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2013 Official Dallas Cowboys Thread (2 Viewers)
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dhockster
Footballguy
What will be fascinating is to look at this 3 years from now. Not only will you be able to see who Dallas hit or missed on with the players they took, but you will be able to see how they did in
their grading of players that they did not take. Based on this, the public will really be able to know whether Dallas really knew what they were doing in the 2013 draft.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
RHJ isn't calling plays anymore.
This can ONLY be a good thing, imo.
This can ONLY be a good thing, imo.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Do I like these minimum vet signings? I would characterize it as I don't dislike them. There is no guarantee unless they make the opening day roster. If nothing else, they are a camp body who can be a realistic participant. Maybe they make the team, maybe they don't. If they do, the brass obviously felt they displaced someone who had no future in the league. If they do make it, then we have guys who know what the league is like.
Bottom line. Not much risk. Possible player to add depth. Won't win us games, but hopefully are decent enough not to lose them either.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
What will be fascinating is to look at this 3 years from now. Not only will you be able to see who Dallas hit or missed on with the players they took, but you will be able to see how they did indhockster said:
their grading of players that they did not take. Based on this, the public will really be able to know whether Dallas really knew what they were doing in the 2013 draft.
The 2010 draft board showed they did a reasonably decent job of assessing talent. It will be interesting to get a second crack at that assessment.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Thankfully, some of our mistakes are semi-correctable. Hargrove released.
How much did his 1-month stint cost us in cap space? I assume we wasted a couple hundred grand on this ingrate. Or, does he not count against the cap?
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Absolutely no depth at these positions. At least we have a 2nd round TE and a 1st round center!
Remember when everyone was following up being pissed about the 1st round with the way the 2nd round played out? We gave up a stud TE, SF, or DT so that we could reach for an OL we could have gotten in the 2nd and then used the pick we got on a WR that is struggling ... and our 2nd rounder on what may go down as a draft bust when strong candidates at other positions were still available.
Manster
Footballguy
One of the things I was concerned about was the fact that Escobar had trouble blocking the Mountain West. This is not a conference particlarly known for good defenses. Yea he made some nice plays, but again, against mostly lesser college defenses. At this point, he's just a tall, slow guy with good hands, that cant block. Heir to Witten's throne? Not likely. At best, he'll be a situational player used to create mismatches. With other weapons such as Dez, Austin, Witten drawing coverage, Escobar may indeed get his chance to shine. Time will tell. We'll see how well they coach him up
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
We drafted Bennett the same way, we didn't need him at the time but we took him anyway. We didn't need Escobar, so the pick didn't make a lot of sense, maddening.
Rosario made a nice move off the line and caught a pass on the first drive.
First drive but I liked the blocking of our O-line, particularly the left side. We were able to hold blocks to get the edge on 3 plays. We didn't score but I thought it was a solid drive. Our O-line is winning up front, at least against whomever Miami has in there to start tonight.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Tanner doesn't get many yards after contact.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Is Murray heading into the year 100% ? Also, does he catch many passes?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
He should be 99.9 percent, but he's had some trouble staying healthy in general. Yes, I like the way he catches the ball and turns up field. He's a solid option in the passing game when receivers are covered.
Murray was a fantasy disappointment last year, going late 1st and early 2nd round. There are a lot of owners who won't touch him and if he could stay healthy this year, make some people happy. He's not a player I would reach for but I wouldn't pass on him at all costs either. I don't believe there's 1 guy you can draft as his backup either, it'll be RBBC behind him if he were to go down or not start a game during the regular season.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Tanner and Dubar looked explosive and fast tonight.
Randle, meh. Nothing.
Defense looks fast and hungry, even for a second team set of guys.
Randle, meh. Nothing.
Defense looks fast and hungry, even for a second team set of guys.
