*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (2 Viewers)

[Insein]

@GeoffMosherCSN: Need more proof #Eagles are switching to a 3-4? They told OLB/DE Mike Buchanan that he'd fit their scheme. The story: http://t.co/VNGrL3jk

To be honest, if there was ever a time to just blow up the defense and start from scratch, this is it. I'd probably just trade the pieces that wouldn't work out in a 3-4 (Trent Cole, Ryans) and try to get more picks.

If Chip's looking to change the whole look and scheme of both the offense and defense, bite the bullet and do it in one fell swoop. There's realy no expectations this year and he should get at least a one year grace period from Lurie at least if not the fans too. Start getting the pieces in place and learning for a year or two from now. Trade guys that don't fit for picks or young guys with potential. See how everyone performs while we stink for a year (hopefully with a few bright spots). Load up again next draft with another high draft spot and go from there.

Plus if you're going to suck, do it in year 1 and go for a top 5 pick again next year. Manziel will be there.

 

[Insein]

Steve Spagnuolo was fired from NO.

He was once a highly regarded DC in this league. I don't know how much is him and how much is the situation that happened. I think an interview at least would be in order unless Kelly is fully committed to going 3-4.

 

[Awful Waffle]

I know the pieces he had in New Orelans weren't great, but I can't be happy about a guy whose defense gave up 7,000 yards being our new DC. Positional coach? Sure.

 

[Insein]

I know the pieces he had in New Orelans weren't great, but I can't be happy about a guy whose defense gave up 7,000 yards being our new DC. Positional coach? Sure.

Funny how a season can change that. Last year we all but demanded he be our DC instead of Juan. Yet Castillo's defense probably would have been in the top 15 had he stayed while Spags was dead last.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Steve Spagnuolo was fired from NO. He was once a highly regarded DC in this league. I don't know how much is him and how much is the situation that happened. I think an interview at least would be in order unless Kelly is fully committed to going 3-4.

He shouldnt get another DC job so soon IMO. When you are a part of having the worst defense in NFL history I think teams would be a little reluctant to give you the same position a year later. I'd love for him to be a part of the staff in some capacity though.

 

[Please See Mine]

He was great as DC in New York. Certainly had great talent there, of course.I think he is worth considering.

 

[Lehigh98]

Get psyched for Pat Shurmur fellas...

From "Thank You, Coaches, Looking back on a season of heroic ineptitude and occasional brilliance from the keepers of the red challenge flags"

Worst Coach of 2012

Pat Shurmur, Cleveland Browns

It's not that Shurmur made one bad decision in one particular aspect of the game in 2012; it's that he made obviously wrong calls in so many different spots. He failed to go for two up 15-10 in the fourth quarter in Week 1 and it cost him the game in a 17-16 loss. He used a timeout before punting on fourth-and-1 from the Indianapolis 41-yard line with 6:38 left in a close game and ended up having to go for it on fourth-and-6 later on. He called nine pass plays on third/fourth-and-short in one Ravens game alone.

If Shurmur had developed his young talent into successful players, you would excuse his play-calling blunders. Instead, Shurmur failed to develop either Colt McCoy or Brandon Weeden into anything resembling an NFL-caliber starter, ran an injured Trent Richardson into the line for no gain for most of the season, and left the Cleveland organization with a lot of young players who have failed to reach anything resembling their potential. Bizarrely, he was hired by Chip Kelly to serve as Philadelphia's new offensive coordinator, a role that thankfully is unlikely to include play-calling duties. You have to assume that the Eagles are hoping whatever skills Shurmur showed in St. Louis coaching Sam Bradford come out again with Nick Foles in Philadelphia. It's possible that Shurmur could be a better offensive coordinator than a head coach, but only because it's hard to imagine anybody being a worse head coach.

Most Useless Challenge of the Year

Pat Shurmur, Cleveland Browns

Since that last award was basically impossible to give to anyone but Schwartz for his colossal blunder, the award committee felt it was necessary to hand out a second trophy for non-rule-breaking challenges. That one goes to Pat Shurmur, who might not want to get too comfortable, since he is probably going to make a few walks to the podium during this ceremony.

