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2012 Most Fantasy Value By Position (1 Viewer)

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Quarterback MVP

Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins: This could have gone to either him or Luck, but it has to go to RG3 because when he was on, he was really on. Luck had two huge games, one against the Lions and one against the Packers. RG3 had week-winning performances against Dallas, Philadelphia (the first time), St. Louis and Minnesota. While Griffin probably lost you the week he got injured against the Falcons, if you drafted RG3 you either flipped him into a valuable piece or rode him into the playoffs while you still had another committee quarterback. While RG3 had some mediocre performances in the playoffs, so did Luck. Luck's performance against the Chief's in week 16 was truly abysmal against such a weak opponent. More than anything, this is about the safe floor of a running quarterback. It is very rare that a running quarterback is going to lose you a week unless they get knocked out by injury. RG3 is probably the single most valuable pick of 2012 and an important reminder about the quarterback position moving forward.

Running Back MVP's

RB1-Doug Martin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: With an average draft of position of the 17th running back off the board, there probably wasn't a pick that insured the strength of a team more than Doug Martin. He started slow out of the gates, but after the week 5 bye, Doug exploded for 13, 18, 33 and 51 points. For a segment of the season, Martin was the #1 running back in fantasy and was acquired for a 4th round pick. An argument against Martin was his tepid week 15 performance against Doug Martin, but his finish as the #3 running back in fantasy speaks for itself. Those who disregarded Blount in the preseason and took Greg Schiano at his word were greatly rewarded. Something that 2012 taught was the value of the rookie running back. As our #2 running back will show, a fantasy football inefficiency is an inability to properly gauge talent levels and opportunity for running backs in their 1st season. Doug Martin is your #1 most valuable running back for the 2012 season.

RB2-Alfred Morris, Washington Redskins: The second running back position could have gone to a number of running back's who significantly outperformed their average draft position. A strong argument could be made for C.J Spiller, Stevan Ridley or even Mikel Leshoure. However, Alfred was a top 10 performer all year long and was selected in the last round of your draft or picked off the waiver wire. He only had four performances all year underneath double digits and in those weeks, mostly likely didn't kill you. If you drafted intelligently, Morris ended up on your roster as your 4th or fifth running back and should have been starting in your flex position and outperforming expectations. Morris is another example of fantasy football intuition and solid rookie scouting as well as learning how to read in between lines of beat reporter tweets. That's part of the real skill of fantasy football.

Wide Receiver MVP's

WR1-Randall Cobb, Green Bay Packers: I have to say that I feel a little vindicated on this one because Cobb was drafted on every single one of my teams and one of preseason grand slam home runs. Fantasy football performance is a delicate equation of talent and opportunity. The argument against Cobb preseason was that Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones and Jermicheal Finley would hog to many of the targets. However, with the aging of Donald Driver and the total lack of ground game for Green Bay, in combination with the execrable Finley, there were alot of targets in the intermediate game, as well as few carries a game that were available to Cobb. The surprising part was that towards the middle of the season, Rodgers really started to favor Cobb as a threat in the redzone, allowing him to score 6 touchdowns in 4 games. Wide receiver is always one of the trickiest positions to nail effective and consistent starters and a very fluid position, so really banking on talent in a high scoring offense with an elite quarterback is the way to go. That's why guys like Lance Moore, Cobb and Julian Edelman can become fantasy starters for weeks on end.

WR2-Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis Colts: Continuing with the theme of learning a lesson from each of these positions, Wayne teaches a valuable one: a highly talented wide receiver is going to respond to playing with a good quarterback. Wayne was stuck with Curtis Painter. The year before, Steve Smith had a career resurgence as a result of switching QB's from barely a back up Jimmy Clausen to Cam Newton. These veteran wideouts haven't lost any steps, they just haven't been playing with a quarterback who can help their fantasy stats. Next year, if Arizona drafts a solid rookie QB, Larry Fitzgerald could be in the same situation. Wayne will finish as a top 10 wide receiver after being drafted as the 32nd wide receiver off the board. Picking Wayne as your WR3 or flex player would have been a huge boon for any fantasy team.