EBF
Footballguy
As an outsider, I wonder about the Cowboys scouting department. They drafted a bunch of guys this year who have suspect tools on paper (Williams, Randle, Escobar). It makes me wonder if their scouting department is too old school and not lending enough weight to factors besides subjective scout evaluations.
Shanahanigans
Footballguy
Really? Is this sarcasm? He was the only RB on either team breaking tackles.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Manster
Footballguy
Thoughts from the game. Only got through the 1st half.
Tanner could easily be the #2 RB. We've seen flashes in the past. Looks like he might be a ready for prime time player.
The Beard looks solid at center. And reports are that he's taking to being the leader on the O-line. Reach or not, I think its very likely that he makes our O-line quite a bit better.
Holloman showed nice athleticism on that pick 6. That was not an easy catch. And it was a 75 yard return, with a stiff arm! granted it was a stiff arm to a QB. But still!
Jeris Pendleton made a nice play on the GL where he chucked a blocker and stuffed the run. Looked him up. He's had a roundabout journey to get where he is. The little I saw of him, he looked solid.
Nick Stephens is better than Stephen McGee. (I know, woopity doo!) He's obviously a project, but I liked his mobility and arm strength, even though he missed Beasley on that blown coverage.
Cant wait to see both 1st units out on the field!
I dunno, I'm as biga Cowboys pessimist as there is, but I kinda have a good feeling about this season. If the key guys can stay healthy, this team could go places. I think Romo might have his best year. Just a gut feeling based on his command on the field last season. If other guys step up, Romo will benefit big time....................Or we go 8-8 again with 5 chances to take the East and falter in the end. As a Cowboys fan, you have to almost expect that.
Tanner could easily be the #2 RB. We've seen flashes in the past. Looks like he might be a ready for prime time player.
The Beard looks solid at center. And reports are that he's taking to being the leader on the O-line. Reach or not, I think its very likely that he makes our O-line quite a bit better.
Holloman showed nice athleticism on that pick 6. That was not an easy catch. And it was a 75 yard return, with a stiff arm! granted it was a stiff arm to a QB. But still!
Jeris Pendleton made a nice play on the GL where he chucked a blocker and stuffed the run. Looked him up. He's had a roundabout journey to get where he is. The little I saw of him, he looked solid.
Nick Stephens is better than Stephen McGee. (I know, woopity doo!) He's obviously a project, but I liked his mobility and arm strength, even though he missed Beasley on that blown coverage.
Cant wait to see both 1st units out on the field!
I dunno, I'm as biga Cowboys pessimist as there is, but I kinda have a good feeling about this season. If the key guys can stay healthy, this team could go places. I think Romo might have his best year. Just a gut feeling based on his command on the field last season. If other guys step up, Romo will benefit big time....................Or we go 8-8 again with 5 chances to take the East and falter in the end. As a Cowboys fan, you have to almost expect that.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I worry about them, too. But not based on the 3 guys you mention. Non of them were really considered a reach.
I worry about them becuase they traded back to take a guy they graded as a 2nd rounder, when their #5 overall prospect was on the board.
That and they've sucked for years, with the exception of the first couple rounds.
JFS171
Footballguy
I certainly hope my league is thinking like the thoughts of this thread so far.
IMO Dunbar is the 2nd running back and clear handcuff to Murray, but folks still talk about Tanner and Randle.
Dunbar went from undrafted rookie to second on the totem pole last year, and has kept the spot through the offseason. Looked solid to me last night, and given Murray's propensity to miss games, I'm looking to add Dunbar in my dynasty with a late pick.
IMO Dunbar is the 2nd running back and clear handcuff to Murray, but folks still talk about Tanner and Randle.
Dunbar went from undrafted rookie to second on the totem pole last year, and has kept the spot through the offseason. Looked solid to me last night, and given Murray's propensity to miss games, I'm looking to add Dunbar in my dynasty with a late pick.
