2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (2 Viewers)

[loose circuits]

Team A Gave up 1.2, 2.2, 2014 1st rndr (should be bottom of the first round) Shane Vereen, DeSean JacksonTeam B Gave Arian Foster, Ben Tate, 2.612 team PPR /IDP Dynasty League

I like the picks side

That's crazy talk. Foster is proven stud and Tate is a year away from his own gig. I don't see this deal as close

 

[gianmarco]

Oof, you are completely missing the point. It doesn't matter if I think Miller is long-term starting RB material. I prefaced my very first post on the matter to completely ignore whether or not you like Miller or not. This is one of the very few situations where perception will be EVERYTHING. You keep countering that you don't think he's starting quality material and my response to that is---IT DOES NOT MATTER FOR THE SAKE OF HIS VALUE.

You're right - IF he is named the starter his value will skyrocket. Not only do I not think he is starter material, I don't think he will be named the starter next year. You think it is likey, I don't. We'll see.

KFFL -- "The Miami Dolphins are not considering having RB Daniel Thomas competing with RB Lamar Miller for the starting running back job next season and are not expected to sign a veteran running back to compete with Miller. The team likes Miller's ability to make jump cut moves, which allows him to get to the second level in the team's zone blocking scheme.

"His value has already taken a big jump in just a few weeks with the recent reports. A guy you could buy for a late 1st is now going in the 4th-5th round of startups. Draft hasn't even happened, free agency hasn't even happened and he obviously hasn't played a single snap since this discussion started.

This was my point all along (whether or not you liked him).

 

[King of the Jungle]

Oof, you are completely missing the point. It doesn't matter if I think Miller is long-term starting RB material. I prefaced my very first post on the matter to completely ignore whether or not you like Miller or not. This is one of the very few situations where perception will be EVERYTHING. You keep countering that you don't think he's starting quality material and my response to that is---IT DOES NOT MATTER FOR THE SAKE OF HIS VALUE.

You're right - IF he is named the starter his value will skyrocket. Not only do I not think he is starter material, I don't think he will be named the starter next year. You think it is likey, I don't. We'll see.

KFFL -- "The Miami Dolphins are not considering having RB Daniel Thomas competing with RB Lamar Miller for the starting running back job next season and are not expected to sign a veteran running back to compete with Miller. The team likes Miller's ability to make jump cut moves, which allows him to get to the second level in the team's zone blocking scheme.

"His value has already taken a big jump in just a few weeks with the recent reports. A guy you could buy for a late 1st is now going in the 4th-5th round of startups. Draft hasn't even happened, free agency hasn't even happened and he obviously hasn't played a single snap since this discussion started.

This was my point all along (whether or not you liked him).

Bingo.

 

[gianmarco]

1 ppr:Team A receives: Stewart/1.6Team B receives: Torrey/2014 2nd

 

[One More Rep]

1 ppr:Team A receives: Stewart/1.6Team B receives: Torrey/2014 2nd

Stewart/1.6

 

[Bruce Hammond]

12 team PPR, start QRWT + 3 flex.A gave up:Morgan, Joseph NOS WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.02B gave up:Gore, Frank SFO RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 4.06Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.08

 

[ExaltedOne]

12 team PPR, start QRWT + 3 flex.A gave up:Morgan, Joseph NOS WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.02B gave up:Gore, Frank SFO RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 4.06Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.08

I know he's old, but this seems awfully low for Gore. I mean, the guy is still going in the 5th round of startups...

 

[One More Rep]

12 team PPR, start QRWT + 3 flex.A gave up:Morgan, Joseph NOS WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.02B gave up:Gore, Frank SFO RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 4.06Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.08

I would take Morgan and the pick

 

[Kleck]

12 team PPR w/ FlexIngram, Mark NOS RBHankerson, Leonard WAS WRforPowell, Bilal NYJ RBLittle, Greg CLE WR1.04

 

[gianmarco]

12 team PPR w/ FlexIngram, Mark NOS RBHankerson, Leonard WAS WRforPowell, Bilal NYJ RBLittle, Greg CLE WR1.04

Huh?