Tight End MVP

Brandon Myers, Oakland Raiders: While he has been relatively worthless in the fantasy playoffs, teams that didn't draft Gronkowski or Graham and picked Myers up off the wire were duly rewarded in the regular season. In 2012 there was no consistency at the tight end position. Some weeks, Dennis Pitta looked like he could be a surefire starter. Other than Jason Witten, Gronk, Graham, Heath Miller or Tony Gonzalez there has been no player worth starting on a weekly basis. Myers spent most week catching five passes for around 50 yards while catching four touchdowns on the year. He certainly wasn't spectacular or won you any weeks other than his explosion in garbage time in week 13, but for a player who started the year on zero teams, he was an addition to that provided a few points every week and allowed you to only roster one tight end and use those valuable bench spots for running back lottery tickets rather than playing the mix and match game.

 
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RB...Adrian Peterson...drafted later in most drafts because of the injury risk...finished #1 overall RB and #9 overall in my league.

 
Not really an MVP list.
Uh...what? These were the most valuable players at their positions. Completely and totally.
Yeah, my idea of a fantasy MVP is different than yours as well. When I think MVP, I think of who carried teams to titles. While your list was of players whom were obviously very productive and valuable relative to their ADP, the only one's who I'd consider MVP types were RG3 and Martin. In fact, as RG3 was basically as productive as any other QB, I'd say he was the QB MVP. But for RB it has to be Foster, Peterson, or possibly Martin (due to draft position), as those guys carried teams to titles. At WR, I'd think the most valuable would be one of Marshall or Calvin, with honorable mention's going to AJ Green and Dez Bryant with his dominant last half season.
 
Not really an MVP list.
Uh...what? These were the most valuable players at their positions. Completely and totally.
Yeah, my idea of a fantasy MVP is different than yours as well. When I think MVP, I think of who carried teams to titles. While your list was of players whom were obviously very productive and valuable relative to their ADP, the only one's who I'd consider MVP types were RG3 and Martin. In fact, as RG3 was basically as productive as any other QB, I'd say he was the QB MVP. But for RB it has to be Foster, Peterson, or possibly Martin (due to draft position), as those guys carried teams to titles. At WR, I'd think the most valuable would be one of Marshall or Calvin, with honorable mention's going to AJ Green and Dez Bryant with his dominant last half season.
I was going to include Dez but he was picked in average in the 3rd round. If Harvin was healthy, he would have been there instead of Wayne. That's not incredible value. Cobb went basically undrafted and Wayne was a late pick that performed at a top 10 level. I also was thinking in terms of strategy and each player represented a specific strategy.
 
QB - RG3 - drafted around the 8th round and gave you a top 5 season

RB - ADP - drafted in the late second or early 3rd and he is the number 1 scoring back in the league

RB - take your pick Martin, Spiller, Morris - all value you guys all drafted in the 4th or later and all finished top 10. Slight edge to Morris

WR - Megatron - First round pick and after a few bad games in the middle of the season he went off the rest of the year and was unstoppable

WR - Marshall - Was a beast all year and only had 1 bad game all year and it came early

TE - Gonzo - we all still under value him, the last 3 or 4 years he has been tight end 7 to 10 off the board and he always puts up top 5 seasons

def - Seahawks - They won first round match ups for most squads and they were pretty consistent all year

 
Not really an MVP list.
Uh...what? These were the most valuable players at their positions. Completely and totally.
Yeah, my idea of a fantasy MVP is different than yours as well. When I think MVP, I think of who carried teams to titles. While your list was of players whom were obviously very productive and valuable relative to their ADP, the only one's who I'd consider MVP types were RG3 and Martin. In fact, as RG3 was basically as productive as any other QB, I'd say he was the QB MVP. But for RB it has to be Foster, Peterson, or possibly Martin (due to draft position), as those guys carried teams to titles. At WR, I'd think the most valuable would be one of Marshall or Calvin, with honorable mention's going to AJ Green and Dez Bryant with his dominant last half season.
I was going to include Dez but he was picked in average in the 3rd round. If Harvin was healthy, he would have been there instead of Wayne. That's not incredible value. Cobb went basically undrafted and Wayne was a late pick that performed at a top 10 level. I also was thinking in terms of strategy and each player represented a specific strategy.
Again, I'd say that those players were the best values, not most valuable.
 
