*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (2 Viewers)

[Polish Hammer]

Maybe this is similar to how Reid brought in Doug Pederson. If that's the case, I don't have a huge problem with it.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Dixon talks are heating up. I'm really hoping (assuming) this is for a backup role and he isn't Chip's idea of our starting qb. Seems like he's bringing a lot of familiar pieces from Oregon here.

I believe he's doing it to have some one who is familiar with his system. That way it helps the other guys to follow along. Chip seems like a smart guy. Bringing in guys he knows in year one will help everyone else acclimate better to the system. At least that's my belief. Could be completely wrong and we'll be the Philadelphia Ducks next season.

How many times to teams do this when they have a new regime come in? It's a lot. Also, last I checked Pittsburgh didn't run the read option either so more then likely Dixon was there because no one else that ran the system wanted him. It's January 30th, that's why this is news, IMHO

 

[JetMaxx]

Maybe this is similar to how Reid brought in Doug Pederson. If that's the case, I don't have a huge problem with it.

Beat me to it, no maybe about it as its exactly similar. As a pertinent aside, why aren't we talking GenoSmith as a possible draft target?

 

[Insein]

Maybe this is similar to how Reid brought in Doug Pederson. If that's the case, I don't have a huge problem with it.

Beat me to it, no maybe about it as its exactly similar. As a pertinent aside, why aren't we talking GenoSmith as a possible draft target?

Because I don't want to think he'll waste the high pick on a marginal QB talent. I would hope he would go for either OT or Defense at the #4. If Geno is there in the 2nd or 3rd (which he won't be) then I'd be fine with it.

 

[JAA]

Dixon talks are heating up. I'm really hoping (assuming) this is for a backup role and he isn't Chip's idea of our starting qb. Seems like he's bringing a lot of familiar pieces from Oregon here.

I believe he's doing it to have some one who is familiar with his system. That way it helps the other guys to follow along. Chip seems like a smart guy. Bringing in guys he knows in year one will help everyone else acclimate better to the system. At least that's my belief. Could be completely wrong and we'll be the Philadelphia Ducks next season.

this makes complete sense

 

[JAA]

Maybe this is similar to how Reid brought in Doug Pederson. If that's the case, I don't have a huge problem with it.

Beat me to it, no maybe about it as its exactly similar. As a pertinent aside, why aren't we talking GenoSmith as a possible draft target?

Because I don't want to think he'll waste the high pick on a marginal QB talent. I would hope he would go for either OT or Defense at the #4. If Geno is there in the 2nd or 3rd (which he won't be) then I'd be fine with it.

Im a huge homer, but have you watched Geno play at all? Did you watch him as a Freshman or Sophmore?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And we need to understand that Geno is NOT a running QB. To be honest the only reason he's talked about as a running QB is because he's black. The guy has like 100 rushing yards for his CAREER.

 

[Please See Mine]

And we need to understand that Geno is NOT a running QB. To be honest the only reason he's talked about as a running QB is because he's black. The guy has like 100 rushing yards for his CAREER.

Hey come on, now, he had a 1.4 rush ypc average for his career.He rushed for -33 yards in his Junior season.

 

[roarlions]

An evaluation of how the Eagles' current defensive personnel might fit into a 3-4 scheme:http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130131_Rich_Hofmann__Evaluating_Eagles__roster_in_3-4_defense.html

 

[JetMaxx]

Maybe this is similar to how Reid brought in Doug Pederson. If that's the case, I don't have a huge problem with it.

Beat me to it, no maybe about it as its exactly similar. As a pertinent aside, why aren't we talking GenoSmith as a possible draft target?

Because I don't want to think he'll waste the high pick on a marginal QB talent. I would hope he would go for either OT or Defense at the #4. If Geno is there in the 2nd or 3rd (which he won't be) then I'd be fine with it.

Im a huge homer, but have you watched Geno play at all? Did you watch him as a Freshman or Sophmore?