Manster
Footballguy
JFS, I dont think Dunbar is by any means head-and-shoulders above Tanner at this point. Tanner has struggled in pass protection, but looks tough running the ball. Dunbar looks good too, and is receiving a lot of praise. Throw Randle into the mix, and as far as for FF purposes, its anybodies guess as to how this will play out. It was the 1st game, but I thought Randle looked slow. We need more reps from all these guys.
This is what the preseason is about. Tanner got a lot of work last night, and looked good. Although, everyone for da 'Boys was gaining yards last night. As a fan it was a big positive to see the Cowboys run game outclass the phins run D. Again, it was the 1st game of the preseason, so take it all with a grain of salt.
None of these 3 have the talent that Murray has. But he cant stay healthy. Somebody out of these 3 may have significant FF value. As a fan, I'm just excited we dont have Felix "full head of steam into the back of an O-lineman" Jones.
This is what the preseason is about. Tanner got a lot of work last night, and looked good. Although, everyone for da 'Boys was gaining yards last night. As a fan it was a big positive to see the Cowboys run game outclass the phins run D. Again, it was the 1st game of the preseason, so take it all with a grain of salt.
None of these 3 have the talent that Murray has. But he cant stay healthy. Somebody out of these 3 may have significant FF value. As a fan, I'm just excited we dont have Felix "full head of steam into the back of an O-lineman" Jones.
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Shanahanigans
Footballguy
I agree, he was thoroughly unimpressive. The good thing is that people who didn't watch the game will only see his impressive stat-line, and wont realize that he didn't look good at all imo.Manster said:
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Mother _____ing what?!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/07/brandon-moores-cowboy-career-one-night/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/07/brandon-moores-cowboy-career-one-night/
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Yep, ButtFumble decided to retire rather than take Jerry's money.cobalt_27 said:
Its looking like the starting OL will be Tyron, Leary, Fred, Bernie, Free. Main interior backups are Costa and Arkin. Livings' health issues are costing him a spot, though his cap impact may have him stay around. Cook and Kowalski are in the mix too on the inside.
Two new starters. Both appear strong. Fred appears to be very smart. Upgrade at C, at least. Leary, hopefully will be too. They should be able to run block better than last year's crew at least.
Backup OT is UGLY too. We better pray for OL health. I'm sure Romo is.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Cowboys | Miles Austin working as a punt returner
Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:22:52 -0700
Dallas Cowboys WR Miles Austin is getting reps as a punt returner in practice Monday, Aug. 12.
Don't like it at all.
Someone they have must have returned punts before without constantly muffing and being terrible at it.
Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:22:52 -0700
Dallas Cowboys WR Miles Austin is getting reps as a punt returner in practice Monday, Aug. 12.
Don't like it at all.
Someone they have must have returned punts before without constantly muffing and being terrible at it.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Looking forward to seeing the Cowboys offense against a better than average Az defense.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
After a nice break from the board, this thread and the trolls I am back and ready for some Football.
Here are my random thoughts on all things Cowboys:
Not too concerned about the turnovers on Saturday. Although some concern about Orton...Oof. Some terrible throws. I have been impressed with Tanney and hope we keep him.
Biggest thing I have been impressed with the offense has been the pace. Very little of the snaps with 2 seconds left. Romo looked sharp and we seem to be throwing more vertically which I have #####ed about for a while.
Speaking of long term #####ing, my prayers have been answered with getting a 4-3 defense. We never had the right NT to run the 3-4 in the first place. Although our DL is short on depth right now, those guys will get after the QB. Sean Lee remains my favourite Cowboy. I think the D will be better then average, but not elite, which should be enough to be competitive with the weapons we have.
I looked at all the NFC East schedules and I saw a total log jam. I had the Cowboys and a Skins with 9 wins, the Gmen with 8, and Philly at 7. Not much to choose from.
Early SB prediction is Denver 21 - Seattle 20.
Liking Dunbar and his speed.
Still not getting the Escobar pick.
Loving the Frederick pick, he looks awesome. Now if we could find 2 decent and healthy guards we might be OK.