In the first quarter of Cleveland's Week 8 tilt against the Chargers, Shurmur threw his flag on what could not have been a more meaningless play. On the first play of a San Diego drive from their own 18-yard line, the Chargers picked up six yards on a pass to Robert Meachem. Shurmur saw something on replay and decided to throw his challenge flag. The play was overturned, turning an insurmountable second-and-4 into a dominant position of second-and-10. With about 46 minutes of challengeable action left to go, it's hard to figure that Shurmur got good value for one of his two opportunities to throw the challenge flag without worrying about losing the flag for the rest of the game. As I wrote at the time, "It's like being granted two wishes and using one of them to have a genie take out the trash for you."

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Get psyched for Pat Shurmur fellas...

From "Thank You, Coaches, Looking back on a season of heroic ineptitude and occasional brilliance from the keepers of the red challenge flags"

Worst Coach of 2012

Pat Shurmur, Cleveland Browns

It's not that Shurmur made one bad decision in one particular aspect of the game in 2012; it's that he made obviously wrong calls in so many different spots. He failed to go for two up 15-10 in the fourth quarter in Week 1 and it cost him the game in a 17-16 loss. He used a timeout before punting on fourth-and-1 from the Indianapolis 41-yard line with 6:38 left in a close game and ended up having to go for it on fourth-and-6 later on. He called nine pass plays on third/fourth-and-short in one Ravens game alone.

If Shurmur had developed his young talent into successful players, you would excuse his play-calling blunders. Instead, Shurmur failed to develop either Colt McCoy or Brandon Weeden into anything resembling an NFL-caliber starter, ran an injured Trent Richardson into the line for no gain for most of the season, and left the Cleveland organization with a lot of young players who have failed to reach anything resembling their potential. Bizarrely, he was hired by Chip Kelly to serve as Philadelphia's new offensive coordinator, a role that thankfully is unlikely to include play-calling duties. You have to assume that the Eagles are hoping whatever skills Shurmur showed in St. Louis coaching Sam Bradford come out again with Nick Foles in Philadelphia. It's possible that Shurmur could be a better offensive coordinator than a head coach, but only because it's hard to imagine anybody being a worse head coach.

Most Useless Challenge of the Year

Pat Shurmur, Cleveland Browns

Since that last award was basically impossible to give to anyone but Schwartz for his colossal blunder, the award committee felt it was necessary to hand out a second trophy for non-rule-breaking challenges. That one goes to Pat Shurmur, who might not want to get too comfortable, since he is probably going to make a few walks to the podium during this ceremony.

In the first quarter of Cleveland's Week 8 tilt against the Chargers, Shurmur threw his flag on what could not have been a more meaningless play. On the first play of a San Diego drive from their own 18-yard line, the Chargers picked up six yards on a pass to Robert Meachem. Shurmur saw something on replay and decided to throw his challenge flag. The play was overturned, turning an insurmountable second-and-4 into a dominant position of second-and-10. With about 46 minutes of challengeable action left to go, it's hard to figure that Shurmur got good value for one of his two opportunities to throw the challenge flag without worrying about losing the flag for the rest of the game. As I wrote at the time, "It's like being granted two wishes and using one of them to have a genie take out the trash for you."

Sooooo, you're saying he shouldn't be our HC?

 

[Jason Wood]

Steve Spagnuolo was fired from NO. He was once a highly regarded DC in this league. I don't know how much is him and how much is the situation that happened. I think an interview at least would be in order unless Kelly is fully committed to going 3-4.

Spags has a LOT to prove at this point, after uninspired runs as the defensive architect in St. Louis and now New Orleans. Plus, it's another guy from the Reid tree and to me Kelly is better building his own loyal, hard working staff of assistants. Spags is a young, former NFL head coach, who spurned Philly to go to New Orleans (Reid called him personally and lobbied for him to return to Philly instead), and he's no doubt got his eyes on another head coaching opportunity. I want guys who will be likely to be part of this staff for at least a few years even if we have early success.