No I saw very little of him to be honest. I base my question on the fact in some circles he is seems to be highly regarded but he definitely didn't impress me in the NYC Bowl Game this year although it was in brutal conditions. I thought there was more there.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

An evaluation of how the Eagles' current defensive personnel might fit into a 3-4 scheme:http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130131_Rich_Hofmann__Evaluating_Eagles__roster_in_3-4_defense.html

Good article. Mostly stating what many of us already suspected, but it was nice to see it all broken down like that. It also broke down something else we already suspected: They need to hit Defense hard in the draft and FA. I know this draft is very deep at DT, so they can get one in the second. I also know that it's very shallow at OT and CB, also both needs.Breaking things down:QB: Willing to give Foles a chance. Not a priority now.RB: Fine here.WR: Fine here as well.TE: I'd actually towards FA to fill here. There's some above average ones available.OL: I'll just bunch this together. They need help everywhere, but the health of Peters might make things easier. People can move back to their natural positions. I still think OT is a priority.DT: Need one in they go 3-4. Absolute priority.DE: I actually think Cox and Graham can do ok here. Much more pressing needs than this IMO.ILB: Fine with what they have.OLB: Too many question marks here. Definitely a need position.Secondary: DRC will be back, but who else. Need MAJOR help here. Arguably more than OL IMO.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Dixon talks are heating up. I'm really hoping (assuming) this is for a backup role and he isn't Chip's idea of our starting qb. Seems like he's bringing a lot of familiar pieces from Oregon here.

I believe he's doing it to have some one who is familiar with his system. That way it helps the other guys to follow along. Chip seems like a smart guy. Bringing in guys he knows in year one will help everyone else acclimate better to the system. At least that's my belief. Could be completely wrong and we'll be the Philadelphia Ducks next season.

I would be ok with this. I really want to see Dixon come in and COMPETE for playing time. If nothing else he helps and/or pushes Foles.

 

[JAA]

Maybe this is similar to how Reid brought in Doug Pederson. If that's the case, I don't have a huge problem with it.

Beat me to it, no maybe about it as its exactly similar. As a pertinent aside, why aren't we talking GenoSmith as a possible draft target?

Because I don't want to think he'll waste the high pick on a marginal QB talent. I would hope he would go for either OT or Defense at the #4. If Geno is there in the 2nd or 3rd (which he won't be) then I'd be fine with it.

Im a huge homer, but have you watched Geno play at all? Did you watch him as a Freshman or Sophmore?

No I saw very little of him to be honest. I base my question on the fact in some circles he is seems to be highly regarded but he definitely didn't impress me in the NYC Bowl Game this year although it was in brutal conditions. I thought there was more there.

The game sucked. You need to watch more tape

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Dixon talks are heating up. I'm really hoping (assuming) this is for a backup role and he isn't Chip's idea of our starting qb. Seems like he's bringing a lot of familiar pieces from Oregon here.

I believe he's doing it to have some one who is familiar with his system. That way it helps the other guys to follow along. Chip seems like a smart guy. Bringing in guys he knows in year one will help everyone else acclimate better to the system. At least that's my belief. Could be completely wrong and we'll be the Philadelphia Ducks next season.

I would be ok with this. I really want to see Dixon come in and COMPETE for playing time. If nothing else he helps and/or pushes Foles.

Expectations need to be tempered with Dixon.He hasnt been in the "Kelly system" since 2007 and since then he's thrown a total of 59 passes. To be completly honest, at this point he's an arm for camp and a guy who won't make the team.

 

[Shane Falco]

An evaluation of how the Eagles' current defensive personnel might fit into a 3-4 scheme:http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130131_Rich_Hofmann__Evaluating_Eagles__roster_in_3-4_defense.html

Good article. Mostly stating what many of us already suspected, but it was nice to see it all broken down like that. It also broke down something else we already suspected: They need to hit Defense hard in the draft and FA. I know this draft is very deep at DT, so they can get one in the second. I also know that it's very shallow at OT and CB, also both needs.Breaking things down:QB: Willing to give Foles a chance. Not a priority now.RB: Fine here.WR: Fine here as well.TE: I'd actually towards FA to fill here. There's some above average ones available.OL: I'll just bunch this together. They need help everywhere, but the health of Peters might make things easier. People can move back to their natural positions. I still think OT is a priority.DT: Need one in they go 3-4. Absolute priority.DE: I actually think Cox and Graham can do ok here. Much more pressing needs than this IMO.ILB: Fine with what they have.OLB: Too many question marks here. Definitely a need position.Secondary: DRC will be back, but who else. Need MAJOR help here. Arguably more than OL IMO.