Hey Mo, get your #### on the field.
Harris better show something or he is gonna lose the WR 3 spot.
That's it, why so quiet in here?
Here are my random thoughts on all things Cowboys:
Not too concerned about the turnovers on Saturday. Although some concern about Orton...Oof. Some terrible throws. I have been impressed with Tanney and hope we keep him.
Biggest thing I have been impressed with the offense has been the pace. Very little of the snaps with 2 seconds left. Romo looked sharp and we seem to be throwing more vertically which I have #####ed about for a while.
Speaking of long term #####ing, my prayers have been answered with getting a 4-3 defense. We never had the right NT to run the 3-4 in the first place. Although our DL is short on depth right now, those guys will get after the QB. Sean Lee remains my favourite Cowboy. I think the D will be better then average, but not elite, which should be enough to be competitive with the weapons we have.
I looked at all the NFC East schedules and I saw a total log jam. I had the Cowboys and a Skins with 9 wins, the Gmen with 8, and Philly at 7. Not much to choose from.
Early SB prediction is Denver 21 - Seattle 20.
Liking Dunbar and his speed.
Still not getting the Escobar pick.
Loving the Frederick pick, he looks awesome. Now if we could find 2 decent and healthy guards we might be OK.
Hey Mo, get your #### on the field.
Harris better show something or he is gonna lose the WR 3 spot.
That's it, why so quiet in here?
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
if healthy, lee and carter will be the best LB duo in the league after willis/bowman (jones had explicitly mentioned he had hoped this would be the case a year ago)...
escobar could involve two questions... talent and/or need...
talent-wise, i think a lot of scouts had him as most talented after consensus top two eifert and ertz, so that was probably appropriate value where they got him...
DAL has bad track record of incorporating second TE into base offense, didn't work with fasano or bennet... and they certainly weren't the heir apparents, no longer being on team... on latter point, though, since i have seen this point raised, witten was a lot younger before...
isn't he like 32 now? so escobar (though in matt waldman's always insightful rookie scouting guide, is withering in his critique of blocking ability), if he can be functional blocker, perhaps somewhat indeterminate at this point, and maybe a risky pick for a second from that vantage point, would seem to be straightforward projection as witten's successor...
no link, but good article by maybe my favorite cowboys commentator, rafael vela, focused on potentially hidden need for witten heir apparent maybe being more pronounced than commonly realized, should be easy to track down, with title like is witten losing his fastball, with 2012 numbers showing, despite career high receptions, also i think career low average reception yardage, with a dramatic drop off (he was recovering from spleen injury early?)... coupled with his age, i thought he made some reasonable points...
as to two TE offense, you probably saw news from war room around time of draft, but jerry supposedly made coaching staff sign off on using him more than previous second TEs to justify using resource like a second round pick, and reportedly got that committment...
his speed and strength have been questioned (as well as blocking, which could be related to strength)... i thought he looked good on TD, decent quickness in the flat, and bulled through two defenders...
though he is unquestionably slower, frank coyle comped him with jimmy graham, presumably for his size, athletic movement skills for a 6'6" big man and outstanding ball skills... mcshay i think said during draft escobar might have best hands in draft, including WR (?)...
he did run an alarmingly slow 40 at combine, but bettered it as SDSU pro day, and on film, he plays faster (BAL scooped up terrell suggs at discount due to slow 40, and he became DPOY... PIT did it this year with jarvis jones, one of if not best 3-4 rush backers in draft - sometimes narrow and limited measurables ((football isn't usually played in track shorts, straight lines and over 40 yards)) cause front office types to unfortunately discard years of meticulously observed prospect scouting reports amassed over several years)...
very interested to see how claiborne and carr do in new cover two, which is zone based, not man cover, and has far more run support responsibility (see TB, IND and CHI at various times past decade or so - following dungy or disciple lovie smith, MIN HC may also have come from dungy coaching tree?)... i have high hopes for them, but it could take some time adjusting as they transition to tampa bay cover two scheme...
