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[beaux]

F the AL... Go Giants!

 

[Greco]

Momentum rules the series and the Giants have it.

 

[tjnc09]

3 times a team has swept the Championship series and the other went to 7 games - all 3 that went to game 7 won the WS

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Momentum rules the series and the Giants have it.

Momentum

 

[Doctor Detroit]

3 times a team has swept the Championship series and the other went to 7 games - all 3 that went to game 7 won the WS

In 1984 the Tigers swept the ALCS and the NLCS went the distance, and the Tigers won the series in five games.

 

[Eephus]

3 times a team has swept the Championship series and the other went to 7 games - all 3 that went to game 7 won the WS

In 1984 the Tigers swept the ALCS and the NLCS went the distance, and the Tigers won the series in five games.

LCS was still best of 5 :bevacqua:

 

[Doctor Detroit]

3 times a team has swept the Championship series and the other went to 7 games - all 3 that went to game 7 won the WS

In 1984 the Tigers swept the ALCS and the NLCS went the distance, and the Tigers won the series in five games.

LCS was still best of 5 :bevacqua:

Yes, I know that. Point is I can offset meaningless data sets with equally meaningless data sets.

 

[Eephus]

3 times a team has swept the Championship series and the other went to 7 games - all 3 that went to game 7 won the WS

In 1984 the Tigers swept the ALCS and the NLCS went the distance, and the Tigers won the series in five games.

LCS was still best of 5 :bevacqua:

Yes, I know that. Point is I can offset meaningless data sets with equally meaningless data sets.

The anti-McCarver

 

[tjnc09]

Has Bochy announced the rotation yet?

I don't think Lincecum will start two games.

Zito seems the obvious game 1 starter

I don't think I would be surprised to see Vogelsong start game 2 on 4 days rest and Lincecum come in for 3-4 innings of relief if need be

Game 3 is Cain

Game 4 is a ? MadBum has looked bad, if Vogelsong can go 6+ in game 2, it will be Lincecum

Game 5 is Zito

Game 6 is Vogelsong (6 days rest)

Game 7 is Cain

 

[Eephus]

Has Bochy announced the rotation yet?I don't think Lincecum will start two games. Zito seems the obvious game 1 starterI don't think I would be surprised to see Vogelsong start game 2 on 4 days rest and Lincecum come in for 3-4 innings of relief if need beGame 3 is CainGame 4 is a ? MadBum has looked bad, if Vogelsong can go 6+ in game 2, it will be LincecumGame 5 is ZitoGame 6 is Vogelsong (6 days rest)Game 7 is Cain

Game 2 would be three days rest for Vogelsong

 

[tjnc09]

Has Bochy announced the rotation yet?I don't think Lincecum will start two games. Zito seems the obvious game 1 starterI don't think I would be surprised to see Vogelsong start game 2 on 4 days rest and Lincecum come in for 3-4 innings of relief if need beGame 3 is CainGame 4 is a ? MadBum has looked bad, if Vogelsong can go 6+ in game 2, it will be LincecumGame 5 is ZitoGame 6 is Vogelsong (6 days rest)Game 7 is Cain

Game 2 would be three days rest for Vogelsong

Derp. Vogelsong is pitching lights out. It will be a shame if he only starts one game

 

[Dentist]

i am happy about this world series.

I will be rooting for detroit because they have been the best team since the all-star break and because i've seen detroit play in person many times at the "K". (including as recently as 3 weeks ago in the october series when detroit clinched).

I also saw Cain pitch this year since i was at the all-star game where PED'd up Melky cabrera won the MVP.

Prince Fielder awed me in person with his power at the home run derby.

Verlander is an absolute beast... here's the deal... San Francisco can still win the series if they lose game 1, but Detroit WILL lose the series if they win game 1.

Detroit in 6

 

[Eephus]

i am happy about this world series.I will be rooting for detroit because they have been the best team since the all-star break and because i've seen detroit play in person many times at the "K". (including as recently as 3 weeks ago in the october series when detroit clinched).

Tigers since all-star break 44-32Giants since all-star break 46-28The Athletics went 51-25

 

[Dentist]

i am happy about this world series.I will be rooting for detroit because they have been the best team since the all-star break and because i've seen detroit play in person many times at the "K". (including as recently as 3 weeks ago in the october series when detroit clinched).