Not really an MVP list.
Uh...what? These were the most valuable players at their positions. Completely and totally.
Yeah, my idea of a fantasy MVP is different than yours as well. When I think MVP, I think of who carried teams to titles. While your list was of players whom were obviously very productive and valuable relative to their ADP, the only one's who I'd consider MVP types were RG3 and Martin. In fact, as RG3 was basically as productive as any other QB, I'd say he was the QB MVP. But for RB it has to be Foster, Peterson, or possibly Martin (due to draft position), as those guys carried teams to titles. At WR, I'd think the most valuable would be one of Marshall or Calvin, with honorable mention's going to AJ Green and Dez Bryant with his dominant last half season.
I was going to include Dez but he was picked in average in the 3rd round. If Harvin was healthy, he would have been there instead of Wayne. That's not incredible value. Cobb went basically undrafted and Wayne was a late pick that performed at a top 10 level. I also was thinking in terms of strategy and each player represented a specific strategy.
Again, I'd say that those players were the best values, not most valuable.
Hmmm...interesting proposition. That's why I started the thread, I wanted to know who others thought was really the most valuable.
 
Marshwan Linch?
Mid 2nd pick? He performed at or slightly above where he was drafted. This list is the guys who provided the MOST VALUE. It's hard to have excess value when you perform about how you are expected to perform. That doesn't mean that Lynch was a bad fantasy guy. He was a very good one; but Alfred Morris is going to finish around him in scoring, depending on your system, and was your last round flier, which allowed the rest of your team to be much stronger.
 
Marshwan Linch?
Mid 2nd pick? He performed at or slightly above where he was drafted. This list is the guys who provided the MOST VALUE. It's hard to have excess value when you perform about how you are expected to perform. That doesn't mean that Lynch was a bad fantasy guy. He was a very good one; but Alfred Morris is going to finish around him in scoring, depending on your system, and was your last round flier, which allowed the rest of your team to be much stronger.
This list is '2012 Fantasy MVP's by position'until you change the title.
 
Marshwan Linch?
Mid 2nd pick? He performed at or slightly above where he was drafted. This list is the guys who provided the MOST VALUE. It's hard to have excess value when you perform about how you are expected to perform. That doesn't mean that Lynch was a bad fantasy guy. He was a very good one; but Alfred Morris is going to finish around him in scoring, depending on your system, and was your last round flier, which allowed the rest of your team to be much stronger.
This list is '2012 Fantasy MVP's by position'until you change the title.
Those who provide the most value are the most valuable in my opinion. Lynch performed well, but if got him, you likely paid a relatively high price for him.
 
Marshwan Linch?
Mid 2nd pick? He performed at or slightly above where he was drafted. This list is the guys who provided the MOST VALUE. It's hard to have excess value when you perform about how you are expected to perform. That doesn't mean that Lynch was a bad fantasy guy. He was a very good one; but Alfred Morris is going to finish around him in scoring, depending on your system, and was your last round flier, which allowed the rest of your team to be much stronger.
This list is '2012 Fantasy MVP's by position'until you change the title.
Those who provide the most value are the most valuable in my opinion. Lynch performed well, but if got him, you likely paid a relatively high price for him.
If one were to logically follow your theory, Peyton, Brady or Peterson (for example) would not be capable of being NFL MVPs. They all are paid to be amongst the best in the league at their position, and they are. In your view however, they can't be the most valuable because of their salary. So even though Peyton and Brady are the trigger men for two of the best teams in the league with stellar stats and performance, the MVP should be Russell Wilson because he makes about the league minimum as a good Qb for a playoff team?
 