good analysis. Only thing I'll throw out is that Graham is an OLB in a 3-4 not a DE. He was projected as an OLB in the draft and mocked to Pitt by many. I think Jenkins goes back to his GB days and plays the 2nd DE. So besides a DT, 2nd OLB (Cole or Curry?), ILBs and 3/4 of the secondary the D looks solid

 

[Deranged Hermit]

An evaluation of how the Eagles' current defensive personnel might fit into a 3-4 scheme:http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130131_Rich_Hofmann__Evaluating_Eagles__roster_in_3-4_defense.html

Good article. Mostly stating what many of us already suspected, but it was nice to see it all broken down like that. It also broke down something else we already suspected: They need to hit Defense hard in the draft and FA. I know this draft is very deep at DT, so they can get one in the second. I also know that it's very shallow at OT and CB, also both needs.Breaking things down:QB: Willing to give Foles a chance. Not a priority now.RB: Fine here.WR: Fine here as well.TE: I'd actually towards FA to fill here. There's some above average ones available.OL: I'll just bunch this together. They need help everywhere, but the health of Peters might make things easier. People can move back to their natural positions. I still think OT is a priority.DT: Need one in they go 3-4. Absolute priority.DE: I actually think Cox and Graham can do ok here. Much more pressing needs than this IMO.ILB: Fine with what they have.OLB: Too many question marks here. Definitely a need position.Secondary: DRC will be back, but who else. Need MAJOR help here. Arguably more than OL IMO.

good analysis. Only thing I'll throw out is that Graham is an OLB in a 3-4 not a DE. He was projected as an OLB in the draft and mocked to Pitt by many. I think Jenkins goes back to his GB days and plays the 2nd DE. So besides a DT, 2nd OLB (Cole or Curry?), ILBs and 3/4 of the secondary the D looks solid

I've read about concerns about Graham's ability to cover, so I put him at DE. I think they really need to see what they can get for Cole and Aso (prob nothing), and add some picks to the coffers.Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Curry considered an OLB 3-4 prospect as well?

 

[Awful Waffle]

You can't completely overhaul a defense in a year unless you have a bunch of great pieces in place (see: SF). Especially if you change your scheme. We may get a nose tackle and I'm sure Cole/Curry/Graham will be given shots to play rush linebacker, but it might take a year or two to find our Aldon Smith. I'd definitely look for a nose (Lotulelei in RD 1, Jesse Williams in RD 2) and fix the secondary. I'd rather be strong at the line and in the secondary while having a questionable LB core as opposed to all three phases being average.EDIT: something like this would be awesome:RD 1: Star Lotulelei, NT (Utah)RD 2: Desmond Trufant, CB (Washington)RD 3: DJ Fluker, OT (Alabama)RD 4: Jonathan Cyprien, S (Florida International)

 

[Bigboy10182000]

An evaluation of how the Eagles' current defensive personnel might fit into a 3-4 scheme:http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130131_Rich_Hofmann__Evaluating_Eagles__roster_in_3-4_defense.html

Good article. Mostly stating what many of us already suspected, but it was nice to see it all broken down like that. It also broke down something else we already suspected: They need to hit Defense hard in the draft and FA. I know this draft is very deep at DT, so they can get one in the second. I also know that it's very shallow at OT and CB, also both needs.Breaking things down:QB: Willing to give Foles a chance. Not a priority now.RB: Fine here.WR: Fine here as well.TE: I'd actually towards FA to fill here. There's some above average ones available.OL: I'll just bunch this together. They need help everywhere, but the health of Peters might make things easier. People can move back to their natural positions. I still think OT is a priority.DT: Need one in they go 3-4. Absolute priority.DE: I actually think Cox and Graham can do ok here. Much more pressing needs than this IMO.ILB: Fine with what they have.OLB: Too many question marks here. Definitely a need position.Secondary: DRC will be back, but who else. Need MAJOR help here. Arguably more than OL IMO.

good analysis. Only thing I'll throw out is that Graham is an OLB in a 3-4 not a DE. He was projected as an OLB in the draft and mocked to Pitt by many. I think Jenkins goes back to his GB days and plays the 2nd DE. So besides a DT, 2nd OLB (Cole or Curry?), ILBs and 3/4 of the secondary the D looks solid

I've read about concerns about Graham's ability to cover, so I put him at DE. I think they really need to see what they can get for Cole and Aso (prob nothing), and add some picks to the coffers.Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Curry considered an OLB 3-4 prospect as well?