Tigers since all-star break 44-32Giants since all-star break 46-28The Athletics went 51-25

oh, well i didn't know that - thanks for the correction.i guess i just keep up with the AL Central and had watched detroit really surge.didn't realize the athletics had been that good.

 

[jon_mx]

Has Bochy announced the rotation yet?I don't think Lincecum will start two games. Zito seems the obvious game 1 starterI don't think I would be surprised to see Vogelsong start game 2 on 4 days rest and Lincecum come in for 3-4 innings of relief if need beGame 3 is CainGame 4 is a ? MadBum has looked bad, if Vogelsong can go 6+ in game 2, it will be LincecumGame 5 is ZitoGame 6 is Vogelsong (6 days rest)Game 7 is Cain

Game 2 would be three days rest for Vogelsong

Don't have much choice. I said earlier they would pitch him on short rest. It is the only way to get two starts out of him.

 

[jon_mx]

i am happy about this world series.I will be rooting for detroit because they have been the best team since the all-star break and because i've seen detroit play in person many times at the "K". (including as recently as 3 weeks ago in the october series when detroit clinched).I also saw Cain pitch this year since i was at the all-star game where PED'd up Melky cabrera won the MVP.Prince Fielder awed me in person with his power at the home run derby.Verlander is an absolute beast... here's the deal... San Francisco can still win the series if they lose game 1, but Detroit WILL lose the series if they win game 1.Detroit in 6

As much as that is the game where Detroit has the best pitching advantage, I have confidence in the entire rotation to pitch a gem and out duel anyone. IMO, if Detroit takes either Game 1 or 2, it is their series to lose.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

SAN FRANCISCO — Ryan Vogelsong was an afterthought when he reported to spring training for the San Francisco Giants last season. He had been there a decade earlier, before a worldwide adventure of injury, rejection and mediocrity, and the Giants had just won the World Series.

Daniel Descalso was struck out twice by Vogelsong, who pushed the N.L.C.S. to a decisive seventh game.

But to Dave Righetti, the Giants’ longtime pitching coach, Vogelsong stood out. It was not so much his stuff, which was not too different from what it had been in 2001, when the Giants traded him to the Pittsburgh Pirates. It was his attitude.

“He wasn’t messing around,” Righetti said Sunday night, after Vogelsong brought the Giants to the verge of the National League pennant. “He came to camp to win a job, and he never changed his demeanor. These are tedious days, and guys look at him and go, ‘This guy wants it bad.’ ”

The St. Louis Cardinals know the look. They have seen it twice in this N.L. Championship Series, falling to Vogelsong in Games 2 and 6. Both times, he allowed one run in seven innings, and on Sunday, in a 6-1 victory, he set a career high in strikeouts, with nine.

If the Giants win Game 7 on Monday, Vogelsong would be a strong candidate for the series’ Most Valuable Player award. It would be a hard-earned reward for a 35-year-old right-hander who spent years in the baseball wilderness.

“Weird things have to happen that are much bigger than us for things to work out like this,” Vogelsong said. “I just think God’s had a plan for me this whole time, and it’s finally gotten me to ultimately where I wanted to be.”

It was a rocky path, one that would have been easy for Vogelsong to leave. His trade had brought the Giants the right-hander Jason Schmidt, the ace of their 2002 World Series team. Vogelsong struggled in Pittsburgh and blew out his elbow, becoming little more than a footnote in Giants history.

After his last game for the Pirates, in June 2006, Vogelsong pitched for all these teams before the Giants finally brought him back: the Indianapolis Indians, the Hanshin Tigers, the Orix Buffaloes, the Salt Lake Bees, the Lehigh Valley IronPigs and the Tibourones de La Guaira in Venezuela.

“There were a lot of nights where I was like: ‘This just isn’t for me. This isn’t what I’m supposed to do, because if I was supposed to do this, I’d be doing better,’ ” Vogelsong told a San Francisco radio station, KNBR, this summer. “Sometimes it makes me cringe, thinking about those days, how I used to throw. It was a struggle.”

Even in Japan, for Hanshin and Orix, Vogelsong had mixed results. In three seasons there, he was 11-14 with a 4.17 earned run average, splitting time between starting and relieving.

“He has mastered the two-seamer,” Bobby Valentine, who managed in Japan in those seasons, said Sunday in an e-mail. “He pitched O.K. there.”