 

[delusional]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

 

[Nagle2998]

I don't really care what position they go in the draft since as many have said its a rebuilding year so I think you take the best players available regardless of position. I don't care if they go with Curtis Marsh and Boykin at CB if they use free agency and the draft to improve other position that will benefit them in the long run. With a rebuilding team you have more then one year to fill all the position and IMO this team has a few areas that need improving.

 

[Insein]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

Frankly, I'm tired of hoping the 2nd or 3rd works out. I'd much rather stay at 4 and land a stud. We pick high enough in the 2nd round as it is.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@howardeskin: @caplannfl @ThomasOLeary8 Adam.think u r correct gd chance #eagles will hve a base 3-4 D but I now hear the eag will not hire Donatell as DC

 

[Insein]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

Frankly, I'm tired of hoping the 2nd or 3rd works out. I'd much rather stay at 4 and land a stud. We pick high enough in the 2nd round as it is.

If Joeckel is there, take him at 4. If he's not, move back a couple spots and take Fisher at 6-10. Of course my plan is tackle in the first round, DB in the second. Maybe a QB in the 3rd if a guy like Nassib is there but I doubt he will be.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

Frankly, I'm tired of hoping the 2nd or 3rd works out. I'd much rather stay at 4 and land a stud. We pick high enough in the 2nd round as it is.

If Joeckel is there, take him at 4. If he's not, move back a couple spots and take Fisher at 6-10. Of course my plan is tackle in the first round, DB in the second. Maybe a QB in the 3rd if a guy like Nassib is there but I doubt he will be.

I'm not hell bent on a OT. If Joeckel isn't there then get Star, Jarvis Jones or Werner. If Star is everything they say he is and we do go to a 3-4, then he's a must of there IMO.

 

[Insein]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

Frankly, I'm tired of hoping the 2nd or 3rd works out. I'd much rather stay at 4 and land a stud. We pick high enough in the 2nd round as it is.

If Joeckel is there, take him at 4. If he's not, move back a couple spots and take Fisher at 6-10. Of course my plan is tackle in the first round, DB in the second. Maybe a QB in the 3rd if a guy like Nassib is there but I doubt he will be.

I'm not hell bent on a OT. If Joeckel isn't there then get Star, Jarvis Jones or Werner. If Star is everything they say he is and we do go to a 3-4, then he's a must of there IMO.

Again just my opinion. I feel like you can find defensive players in later rounds but a stud tackle, you know a perennial pro bowl guy, is only really had in the top 10. To me a stud tackle is so much more valuable to an offense like Kelly's because he will keep the QB upright for a second or two longer.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

Frankly, I'm tired of hoping the 2nd or 3rd works out. I'd much rather stay at 4 and land a stud. We pick high enough in the 2nd round as it is.

If Joeckel is there, take him at 4. If he's not, move back a couple spots and take Fisher at 6-10. Of course my plan is tackle in the first round, DB in the second. Maybe a QB in the 3rd if a guy like Nassib is there but I doubt he will be.

I'm not hell bent on a OT. If Joeckel isn't there then get Star, Jarvis Jones or Werner. If Star is everything they say he is and we do go to a 3-4, then he's a must of there IMO.

Again just my opinion. I feel like you can find defensive players in later rounds but a stud tackle, you know a perennial pro bowl guy, is only really had in the top 10. To me a stud tackle is so much more valuable to an offense like Kelly's because he will keep the QB upright for a second or two longer.

Is Joeckel really a stud LT though. From all the scouting reports I'm reading they are saying he'll be solid, not spectacular. More of a Tra Thomas and not a Jason Peters. At this point, I'd rather go get a stud at another position and take a gamble that Peters will return to form.