 

[moderated]

12 team PPR w/ FlexIngram, Mark NOS RBHankerson, Leonard WAS WRforPowell, Bilal NYJ RBLittle, Greg CLE WR1.04

Huh?

someone still likes Ingram a lot. Thought those people were a dying breed, guess not.

 

[One More Rep]

12 team PPR w/ FlexIngram, Mark NOS RBHankerson, Leonard WAS WRforPowell, Bilal NYJ RBLittle, Greg CLE WR1.04

1.4 for me

 

[ghostguy123]

Team A Gave up 1.2, 2.2, 2014 1st rndr (should be bottom of the first round) Shane Vereen, DeSean JacksonTeam B Gave Arian Foster, Ben Tate, 2.612 team PPR /IDP Dynasty League

I like the picks side

Then you like losing. This is incredibly lopsided.If you want picks, that is fine, but you could, should, and WOULD get much more than this with very minimal shopping of Foster

 

[One More Rep]

Team A Gave up 1.2, 2.2, 2014 1st rndr (should be bottom of the first round) Shane Vereen, DeSean JacksonTeam B Gave Arian Foster, Ben Tate, 2.612 team PPR /IDP Dynasty League

I like the picks side

Then you like losing. This is incredibly lopsided.If you want picks, that is fine, but you could, should, and WOULD get much more than this with very minimal shopping of Foster

If you say so

 

[ghostguy123]

Team A Gave up 1.2, 2.2, 2014 1st rndr (should be bottom of the first round) Shane Vereen, DeSean JacksonTeam B Gave Arian Foster, Ben Tate, 2.612 team PPR /IDP Dynasty League

I like the picks side

Then you like losing. This is incredibly lopsided.If you want picks, that is fine, but you could, should, and WOULD get much more than this with very minimal shopping of Foster

If you say so

Well, I offered Morris, pick 2, and a 2014 1st for Foster and got laughed at. Pretty sure he coulda done better than pick 2 and a future 1st. All the other stuff essentially cancels each other out.If you sell studs for cheap, no idea how you can ever win unless you strike gold on every draft pick.

 

[loose circuits]

12 team PPR w/ Flex

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR

for

Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

Little, Greg CLE WR

1.04

1.4 for me free

 

[coolnerd]

12 team PPR, start QRWT + 3 flex.A gave up:Morgan, Joseph NOS WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.02B gave up:Gore, Frank SFO RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 4.06Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.08

I know he's old, but this seems awfully low for Gore. I mean, the guy is still going in the 5th round of startups...

This is all about how the team is sructured and what the team thinks it can do in 2013. If not getting anything of reasonable value for aging RBs is never bad.

 

[jonboltz]

12 team PPR w/ Flex

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR

for

Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

Little, Greg CLE WR

1.04

1.4 for me free

Still depends on the rookie locations, but I've seen several mocks where I'd rather have Ingram than Allen, Austin, Hopkins, or whoever ends up being RB3 in this class.

 

[loose circuits]

12 team PPR w/ Flex

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR

for

Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

Little, Greg CLE WR

1.04

1.4 for me free

Still depends on the rookie locations, but I've seen several mocks where I'd rather have Ingram than Allen, Austin, Hopkins, or whoever ends up being RB3 in this class.

To me, hankerson is a bust and Powell has shown as much as Ingram. Getting Little definitely tips the scales so 1.04 was just icing on the cake

 

[jonboltz]

12 team PPR w/ Flex

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR

for

Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

Little, Greg CLE WR

1.04

1.4 for me free

Still depends on the rookie locations, but I've seen several mocks where I'd rather have Ingram than Allen, Austin, Hopkins, or whoever ends up being RB3 in this class.

To me, hankerson is a bust and Powell has shown as much as Ingram. Getting Little definitely tips the scales so 1.04 was just icing on the cake

Frankly, I consider Hankerson and Powell both pretty meaningless in this deal. I think Little might hold some value to other owners, but I'm not certain of that in my leagues.Mostly, If I prefer Ingram over whatever player/situation falls to 1.04, adding on any of these additional pieces isn't going to sway my mind much, if at all, in either direction.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

12 team PPR w/ Flex

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR

for

Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

Little, Greg CLE WR

1.04

1.4 for me free

Still depends on the rookie locations, but I've seen several mocks where I'd rather have Ingram than Allen, Austin, Hopkins, or whoever ends up being RB3 in this class.