Pitching O.K. was only good enough to earn Vogelsong a minor league deal with the Phillies for 2010. Vogelsong had a good strikeout rate for their Class AAA team in Lehigh Valley — 73 strikeouts in fewer than 60 innings — but was released that July with a 4.91 earned run average. He was not much better for the Angels’ affiliate in Salt Lake.

Needing to make a better impression, Vogelsong went to La Guaira that winter. He pitched well and caught the attention of the Giants’ hitting coach, Hensley Meulens, who was coaching another Venezuelan team. Meulens recommended Vogelsong to the Giants, who signed him on Dec. 29, 2010.

Vogelsong, who also drew interest from the Los Angeles Dodgers, has said he chose the Giants partly because of his familiarity with Righetti and Mark Gardner, the longtime bullpen coach. But while Righetti remembered Vogelsong fondly, his expectations were limited.

“I always thought he was going to be maybe a seventh- or eighth-inning guy — a real good one — because he had a power fastball and a power curve,” Righetti said. “Two hundred innings, I didn’t know if he could handle that; you don’t know that about any young guy. But you see just an older guy that stayed in shape, matured, his arm’s better, it’s fresh. He always knew he could pitch. We just caught lightning in a bottle, to be quite frank.”

Vogelsong added a slider, but mostly he remained a power pitcher; even his changeup, Righetti said, is a little harder than the Giants would like. But he showed extraordinary command of a late-moving fastball and had a keener understanding of hitters’ swings, and after two starts at Class AAA in April 2011, Vogelsong quickly earned a promotion to the Giants.

He went 13-7 last season, and followed that up by going 14-9 to earn a spot in the Giants’ playoff rotation. He worked five solid innings in Game 3 of the division series in Cincinnati, and after a shaky beginning to his Game 2 start against St. Louis, he settled in and gave the Giants their first win of this series.

Vogelsong called that the best game he has ever pitched — after the third inning, anyway — and said that he got away with more mistakes on Sunday. Even so, he struck out six of his first nine batters and did not allow a hit until there were two outs in the fifth inning.

Besides a changeup that baffled Carlos Beltran for a strikeout in the first inning, Vogelsong mostly dominated with a precision two-seam fastball at 92 miles an hour. He used it to twice strike out Allen Craig — by clipping the outside corner in the first inning, and by running it down and in, under Craig’s bat, to end the fourth.

The ballpark erupted in cheers, and as the game went along, the crowd chanted “Vogey! Vogey!”, saluting a most unlikely October sensation.

“These fans, they bring it all the time,” Vogelsong said. “It’s pretty amazing.”

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[tjnc09]

Has Bochy announced the rotation yet?I don't think Lincecum will start two games. Zito seems the obvious game 1 starterI don't think I would be surprised to see Vogelsong start game 2 on 4 days rest and Lincecum come in for 3-4 innings of relief if need beGame 3 is CainGame 4 is a ? MadBum has looked bad, if Vogelsong can go 6+ in game 2, it will be LincecumGame 5 is ZitoGame 6 is Vogelsong (6 days rest)Game 7 is Cain

Game 2 would be three days rest for Vogelsong

Don't have much choice. I said earlier they would pitch him on short rest. It is the only way to get two starts out of him.

Agreed. Even if they pitch him for a few innings, I don't mind Lincecum coming out of the pen. That seems like it is working for him this postseason

 

[TobiasFunke]

Is it just me or is it crazy to start manipulating the rotation to favor Vogelsong over Bumgarner? Yeah Vogelsong has been better in the postseason ... but he's also been way luckier. BABIP of .220 compared to .400 for MB. Strand rate of 84.6% compared to 54.7% for MB.

Seems like a crazy overreaction to a small sample size of 2-3 starts. Bumgarner has better stuff and has been the better pitcher this season. I can understand maybe favoring Vogelsong at this point if all other things were equal, since he was sharper in the last couple starts. But shifting the rotation and having guys go on short rest seems like a mistake. JMO.

And while I'm here, thank you to both teams from baseball fans across the country for eliminating the Cards and Yankees and giving us a World Series we can tolerate and even enjoy.

 

[tri-man 47]

Momentum rules the series and the Giants have it.

Though it didn't work so well for Oakland and their momentum heading into the playoffs!Dominant pitching can stop the momentum.