 

[Bankerguy]

Cowboys fan coming in peace...I know it's early in the draft process and things will change right up until draft day. However, as an outsider I could totally see the Eagles looking to trade down. There is a possibility of teams wanting to move up to grab Joekel for instance. You guys could drop a few spots for and gain a 2nd+3rd. Still get a great player early and gain picks. With you going to a 3-4 and installing a totally new offensive scheme, getting as many picks as possible are in your best interest imo.Should be interesting.

 

[Slider]

Fisher may go over Joeckel come April. Either one works at 4.

 

[jasvic]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

Frankly, I'm tired of hoping the 2nd or 3rd works out. I'd much rather stay at 4 and land a stud. We pick high enough in the 2nd round as it is.

If Joeckel is there, take him at 4. If he's not, move back a couple spots and take Fisher at 6-10. Of course my plan is tackle in the first round, DB in the second. Maybe a QB in the 3rd if a guy like Nassib is there but I doubt he will be.

I'm not hell bent on a OT. If Joeckel isn't there then get Star, Jarvis Jones or Werner. If Star is everything they say he is and we do go to a 3-4, then he's a must of there IMO.

Again just my opinion. I feel like you can find defensive players in later rounds but a stud tackle, you know a perennial pro bowl guy, is only really had in the top 10. To me a stud tackle is so much more valuable to an offense like Kelly's because he will keep the QB upright for a second or two longer.

Is Joeckel really a stud LT though. From all the scouting reports I'm reading they are saying he'll be solid, not spectacular. More of a Tra Thomas and not a Jason Peters. At this point, I'd rather go get a stud at another position and take a gamble that Peters will return to form.

Personally, I'm not too worried about Peters. I figure even if he loses a little something from the injury, he's still a good starting tackle and head and shoulders better than anything they trotted out last season. I want someone to replace Herremans and move him back inside where he belongs. That move alone would solidify the line and they can start focusing on rebuilding the defense.

 

[scratcher]

If we're converting to 3-4, the one glaring hole is a big fat guy. I guess you could grab any big fat guy but why not grab the best big fat guy in Star. He could anchor that line for years.You're welcome for the in-depth analysis.

 

[Nagle2998]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

Frankly, I'm tired of hoping the 2nd or 3rd works out. I'd much rather stay at 4 and land a stud. We pick high enough in the 2nd round as it is.

If Joeckel is there, take him at 4. If he's not, move back a couple spots and take Fisher at 6-10. Of course my plan is tackle in the first round, DB in the second. Maybe a QB in the 3rd if a guy like Nassib is there but I doubt he will be.

I'm not hell bent on a OT. If Joeckel isn't there then get Star, Jarvis Jones or Werner. If Star is everything they say he is and we do go to a 3-4, then he's a must of there IMO.

Again just my opinion. I feel like you can find defensive players in later rounds but a stud tackle, you know a perennial pro bowl guy, is only really had in the top 10. To me a stud tackle is so much more valuable to an offense like Kelly's because he will keep the QB upright for a second or two longer.

Certain positions are very hard to judge by fans because we dont see every team every week and the cameras don't focus on lineman the way they do a DE or RB so I went and looked up who the experts say are the best OT in football. In the top ten coming into 2012 there were 4 guys who were first round picks and two guys who went undrafted so I don't believe its any easier or harder to get a LT later then it is a stud DE or another position. Another thing is I heard Kelly's offense doesn't rely on stud lineman just quick smart ones like Mudds offense did. The last thing is why is LT a huge need do people really think Peters wont still be a very good lineman this isnt 10 years ago when one injury killed a player for life. Now if the plan is to move Herremans back to RG which is what I would do I think getting a RT in free agency like Andre Smith or Volltemer is the way I would go. I will continue to say take best available it will work out much better then focusing on a position of need and working around filling that position.

 

[babydemon90]

They need to go BPA for all their picks. If Joeckel is it, great. Otherwise, get whoever is the highest rated. Reaching for needs is how you end up with Blaine Gabbert on your roster.