i haven't had a chance to see wilcox, but he sounds like an impressive athlete (could have a lot of upside when he learns position, skill position player until just a year ago)... along with OL issues, safety has been obvious achilles heel for years, odd that in one of best years for safeties i can recall in years (vaccaro, reid, elam first rounders, cyprien 2.1), they didn't get a more frontline prospect... vaccaro was off the board, could have had reid (trade with SF netted reid), but i understand the need to strengthen interior OL, fredrick can play center or guard... and of course elam and cyprien were gone by next pick... didn't get outrage over center pick, thought he was unjustly maligned...
i'm not usually comfortable when pundits say a player would be there a round later... how do they know? if he was last OL they liked before a dropoff, they had to get him... maybe they reached a LITTLE, but it only takes one team to love a player, and if you get cute and try and trade down a few picks, another team might trade up and snipe you...
rams have done a lot of great things since 2012, but i thought they got cute after trading down with RGIII blockbuster (fine with that, obviously), trading down with cowboys so they could get claiborne and rams got brockers (brilliant, looks like future pro bowler, could be dominant and that weaponizes DEs long and quinn)... but than they traded down a few spots in mid-2nd, got an extra 5th (or 4th?) which i think they used on guard rokevious watkins... who didn't meet weight guidelines and was released after just one season - OOF... they reportedly would have taken bobby wagner or mychal kendricks, assuming they would be there few picks later, and they were both gone, so they had to settle for pead, who hasn't exactly set league on fire, and has been outplayed by 7th rounder richardson? again, on balance, i love what STL (ie - fisher and snead) have done, the risk taking and trading down has already reaped fantastic dividends, but that is the dark side, gambling is called gambling for a reason, and sometimes you lose players you wanted... wagner would have played WLB with laurinaitis, but he looks like one of best young LBs in league after kuechly and with lavonte david (rams could have gotten him instead of pead, as well, but i think fisher prefers bigger LBs)... but i digress...
terrance williams also very interesting, austin said he thinks this is his last year, but he has been hurt a lot and maybe that was lack of confidence speaking... i think he is signed through 2014 (?), but makes a lot (WR1 money, which he was at time, before being passed by surging bryant, who in second half of 2012 had better production than even calvin johnson) and has been hurt, played much better in breakout 2009 and 2010 than injury-marred 2011-2012... is the consensus that if austin improbably stays healthy all year and plays well (top 20 at position, bryant now clear WR1), he could be retained next season? perhaps it is contingent on williams play, who started slow reportedly, but is said to be looking really good lately...
he went to same school as RGIII, kendall wright and josh gordon (only for one season?), and put up better numbers than wright or gordon... led nation with 1,800+ receiving yards... he has been called limited and one dimensional, but perhaps can be coached up to become more well rounded and complete WR in time... and his deep threat skill set dovetails nicely with romo's deep touch and accuracy...
not talked about much lately (out of sight, out of mind), but if spencer can return to form quickly after returning from knee injury, he will be highly motivated in contract year (not sure if he is in DAL in 2014?), i thought he actually outperformed ware in second half of 2012 (in fairness, ware is a warrior and was banged up but gutted it out), and could be real key to defense (and by implication, the season)... key, fundamental tenet of tampa bay cover two is generating pressure from DL and not resorting to blitzes, leaving back seven to run to ball in run support and maintain designated zones in pass defense... apart from ware, cowboys don't have anybody else on roster than can bring heat like spencer if healthy...
escobar could involve two questions... talent and/or need...
talent-wise, i think a lot of scouts had him as most talented after consensus top two eifert and ertz, so that was probably appropriate value where they got him...