To me, hankerson is a bust and Powell has shown as much as Ingram. Getting Little definitely tips the scales so 1.04 was just icing on the cake

Both Hankerson and Little will be entering their third season next year. Last year Hankerson put up 38-543-3 and Little put up 53-647-4. One of those players is a bust and the other "tips the scales". They look pretty similiar to me - and one of them has a far better QB prospect to work with.

 

[matttyl]

After the Super Bowl (and with the recent Flacco contract completed), my 10 team league was really talking up the future offensive power of both SF and Baltimore. So....Traded T Smith for a pair of 2014 1st round rookie picks and a 2014 2nd round rookie pick.Traded Crabtree and that 2014 2nd round rookie pick for another pair of 2014 1s rounders and a pair of late 2013 2nd rounders (#17 and 20). Still have Fitz, Nicks and Nelson as my only rostered WRs. We start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WRs, 1 TE, and 2 RB/WR/TE flexes (along with IDPs). I now have 8 of the 10 first round picks in the 2014 draft.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR w/ Flex

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR

for

Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

Little, Greg CLE WR

1.04

1.4 for me free

I kinda feel the same. I don't like any of the "players" in this deal. I could see this trade go down easily just two players for the the other two players, and I still might take Little and Powell, not sure. Getting pick #4 is essentially pick 4 for free, so yeah.

 

[Concept Coop]

KFFL -- "The Miami Dolphins are not considering having RB Daniel Thomas competing with RB Lamar Miller for the starting running back job next season and are not expected to sign a veteran running back to compete with Miller. The team likes Miller's ability to make jump cut moves, which allows him to get to the second level in the team's zone blocking scheme."

His value has already taken a big jump in just a few weeks with the recent reports. A guy you could buy for a late 1st is now going in the 4th-5th round of startups. Draft hasn't even happened, free agency hasn't even happened and he obviously hasn't played a single snap since this discussion started.

This was my point all along (whether or not you liked him).

Let it die, man. The very quote of mine you used, said, "You're right - IF he is named the starter his value will skyrocket." I clearly understood your point. If Quizz is named the starter, his value will skyrocket. If Pead is named the starter, his value will skyrocket. If D.Richardson is named the starter, his value will skyrocket. If Powell is named the starter, his value will skyrocket. He hasn't been named the starter, and people were already treating him as the likely favorite for the job. Show me where his value has jumped. His ADP was already 6th round, there were already people taking him in the 4th and trading top 4-6 rookie picks for him. This article isn't anything new, even. If the Dolphins had decided on him being the starter, they would say it. It makes no sense that they would be willing to say "We're not likely to sign anyone, and we're not going to let Thomas compete for the job because we really like Miller" but not "Miller's our guy and we're moving forward with him as our starter."

You yourself said it's not set in stone; I don't understand why you're upset that I agree, and simply think it's less likely that you do.

 

[gianmarco]

A traded Alfred Morris, Wsh to M

A traded Kenny Britt, Ten to M

M traded Stevan Ridley, NE to A

M traded Demaryius Thomas, Den to A

and..

G traded Miles Austin, Dal WR to C

G traded Marshawn Lynch, Sea RB to C

C traded Doug Martin, TB RB to G

and..

R traded Lamar Miller, Mia RB to G

G traded 1.10 2013 draft

G traded DuJuan Harris, GB RB to R

G traded Bilal Powell, NYJ RB to R

This is from Feb 8th, almost 1 month ago. Considering Powell and Harris don't have much value on their own, you were advocating the 1.10 side in this deal. Miller's ADP in startups was not in the 4th round like it is right now at the time, so his value has clearly gone up. Again, just based on the situation, Miller had the most likelihood to see a significant jump in value and subsequently has without much happening. You could sell Miller for a top 3 rookie pick now pretty easily, I'd suspect.