The concerns about any of the DE's we have covering are legit but that's to be expected at this point, IMO.They really need to deal any parts with value on the D like ColeVinnie Curry was supposed be a 3-4 OLB. This link from last year (prior to the draft) is pretty good.

 

[JaxBill]

You can't completely overhaul a defense in a year unless you have a bunch of great pieces in place (see: SF). Especially if you change your scheme. We may get a nose tackle and I'm sure Cole/Curry/Graham will be given shots to play rush linebacker, but it might take a year or two to find our Aldon Smith. I'd definitely look for a nose (Lotulelei in RD 1, Jesse Williams in RD 2) and fix the secondary. I'd rather be strong at the line and in the secondary while having a questionable LB core as opposed to all three phases being average.EDIT: something like this would be awesome:RD 1: Star Lotulelei, NT (Utah)RD 2: Desmond Trufant, CB (Washington)RD 3: DJ Fluker, OT (Alabama)RD 4: Jonathan Cyprien, S (Florida International)

I doubt Fluker lasts until the third round.

 

[need2know]

You can't completely overhaul a defense in a year unless you have a bunch of great pieces in place (see: SF). Especially if you change your scheme. We may get a nose tackle and I'm sure Cole/Curry/Graham will be given shots to play rush linebacker, but it might take a year or two to find our Aldon Smith. I'd definitely look for a nose (Lotulelei in RD 1, Jesse Williams in RD 2) and fix the secondary. I'd rather be strong at the line and in the secondary while having a questionable LB core as opposed to all three phases being average.EDIT: something like this would be awesome:RD 1: Star Lotulelei, NT (Utah)RD 2: Desmond Trufant, CB (Washington)RD 3: DJ Fluker, OT (Alabama)RD 4: Jonathan Cyprien, S (Florida International)

I doubt Fluker lasts until the third round.

About to post the same thing. He's going in round 1

 

[Bigboy10182000]

You can't completely overhaul a defense in a year unless you have a bunch of great pieces in place (see: SF). Especially if you change your scheme. We may get a nose tackle and I'm sure Cole/Curry/Graham will be given shots to play rush linebacker, but it might take a year or two to find our Aldon Smith. I'd definitely look for a nose (Lotulelei in RD 1, Jesse Williams in RD 2) and fix the secondary. I'd rather be strong at the line and in the secondary while having a questionable LB core as opposed to all three phases being average.EDIT: something like this would be awesome:RD 1: Star Lotulelei, NT (Utah)RD 2: Desmond Trufant, CB (Washington)RD 3: DJ Fluker, OT (Alabama)RD 4: Jonathan Cyprien, S (Florida International)

I doubt Fluker lasts until the third round.

About to post the same thing. He's going in round 1

If we need OL and a specifically a OT we should hit FA hard! The list of OT's that "could" hit FA is insane!

 

[Insein]

Maybe this is similar to how Reid brought in Doug Pederson. If that's the case, I don't have a huge problem with it.

Beat me to it, no maybe about it as its exactly similar. As a pertinent aside, why aren't we talking GenoSmith as a possible draft target?

Because I don't want to think he'll waste the high pick on a marginal QB talent. I would hope he would go for either OT or Defense at the #4. If Geno is there in the 2nd or 3rd (which he won't be) then I'd be fine with it.

Im a huge homer, but have you watched Geno play at all? Did you watch him as a Freshman or Sophmore?

Admittedly, I have not followed him as much as you have for sure. The few games I've seen have shown me that he's good in college but nothing that was spectacular. I defer to the experts on this one and what I read on the scouting reports. I just don't think spending the #4 pick on Geno is a good way to start a rebuilding process.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@howardeskin: ? I get asked most at #SuperBowl. Will #eagles keep @MikeVick after SB ? Yes. Eagles get back 3M roster payment from team who has him next

 

[Insein]

An evaluation of how the Eagles' current defensive personnel might fit into a 3-4 scheme:http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130131_Rich_Hofmann__Evaluating_Eagles__roster_in_3-4_defense.html