 

[Insein]

I like Fisher. I thought he would have been a mid to end of the 1st round pick for some team. If Joeckel is off the board I could see them moving down in the draft and gunning for Fisher. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all because more then likely they would pick up a 2nd in the process and maybe a 2014 pick. Having a good weekend helped his stock if people have him and Joeck as a 1a 1b type OT.

I don't think you can move too far back for Fisher. He's probably going in the 8-15 range, so moving back to the 6-10 area might be all they can do. Still if it nets you an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder this year, why not. Either way, I think tackle is a must.

Frankly, I'm tired of hoping the 2nd or 3rd works out. I'd much rather stay at 4 and land a stud. We pick high enough in the 2nd round as it is.

If Joeckel is there, take him at 4. If he's not, move back a couple spots and take Fisher at 6-10. Of course my plan is tackle in the first round, DB in the second. Maybe a QB in the 3rd if a guy like Nassib is there but I doubt he will be.

I'm not hell bent on a OT. If Joeckel isn't there then get Star, Jarvis Jones or Werner. If Star is everything they say he is and we do go to a 3-4, then he's a must of there IMO.

Again just my opinion. I feel like you can find defensive players in later rounds but a stud tackle, you know a perennial pro bowl guy, is only really had in the top 10. To me a stud tackle is so much more valuable to an offense like Kelly's because he will keep the QB upright for a second or two longer.

Certain positions are very hard to judge by fans because we dont see every team every week and the cameras don't focus on lineman the way they do a DE or RB so I went and looked up who the experts say are the best OT in football. In the top ten coming into 2012 there were 4 guys who were first round picks and two guys who went undrafted so I don't believe its any easier or harder to get a LT later then it is a stud DE or another position. Another thing is I heard Kelly's offense doesn't rely on stud lineman just quick smart ones like Mudds offense did. The last thing is why is LT a huge need do people really think Peters wont still be a very good lineman this isnt 10 years ago when one injury killed a player for life. Now if the plan is to move Herremans back to RG which is what I would do I think getting a RT in free agency like Andre Smith or Volltemer is the way I would go. I will continue to say take best available it will work out much better then focusing on a position of need and working around filling that position.

This is all predicated on Peters coming back. I want Joeckel or Fisher to play RT with Peters at LT. That does move Herremans back to RG where he excelled and to me makes our oline solid for a number of years barring injury. Then we can build everything else once we have the oline in place. I agree that we should go best available but I'm not sold on Jarvis or Star. People are talking Millner as well and I'd be ok if they found a way to move Nnamdi and DRC. Boykin-Millner tandem could be good. Still need a safety though.

 

[Slider]

Herreman was LG

 

[Awful Waffle]

But do you really want to replace Evan Mathis? Peters and Mathis were great in 2011.

They need to go BPA for all their picks. If Joeckel is it, great. Otherwise, get whoever is the highest rated. Reaching for needs is how you end up with Blaine Gabbert on your roster.

Or Danny Watkins and Jaiquawn Jarrett.

 

[Insein]

Herreman was LG

Before Mathis got here.

 

[delusional]

If Peters injury wasn't as serious as it was, I would be fine with them taking that stud DT. Well not fine but I could see it. This isn't the case though. I just fail to see how they can not go OT here after the problems with the oline the past 3 seasons ( getting progressively worse too ). I don't like doing big block quoting but yes, Joeckel is that much of a stud this year. He is pretty much be described as that franchise type OT. The funny thing is his pass blocking is more developed then his run blocking but he is pretty agile on his feet. Usually it is the other way around. Fisher is good too, don't get me wrong but I think Joeckel is on another level. If Matthews came out ( the other OT at A&M ) I would have had1.Joeckel2a.Matthews2b.Fisherin terms of OT ranking. It makes sense for them to go OT. Peters injury which we discussed. Herremans injury too, he has been beat up pretty bad the past few seasons and him at OT is a downgrade compared to him at OG. Is anyone secure with Dunlap or Kelly at either tackle spot? No. I always felt that if you can not protect the QB, you can't win. Sure a stud DT would be great but the league is changing alot. You don't need a dominate D anymore, you can get by with an average/above average D as long as you have a high ceiling offense. Which is pretty much becoming the defense now. ( due to the league rule changes favoring the offense ). So give me that franchise tackle. Look to next draft if you are interested in a QB ( stronger class ).