DAL has bad track record of incorporating second TE into base offense, didn't work with fasano or bennet... and they certainly weren't the heir apparents, no longer being on team... on latter point, though, since i have seen this point raised, witten was a lot younger before...
isn't he like 32 now? so escobar (though in matt waldman's always insightful rookie scouting guide, is withering in his critique of blocking ability), if he can be functional blocker, perhaps somewhat indeterminate at this point, and maybe a risky pick for a second from that vantage point, would seem to be straightforward projection as witten's successor...no link, but good article by maybe my favorite cowboys commentator, rafael vela, focused on potentially hidden need for witten heir apparent maybe being more pronounced than commonly realized, should be easy to track down, with title like is witten losing his fastball, with 2012 numbers showing, despite career high receptions, also i think career low average reception yardage, with a dramatic drop off (he was recovering from spleen injury early?)... coupled with his age, i thought he made some reasonable points...
as to two TE offense, you probably saw news from war room around time of draft, but jerry supposedly made coaching staff sign off on using him more than previous second TEs to justify using resource like a second round pick, and reportedly got that committment...
his speed and strength have been questioned (as well as blocking, which could be related to strength)... i thought he looked good on TD, decent quickness in the flat, and bulled through two defenders...
though he is unquestionably slower, frank coyle comped him with jimmy graham, presumably for his size, athletic movement skills for a 6'6" big man and outstanding ball skills... mcshay i think said during draft escobar might have best hands in draft, including WR (?)...
he did run an alarmingly slow 40 at combine, but bettered it as SDSU pro day, and on film, he plays faster (BAL scooped up terrell suggs at discount due to slow 40, and he became DPOY... PIT did it this year with jarvis jones, one of if not best 3-4 rush backers in draft - sometimes narrow and limited measurables ((football isn't usually played in track shorts, straight lines and over 40 yards)) cause front office types to unfortunately discard years of meticulously observed prospect scouting reports amassed over several years)...
very interested to see how claiborne and carr do in new cover two, which is zone based, not man cover, and has far more run support responsibility (see TB, IND and CHI at various times past decade or so - following dungy or disciple lovie smith, MIN HC may also have come from dungy coaching tree?)... i have high hopes for them, but it could take some time adjusting as they transition to tampa bay cover two scheme...
i haven't had a chance to see wilcox, but he sounds like an impressive athlete (could have a lot of upside when he learns position, skill position player until just a year ago)... along with OL issues, safety has been obvious achilles heel for years, odd that in one of best years for safeties i can recall in years (vaccaro, reid, elam first rounders, cyprien 2.1), they didn't get a more frontline prospect... vaccaro was off the board, could have had reid (trade with SF netted reid), but i understand the need to strengthen interior OL, fredrick can play center or guard... and of course elam and cyprien were gone by next pick... didn't get outrage over center pick, thought he was unjustly maligned...
i'm not usually comfortable when pundits say a player would be there a round later... how do they know? if he was last OL they liked before a dropoff, they had to get him... maybe they reached a LITTLE, but it only takes one team to love a player, and if you get cute and try and trade down a few picks, another team might trade up and snipe you...
rams have done a lot of great things since 2012, but i thought they got cute after trading down with RGIII blockbuster (fine with that, obviously), trading down with cowboys so they could get claiborne and rams got brockers (brilliant, looks like future pro bowler, could be dominant and that weaponizes DEs long and quinn)... but than they traded down a few spots in mid-2nd, got an extra 5th (or 4th?) which i think they used on guard rokevious watkins... who didn't meet weight guidelines and was released after just one season - OOF... they reportedly would have taken bobby wagner or mychal kendricks, assuming they would be there few picks later, and they were both gone, so they had to settle for pead, who hasn't exactly set league on fire, and has been outplayed by 7th rounder richardson? again, on balance, i love what STL (ie - fisher and snead) have done, the risk taking and trading down has already reaped fantastic dividends, but that is the dark side, gambling is called gambling for a reason, and sometimes you lose players you wanted... wagner would have played WLB with laurinaitis, but he looks like one of best young LBs in league after kuechly and with lavonte david (rams could have gotten him instead of pead, as well, but i think fisher prefers bigger LBs)... but i digress...