Good article. Mostly stating what many of us already suspected, but it was nice to see it all broken down like that. It also broke down something else we already suspected: They need to hit Defense hard in the draft and FA. I know this draft is very deep at DT, so they can get one in the second. I also know that it's very shallow at OT and CB, also both needs.Breaking things down:QB: Willing to give Foles a chance. Not a priority now.RB: Fine here.WR: Fine here as well.TE: I'd actually towards FA to fill here. There's some above average ones available.OL: I'll just bunch this together. They need help everywhere, but the health of Peters might make things easier. People can move back to their natural positions. I still think OT is a priority.DT: Need one in they go 3-4. Absolute priority.DE: I actually think Cox and Graham can do ok here. Much more pressing needs than this IMO.ILB: Fine with what they have.OLB: Too many question marks here. Definitely a need position.Secondary: DRC will be back, but who else. Need MAJOR help here. Arguably more than OL IMO.

good analysis. Only thing I'll throw out is that Graham is an OLB in a 3-4 not a DE. He was projected as an OLB in the draft and mocked to Pitt by many. I think Jenkins goes back to his GB days and plays the 2nd DE. So besides a DT, 2nd OLB (Cole or Curry?), ILBs and 3/4 of the secondary the D looks solid

I've read about concerns about Graham's ability to cover, so I put him at DE. I think they really need to see what they can get for Cole and Aso (prob nothing), and add some picks to the coffers.Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Curry considered an OLB 3-4 prospect as well?

Should be able to get something for Cole. He's still highly regarded around the league and has a couple years left in him. If you can get a 2nd or 3rd for him, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I just don't see him fitting in if Kelly is hellbent on a 3-4.

 

[Insein]

You can't completely overhaul a defense in a year unless you have a bunch of great pieces in place (see: SF). Especially if you change your scheme. We may get a nose tackle and I'm sure Cole/Curry/Graham will be given shots to play rush linebacker, but it might take a year or two to find our Aldon Smith. I'd definitely look for a nose (Lotulelei in RD 1, Jesse Williams in RD 2) and fix the secondary. I'd rather be strong at the line and in the secondary while having a questionable LB core as opposed to all three phases being average.EDIT: something like this would be awesome:RD 1: Star Lotulelei, NT (Utah)RD 2: Desmond Trufant, CB (Washington)RD 3: DJ Fluker, OT (Alabama)RD 4: Jonathan Cyprien, S (Florida International)

They have Fluker mocking in the late 1st right now. That's why I'd prefer to go OT at the top, and then DT or CB in the 2nd.

 

[Insein]

You can't completely overhaul a defense in a year unless you have a bunch of great pieces in place (see: SF). Especially if you change your scheme. We may get a nose tackle and I'm sure Cole/Curry/Graham will be given shots to play rush linebacker, but it might take a year or two to find our Aldon Smith. I'd definitely look for a nose (Lotulelei in RD 1, Jesse Williams in RD 2) and fix the secondary. I'd rather be strong at the line and in the secondary while having a questionable LB core as opposed to all three phases being average.EDIT: something like this would be awesome:RD 1: Star Lotulelei, NT (Utah)RD 2: Desmond Trufant, CB (Washington)RD 3: DJ Fluker, OT (Alabama)RD 4: Jonathan Cyprien, S (Florida International)

I doubt Fluker lasts until the third round.

About to post the same thing. He's going in round 1

If we need OL and a specifically a OT we should hit FA hard! The list of OT's that "could" hit FA is insane!

2013 Free Agent OLThere are certainly a few. My concern is that the top tackles make about $10mil or $11mil per year now. They'll command more this season because of it being such a huge need. With Peters already making about $8mil per year, that's a lot of money tied into 2 positions. Conversely, if Matt Kahlil's deal from last year is any indication, we can lock up a top young OT for about $5mil per year for around 4 years. Frees up more cap space elsewhere.

 

[Insein]

@howardeskin: ? I get asked most at #SuperBowl. Will #eagles keep @MikeVick after SB ? Yes. Eagles get back 3M roster payment from team who has him next

So when is the cut cut date and what if no one else picks him up? They just eat it? I really think he's gone by Wednesday.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

You can't completely overhaul a defense in a year unless you have a bunch of great pieces in place (see: SF). Especially if you change your scheme. We may get a nose tackle and I'm sure Cole/Curry/Graham will be given shots to play rush linebacker, but it might take a year or two to find our Aldon Smith. I'd definitely look for a nose (Lotulelei in RD 1, Jesse Williams in RD 2) and fix the secondary. I'd rather be strong at the line and in the secondary while having a questionable LB core as opposed to all three phases being average.EDIT: something like this would be awesome:RD 1: Star Lotulelei, NT (Utah)RD 2: Desmond Trufant, CB (Washington)RD 3: DJ Fluker, OT (Alabama)RD 4: Jonathan Cyprien, S (Florida International)

I doubt Fluker lasts until the third round.