 

[Slider]

Herreman was LG

Before Mathis got here.

Ya you said RG.

 

[Insein]

Herreman was LG

Before Mathis got here.

Ya you said RG.

yea but the point remains the same. He played guard well because its his natural position. Move him to RG instead of RT if we get Joeckel or Fisher.

 

[Insein]

If Peters injury wasn't as serious as it was, I would be fine with them taking that stud DT. Well not fine but I could see it. This isn't the case though. I just fail to see how they can not go OT here after the problems with the oline the past 3 seasons ( getting progressively worse too ). I don't like doing big block quoting but yes, Joeckel is that much of a stud this year. He is pretty much be described as that franchise type OT. The funny thing is his pass blocking is more developed then his run blocking but he is pretty agile on his feet. Usually it is the other way around. Fisher is good too, don't get me wrong but I think Joeckel is on another level. If Matthews came out ( the other OT at A&M ) I would have had1.Joeckel2a.Matthews2b.Fisherin terms of OT ranking. It makes sense for them to go OT. Peters injury which we discussed. Herremans injury too, he has been beat up pretty bad the past few seasons and him at OT is a downgrade compared to him at OG. Is anyone secure with Dunlap or Kelly at either tackle spot? No. I always felt that if you can not protect the QB, you can't win. Sure a stud DT would be great but the league is changing alot. You don't need a dominate D anymore, you can get by with an average/above average D as long as you have a high ceiling offense. Which is pretty much becoming the defense now. ( due to the league rule changes favoring the offense ). So give me that franchise tackle. Look to next draft if you are interested in a QB ( stronger class ).

I agree. Side note, it's nice to have you as part of the conversation now that the Reid era is done. I'm not saying you weren't right on a lot of things during the last 4 years. Its just that anytime I'd see your name, I'd expect doom and gloom. Good to see you back to normal finally.

 

[Please See Mine]

Where does Cox fit in a 3-4?

 

[scratcher]

Where does Cox fit in a 3-4?

He would fit fine as DE.

 

[Wooderson]

If anybody follows McCoy on twitter lets just say it was not a good display last night between him and his sons mom. Just sad. Not football related. But Shady sure does not come off well.

 

[Wooderson]

On Deadspin if you care to see the crap.

 

[Nagle2998]

If Peters injury wasn't as serious as it was, I would be fine with them taking that stud DT. Well not fine but I could see it. This isn't the case though. I just fail to see how they can not go OT here after the problems with the oline the past 3 seasons ( getting progressively worse too ). I don't like doing big block quoting but yes, Joeckel is that much of a stud this year. He is pretty much be described as that franchise type OT. The funny thing is his pass blocking is more developed then his run blocking but he is pretty agile on his feet. Usually it is the other way around. Fisher is good too, don't get me wrong but I think Joeckel is on another level. If Matthews came out ( the other OT at A&M ) I would have had1.Joeckel2a.Matthews2b.Fisherin terms of OT ranking. It makes sense for them to go OT. Peters injury which we discussed. Herremans injury too, he has been beat up pretty bad the past few seasons and him at OT is a downgrade compared to him at OG. Is anyone secure with Dunlap or Kelly at either tackle spot? No. I always felt that if you can not protect the QB, you can't win. Sure a stud DT would be great but the league is changing alot. You don't need a dominate D anymore, you can get by with an average/above average D as long as you have a high ceiling offense. Which is pretty much becoming the defense now. ( due to the league rule changes favoring the offense ). So give me that franchise tackle. Look to next draft if you are interested in a QB ( stronger class ).

