'll probably get overdrafted.

 

[drfeelgood]

Its tough for me to try and do the entire first round at this point but I'll try my top-ten.

1. IND: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

Pretty much a sure thing on all accounts.

2. WAS: Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor*

St. Louis might overplay their hand and ask too much to get the Browns pick.

3. MIN: Matt Kalil, OT, USC

Looks like a perfect landing spot.

4. CLE: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

The Browns won't overpay to move up and gladly take BPA.

5. TB: Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

He certainly looks the part of a #1 WR.

6. STL: Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa*

His interviews were great but he's still got short arms. Rams overplay their hand and regret it.

7. JAX: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina

Luv this kid, think he will be a stud.

8. CAR: Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

Looks fantastic and has huge upside IMHO.

9. MIA: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

Even if they sign Flynn this may be their pick.

10. BUF: Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama

I'm sure they'd prefer Ingram but will settle for Upshaw.

Carolina lost a coin flip with Miami so they pick 9th and Miami picks 8th.

 

[MAC_32]

The thing about Upshaw is where he fits. He didn't look particularly good in the linebacker drills and combined with the number of 3-4 teams in the NFL that's a combination that could cause him to slip.Brockers only had one okay redshirt sophomore season and showed up terribly at the combine. But with the number of 3-4 teams desperate for NT help, he'll probably get overdrafted.

A good coach will find the best way to utilize Upshaw, I don't care how he looked in drills on the field he is a beast.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I messed up.

Yesterday Pat Kirwin did a mock that looks pretty good to me.

Go to link for full read/reasoning for each pick.

CBS Pat Kirwin's 1st rnd mock draft

NFL Mock Draft - 03/05/2012

Round 1

1. Indianapolis Colts Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford:

2. Washington Redskins (Mock trade from St. Louis) Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

3. Minnesota Vikings Matt Kalil, OT, Southern California:

4. Cleveland Browns Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State:

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU:

6. St. Louis Rams (Mock trade from Washington) Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina:

7. Jacksonville Jaguars Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

8. Miami Dolphins (Based on Coin Flip) Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M:

9. Carolina Panthers (Based on Coin Flip) Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis:

10. Buffalo Bills Melvin Ingram, OLB, South Carolina:

11. Kansas City Chiefs (Based on Coin Flip) Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa:

12. Seattle Seahawks (Based on Coin Flip) Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College:

13. Arizona Cardinals Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford:

14. Dallas Cowboys Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama:

15. Philadelphia Eagles Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina:

16. New York Jets Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama:

17. Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland) Mark Barron, SS, Alabama

18. San Diego Chargers Devon Still, DT, Penn State:

19. Chicago Bears Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame:

20. Tennessee Titans Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois:

21. Cincinnati Bengals David DeCastro, OG, Stanford:

22. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta) Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia:

23. Detroit Lions Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech:

24. Pittsburgh Steelers Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State:

25. Denver Broncos Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State:

26. Houston Texans Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor:

27. New England Patriots (from New Orleans) Nick Perry, DE, Southern California:

28. Green Bay Packers Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut:

29. Baltimore Ravens Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama:

30. San Francisco 49ers Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama:

31. Pittsburgh Steelers (Mock trade from New England for Mike Wallace) Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech:

32. New York Giants Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State:

 

[Kenny Powers]

Poe had one of the absolute best combines anyone has had in years. Agree with it or not, it is going to drastically change his draft position.

Teams get burned by what prospects do in shorts and a t shirt every year, that's probably never going to change, still doesn't discount it being a poor decision. What Dontari Poe did last week is little different than what Chris Henry (no, not the dead one) did 4 years ago. Had Poe been talked about as a potential late round 1 prospect earlier I'd feel differently, but I never saw him as looked as anything more than a potential day 2 question mark before last week. There's a reason he was talked about as that day 2 wildcard and whatever team gets him will find out why, he's a much better athlete than football player.

Both Kiper and McShay had Poe as top 25 talent prior to the combine, or in other words, pretty much a 1st round lock.

 

[Kenny Powers]

The thing about Upshaw is where he fits. He didn't look particularly good in the linebacker drills and combined with the number of 3-4 teams in the NFL that's a combination that could cause him to slip.Brockers only had one okay redshirt sophomore season and showed up terribly at the combine. But with the number of 3-4 teams desperate for NT help, he'll probably get overdrafted.

Im confused. You say there is a shortage of teams using a 3-4 so Upshaw will slip, but because of how many teams run a 3-4 Brockers will get overdrafted.It's a moot point though because Upshaw projects as both a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. Brockers is in no way a NT (depending on source he is between 305-325lbs), he projects as a 4-3 DT or possibly a 3-4 DE.

 

[jurb26]

Poe had one of the absolute best combines anyone has had in years. Agree with it or not, it is going to drastically change his draft position.

Teams get burned by what prospects do in shorts and a t shirt every year, that's probably never going to change, still doesn't discount it being a poor decision. What Dontari Poe did last week is little different than what Chris Henry (no, not the dead one) did 4 years ago. Had Poe been talked about as a potential late round 1 prospect earlier I'd feel differently, but I never saw him as looked as anything more than a potential day 2 question mark before last week. There's a reason he was talked about as that day 2 wildcard and whatever team gets him will find out why, he's a much better athlete than football player.

Both Kiper and McShay had Poe as top 25 talent prior to the combine, or in other words, pretty much a 1st round lock.

You're right, Poe was a 1st rounder prior to the combine. I am agreeing with MAC in that players are going to go much higher than they should based off of the combine, not that Poe isn't a 1st rounder. As you can see, I've vaulted Poe into the top 10. That is the concept I am agreeing with.

 

[MAC_32]

Poe had one of the absolute best combines anyone has had in years. Agree with it or not, it is going to drastically change his draft position.

Teams get burned by what prospects do in shorts and a t shirt every year, that's probably never going to change, still doesn't discount it being a poor decision. What Dontari Poe did last week is little different than what Chris Henry (no, not the dead one) did 4 years ago. Had Poe been talked about as a potential late round 1 prospect earlier I'd feel differently, but I never saw him as looked as anything more than a potential day 2 question mark before last week. There's a reason he was talked about as that day 2 wildcard and whatever team gets him will find out why, he's a much better athlete than football player.

Both Kiper and McShay had Poe as top 25 talent prior to the combine, or in other words, pretty much a 1st round lock.

Probably the only 2 draft guys I don't follow, fitting they are the ones to rank Poe too high.