About to post the same thing. He's going in round 1

If we need OL and a specifically a OT we should hit FA hard! The list of OT's that "could" hit FA is insane!

2013 Free Agent OLThere are certainly a few. My concern is that the top tackles make about $10mil or $11mil per year now. They'll command more this season because of it being such a huge need. With Peters already making about $8mil per year, that's a lot of money tied into 2 positions. Conversely, if Matt Kahlil's deal from last year is any indication, we can lock up a top young OT for about $5mil per year for around 4 years. Frees up more cap space elsewhere.

We seem to always have a ton of cap space. At this point id just rather have the 10 million dollar guy. I'd pay anything for Clady and move Peters to RT.

 

[Insein]

You can't completely overhaul a defense in a year unless you have a bunch of great pieces in place (see: SF). Especially if you change your scheme. We may get a nose tackle and I'm sure Cole/Curry/Graham will be given shots to play rush linebacker, but it might take a year or two to find our Aldon Smith. I'd definitely look for a nose (Lotulelei in RD 1, Jesse Williams in RD 2) and fix the secondary. I'd rather be strong at the line and in the secondary while having a questionable LB core as opposed to all three phases being average.EDIT: something like this would be awesome:RD 1: Star Lotulelei, NT (Utah)RD 2: Desmond Trufant, CB (Washington)RD 3: DJ Fluker, OT (Alabama)RD 4: Jonathan Cyprien, S (Florida International)

I doubt Fluker lasts until the third round.

About to post the same thing. He's going in round 1

If we need OL and a specifically a OT we should hit FA hard! The list of OT's that "could" hit FA is insane!

2013 Free Agent OLThere are certainly a few. My concern is that the top tackles make about $10mil or $11mil per year now. They'll command more this season because of it being such a huge need. With Peters already making about $8mil per year, that's a lot of money tied into 2 positions. Conversely, if Matt Kahlil's deal from last year is any indication, we can lock up a top young OT for about $5mil per year for around 4 years. Frees up more cap space elsewhere.

We seem to always have a ton of cap space. At this point id just rather have the 10 million dollar guy. I'd pay anything for Clady and move Peters to RT.

But I don't think it would be $10mil. Jake Long, Trent Williams and Joe Thomas all made $11mil per year in 2012. That means it's going to be at least $12mil per to get them as a starting point. No way they're taking less than that. Clady made $3.5 last year and is considered a top 5 guy at his position. He's going to command at least $12-15 mil per year for probably at least 5 years. Don't know if they'll commit $20 mil to basically one position in their eyes. I'm not saying that Clady or Long wouldn't be worth it. I'm just looking from a FO view on cost effectiveness. $22 million per year for 2 tackles means one or two less LBs or CBs.

 

[Awful Waffle]

You can't just keep fixing holes by signing top free agents. That's how we got where we are now. They need to build through the draft.

 

[Domination]

I might be the only one, but I want Millner. CB is a glaring need on this team, & if you look back at previous drafts you will see that the CBs taken in the Top 10 very rarely flop. Unlike other positions, the success rate is very high, & I would love a big CB as a cornerstone.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Dixon talks are heating up. I'm really hoping (assuming) this is for a backup role and he isn't Chip's idea of our starting qb. Seems like he's bringing a lot of familiar pieces from Oregon here.

I believe he's doing it to have some one who is familiar with his system. That way it helps the other guys to follow along. Chip seems like a smart guy. Bringing in guys he knows in year one will help everyone else acclimate better to the system. At least that's my belief. Could be completely wrong and we'll be the Philadelphia Ducks next season.

I would be ok with this. I really want to see Dixon come in and COMPETE for playing time. If nothing else he helps and/or pushes Foles.

Expectations need to be tempered with Dixon.He hasnt been in the "Kelly system" since 2007 and since then he's thrown a total of 59 passes. To be completly honest, at this point he's an arm for camp and a guy who won't make the team.

I dont think anyone expects him to start.

 

[Insein]

I might be the only one, but I want Millner. CB is a glaring need on this team, & if you look back at previous drafts you will see that the CBs taken in the Top 10 very rarely flop. Unlike other positions, the success rate is very high, & I would love a big CB as a cornerstone.