First you make some strong points but I think the fun of these boards are to have good debates if everyone agreed the boards would suck. So saying that I must have missed the part about Peters injury being discussed because all the reports I saw said he could have played this year IF the Eagles were in the playoff race. I like Joeckel a ton and wouldn't be at all against drafting him just don't think you have to in a rebuilding year. I do disagree about the defense not saying you cant win with an average defense but its much easier to win with a good defense then average offense unless you have a Brady. Just look at the SB this year plus the Steelers and Giants have won twice yet Brees and Rodgers only once. To me Brady/Belicheck is the exception to the defense rule but those two dont come around very often so I rather build a strong defense and hope the offense can get better then have it the other way around. I honestly think the secondary on this team needs more help then any other area but I dont like Millner at 4 but if they can move back and add a 2nd or 3rd and take Howie Long's son in the 2nd I'm fine with that.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

On Deadspin if you care to see the crap.

A link that adds some funny to it

 

[Insein]

On Deadspin if you care to see the crap.

A link that adds some funny to it

Why would anyone do this on facebook or twitter for all the world to see let alone a celebrity? People its called a phone. Use it.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just watched the highlights from SB XXXIX and with 1:48 remaining, down 3, with 2 timeouts W(hy)TF did we try an onsides kick?!?

 

[Insein]

Just watched the highlights from SB XXXIX and with 1:48 remaining, down 3, with 2 timeouts W(hy)TF did we try an onsides kick?!?

Why not? What do you lose? Field position?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just watched the highlights from SB XXXIX and with 1:48 remaining, down 3, with 2 timeouts W(hy)TF did we try an onsides kick?!?

Why not? What do you lose? Field position?

In a 3 point game 30 extra yards is huge. I'd much rather NE punted from their 20-30 then midfield.

 

[jasvic]

Just watched the highlights from SB XXXIX and with 1:48 remaining, down 3, with 2 timeouts W(hy)TF did we try an onsides kick?!?

Why not? What do you lose? Field position?

In a 3 point game 30 extra yards is huge. I'd much rather NE punted from their 20-30 then midfield.

But you get an extra chance to get the ball back. That's more important than 20-30 yards.

 

[Insein]

Just watched the highlights from SB XXXIX and with 1:48 remaining, down 3, with 2 timeouts W(hy)TF did we try an onsides kick?!?

Why not? What do you lose? Field position?

In a 3 point game 30 extra yards is huge. I'd much rather NE punted from their 20-30 then midfield.

But you get an extra chance to get the ball back. That's more important than 20-30 yards.

Exactly. Onsides kick may be your last shot at controlling the ability to get the ball back. I'd take that risk over 30 yards when you'll still only have about 45 secs left and no TOs.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just watched the highlights from SB XXXIX and with 1:48 remaining, down 3, with 2 timeouts W(hy)TF did we try an onsides kick?!?

Why not? What do you lose? Field position?

In a 3 point game 30 extra yards is huge. I'd much rather NE punted from their 20-30 then midfield.

But you get an extra chance to get the ball back. That's more important than 20-30 yards.

Exactly. Onsides kick may be your last shot at controlling the ability to get the ball back. I'd take that risk over 30 yards when you'll still only have about 45 secs left and no TOs.

30 yards in a 3 point game with no time outs is HUUUUUGE! Obviously our best chance at getting ball earlier would be to kick an onside kick, I'm not disputing that. With 1:48 and 2 timeouts you know in your best case scenario you get the ball with roughly 50 seconds and no timeouts. With that being said, where do you want the ball when down by 3? Your 20 or your 40 (maybe 50 depending on the PR)? At the time, I didn't realize how uncesaary of a risk Reid took there.

 

[Insein]

Just watched the highlights from SB XXXIX and with 1:48 remaining, down 3, with 2 timeouts W(hy)TF did we try an onsides kick?!?

Why not? What do you lose? Field position?

In a 3 point game 30 extra yards is huge. I'd much rather NE punted from their 20-30 then midfield.