Marshwan Linch?
Mid 2nd pick? He performed at or slightly above where he was drafted. This list is the guys who provided the MOST VALUE. It's hard to have excess value when you perform about how you are expected to perform. That doesn't mean that Lynch was a bad fantasy guy. He was a very good one; but Alfred Morris is going to finish around him in scoring, depending on your system, and was your last round flier, which allowed the rest of your team to be much stronger.
This list is '2012 Fantasy MVP's by position'until you change the title.
Those who provide the most value are the most valuable in my opinion. Lynch performed well, but if got him, you likely paid a relatively high price for him.
If one were to logically follow your theory, Peyton, Brady or Peterson (for example) would not be capable of being NFL MVPs. They all are paid to be amongst the best in the league at their position, and they are. In your view however, they can't be the most valuable because of their salary. So even though Peyton and Brady are the trigger men for two of the best teams in the league with stellar stats and performance, the MVP should be Russell Wilson because he makes about the league minimum as a good Qb for a playoff team?
This isn't real football or the NFL. This is fantasy football, where it is all about getting great stats for the cheapest possible cost so that other positions can be produce at higher amounts as well.
 
Doug Martin's week 15 "performance" probably took 80% of his owners out of the playoffs so he's not making my list.

 
Would you trade Peterson for Morris or Martin? If the answer is no, Peterson is more valuable. I understand the argument you are making but you have to realize your definition of MVP is different from everyone else's here.

Even with your standards Dez is more valuable than Cobb

 
Doug Martin's week 15 "performance" probably took 80% of his owners out of the playoffs so he's not making my list.
And I mentioned that. But how can you talk about running back value without including the #3 overall back who was drafted in the 4th or 5th round?
because most of his owners had no chance to win their leagues. where's the value in that?don't get me wrong though: he's a great back, the game against the Saints wasn't his fault and yes, he (and Ray Rice) cost me the chance to win my league. ;)
 
Would you trade Peterson for Morris or Martin? If the answer is no, Peterson is more valuable. I understand the argument you are making but you have to realize your definition of MVP is different from everyone else's here. Even with your standards Dez is more valuable than Cobb
I guess you are right, I took a different approach to this than most of you would have. I'd like to hear opinions then. Who is the most valuable RB then? Peterson? Foster?
 
Dude...that word (valuable) doesn't mean what you think it means.

'best values'...not MVPs. Can you re-name the thread or is it too late? At least edit the OP.

 
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Week 15, the first week of most fantasy playoffs, is the most important week of the fantasy season. If a fantasy MVP candidate poops the bed week 15, it negates the entire fantasy season. You gotta throw all the week 15 busts out imo. That's just the unfair way fantasy works.

 
Week 15, the first week of most fantasy playoffs, is the most important week of the fantasy season. If a fantasy MVP candidate poops the bed week 15, it negates the entire fantasy season. You gotta throw all the week 15 busts out imo. That's just the unfair way fantasy works.
Not every fantasy league is based on a playoff system.Some of us play in total points leagues, where Martin was extremely valuable the majority of the year.
 
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Marshwan Linch?
Mid 2nd pick? He performed at or slightly above where he was drafted. This list is the guys who provided the MOST VALUE. It's hard to have excess value when you perform about how you are expected to perform. That doesn't mean that Lynch was a bad fantasy guy. He was a very good one; but Alfred Morris is going to finish around him in scoring, depending on your system, and was your last round flier, which allowed the rest of your team to be much stronger.
This list is '2012 Fantasy MVP's by position'until you change the title.
Those who provide the most value are the most valuable in my opinion. Lynch performed well, but if got him, you likely paid a relatively high price for him.
If one were to logically follow your theory, Peyton, Brady or Peterson (for example) would not be capable of being NFL MVPs. They all are paid to be amongst the best in the league at their position, and they are. In your view however, they can't be the most valuable because of their salary. So even though Peyton and Brady are the trigger men for two of the best teams in the league with stellar stats and performance, the MVP should be Russell Wilson because he makes about the league minimum as a good Qb for a playoff team?
This isn't real football or the NFL. This is fantasy football, where it is all about getting great stats for the cheapest possible cost so that other positions can be produce at higher amounts as well.
Think about real football, isn't it about getting the best performance from the cheapest possible salary so that other resources could be expended elsewhere? Thus making my scenario exactly the same, no?
 