You tried to lump Miller in with the rest of those scrubs like Pead and Powell when it's simply not the same.

And, if Powell were named the starting RB for the NYJ today, no one is paying a top 3 rookie pick for him. Same goes for the other comparisons you tried to make.

The window to buy Miller and sell for profit is long gone. The funny thing is, it wasn't that long ago and not much has happened. He was the perfect speculative buy. And you didn't even have to like him. All you had to do was recognize the situation, how he was viewed as a prospect by some, and listen to what the GM was saying as well as look at the FA landscape along with the NFL draft to turn a simple profit.

 

[Concept Coop]

This is from Feb 8th, almost 1 month ago. Considering Powell and Harris don't have much value on their own, you were advocating the 1.10 side in this deal. Miller's ADP in startups was not in the 4th round like it is right now at the time, so his value has clearly gone up.

I'm very fine being wrong about a particular trade. I'm wrong all of the time. That wasn't what I asked. And the example of Miller going in the 4th came during our initial conversation, so don't take credit for it now. And it still isn't in the 4th round range. You're taking an article that has been done before, and pointing it as your endgame. Quite a reach. You're moving the goalposts up. Your entire argument was based on him starting - he hasn't been named the starter. I certainly underestimated the reaction time of the hobby - it took a while for word to spread; I thought his 1.06 value was his peak, prior to camp, and was wrong about that. I thought those dictating his value were doing so with the speculative information out, which hasn't changed.

Again, just based on the situation, Miller had the most likelihood to see a significant jump in value and subsequently has without much happening. You could sell Miller for a top 3 rookie pick now pretty easily, I'd suspect.

The team relying on a 3rd string back with 51 career carries to start is an example of "much happening."

You tried to lump Miller in with the rest of those scrubs like Pead and Powell when it's simply not the same.

How is it not the same? We are not talking about his value, or talent, at the moment. We are talking about his status as "the perfect buy". Powell and Pead are in similar situations. They are 2nd and 4th round picks on teams with no clear starter. Ring a bell?

And, if Powell were named the starting RB for the NYJ today, no one is paying a top 3 rookie pick for him. Same goes for the other comparisons you tried to make.

If Pead is named the starter his ADP would be right next to Miller's. He was drafted higher and is going to starter for a better team, with a coach who would love to ride a bell-cow. But, again, I never claimed Powell was, or ever would be as valuable as Miller. That wasn't the conversation we were having.

The window to buy Miller and sell for profit is long gone. The funny thing is, it wasn't that long ago and not much has happened. He was the perfect speculative buy.

Every move that works out was perfect in hindsight - a gambler's folly. And if your goal to turn a 1.06 to 1.03 profit, well done. I haven't looked at the ADP data, but I think such a jump is reasonable.

 

[Mimo]

A traded Alfred Morris, Wsh to M

A traded Kenny Britt, Ten to M

M traded Stevan Ridley, NE to A

M traded Demaryius Thomas, Den to A

and..

G traded Miles Austin, Dal WR to C

G traded Marshawn Lynch, Sea RB to C

C traded Doug Martin, TB RB to G

and..

R traded Lamar Miller, Mia RB to G

G traded 1.10 2013 draft

G traded DuJuan Harris, GB RB to R

G traded Bilal Powell, NYJ RB to R

This is from Feb 8th, almost 1 month ago. Considering Powell and Harris don't have much value on their own, you were advocating the 1.10 side in this deal. Miller's ADP in startups was not in the 4th round like it is right now at the time, so his value has clearly gone up. Again, just based on the situation, Miller had the most likelihood to see a significant jump in value and subsequently has without much happening. You could sell Miller for a top 3 rookie pick now pretty easily, I'd suspect.

You tried to lump Miller in with the rest of those scrubs like Pead and Powell when it's simply not the same.

And, if Powell were named the starting RB for the NYJ today, no one is paying a top 3 rookie pick for him. Same goes for the other comparisons you tried to make.