 

[Eephus]

Change the OP.

Giants are starting their two LHP at home with Lincecum returning to the bullpen.

I trust Bochy to continue pushing the right buttons.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I trust Bochy to continue pushing the right buttons.

I expect Leyland to be angry at the post-game 1 press conference, win or lose.

 

[Eephus]

I trust Bochy to continue pushing the right buttons.

I expect Leyland to be angry at the post-game 1 press conference, win or lose.

The proposed cigarette tax increase in CA lost this summer

 

[tjnc09]

Change the OP.Giants are starting their two LHP at home with Lincecum returning to the bullpen.I trust Bochy to continue pushing the right buttons.

Rotoworld says that Bumgarner thinks he fixed a flaw in his mechanics. He did start Bumgarner game 1 vs STL and I thought that was a mistake based on how poor he threw vs Cincy. But Bochy has been here before so gotta put faith in his drcisions

 

[Ghost Rider]

i am happy about this world series.I will be rooting for detroit because they have been the best team since the all-star break and because i've seen detroit play in person many times at the "K". (including as recently as 3 weeks ago in the october series when detroit clinched).I also saw Cain pitch this year since i was at the all-star game where PED'd up Melky cabrera won the MVP.Prince Fielder awed me in person with his power at the home run derby.Verlander is an absolute beast... here's the deal... San Francisco can still win the series if they lose game 1, but Detroit WILL lose the series if they win game 1.Detroit in 6

Shouldn't you be #####ing that the team with the 7th best record in the AL is in the World Series? And now you are rooting for them?? Oh my.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Game	Matchup	                               Date	        Time (ET) TV	Game 1	Detroit (Verlander) @ SF (Zito)      Wed, Oct 24	8:00 PM	FOX	 	Game 2	Detroit (Fister) @ SF (Bumgarner)    Thu, Oct 25	8:00 PM	FOX	 	Game 3	SF (Cain) @ Detroit (Sanchez)	     Sat, Oct 27	8:00 PM	FOX	Game 4	SF (Vogelsong) @ Detroit (Mad Max)   Sun, Oct 28	8:00 PM	FOX	Game 5*	SF (Zito) @ Detroit (Verlander)      Mon, Oct 29	8:00 PM	FOX	Game 6*	Detroit (Fister) @ SF (Bumgarner)    Wed, Oct 31	8:00 PM	FOX	 	Game 7*	Detroit (TBA) @ SF (Cain)            Thu, Nov 1	        8:00 PM	FOX

Fister vs Bumgarner twice? Gotta be a joke in there somewhere.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Much more important than the games and players is the question, which team has the more grizzled coach?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Trying to find a positive in Mad Max only going game 4 - no need for a pitch count. Either way he has the entire offseason to recover.

 

[Greco]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

 

[Apple Juice]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

Crap this thing is on Fox? I can't stand those 2.

 

[tri-man 47]

Game	Matchup	                               Date	        Time (ET) TV	Game 1	Detroit (Verlander) @ SF (Zito)      Wed, Oct 24	8:00 PM	FOX	 	Game 2	Detroit (Fister) @ SF (Bumgarner)    Thu, Oct 25	8:00 PM	FOX	 	Game 3	SF (Cain) @ Detroit (Sanchez)	     Sat, Oct 27	8:00 PM	FOX	Game 4	SF (Vogelsong) @ Detroit (Mad Max)   Sun, Oct 28	8:00 PM	FOX	Game 5*	SF (Zito) @ Detroit (Verlander)      Mon, Oct 29	8:00 PM	FOX	Game 6*	Detroit (Fister) @ SF (Bumgarner)    Wed, Oct 31	8:00 PM	FOX	 	Game 7*	Detroit (TBA) @ SF (Cain)            Thu, Nov 1	        8:00 PM	FOX

Fister vs Bumgarner twice? Gotta be a joke in there somewhere.

"In 2012, the Detroit Tigers were able to win the Series in 6 games. On two occasions, they ran a hot Fister into Bumgarner and the entire Giants team."

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

Crap this thing is on Fox? I can't stand those 2.

I'll be listening to Jim and Dan with the TV on MUTE.

 

[Eephus]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

Crap this thing is on Fox? I can't stand those 2.

I'll be listening to Jim and Dan with the TV on MUTE.