But you get an extra chance to get the ball back. That's more important than 20-30 yards.

Exactly. Onsides kick may be your last shot at controlling the ability to get the ball back. I'd take that risk over 30 yards when you'll still only have about 45 secs left and no TOs.

30 yards in a 3 point game with no time outs is HUUUUUGE! Obviously our best chance at getting ball earlier would be to kick an onside kick, I'm not disputing that. With 1:48 and 2 timeouts you know in your best case scenario you get the ball with roughly 50 seconds and no timeouts. With that being said, where do you want the ball when down by 3? Your 20 or your 40 (maybe 50 depending on the PR)? At the time, I didn't realize how uncesaary of a risk Reid took there.

As I look at it, there's no guarantee I get the ball back with any realistic amount of time to do anything whether its at my own 20 or my own 40. There were many thing Reid did wrong in the SB. Not going to hurry up with 6 minutes left is one but kicking the onsides kick was the right call there. Not kicking the onsides kick was more of a risk because you have no control of getting the ball back. Best case scenario is that you manage to get a touchback, they go 3 and out after running the ball 3 times but that only leaves you with 45 seconds left after the punt if you don't try to return it, about 40 secs or less if you do and the ball on your own 30-40 yard line. McNabb would have had to drive the offense at least 30 yards for a makeable FG. I don't see them doing that in 40 seconds with no timeouts.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Todd Herremans to have foot surgery

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Here's a new name as DCRavensInsider: Hearing nothing concrete brewing yet for Ravens LBs coach Ted Monachino re: Eagles, but that could develop obviously. Well-respected coach

 

[delusional]

Todd Herremans to have foot surgery

This is why I am leaning towards Oline early. He has always had issues with his wheels and now he is having to get surgery? Ouch. That is something you will have to keep an eye on all season and have a more then average back up at G. Lets hope Chip can coach up Watkins.

 

[delusional]

If Peters injury wasn't as serious as it was, I would be fine with them taking that stud DT. Well not fine but I could see it. This isn't the case though. I just fail to see how they can not go OT here after the problems with the oline the past 3 seasons ( getting progressively worse too ). I don't like doing big block quoting but yes, Joeckel is that much of a stud this year. He is pretty much be described as that franchise type OT. The funny thing is his pass blocking is more developed then his run blocking but he is pretty agile on his feet. Usually it is the other way around. Fisher is good too, don't get me wrong but I think Joeckel is on another level. If Matthews came out ( the other OT at A&M ) I would have had1.Joeckel2a.Matthews2b.Fisherin terms of OT ranking. It makes sense for them to go OT. Peters injury which we discussed. Herremans injury too, he has been beat up pretty bad the past few seasons and him at OT is a downgrade compared to him at OG. Is anyone secure with Dunlap or Kelly at either tackle spot? No. I always felt that if you can not protect the QB, you can't win. Sure a stud DT would be great but the league is changing alot. You don't need a dominate D anymore, you can get by with an average/above average D as long as you have a high ceiling offense. Which is pretty much becoming the defense now. ( due to the league rule changes favoring the offense ). So give me that franchise tackle. Look to next draft if you are interested in a QB ( stronger class ).

I agree. Side note, it's nice to have you as part of the conversation now that the Reid era is done. I'm not saying you weren't right on a lot of things during the last 4 years. Its just that anytime I'd see your name, I'd expect doom and gloom. Good to see you back to normal finally.

Someone had to be the voice of reason lol. I am the same way with the Phillies. I am more doom and gloom with them though the past 2 seasons, they been trending down badly imho. Amaro is driving the franchise into the ground.@Nagle I don't believe for a second that Peters could have come back & play at the level needed if they made the playoffs. They did that with Jackson ( brought him back to early after injury, wasn't in football shape and got hurt again ). Whenever you have someone of Peters size screw up their achillies not once, but twice, its hard to expect him to come back 100% to how he was especially at his position where footwork is key. This is why I worry about him and herremans.