The window to buy Miller and sell for profit is long gone. The funny thing is, it wasn't that long ago and not much has happened. He was the perfect speculative buy. And you didn't even have to like him. All you had to do was recognize the situation, how he was viewed as a prospect by some, and listen to what the GM was saying as well as look at the FA landscape along with the NFL draft to turn a simple profit.

In my leagues (4) the trading window has been closed on Miller since he was drafted. The best offer turned down was 1.3 straight up for him. I have 1.1 in one of those leagues but I'm not giving that for him.

 

[Kleck]

12 team PPR w/ Flex

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR

for

Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

Little, Greg CLE WR

1.04

1.4 for me free

Still depends on the rookie locations, but I've seen several mocks where I'd rather have Ingram than Allen, Austin, Hopkins, or whoever ends up being RB3 in this class.

To me, hankerson is a bust and Powell has shown as much as Ingram. Getting Little definitely tips the scales so 1.04 was just icing on the cake

Both Hankerson and Little will be entering their third season next year. Last year Hankerson put up 38-543-3 and Little put up 53-647-4. One of those players is a bust and the other "tips the scales". They look pretty similiar to me - and one of them has a far better QB prospect to work with.

I wasn't involved in this one, but felt it was fair for each team based on their current situations and how I expect the rookie draft to go thru 4 picks.

 

[gianmarco]

1 pprTeam A receives: Miles Austin/Heath MillerTeam B receives: Tampa Mike

 

[Dragon1952]

12 team, 1 PPRA - Alshon Jeffrey, Reggie WayneB - 1.4, Greg Little

 

[Concept Coop]

12 team, 1 PPRA - Alshon Jeffrey, Reggie WayneB - 1.4, Greg Little

Very close. I am very low on Little, so I would likely take the Alshon/Wayne side, in most situations. Will the 1.04 have enough value on Jeffrey to justify including Wayne? Again, close trade in my opinion.

 

[matttyl]

12 team, 1 PPRA - Alshon Jeffrey, Reggie WayneB - 1.4, Greg Little

Depending on team needs I could see either, but all being equal I'd rather have Jeffrey and Wayne. Any thoughts on my above trades (T Smith and Crabtree for 4 2014 1s)?

 

[matttyl]

1 pprTeam A receives: Miles Austin/Heath MillerTeam B receives: Tampa Mike

Miles Austin side, by quite a bit. Even if Miller had been on the other side of the trade. Thoughts on my above trades?

 

[One More Rep]

1 pprTeam A receives: Miles Austin/Heath MillerTeam B receives: Tampa Mike

Tampa Mike

 

[One More Rep]

12 team, 1 PPRA - Alshon Jeffrey, Reggie WayneB - 1.4, Greg Little

1.4 for me

 

[One More Rep]

team a gets David Wilson/Demaryius Thomas/ 2013 rookie pick 2.6team b gets C.J. Spiller/Dwayne Bowe/Vincent Brown/Jared Cook/ 2013 rookie pick 1.8

 

[lbouchard]

12 team PPR- not involvedTeam A gets: Pitta, Fitzgerald, MathewsTeam B gets: Gronkowski

 

[Concept Coop]

12 team PPR- not involvedTeam A gets: Pitta, Fitzgerald, MathewsTeam B gets: Gronkowski

Could work out for both teams. But I'd take Gronk in a vacuum.

 

[One More Rep]

12 team PPR- not involvedTeam A gets: Pitta, Fitzgerald, MathewsTeam B gets: Gronkowski

Gronkowski for me

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This is from Feb 8th, almost 1 month ago. Considering Powell and Harris don't have much value on their own, you were advocating the 1.10 side in this deal. Miller's ADP in startups was not in the 4th round like it is right now at the time, so his value has clearly gone up.

I'm very fine being wrong about a particular trade. I'm wrong all of the time. That wasn't what I asked. And the example of Miller going in the 4th came during our initial conversation, so don't take credit for it now. And it still isn't in the 4th round range. You're taking an article that has been done before, and pointing it as your endgame. Quite a reach. You're moving the goalposts up. Your entire argument was based on him starting - he hasn't been named the starter. I certainly underestimated the reaction time of the hobby - it took a while for word to spread; I thought his 1.06 value was his peak, prior to camp, and was wrong about that. I thought those dictating his value were doing so with the speculative information out, which hasn't changed.

