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updated; I agree - this was unintentional in my first list
Will be interesting to see where disappointments like Charles and McFadden go. Chris Johnson as a 2nd rounder will be hard for a lot of people to pass up.What, no Reece?utraged:
...and Maurice Jones Drew.I can see Marshawn Lynch possibly sneaking in the first round.Will be interesting to see where disappointments like Charles and McFadden go. Chris Johnson as a 2nd rounder will be hard for a lot of people to pass up.What, no Reece?
Has Charles been a disappointment? MFL adp says he was rb10 this offseason (22nd overall). PFR says he ranks as rb10 (18th overall). Right on the money. He's been inconsistent, but he's also been dominant, averaging 4.8 ypc and carrying an abysmal offense while just 1 year removed from serious injury. I'll have no qualms about taking him in the late 1st or early 2nd next year.'BobbyLayne said:Will be interesting to see where disappointments like Charles and McFadden go. Chris Johnson as a 2nd rounder will be hard for a lot of people to pass up.'mr roboto said:What, no Reece?
He ranked 4th, 11th, and 1st the last 3 years. PFR has him at 3rd so far this season. That kind of track record, consistency, youth, pedigree, and stability has a lot of value.
I think his usage by Romeo has been a disappointment.Has Charles been a disappointment? MFL adp says he was rb10 this offseason (22nd overall). PFR says he ranks as rb10 (18th overall). Right on the money. He's been inconsistent, but he's also been dominant, averaging 4.8 ypc and carrying an abysmal offense while just 1 year removed from serious injury. I'll have no qualms about taking him in the late 1st or early 2nd next year.'BobbyLayne said:Will be interesting to see where disappointments like Charles and McFadden go. Chris Johnson as a 2nd rounder will be hard for a lot of people to pass up.'mr roboto said:What, no Reece?
I somewhat agree, but I think the top tier is only 2 players going into next year and he is right with the next group. Clear-cut 3rd RB to me.
I agree with this group, though you know Rodgers/Brees are probably going to go in the 1st. Probably seeing Lynch and Spiller drop out of Round 1.
Gronk 10g, 75 targets, 53-748-10, 185.8 points, 18.6 PPGGraham 9G, 77 targets, 51-562-8, 155.2 points, 17.2 PPG
RB4. Rice 10 GAMES, 164-697-7, 54 targets, 40-337-0, 185.4 points, 18.5 PPGRB5. Richardson 10G, 180-670-5, 51 targets, 37-289-1, 168.9 points, 16.9 PPG
Im not taking Rice either, Im a QB first round kinda guy. Gimme Rodgers or Brees
I like this thinking. There's such an advantage for those 2 (and RGIII, so far) the days of waiting on a QB is no longer TSM©.This year I went Rodgers-ADP-Welker-Martin. That's worked out OK.
Charles is on pace to set a career high in carries, by a large margin, the first year back from a major knee injury. He's equalling his career high pace for receptions. Exactly how much work were you expecting him to get?If anything, IMO, his value has gone back up after showing that he's back 100%. The Chiefs as a team have been utterly disappointing. Charles, individually, has been sensational, averaging 4.8 YPC as the only threat on a brutally bad team.I think his usage by Romeo has been a disappointment.Has Charles been a disappointment? MFL adp says he was rb10 this offseason (22nd overall). PFR says he ranks as rb10 (18th overall). Right on the money. He's been inconsistent, but he's also been dominant, averaging 4.8 ypc and carrying an abysmal offense while just 1 year removed from serious injury. I'll have no qualms about taking him in the late 1st or early 2nd next year.'BobbyLayne said:Will be interesting to see where disappointments like Charles and McFadden go. Chris Johnson as a 2nd rounder will be hard for a lot of people to pass up.'mr roboto said:What, no Reece?
No idea how anyone can look at what Gronk's done since he came into the league and think Graham is the #1 TE.Gronk: 42G - 278 targ - 185 rec - 2621 yds - 37 TDsGraham: 40G - 288 targ - 181 rec - 2228 yds - 24 TDsSo on ten fewer targets Gronk has +400 yards, 50% more TDs and 16% more FF points per game played. And Gronk is 23 while Graham is 26.
DAPEYTON!