Looking at it, a lot of guys in the top 10 rarely flop except for RBs and QBs (Locker, Ponder, Gabbert, Leinart, Young, Russell). I'm good with either Joeckel, Milliner or Fisher. I'd be fine with Star but would feel a little apprehensive about it. I don't want Jarvis.

 

[Insein]

You can't just keep fixing holes by signing top free agents. That's how we got where we are now. They need to build through the draft.

A solid signing here and there is good. Just don't keep doing it. Runyan in 2000 was Andy's best FA signing by far. Anchored the line for 8 years. With him and Tra, it was the best era for an Eagles oline in the team's history. Obviously the more recent signings were about the glam and ultimately were the desperation of a man on his last legs. We already have Peters and if he's healthy, he's solid. I think adding through the draft is the way to go too because the cost keeps you competitive for many years to come provided the OT becomes a solid all-pro.

 

[DJackson10]

@howardeskin: ? I get asked most at #SuperBowl. Will #eagles keep @MikeVick after SB ? Yes. Eagles get back 3M roster payment from team who has him next

So when is the cut cut date and what if no one else picks him up? They just eat it? I really think he's gone by Wednesday.

They have wiggle room. They have until Mach 11th actually as the final day to let him go. I could see them at first keeping to see if they can get some picks for him this and next year (Stock up on more picks) and if they don't get anything good they will just let him go.

 

[Awful Waffle]

I don't understand why they'd need more time to evaluate Vick. It'd be one thing if he was playing at a high level and just had injury concerns. But that's not the case. Just get rid of him. He's not good and I really don't like the way he handled things after the season ended. He's been pretty good media wise outside of the dynasty thing, but it seemed like he was throwing some guys under the bus. Not that he was wrong, but you can't do that period. Especially as the QB.Also, in regards to Fluker not being there in round 3. Maybe you're right. Kyle Long is interesting if he's there. He's still a little raw but he's obviously got great bloodlines and I think the new HC might be familiar with him.

 

[DJackson10]

I see a lot of talk on here on Geno Smith. Personally I don't feel any QB in this draft is a difference Franchise maker. Given the weak class I'd like to see Foles given a chance for the year and if he doesn't cost much sign Alex Smith (I feel SF tags him then tries to trade him or trade him try to get something for him instead of him going free). The QB class here is very weak. I wouldn't draft even a project guy this year. On the Dennis Dixon I see him here as an extra body and to teach the guys some of the system Kelly may use and teach the guys Kelly's routine along with Casey Matthews who can teach the D the same thing since he was a Kelly guy. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few Oregon guys who are UDFA's and such get picked up here either.

 

[DJackson10]

I don't understand why they'd need more time to evaluate Vick. It'd be one thing if he was playing at a high level and just had injury concerns. But that's not the case. Just get rid of him. He's not good and I really don't like the way he handled things after the season ended. He's been pretty good media wise outside of the dynasty thing, but it seemed like he was throwing some guys under the bus. Not that he was wrong, but you can't do that period. Especially as the QB.Also, in regards to Fluker not being there in round 3. Maybe you're right. Kyle Long is interesting if he's there. He's still a little raw but he's obviously got great bloodlines and I think the new HC might be familiar with him.

Only reason I see keeping Vick is trying to get something for him. The deadline thing is confusing. Jeff McLane tweeted the other day the real deadline is March 11th.

 

[Insein]

I don't understand why they'd need more time to evaluate Vick. It'd be one thing if he was playing at a high level and just had injury concerns. But that's not the case. Just get rid of him. He's not good and I really don't like the way he handled things after the season ended. He's been pretty good media wise outside of the dynasty thing, but it seemed like he was throwing some guys under the bus. Not that he was wrong, but you can't do that period. Especially as the QB.Also, in regards to Fluker not being there in round 3. Maybe you're right. Kyle Long is interesting if he's there. He's still a little raw but he's obviously got great bloodlines and I think the new HC might be familiar with him.

May not be related at all situation wise by I'm leery of drafting less talented brothers of top talented players with a bloodline history. Casey ruined it for me.

 

[delusional]

Ok Chip Kelly is at the freaking wing bowl right now lol. Angelo Cataldi is interviewing him at the moment

 

[Bigboy10182000]

You can't just keep fixing holes by signing top free agents. That's how we got where we are now. They need to build through the draft.