terrance williams also very interesting, austin said he thinks this is his last year, but he has been hurt a lot and maybe that was lack of confidence speaking... i think he is signed through 2014 (?), but makes a lot (WR1 money, which he was at time, before being passed by surging bryant, who in second half of 2012 had better production than even calvin johnson) and has been hurt, played much better in breakout 2009 and 2010 than injury-marred 2011-2012... is the consensus that if austin improbably stays healthy all year and plays well (top 20 at position, bryant now clear WR1), he could be retained next season? perhaps it is contingent on williams play, who started slow reportedly, but is said to be looking really good lately...
he went to same school as RGIII, kendall wright and josh gordon (only for one season?), and put up better numbers than wright or gordon... led nation with 1,800+ receiving yards... he has been called limited and one dimensional, but perhaps can be coached up to become more well rounded and complete WR in time... and his deep threat skill set dovetails nicely with romo's deep touch and accuracy...
not talked about much lately (out of sight, out of mind), but if spencer can return to form quickly after returning from knee injury, he will be highly motivated in contract year (not sure if he is in DAL in 2014?), i thought he actually outperformed ware in second half of 2012 (in fairness, ware is a warrior and was banged up but gutted it out), and could be real key to defense (and by implication, the season)... key, fundamental tenet of tampa bay cover two is generating pressure from DL and not resorting to blitzes, leaving back seven to run to ball in run support and maintain designated zones in pass defense... apart from ware, cowboys don't have anybody else on roster than can bring heat like spencer if healthy...
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Wow, no mention of Sean Lee's 6 year extension?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Hope he stays healthy.
So, Doug Free at guard now, eh? What is this, 10 guys they've worked out at the position. ####### Jerry.
Romo better have worked out with Usain Bolt this offseason. Otherwise, this is shaping up to be a disaster.
DevilDog919
Footballguy
And some guys, not sure if you were one of them or not, was pretty upset that we passed on DT Floyd and traded down to get Frederick. Just think what our Oline would look like right about now if Frederick weren't on the team, not nearly as bad as our Dline looks right now without Floyd.
I love the Lee signing. From the sounds of it the contract has language that saves the Cowboys a bunch if Lee remains injury prone, shows his character to allow that in the contract and to sign now, rather than to play out this season and show what he can do. I think the Cowboys saved themselves by locking him up now, and have one of the top ILB's in the game secured for his prime years. Love it!
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Floyd in the 1st
Frederick in the 2nd
Duh
Frederick in the 1st...Glad we got him, sure, but not at the opportunity cost lost elsewhere. Escobar in the 2nd...completely unbelievable selection. Could have taken Floyd, gotten Frederick, and we ace this draft.
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CowboyFan
Footballguy
There is no guarantee that Frederick would have been there in the 2nd round. Jerry has gotten too cute in other drafts trading down and lost out on players they wanted. I'll stand behind that as a quality pick.cobalt_27 said:
Escobar is one that I'll agree is questionable, too many other needs and available players that could have stepped in and helped this year.
Good value on the Lee contract!!! Only gets full amount if he plays 80% of snaps, here's to hoping he gets every dollar
BTW, when has a Cowboys thread been stuck on one page for so long, since June 3 on page 12??? I'll take the glass is half-full attitude that the 'boys are taking care of business and staying out of the news.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I'll take the glass is 3/4 empty approach and suggest that it's the result that we've seen this all play out before. Just waiting for the inevitable collapse. Not even sure there will be disappointment, which would presuppose hope.There is no guarantee that Frederick would have been there in the 2nd round. Jerry has gotten too cute in other drafts trading down and lost out on players they wanted. I'll stand behind that as a quality pick.cobalt_27 said:
Escobar is one that I'll agree is questionable, too many other needs and available players that could have stepped in and helped this year.