Usage and volume are not the same thing.The Chiefs offense is a McCluster####. Taking Charles out on third down and GL situations - for the likes of Hillis and Battle - doesn't make sense on any level.Charles is on pace to set a career high in carries, by a large margin, the first year back from a major knee injury. He's equalling his career high pace for receptions. Exactly how much work were you expecting him to get?If anything, IMO, his value has gone back up after showing that he's back 100%. The Chiefs as a team have been utterly disappointing. Charles, individually, has been sensational, averaging 4.8 YPC as the only threat on a brutally bad team.I think his usage by Romeo has been a disappointment.Has Charles been a disappointment? MFL adp says he was rb10 this offseason (22nd overall). PFR says he ranks as rb10 (18th overall). Right on the money. He's been inconsistent, but he's also been dominant, averaging 4.8 ypc and carrying an abysmal offense while just 1 year removed from serious injury. I'll have no qualms about taking him in the late 1st or early 2nd next year.'BobbyLayne said:Will be interesting to see where disappointments like Charles and McFadden go. Chris Johnson as a 2nd rounder will be hard for a lot of people to pass up.'mr roboto said:What, no Reece?
Still a top 10 rb this year coming off the knee injury playing in what may be the worst offense in the league, if/when Romeo gets fired after this season his value will rise if all things stay the same I'm not sure how he's still not drafted as a top 10 rb (probably 2nd round) not to mention the huge amount of upside he offers. I'll gladly draft him in the 2nd round again next year.Usage and volume are not the same thing.The Chiefs offense is a McCluster####. Taking Charles out on third down and GL situations - for the likes of Hillis and Battle - doesn't make sense on any level.Charles is on pace to set a career high in carries, by a large margin, the first year back from a major knee injury. He's equalling his career high pace for receptions. Exactly how much work were you expecting him to get?If anything, IMO, his value has gone back up after showing that he's back 100%. The Chiefs as a team have been utterly disappointing. Charles, individually, has been sensational, averaging 4.8 YPC as the only threat on a brutally bad team.I think his usage by Romeo has been a disappointment.Has Charles been a disappointment? MFL adp says he was rb10 this offseason (22nd overall). PFR says he ranks as rb10 (18th overall). Right on the money. He's been inconsistent, but he's also been dominant, averaging 4.8 ypc and carrying an abysmal offense while just 1 year removed from serious injury. I'll have no qualms about taking him in the late 1st or early 2nd next year.Will be interesting to see where disappointments like Charles and McFadden go. Chris Johnson as a 2nd rounder will be hard for a lot of people to pass up.What, no Reece?
As for efficiency, Charles as a lead back is:
[*]averaging less yards per game rushing
[*]25% less YPC
[*]has a lower TD pct (Carries/TD or TDs/game, take your pick)
[*]has fewer catches per game
[*]less yards per game receiving
Downward trend across the board from his 50-50 time share with Thomas Jones days two years ago. I don't blame Charles for that.
Maybe before the season, even if I didn't believe it, but I don't see how people still put Julio that high.Can he theoretically be that guy? Yes.Has he proven himself/is he Ryan's favorite? No.(ppr since that's what I play)White: 11g, 100 targets, 67-1003-4, 191.3 points, 17.39 ppgJones: 11g, 87 targets, 53-883-6, 179.2 points, 16.29 ppgWhite has the higher catch % as well as consistency (18.4 median ppg vs 17.7 median ppg).White is getting older, so Julio will need to take that role eventually, but I still don't even think next year is that year.
Love having late picks. This year I had Ray Rice as my one keeper, Lynch was around very late first and came back with Percy Harvin. Really paid off for me this year (until Harvin got hurt).Late picks are great because if it's deep enough (like next year seems to be) you can get 2 great players back to back or close to it.
The most impressive thing about it is that he has faced plenty of solid/great run defenses that focused on him and still produced. Guy deserves more credit/hype than he gets and I regret avoiding him based on the tough schedule but will not make the same mistake again next season if given the chance to draft/buy him.IIRC, he will likely be suspended a few games next year for his run in with the law this past the summer. I havent been following this story much so not sure if there have been recent developments indicating no suspension.
I used to have the same thinking, but with guys like McFadden/MJD/Chris Johnson/Mathews/Forte/Fitz all under-performing I'd rather have the sure thing in AP/Foster in non-dynasty 10-14 team leagues.
The NFL is waiting for the legal process to resolve before issuing any suspension. Case is scheduled to wrap up in 2013, which means there's a good chance Lynch will be missing games.
It's very simple...PPR.Compared to other RB's, he's only caught 18 balls; where AP (38), Foster (34), Martin (35), Rice (52), Richardson (45), Charles (31), Spiller (34...playing part time), McCoy (40) all are much more involved in the passing game. I'd take all of those guys if healthy over Lynch next year in a PPR.I'd also take Calvin, Green, Marshall, and Gronk over him. In my rankings for PPR, he'd probably fall behind all listed, plus Brees, Brady, and Rodgers. I'd take him mid second round.
We are all well aware that were a fan of QB early and how right you were about it