I am not sure how it is helpful to look at this from hindsight and say which players produced the most points relative to their draft position. How would we use that information to help us in 2013? Wouldn't it be a more useful discussion to talk about which players may offer the most value by position in 2013? 2012 is over. :confused:

Andre Johnson will not likely be as valuable a pick in 2013 as he was in 2012.

 
I am not sure how it is helpful to look at this from hindsight and say which players produced the most points relative to their draft position. How would we use that information to help us in 2013? Wouldn't it be a more useful discussion to talk about which players may offer the most value by position in 2013? 2012 is over. :confused: Andre Johnson will not likely be as valuable a pick in 2013 as he was in 2012.
Each position pointed a trend that lead to the players being undervalued and how to adjust for that in the future.
 
I am not sure how it is helpful to look at this from hindsight and say which players produced the most points relative to their draft position. How would we use that information to help us in 2013? Wouldn't it be a more useful discussion to talk about which players may offer the most value by position in 2013? 2012 is over. :confused: Andre Johnson will not likely be as valuable a pick in 2013 as he was in 2012.
Each position pointed a trend that lead to the players being undervalued and how to adjust for that in the future.
Ok well that is something to work with. Andre Johnson was undervalued because of injury risk and not having a good season in 2011. So what players underperformed in 2012 that you believe will be drafted below the level of their performance?What other examples of perceived value not matching real value do we have besides injuries and players who are proven performers but underachieved their average performance in 2012? What other factors caused people to under-estimate the players in 2012 you are identifying as values? A list of things to be looking for could be useful for matching to players who fit similar situations and could be values in 2013. I have seen some other threads here getting at much the same thing. Organizing that information into one thread would lay a foundation for more detailed analysis of each specific player/situation that could be a value pick in 2013.With compiled ADP data you could build a stronger foundation for what types of players/situations tend to be undervalued over multiple seasons, perhaps making it easier to identify those same situations for the upcoming season.
 
I am not sure how it is helpful to look at this from hindsight and say which players produced the most points relative to their draft position. How would we use that information to help us in 2013? Wouldn't it be a more useful discussion to talk about which players may offer the most value by position in 2013? 2012 is over. :confused: Andre Johnson will not likely be as valuable a pick in 2013 as he was in 2012.
Each position pointed a trend that lead to the players being undervalued and how to adjust for that in the future.
Ok well that is something to work with. Andre Johnson was undervalued because of injury risk and not having a good season in 2011. So what players underperformed in 2012 that you believe will be drafted below the level of their performance?What other examples of perceived value not matching real value do we have besides injuries and players who are proven performers but underachieved their average performance in 2012? What other factors caused people to under-estimate the players in 2012 you are identifying as values? A list of things to be looking for could be useful for matching to players who fit similar situations and could be values in 2013. I have seen some other threads here getting at much the same thing. Organizing that information into one thread would lay a foundation for more detailed analysis of each specific player/situation that could be a value pick in 2013.With compiled ADP data you could build a stronger foundation for what types of players/situations tend to be undervalued over multiple seasons, perhaps making it easier to identify those same situations for the upcoming season.
Thanks man, that's a project to work on the next couple weeks. I'll look into some ADP data.
 
How can Martin be over Morris, if we are talking value? Even up until kickoff it wasn't close to a sure thing that Morris was even the starter. In all of my leagues, he was a late round dart, while Martin was drafted as an RB2.

 
'Concept Coop said:
How can Martin be over Morris, if we are talking value? Even up until kickoff it wasn't close to a sure thing that Morris was even the starter. In all of my leagues, he was a late round dart, while Martin was drafted as an RB2.
Martin's highs were higher and we have a short term memory in fantasy, but there was a month and a half where you wouldn't have taken even Foster over him. I Defintely see your point, however. Morris probably did, in terms of strict value in relation to production and cost, have more than Martin.
 
A larger point that I didn't discuss on tight end value was would you have been better off with Gronk or Graham at their cost, or streaming the flavor of the week?

 

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