Good value on the Lee contract!!! Only gets full amount if he plays 80% of snaps, here's to hoping he gets every dollar
BTW, when has a Cowboys thread been stuck on one page for so long, since June 3 on page 12??? I'll take the glass is half-full attitude that the 'boys are taking care of business and staying out of the news.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Wow, Cobalt, you are really really down. Not sure what else is going on with you, but I hope it works its way out.
To suggest Fred would haev been available at the 2nd round pick his highly speculative at best. I beleive I posted that Tennessee would have taken him at 34 and got that info from a couple different sources. To assume that this info isnt correct and that no other team would have taken him before Dallas' 2nd pick is just fools gold.
As for if he is/was worth pick 31, it seems that all reports out of camp and preseason have shown him to be mature beyond his years and solid at the point of attack. A guy, indeed, well worth pick 31.
I personally think this OL and this team may be materially improved. A solid year from Fred in the middle, and there is ample reason to expect this, and you've already got a material upgrade. Tyron Smith was dealing with major off field issues last year and those have been resolved. Doug Free has always done much better in year 2 under a coach and all reports are that he's been much improved over a year ago. Ron Leary, when healthy, appeared to be an upgrade over Livings. It seems reasonable that he'll return by week 3 at the latest and possibly by week 1. So this is 4 of 5 positions that are likely to be improved over last year.
Not to mention the improvement of Dez. And the improved health of Austin's hamstrings. And Witten not having a busted spleen. If you want to be negative about all these things, then its your perogative.
I will grant you that I'm not enthralled with the Escobar pick. Either then or now. That said, he apparently has shown significant upside as a passcatcher and will likely blossom with work on strength and blocking. But I sure would not have objected to a Larry Warford in round 2 instead, a guy that might have solidified the line for a few years.
To suggest Fred would haev been available at the 2nd round pick his highly speculative at best. I beleive I posted that Tennessee would have taken him at 34 and got that info from a couple different sources. To assume that this info isnt correct and that no other team would have taken him before Dallas' 2nd pick is just fools gold.
As for if he is/was worth pick 31, it seems that all reports out of camp and preseason have shown him to be mature beyond his years and solid at the point of attack. A guy, indeed, well worth pick 31.
I personally think this OL and this team may be materially improved. A solid year from Fred in the middle, and there is ample reason to expect this, and you've already got a material upgrade. Tyron Smith was dealing with major off field issues last year and those have been resolved. Doug Free has always done much better in year 2 under a coach and all reports are that he's been much improved over a year ago. Ron Leary, when healthy, appeared to be an upgrade over Livings. It seems reasonable that he'll return by week 3 at the latest and possibly by week 1. So this is 4 of 5 positions that are likely to be improved over last year.
Not to mention the improvement of Dez. And the improved health of Austin's hamstrings. And Witten not having a busted spleen. If you want to be negative about all these things, then its your perogative.
I will grant you that I'm not enthralled with the Escobar pick. Either then or now. That said, he apparently has shown significant upside as a passcatcher and will likely blossom with work on strength and blocking. But I sure would not have objected to a Larry Warford in round 2 instead, a guy that might have solidified the line for a few years.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
NO way! How original of you!I'll take the glass is 3/4 empty approach and suggest that it's the result that we've seen this all play out before. Just waiting for the inevitable collapse. Not even sure there will be disappointment, which would presuppose hope.There is no guarantee that Frederick would have been there in the 2nd round. Jerry has gotten too cute in other drafts trading down and lost out on players they wanted. I'll stand behind that as a quality pick.cobalt_27 said:
Escobar is one that I'll agree is questionable, too many other needs and available players that could have stepped in and helped this year.
Good value on the Lee contract!!! Only gets full amount if he plays 80% of snaps, here's to hoping he gets every dollar
BTW, when has a Cowboys thread been stuck on one page for so long, since June 3 on page 12??? I'll take the glass is half-full attitude that the 'boys are taking care of business and staying out of the news.