They got there now by signing the wrong ones. I would liken this situation to when we grabbed Runyon then paired him with Tra. It's the best of both worlds (IMO) if you can land one of those FA OT's and then take the Best Defensive player at #4. Hopefully Werner falls or maybe they get Star, Jones, Moore or Millner etc. That will clear up more after the workouts and FA though

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I might be the only one, but I want Millner. CB is a glaring need on this team, & if you look back at previous drafts you will see that the CBs taken in the Top 10 very rarely flop. Unlike other positions, the success rate is very high, & I would love a big CB as a cornerstone.

I like him but any CB is only going to be as good as the pass rush. I wouldnt mind taking him at 4 but if they did I would hope that they already singed a NT and have a guy that can rush the passer.

 

[JetMaxx]

Anyone who thinks Clady or Long get to FA is nuts. As usual teams will be left to overpay for average players like Andre Smith.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone who thinks Clady or Long get to FA is nuts. As usual teams will be left to overpay for average players like Andre Smith.

FWIW people in Miami are already saying he's gone. Ill have to find the link but apparently he's not happy there and they don't like his cap number. As far as Clady I don't know what other FA's they have there to see if they would franchise anyone over him but you're right, he's more then likely staying. Anyone have the PFF rankings for the available OT's? I thought Andre Smith played well and if even like Vollmer. Both are RT's and would fit nicely IMO

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The 3-4....What & Why

Thought this was well done!

 

[Snotbubbles]

Anyone who thinks Clady or Long get to FA is nuts. As usual teams will be left to overpay for average players like Andre Smith.

FWIW people in Miami are already saying he's gone. Ill have to find the link but apparently he's not happy there and they don't like his cap number. As far as Clady I don't know what other FA's they have there to see if they would franchise anyone over him but you're right, he's more then likely staying. Anyone have the PFF rankings for the available OT's? I thought Andre Smith played well and if even like Vollmer. Both are RT's and would fit nicely IMO

Long will probably get to FA, but he's asking for a large sum of money (I think 10M per) and he's been having injury issues the past few years. If Miami lets him walk, I think that says something about his health.

 

[need2know]

Anyone who thinks Clady or Long get to FA is nuts. As usual teams will be left to overpay for average players like Andre Smith.

Smith would be our best tackle if we got him from FA. He's not great, but he's better than average and still young

 

[dhockster]

You can't just keep fixing holes by signing top free agents. That's how we got where we are now. They need to build through the draft.

A solid signing here and there is good. Just don't keep doing it. Runyan in 2000 was Andy's best FA signing by far. Anchored the line for 8 years. With him and Tra, it was the best era for an Eagles oline in the team's history. Obviously the more recent signings were about the glam and ultimately were the desperation of a man on his last legs. We already have Peters and if he's healthy, he's solid. I think adding through the draft is the way to go too because the cost keeps you competitive for many years to come provided the OT becomes a solid all-pro.

They also signed Troy Vincent to go along with Bobby Taylor. I don't think the impact of having solid to very good tackles and cornerbacks can be overstated for that Eagles team that was so consistently good from 2000-2004.You specifically target free agents to compliment your drafting strategy. You can't just build by the draft or free agency by themselves.

 

[need2know]

You can't just keep fixing holes by signing top free agents. That's how we got where we are now. They need to build through the draft.

A solid signing here and there is good. Just don't keep doing it. Runyan in 2000 was Andy's best FA signing by far. Anchored the line for 8 years. With him and Tra, it was the best era for an Eagles oline in the team's history. Obviously the more recent signings were about the glam and ultimately were the desperation of a man on his last legs. We already have Peters and if he's healthy, he's solid. I think adding through the draft is the way to go too because the cost keeps you competitive for many years to come provided the OT becomes a solid all-pro.

They also signed Troy Vincent to go along with Bobby Taylor. I don't think the impact of having solid to very good tackles and cornerbacks can be overstated for that Eagles team that was so consistently good from 2000-2004.You specifically target free agents to compliment your drafting strategy. You can't just build by the draft or free agency by themselves.

Yes. I think they need to get one of these FA tackles and draft one in the first round

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone who thinks Clady or Long get to FA is nuts. As usual teams will be left to overpay for average players like Andre Smith.

Smith would be our best tackle if we got him from FA. He's not great, but he's better than average and still young

And he gets Danny Watkins off of the field