Again, just based on the situation, Miller had the most likelihood to see a significant jump in value and subsequently has without much happening. You could sell Miller for a top 3 rookie pick now pretty easily, I'd suspect.

The team relying on a 3rd string back with 51 career carries to start is an example of "much happening."

You tried to lump Miller in with the rest of those scrubs like Pead and Powell when it's simply not the same.

How is it not the same? We are not talking about his value, or talent, at the moment. We are talking about his status as "the perfect buy". Powell and Pead are in similar situations. They are 2nd and 4th round picks on teams with no clear starter. Ring a bell?

And, if Powell were named the starting RB for the NYJ today, no one is paying a top 3 rookie pick for him. Same goes for the other comparisons you tried to make.

If Pead is named the starter his ADP would be right next to Miller's. He was drafted higher and is going to starter for a better team, with a coach who would love to ride a bell-cow. But, again, I never claimed Powell was, or ever would be as valuable as Miller. That wasn't the conversation we were having.

The window to buy Miller and sell for profit is long gone. The funny thing is, it wasn't that long ago and not much has happened. He was the perfect speculative buy.

Every move that works out was perfect in hindsight - a gambler's folly. And if your goal to turn a 1.06 to 1.03 profit, well done. I haven't looked at the ADP data, but I think such a jump is reasonable.

I'm still perfectly happy getting Andrew Hawkins and a 2014 1st for him from Gian. But I love Hawkins and am not as high on Miller as most seem to be. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Slider]

team a gets David Wilson/Demaryius Thomas/ 2013 rookie pick 2.6

team b gets C.J. Spiller/Dwayne Bowe/Vincent Brown/Jared Cook/ 2013 rookie pick 1.8

Close trade though.

 

[One More Rep]

team a gets 2013 rookie pick 3.5team b gets Dwayne Harris

 

[loose circuits]

12 team PPR w/ Flex

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR

for

Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

Little, Greg CLE WR

1.04

1.4 for me free

Still depends on the rookie locations, but I've seen several mocks where I'd rather have Ingram than Allen, Austin, Hopkins, or whoever ends up being RB3 in this class.

To me, hankerson is a bust and Powell has shown as much as Ingram. Getting Little definitely tips the scales so 1.04 was just icing on the cake

Both Hankerson and Little will be entering their third season next year. Last year Hankerson put up 38-543-3 and Little put up 53-647-4. One of those players is a bust and the other "tips the scales". They look pretty similiar to me - and one of them has a far better QB prospect to work with.

Hankerson seems to have problems seperating and I could see him as being easily replaceable while Little come on last season and seemed to be figuring out wr which is to be expected with his limited experience at the position. Latest word is the brownsnew staff are impressed

 

[mzkp54]

Gave: Romo, Brazill, 1.09Got: Tannehill, Michael Floyd, 1.1212 team PPR

 

[menobrown]

team a gets David Wilson/Demaryius Thomas/ 2013 rookie pick 2.6

team b gets C.J. Spiller/Dwayne Bowe/Vincent Brown/Jared Cook/ 2013 rookie pick 1.8

Close trade though.

And I thought team B won rather easily.

 

[One More Rep]

Gave: Romo, Brazill, 1.09Got: Tannehill, Michael Floyd, 1.1212 team PPR

Tannehill/Floyd side

 

[doowain]

12 Team PPR

Gave:

Isaiah Pead

Got:

1.09

 

[Bandite]

12 Team PPRGave: Isaiah PeadGot:1.09

I like pead but1.9 seems like good value

 

[One More Rep]

12 Team PPRGave: Isaiah PeadGot:1.09

1.9 for me

 

[Bandite]

12 team PPR- not involvedTeam A gets: Pitta, Fitzgerald, MathewsTeam B gets: Gronkowski

Yea Gronk for me too.