There was about a 30 sec. delay between local radio and the Fox broadcast during the NLCS.

 

[Greco]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

Crap this thing is on Fox? I can't stand those 2.

I'll be listening to Jim and Dan with the TV on MUTE.

There was about a 30 sec. delay between local radio and the Fox broadcast during the NLCS.

que the dvr

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

Crap this thing is on Fox? I can't stand those 2.

I actually like Ernie Johnson more than Buck.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

Crap this thing is on Fox? I can't stand those 2.

I'll be listening to Jim and Dan with the TV on MUTE.

There was about a 30 sec. delay between local radio and the Fox broadcast during the NLCS.

Interesting. When I watch any games during the year the radio is actually slightly ahead of the TV signal. Hope that is still the case.

 

[Eephus]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

Crap this thing is on Fox? I can't stand those 2.

I'll be listening to Jim and Dan with the TV on MUTE.

There was about a 30 sec. delay between local radio and the Fox broadcast during the NLCS.

Interesting. When I watch any games during the year the radio is actually slightly ahead of the TV signal. Hope that is still the case.

The SF radio broadcasts have been about 30 sec. ahead of Joe Buck and about 15 years ahead of Tim McCarver

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Verlander's pitch count reaches 120 before the 7th and Leyland was forced to got to his pen in a 3-3 tie. The Giants unload on the visitors scoring 4 times in the 8th. Final SF 7 Det 3. (SF leads series 1-0)

The backbreaker is a two-out double by Scutaro with runners at first and second. As both runners come into score and Benoit can do nothing but watch, Buck announces that "Scutaro has done it again."

Crap this thing is on Fox? I can't stand those 2.

I'll be listening to Jim and Dan with the TV on MUTE.

There was about a 30 sec. delay between local radio and the Fox broadcast during the NLCS.

Interesting. When I watch any games during the year the radio is actually slightly ahead of the TV signal. Hope that is still the case.

The SF radio broadcasts have been about 30 sec. ahead of Joe Buck and about 15 years ahead of Tim McCarver

 

[jon_mx]

I felt better about the Detroit's chances before the experts started picking the Tigers.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Figures that Detroit weather is warm today &amp; Thursday but sucks when they get back home.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Figures that Detroit weather is warm today &amp; Thursday but sucks when they get back home.

Looks like Friday will suck but here is the three day outlook for the games:Sat High 48 Low 37 20% chance of rainSun High 47 Low 36 10%Mon High 45 Low 34 10%Not horrible. Figure gametime temps around 42 or 43.

 

[kardplayer]

Here's one of those fun stats (although I don't have the full stat at my finger tips - I'll update when I get home)... the team who had the most 1st rounders play for them during the regular season is pretty much a lock for the World Series.

This year - Tigers 7, Giants 5.

Looks like the Tigers are a lock...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Here's one of those fun stats (although I don't have the full stat at my finger tips - I'll update when I get home)... the team who had the most 1st rounders play for them during the regular season is pretty much a lock for the World Series.This year - Tigers 7, Giants 5.Looks like the Tigers are a lock...

Pretty sure Delmon is a -2

 

[Eephus]

Here's one of those fun stats (although I don't have the full stat at my finger tips - I'll update when I get home)... the team who had the most 1st rounders play for them during the regular season is pretty much a lock for the World Series.This year - Tigers 7, Giants 5.Looks like the Tigers are a lock...

Pretty sure Delmon is a -2

Brian Sabean gave first rounders away to sign the likes of Michael Tucker

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Figures that Detroit weather is warm today &amp; Thursday but sucks when they get back home.

Looks like Friday will suck but here is the three day outlook for the games:Sat High 48 Low 37 20% chance of rainSun High 47 Low 36 10%Mon High 45 Low 34 10%Not horrible. Figure gametime temps around 42 or 43.

Good enough. Those who can afford tickets can afford a nice jacket.

 

[Gopher State]

Tigers in 5

Young MVP

 

[Greco]

A's v. Giants.Lock it down.Edit to add: Giants in 6. No earthquake this time around.

 

[teamramrod]

I hate the fact that I can not listen to Dan and Jim tonight.

I will be doing Priceisms myself tonight and will let everyone know in case you want to play along at home.

Peace

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Really think the Yanks win the series this year...Just clicking at the right time

Either them or the 94 Cards